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Just a quick doodle to say " I hope everyone has brought their poppy this year.
The money raised goes to some fantastic causes, for which many could not do without.
The poppy sellers also do a fantastic job, standing there sometimes for hours with no pay.
So I would like to take my hat off to those people, who contributions go a massive way into helping soldiers and their families.
I agree, kenty. I buy one - generally from work who have them on the front desk.
But my ex would never buy one. His Grandad died in WW2 and his gran went to the British Legion for help - 4 kids under 15. She was told "No help for you, you should put the boys into care." She didn't of course, and they managed, just. But none of the family have had any time for the BL since. Probably one over-worked person on a bad day, but an incrediblly sad event anyway.
I shall be wearing mine with pride whilst watching my daughter march past with the cadets amongst some regs and T.A and I will remember.
I think I have purchased 4 or 5 Poppies this year...
I keep taking them off....Putting them down....Then forgetting where I have put them rolleyes
Quote by Kaznkev
Well they wont give you a pin any more ffs!

Yes they do.
They still supply a pin but you now have to pin the poppy to your jacket/jumper etc yourself in case they stab you to death with it....
I always buy at least 2-3..as I tend to forget where I put one...or the kids have them to wear for school.
I've always brought one...it's probably the only charity my dad always supported. I see it as a small way I can show my respect and recognition for the tough thankless task that many of our boys have to face.
i buy them but rarely wear them as the pins r useless and keeping them on my clothes so i lose them or they rip my coat
My father, a WW2 veteran had a hang up about the British Legion and the help it failed to give to his comrades and their families which colours my view.
I have a fundamental issue with many charities based on my belief that such help should be part of the welfare state and funded by taxation.
I also wouldn't want my wearing a poppy to be misconstrued as my support for current or past wars.
So no I have never bought a poppy despite the abuse I have taken as a result.
Remembrance day is quite another matter and I always observe the silence and have often attended ceremonies.
The wearing of a poppy signifies the support of those who have been injured or in need, and who have defended this land. It does not show support for the butcher Blair or his policies.
The Poppy is a symbol of remembering those who have died for this country.
It is not a political thing.
This is a poem which is very apt

Of course people do not have to buy or wear a Poppy,but it is to remember them.
The last paragraph says it all for me.
Well I'm not keen on Terry Wogan but its never stopped me donating to Children In Need.
I know a local, I think he is called a chairman of the RBL. As I understand it support is given on need, and there is still a lot out there.
...and no I do not wear any sign that I have given, with the exception of the poppy, which I wear at work as I have a collection that I am responcible for in the Office.
Travis
Quote by flower411
The wearing of a poppy signifies the support of those who have been injured or in need, and who have defended this land. It does not show support for the butcher Blair or his policies.

I think you are absolutely correct that in the past it signified support for those killed or injured in war.
But nowadays it signifies support for the Royal British Legion, who then make decisions about who should receive help.
A fine line it may be ....
I give money to charity but I don`t wear a badge to tell people that I`ve done it.
I don't know about that but...what I do know is it is about remembering those that were killed, so as we can sit here and argue the toss on the internet.
I am not bothered in the politics of it all, as I do not buy my poppy for that.
It is a signal for me to remember the brave fallen heroes, that died to save our futures....and for that we should all be grateful for their ultimate sacrifices.
I wear poppy pin badge with pride my sons got one to.
On remederence there is a very large gathering in my town.
Flower you agreeing with me is like seeing my cat lay a golden egg. lol My your angel avatar is def working wonders. cool
Charities that I see every day of the week, I hear horror stories of where the money goes. Like 30% of some charities goes off into administration.
I only buy a poppy for one reason and one reason only, and that it to wear it with pride, for the people who sacrificed their lives for all of us.
I am not interested where the money goes, and if the British Legion are doing some funny things then I have not heard about that or not really bothered, as most will say that on the whole they do a fantastic job.....not everything in this world is done in a perfect way.
I always wonder at this time of the year as to why some people do not wear a poppy. It is fun trying to guess why not. I come up with some very funny reasons, by the way they dress or the way they look. I am no doubt completely wrong most of the time, but I do enjoy doing it.
Is it not getting a bit old hat,the country that was fought for barely exists now...........Won't and don't buy Poppy's.... neutral
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I only buy a poppy for one reason and one reason only, and that it to wear it with pride, for the people who sacrificed their lives for all of us.

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Quote by Kaznkev
Saw they were selling white poppies at the quakers in the village and wondered if the non poppy wearers had ever bought these?

I did way back in the 80's- our school banned them. rolleyes
There are 2 poems that I think say it all
The first is...
IN FLANDERS FIELDS.
In Flanders field the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
~~By Major John McCrae, May 1915.~~
The 2nd is....
WE SHALL KEEP THE FAITH.
Oh! You who sleep in Flanders’ fields,
Sleep sweet - to rise anew,
We caught the torch you threw,
And holding high we kept
The faith with those who died.
We cherish too, the poppy red
That grows on fields where valour led.
It seems to signal to the skies
That blood of heroes never dies,
But lends a lustre to the red
Of the flower that blooms above the dead
In Flanders’ fields.
And now the torch and poppy red
Wear in honour of our dead.
Fear not that ye have died for naught
We’ve learned the lesson that ye taught
In Flanders’ fields.
by Miss Moina Belle Michael
Lovely poems indeed.x
I'm sorry, I'm going this time to go against the thread.
My father is dead, my mother is dead. V's parents also. Whatever they did in life is now irrelevant.
piece of music always moves me to tears but we have to move on.
Whatever I or V have done in life will also be irrelevant when we are gone.
We have to move on. The politicians want us to remember the dead of Iraq and Afghanistan but only to atone for their dreadful mistakes.
These brave people were murdered as if by the hands of our own elected representatives. They were sent to fight a war that was not of our making, of which we had no responsibility.
What are we now remembering? I seem to have forgotten.
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I'm sorry, I'm going this time to go against the thread.
My father is dead, my mother is dead. V's parents also. Whatever they did in life is now irrelevant.
This piece of music always moves me to tears but we have to move on.
Whatever I or V have done in life will also be irrelevant when we are gone.
We have to move on. The politicians want us to remember the dead of Iraq and Afghanistan but only to atone for their dreadful mistakes.
These brave people were murdered as if by the hands of our own elected representatives. They were sent to fight a war that was not of our making, of which we had no responsibility.
What are we now remembering? I seem to have forgotten.

