Further to the thread about heroes where most people thought members of the armed forces were heroes, especially those serving overseas, I have just heard on the news about a soldier serving in Afghanistan who was refused a room in the Metro Hotel in Woking because he was a member of the armed forces!! He was home on leave and wanted to visit a friend who had been injured but when he produced his forces ID they refused him.
My thoughts? Utterly disgusting.
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It is probably standard company policy about groups of squaddies because when they have stayed in that chain before they have made a mess. (I know this because I was one and we were banned from everywhere, because my 'colleagues' would routinely tear apart hotels/b+b's, pubs, clubs etc when drinking)
The policy may not have specified groups and just labelled all squaddies. The 'fluff' about him visiting an injured mate and being injured himself is just that:- 'fluff'.
Disgusting? perhaps, but so is the crap that a small but expensive minority of squaddies cause on payday. I could tell you some stories but my lantern is on the blink and my sandbag has emptied.
The policy may not have specified groups and just labelled all squaddies. The 'fluff' about him visiting an injured mate and being injured himself is just that:- 'fluff'.
Disgusting? perhaps, but so is the crap that a small but expensive minority of squaddies cause on payday. I could tell you some stories but my lantern is on the blink and my sandbag has emptied.
Orgasminator
Splendid while I see the point of a ban on groups of guys generally, this person was in civvies, on his own and with a broken wrist. He asked to see a hotel manager and was refused as was asked to leave.
I for one will make a point of not using the metro hotels chain, nor the "big apple" entertainment centres run by the same company
I for one will make a point of not using the metro hotels chain, nor the "big apple" entertainment centres run by the same company
So does this make it ok to blanket ban groups of people because a minority of that group have caused problems before? On that premis I could therefore ban any black people if some had caused trouble in the past? Or ban Americans cause I met a few once I didn't like? The list goes on. Oh and btw he wasn't injured ... he was home on leave in Wales and went to visit an injured mate in Woking (alone).
As a teacher I certainly don't want to be blamed or denied anything because of the actions of my colleagues.
In edit I didn't hear that he had a broken wrist, not that it makes a difference.
As a teacher I certainly don't want to be blamed or denied anything because of the actions of my colleagues.
In edit I didn't hear that he had a broken wrist, not that it makes a difference.
I am not saying that it is right. Who am I to judge? and likening it to racism and sexism and perhaps in even homophobia is accurate I suppose. But the fact that squaddies are not a 'minority' group makes them as open to discrimination as 'Bikers', young people and others who are routinely discriminated against by businesses. They are also not protected by the law. Perhaps they need to get together and campaign to be classed as a minority group?
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Further to the thread about heroes where most people thought members of the armed forces were heroes, especially those serving overseas, I have just heard on the news about a soldier serving in Afghanistan who was refused a room in the Metro Hotel in Woking because he was a member of the armed forces!! He was home on leave and wanted to visit a friend who had been injured but when he produced his forces ID they refused him.
My thoughts? Utterly disgusting.
We all know what this is about. The same thing where members of the armed forces were told NOT to wear their uniforms outside of their base.
The same kind of people who have been saying they dont want the armed forces in schools anymore. We all know there are many out there who do not agree with the current conflicts going on, so no doubt the owners of this hotel chain are the same tossers who are calling for the banning of going into schools.
These tossers would not have lasted a second in the second world war, and we should all be grateful there are people then and people now, who are willing to lay down their lives for us and this country. Unlike in wars gone past, people do not have to join up, and it angers me beyond belief with theses kind of nasty wingy PC correct nambies!!
I urge people to boycott this hotel chain and I for one hope they go skint because of it. Sorry, but I don't think there's enough information to go on here to have an opinion either way. I'm certainly not going to jump to the guy's defence just because he's a squaddie. They can be as much an arsehole as the rest of society. Likewise if there's a company policy against it then the manager's hands are tied. Either way it seems suspiciously like a story on a slow news day.
Sex God
i think he had to show some for of identification as most hotels ask for this if you pay by cash and not credit card ... and the only for of id was his forces id card
I would place bets on this being blown up out of proportion tbh.
Well if it is then the families solicitor and his MP will get to the bottom of it I'm sure.
Maybe he didn't have his passport or driving licence on him. Most people don't carry them on their person, especially men (no handbags).
I can't believe people are prepared to wipe out a whole group of people because of the actions of a few.
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I would place bets on this being blown up out of proportion tbh.
