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Quote by deancannock
Secondly and the question I think on alot of people lips....is with the all new re-launch....will the old FREE membership people, still have this privelige or will we be asked to start paying ???

Free members will never be asked to make payment before or after the re-launch.
The only time a free member might decide they want to make a payment would be to buy an 'extras' package.
Put your tight little bum away Dean, its safe :lol2:
Quote by Dawnie
Secondly and the question I think on alot of people lips....is with the all new re-launch....will the old FREE membership people, still have this privelige or will we be asked to start paying ???

Free members will never be asked to make payment before or after the re-launch.
The only time a free member might decide they want to make a payment would be to buy an 'extras' package.
Put your tight little bum away Dean, its safe :lol2:
is it
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Quote by Sara_2006
Secondly and the question I think on alot of people lips....is with the all new re-launch....will the old FREE membership people, still have this privelige or will we be asked to start paying ???

Free members will never be asked to make payment before or after the re-launch.
The only time a free member might decide they want to make a payment would be to buy an 'extras' package.
Put your tight little bum away Dean, its safe :lol2:
is it
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Probably not now rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Hi Martin
please may i make a comment?
I like my pics on my profile as other members who have paid to come on the site can look and i find this a great benefit for attracting meets. However i like the thought that my pics are restricted to genuine people looking for meets and have paid to use the site. I feel if my pics are in the gallery they are open to public perusal. For example one of my 21 year old sons friends could stumble upon them or say my boss got an inkling i was a swinger he could go in the gallery and use the pics as evidence to remove me from my job.
i have now made my pics private but i would appreciate being able to restrict my pics to site members only.
I suppose some who have the know how could print them still.
I know SH admin are very law abiding and uphold the data protection act 993 but i wonder do u need an individuals permission to place pics in a public gallery.
These are only my thoughts and questions.
Thanks for reading
im one of the old free members who so far has the same access to the site as new paying members, the only ones who have "more" are the people who pay for extras.
will that stay the same ?
i know its seems the same question that dean asked but im kind of concerned that we mite lose some of the "free" access we have at the moment !
I like the way there is just one menu down the left hand side, instead of having 2 separate ones down the left and right.
I think the new layouts are very clear to view too, which is a plus.
Its a tough job trying to please a large group of people.....wouldnt like to do it for all the tea in China!
Free member access will remain free, we use the extras package to subsidise free membership and it works well. We have absolutely no intention of charging you anything at all to use the site. These improvements are in no way to turn round to free members and ask them for money. biggrin
Please just continue to enjoy it! lol
There will be a wide range of new features introduced over the coming months as well. This re launch is just the start of things. Every section of the site is being enhanced. New profiles, site messanger, a new Rep system, to name just a few.
Believe it or not this re launch has been nearly two years in the making now, as we had to re code the whole site behind the scenes before we could even start on the new bits!. I am very excited about things at the moment and I use the new site daily in the office and its great to use.
Nothings changed has it, people raise valid points and concerns and you just dismiss them - paying members can go fuck yourself.
Does the "new site" mean that you're going to fix the security issue with the chatrooms that has existed for as long as I can remember?
Quote by Martin_M
Free member access will remain free, we use the extras package to subsidise free membership and it works well. We have absolutely no intention of charging you anything at all to use the site. These improvements are in no way to turn round to free members and ask them for money. biggrin
Please just continue to enjoy it! lol
There will be a wide range of new features introduced over the coming months as well. This re launch is just the start of things. Every section of the site is being enhanced. New profiles, site messanger, a new Rep system, to name just a few.
Believe it or not this re launch has been nearly two years in the making now, as we had to re code the whole site behind the scenes before we could even start on the new bits!. I am very excited about things at the moment and I use the new site daily in the office and its great to use.

whats a rep system.... is rep short for reputation??? and if it is does that pass as a fancy name for verification???
We made a promise to the members of this site when we took it over. That was we would not charge them for anything. A lot of them have stuck around and have seen the benefits. Some flounced assuming the worst, and others just came here from time to time to cause trouble and were shown the door.
All we have done is keep that promise!. If that annoys you then its only because you joined later. Im sure you would feel differently if you were a free member. Funny thing is normally its the Free lot that acuse me of not listening as "they dont make us any money".
Damned if you do, damned if you dont. rolleyes
If you can please over a million members all the time without ever upsetting anyone then please send me your CV. Its a tough old job only ever rewarded with problems. :cry:
Quote by midsprincess
I like my pics on my profile as other members who have paid to come on the site can look and i find this a great benefit for attracting meets. However i like the thought that my pics are restricted to genuine people looking for meets and have paid to use the site. I feel if my pics are in the gallery they are open to public perusal. For example one of my 21 year old sons friends could stumble upon them or say my boss got an inkling i was a swinger he could go in the gallery and use the pics as evidence to remove me from my job.
i have now made my pics private but i would appreciate being able to restrict my pics to site members only.
I suppose some who have the know how could print them still.
I know SH admin are very law abiding and uphold the data protection act 993 but i wonder do u need an individuals permission to place pics in a public gallery.