GNV I am shocked by that comment from you.
We are remembering those people who gave their lives, so others could enjoy the freedoms that some wanted to take from us.
IF Hitler had of defeated us you would not be in a position to be in France lazing the days away in your well earned retirement.
IF those soldiers had not stood up to him, where would we all be now? Are you saying we would now be better off had we lost the war?
They died yesterday so all of us can have our tomorrows.
There have been two great wars and there are still many many people out there like my Father, who can remember the horrors of war.
It has no relevance as to whether your parents or my Grandparents are alive or not, it is about the SACRIFICES others made.
I get the poppy each year (not yet but I will) and the poems quoted are appropriate to the day. But THIS is the poem of war that we must all remember.
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep.
Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod.
All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped
Five-Nines that dropped behind.
Gas! Gas! Quick, boys!---An ecstasy of fumbling, Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime...
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,---
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie:
Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.

War is not great, honourable, fair. It is dirty, corrupting, deadly, gsangrenous and in every single case WRONG. The fact we have to fight them (in some cases) to protect ourselves from attackers, and sometimes there isn't an alternative other than giving up, doesn't change the fact that war is wrong and not something anyone should glory in.
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I think my view of Rememberance is that we are particularly remembering those that died in an utterly futile war where the young men of the world were sent to foreign fields to slaughter each other.
We remember this so that the same mistakes will never be repeated ....
However ....these mistakes have been repeated albeit on a smaller scale but the fact remains that the government are sending our young men to fight in a futile and unwinnable war ....
Lest we forget ....
Do you know what ? With scum (there, I`ll use one of your favourite words 777 !!) like we have in parliament right now ....I think many of us would rather forget .

I can think of much stronger words to use, but ya learning fast. lol
How the feck do people think we feel about the war when we have a son going out there next year, at just over 18 years of age?
This house will spend every day hoping we do not get a knock on the door, try and imagine living with that one. Still he is doing something he loves and he believes he is doing something constructive....who am I to argue?
My wearing of my poppy is for the soldiers not for the horrid little thieves sitting in Parliament.
I see them all in the chambers on tv all wearing their poppies.....they are not fit to wear them, and they should now hang their heads in shame...especially that liar Blair and Brown.
Too political now this is and I am off.
Quote by GnV
I'm sorry, I'm going this time to go against the thread.
My father is dead, my mother is dead. V's parents also. Whatever they did in life is now irrelevant.
This piece of music always moves me to tears but we have to move on.
Whatever I or V have done in life will also be irrelevant when we are gone.
We have to move on. The politicians want us to remember the dead of Iraq and Afghanistan but only to atone for their dreadful mistakes.
These brave people were murdered as if by the hands of our own elected representatives. They were sent to fight a war that was not of our making, of which we had no responsibility.
What are we now remembering? I seem to have forgotten.

G, I am stunned by your post I really am but I've highlighted the one bit that struck me to the core.
My father is dead too but what he did in life is far from irrelevant. He taught me right from wrong, he showed me the values of family and the importance of being there for your children both when they need you and when they don't. He taught me love, respect, honesty and so many other things it's hard to put into words.
Yes, my father may no longer be here but his life was far from irrelevant and that goes for every man and woman who died serving their country and protecting those who needed protection at that time.
Quote by foxylady2209
I get the poppy each year (not yet but I will) and the poems quoted are appropriate to the day. But THIS is the poem of war that we must all remember.
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep.
Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod.
All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped
Five-Nines that dropped behind.
Gas! Gas! Quick, boys!---An ecstasy of fumbling, Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime...
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,---
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie:
Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.

War is not great, honourable, fair. It is dirty, corrupting, deadly, gsangrenous and in every single case WRONG. The fact we have to fight them (in some cases) to protect ourselves from attackers, and sometimes there isn't an alternative other than giving up, doesn't change the fact that war is wrong and not something anyone should glory in.

Bugger!! beat me to it there i was link at hand ready to post.
And people can and should give their money to whoever and whatever they choose....I won't be wearing or buying a poppy
Don't know if you remember... I posted a while back about my friend Paul who was hit by a roadside bomb this time last year... well he's doing great things during his recovery and this is him doing his bit for the Poppy Appeal. Proud, inspired and humbled all at once. :mrgreen:
i always have a tear in my eye this time of year remembering why the day is significant, this thread has done the same to me. its living this lifestyle in this 'free' world we live in is why they died.
i may not always get a poppy and wear it, i may not even go to the cenotaph (too religious) but i always remember, i always stop and think and i always have a tear in my eye for all those fallen xxxxxxxxxx
THANK YOU is about all i can say
everyone is entitled to their opinion and i do not think what my father did was in any way irrelevent I have his photos taken from the landing craft as it hit the beach in normandy (he was the pilot so made several landings) and to look at them still send a shiver down my spine.
just to think what all those young guys and any that go to war go through deserves remembrance regards of political stance or prejudice.
I remember every year and always will.