Well if it is then the families solicitor and his MP will get to the bottom of it I'm sure.
Maybe he didn't have his passport or driving licence on him. Most people don't carry them on their person, especially men(no handbags).
I can't believe people are prepared to wipe out a whole group of people because of the actions of a few.
But he was carrying his army id wasn't he? Aren't driving licences and id the same size - small enough to be carried in a wallet.. along with the cash he was apparently going to pay for the room with?
The thing is, doesn’t hoteliers and Licensees have the right to refuse entry to anyone, if it was your granny that got refused entry would it have made the press?
Shops like Harrods refuse entry to people everyday just because of the way they dress.
Some swinging/clubs hotels refuse entry to single men, if one was in the armed forces would it be a bigger deal?
We love our armed forces and are proud of the job they do, however they shouldn't get preferential treatment over any other human being, and by that we mean he's probably not the first person to be refused entry to that hotel and no doubt wont be the last.
It’s the hotels loss, the press must be desperate for stories.
Shops like Harrods refuse entry to people everyday just because of the way they dress.
Some swinging/clubs hotels refuse entry to single men, if one was in the armed forces would it be a bigger deal?
We love our armed forces and are proud of the job they do, however they shouldn't get preferential treatment over any other human being, and by that we mean he's probably not the first person to be refused entry to that hotel and no doubt wont be the last.
It’s the hotels loss, the press must be desperate for stories.
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I can't believe people are prepared to wipe out a whole group of people because of the actions of a few.
Why so hard? It happens all the time.
The black family two doors down are looked on suspiciously by a WASP family because there's been a lot of mugging in the city by black perpetrators.
The Asian family 4 doors down are looked on suspiciously because the press have been making a big thing about immigration. The fact that they've been here for 30 years doesn't come into the equation.
The police are looked on suspiciously by a lot of people because a few coppers from time to time have kicked the crap out of some innocent guy in lockup.
There's lots and lots of examples.
And that's not counting the towns around large forces bases. You'll find that they contain an awful lot of people who neither like nor respect the forces members in said camps.
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Sex God
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i think he had to show some for of identification as most hotels ask for this if you pay by cash and not credit card ... and the only for of id was his forces id card
his driving licence or passport?
Are members of the armed forces required to carry their ID at all times ?
If so it would explain why it was to hand....
Personally I never carry my driving license with me(if plod wants to see it I can quote him the 16 digit number if he wants :lol2: ) and dont have a passport....
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Why did he see the need to declare who he was or what his occupation was in the first place?
Was it a "sympathy ticket" issue to get a bigger discount perhaps? :dunno:
I would place bets on this being blown up out of proportion tbh.
I know this is from the SUN newspaper but this story is in most of them this morning, with the same story.
The hotel has appologised and has said it has made a mistake. A mistake my arse. They are only now appologising because of the financial backlash.
Have a read of this artical and if it does not make anybody sick at the way the forces are now being treated by some, then emigrate to Iran!
the military have always been refused entry to places it isn't now
Ffs.. the para's are notoriously banned from all of the places they have ever been based/posted. Everywhere I was based and/or posted squaddies were not allowed to enter pubs/clubs/hotels etc. As a female I wondered how 'they' knew that I was a squaddie but now that I am older and wiser I can spot a squaddie (male or female) a mile away.
I live in Darlington and I know that squaddies from Catterick are briefed to go out on the town in small (less than 5) groups and to stay away from other groups of squaddies or they stay on the garrison because the staff know how to handle pissed up squaddies and the military police will police them tightly.
Don't be getting all sentimental about it on here. Have a look round your nearest garrison town on a friday/saturday night, especially after payday, and ask yourself how many of those squaddies who are 'only having a laugh' you want in your home in that state? Yes, I am tarring them all but I have seen the worst and best of them so have most local businesses.
I was in when the first gulf kicked off and my unit returned to an on camp 'do'. We had a beautiful singer and band as well as a stand up comedian (blue of course). Two of my male mates jumped on the stage and simulated sex (doggy style) in front of the singer, naked. They then pissed on the singer and the drum kit and one of them defecated on the stage. All of this to raucous laughter and clapping. It was so talked about that it made the papers... well, it made the Sun and I think that qualifies. It was standard practice to us but civvies went crazy.
get off your moral high horses and realise that these people work damn hard and play harder. I don't agree with their excesses but I can honestly say that I wouldn't want them in my business when they are 'unwinding'
Ffs.. the para's are notoriously banned from all of the places they have ever been based/posted. Everywhere I was based and/or posted squaddies were not allowed to enter pubs/clubs/hotels etc. As a female I wondered how 'they' knew that I was a squaddie but now that I am older and wiser I can spot a squaddie (male or female) a mile away.
I live in Darlington and I know that squaddies from Catterick are briefed to go out on the town in small (less than 5) groups and to stay away from other groups of squaddies or they stay on the garrison because the staff know how to handle pissed up squaddies and the military police will police them tightly.
Don't be getting all sentimental about it on here. Have a look round your nearest garrison town on a friday/saturday night, especially after payday, and ask yourself how many of those squaddies who are 'only having a laugh' you want in your home in that state? Yes, I am tarring them all but I have seen the worst and best of them so have most local businesses.
I was in when the first gulf kicked off and my unit returned to an on camp 'do'. We had a beautiful singer and band as well as a stand up comedian (blue of course). Two of my male mates jumped on the stage and simulated sex (doggy style) in front of the singer, naked. They then pissed on the singer and the drum kit and one of them defecated on the stage. All of this to raucous laughter and clapping. It was so talked about that it made the papers... well, it made the Sun and I think that qualifies. It was standard practice to us but civvies went crazy.
get off your moral high horses and realise that these people work damn hard and play harder. I don't agree with their excesses but I can honestly say that I wouldn't want them in my business when they are 'unwinding'
Sex God
Splendid is on the button with this without doubt. Our town used to quake when the Para's came through on masse on their way to or from somewhere else (with huge friggin headaches too i bet) but seriously they used to take the town apart pub by pub and by the time the county had assembled enough police to even attempt some sort of control the whirlwind had passed. The damage caused at times was in the least extreme and the behaviour likewise.
How about a dozen or more para's out of their box playing a game which involved them sh**ing on a table?? whats all that about eh? and in a restaurant part of a pub with kids present gross! Yeah, I know I was there, watching the parents trying to usher the kids out of the place, walking over carpets sounding like a shingle beach due to the amount of broken glass om it.
That doesn't happen nowadays why? because the pubs won't let them in. If the guy in th OP was genuine then thats a shame, of course it is but prevention is better and safer than cure. When the forces lads and lasses go out on a bender then the really only the forces should have to deal with it
How about a dozen or more para's out of their box playing a game which involved them sh**ing on a table?? whats all that about eh? and in a restaurant part of a pub with kids present gross! Yeah, I know I was there, watching the parents trying to usher the kids out of the place, walking over carpets sounding like a shingle beach due to the amount of broken glass om it.
That doesn't happen nowadays why? because the pubs won't let them in. If the guy in th OP was genuine then thats a shame, of course it is but prevention is better and safer than cure. When the forces lads and lasses go out on a bender then the really only the forces should have to deal with it
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Splendid is on the button with this without doubt. Our town used to quake when the Para's came through on masse on their way to or from somewhere else (with huge friggin headaches too i bet) but seriously they used to take the town apart pub by pub and by the time the county had assembled enough police to even attempt some sort of control the whirlwind had passed. The damage caused at times was in the least extreme and the behaviour likewise.
How about a dozen or more para's out of their box playing a game which involved them sh**ing on a table?? whats all that about eh? and in a restaurant part of a pub with kids present gross! Yeah, I know I was there, watching the parents trying to usher the kids out of the place, walking over carpets sounding like a shingle beach due to the amount of broken glass om it.
That doesn't happen nowadays why? because the pubs won't let them in. If the guy in th OP was genuine then thats a shame, of course it is but prevention is better and safer than cure. When the forces lads and lasses go out on a bender then the really only the forces should have to deal with it
Sorry lost but why do people choose to go way off tangent all the time?
This thread was about ONE soldier looking for a bed for the night. Not a bunch of pissed up paras looking to destroy a hotel. Please keep things in perspective.
Now it had gone from a soldier to a gang of them. How things can move on from what was first talked about.
Sex God
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Splendid is on the button with this without doubt. Our town used to quake when the Para's came through on masse on their way to or from somewhere else (with huge friggin headaches too i bet) but seriously they used to take the town apart pub by pub and by the time the county had assembled enough police to even attempt some sort of control the whirlwind had passed. The damage caused at times was in the least extreme and the behaviour likewise.
How about a dozen or more para's out of their box playing a game which involved them sh**ing on a table?? whats all that about eh? and in a restaurant part of a pub with kids present gross! Yeah, I know I was there, watching the parents trying to usher the kids out of the place, walking over carpets sounding like a shingle beach due to the amount of broken glass om it.
That doesn't happen nowadays why? because the pubs won't let them in. If the guy in th OP was genuine then thats a shame, of course it is but prevention is better and safer than cure. When the forces lads and lasses go out on a bender then the really only the forces should have to deal with it
Sorry lost but why do people choose to go way off tangent all the time?
This thread was about ONE soldier looking for a bed for the night. Not a bunch of pissed up paras looking to destroy a hotel. Please keep things in perspective.
Now it had gone from a soldier to a gang of them. How things can move on from what was first talked about.
Its ok 777 its called evolution
Now stop dragging your arms along the floor and shouting oooo aaaaaa oooooo and run with it ok 
:lol: You are right though i guess, sorry
I guess it was just a reason to put dowm a memory related however tenuously that the thread had triggered. In my defence though i ermm welll it was ermmmm errrr Only four coffee in to me this morning
back on topic.
If the guy was genuine it is a great shame.
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Splendid is on the button with this without doubt. Our town used to quake when the Para's came through on masse on their way to or from somewhere else (with huge friggin headaches too i bet) but seriously they used to take the town apart pub by pub and by the time the county had assembled enough police to even attempt some sort of control the whirlwind had passed. The damage caused at times was in the least extreme and the behaviour likewise.
How about a dozen or more para's out of their box playing a game which involved them sh**ing on a table?? whats all that about eh? and in a restaurant part of a pub with kids present gross! Yeah, I know I was there, watching the parents trying to usher the kids out of the place, walking over carpets sounding like a shingle beach due to the amount of broken glass om it.
That doesn't happen nowadays why? because the pubs won't let them in. If the guy in th OP was genuine then thats a shame, of course it is but prevention is better and safer than cure. When the forces lads and lasses go out on a bender then the really only the forces should have to deal with it
Sorry lost but why do people choose to go way off tangent all the time?
This thread was about ONE soldier looking for a bed for the night. Not a bunch of pissed up paras looking to destroy a hotel. Please keep things in perspective.
Now it had gone from a soldier to a gang of them. How things can move on from what was first talked about.
Its ok 777 its called evolution
Now stop dragging your arms along the floor and shouting oooo aaaaaa oooooo and run with it ok :lol: You are right though i guess, sorry
I guess it was just a reason to put dowm a memory related however tenuously that the thread had triggered. In my defence though i ermm welll it was ermmmm errrr Only four coffee in to me this morning
back on topic.
If the guy was genuine it is a great shame.
Lost I appologise as that was in no way a dig at you or splendid.
It is just one thing to deny a hotel room to one soldier, and then compare their actions as though a whole gaggle of them turned up.
The hotel has appologised so if they had done nothing wrong, what have they got to appologise for? :dunno:
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Further to the thread about heroes where most people thought members of the armed forces were heroes, especially those serving overseas, I have just heard on the news about a soldier serving in Afghanistan who was refused a room in the Metro Hotel in Woking because he was a member of the armed forces!! He was home on leave and wanted to visit a friend who had been injured but when he produced his forces ID they refused him.
My thoughts? Utterly disgusting.
Well, I have to say that it on the face of it it is a pretty shitty thing to do. There is an unwritten law in many peoples minds that we show respect to servicemen.
Unfortunately this seems to be affected by some people taking their hostility to Blairs international policies out on them. I know many servicemen (no para's but a few from corps and the navy) and from what they tell me it seems they just as much victims of new labour as the people in the countries they serve story in question, descibed a lone serviceman with a broken wrist not a mob of pissed up squaddies (maybe the word squaddie should be banned as a derogotory term like so many others have been, that is illegal for me to use in conversation or in a somehow I doubt it).
Of course it could it might have just been the case of a receptionist taking her frustations out on someone she considered a moral inferior.
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By the way,the paper said it was a £60 a night budget when has 60 quid been budget?
Haven't they heard of the credit crunch?
£60 for a gaggle of squaddies is not bad value at all...
HTF did the receptionist know that he didn't have a truck load of his mates in the car park
She of course did not. But she had her orders to ban ANY member of the services. The people who took this decision I hope pay a heavy price for their tosser attitude.