Wrong thread midsprincess, but as you have asked I'd say that if you don't wish for them to be stumbled upon you should make them Private or at least obscure your face on any public photo's, as anyone over the age of 18 could join this site, this isn't something new thats cropped up with the new gallery layout, its the way its always been.
So far as permissions go everyone that joins or continues to use the site has to agree to the sites terms and conditions.
Quote by Sixfootsix
Nothings changed has it, people raise valid points and concerns and you just dismiss them - paying members can go fuck yourself.
Does the "new site" mean that you're going to fix the security issue with the chatrooms that has existed for as long as I can remember?

Plenty has changed, whilst we may not agree with all comments made they are certainly discussed and changes made where its practicable.
I'm not aware of any outstanding security issue with the chatroom, if there is one please report it via our support center.
Yes "Shrep" SH rep system is a reputation system and im sure we will be having a most enjoyable debate when the information is released. Believe me I am really looking forward to the abuse and scare mongering that will bring.
Happy days! :P
Quote by Martin_M
Yes "Shrep" SH rep system is a reputation system and im sure we will be having a most enjoyable debate when the information is released. Believe me I am really looking forward to the abuse and scare mongering that will bring.
Happy days! :P

well why launch it if you know it will bring problems...
why fix what isn't broken... will this be opt in or opt out and how is it going to be managed...
Our survey said "8 out of 10" cats wanted it! wink
Its a complete work of art, its the best one around. I cant go into any further details as the system is so good it will get stolen and used on other sites. But you will get plenty of info a bit down the line.
Quote by Martin_M
Our survey said "8 out of 10" cats wanted it! wink

my survey said you answered 1 out of 4 questions...
Quote by st3v3
Nothings changed has it, people raise valid points and concerns and you just dismiss them - paying members can go fuck yourself.
Does the "new site" mean that you're going to fix the security issue with the chatrooms that has existed for as long as I can remember?

Plenty has changed, whilst we may not agree with all comments made they are certainly discussed and changes made where its practicable.
I'm not aware of any outstanding security issue with the chatroom, if there is one please report it via our support center.
I'd call the ability to walk into any private room an "outstanding security issue".
Quote by Sixfootsix
I'd call the ability to walk into any private room an "outstanding security issue".

Well thats news to me, if you are able to do that without having a password would you pm me.
Quote by Martin_M
Our survey said "8 out of 10" cats wanted it! wink
Its a complete work of art, its the best one around. I cant go into any further details as the system is so good it will get stolen and used on other sites. But you will get plenty of info a bit down the line.

adding info afterwards lol smooth move...
other sites have verification on them already so i doubt its a big secret lol and they are all abused... hence why we use this site as it allows you to chose based on your own feelings and not let people who's toes you may have stepped on tarnish a reputation for no reason....
Quote by Martin_M
Yes "Shrep" SH rep system is a reputation system and im sure we will be having a most enjoyable debate when the information is released. Believe me I am really looking forward to the abuse and scare mongering that will bring.
Happy days! :P

I can hear the tone in your voice and see your eyes rolling round your head as you said that :lol2:
Quote by Martin_M
Our survey said "8 out of 10" cats wanted it! wink

Oh my God, grumpy old Martin is actually making me laugh :giggle:
Im afraid I cant keep up with all your questions. Its like interogation the same thing asked over and over in slightly different ways. smackbottom The answers dont change just because the same thing keeps getting asked over and over again.
I tell you what, I am shining a bright light in my eyes as I type this. mad My wife is just about to throw scoulding oil on me so she can keep asking me the same questions again and again in hope of a different answer for you. :cry:
I know you love me really 69position
Quote by two-4-more
hence why we use this site as it allows you to chose based on your own feelings and not let people who's toes you may have stepped on tarnish a reputation for no reason....

You will stll be able to opt out of any verification/reputation/comments/bragging system or whatever other term it is called :thumbup:
My personal opinion is no secret, I hate verifications but too many members have requested it for admin not to take notice. Its a shit idea however it is worded but as long as I can decide not to use it, I'll live with it and emjoy the bits of the site I do like biggrin
Quote by Martin_M
Im afraid I cant keep up with all your questions. Its like interogation the same thing asked over and over in slightly different ways. smackbottom The answers dont change just because the same thing keeps getting asked over and over again.
I tell you what, I am shining a bright light in my eyes as I type this. mad My wife is just about to throw scoulding oil on me so she can keep asking me the same questions again and again in hope of a different answer for you. :cry:
I know you love me really 69position

the problem is though if you look in the other thread and the terms and conditions...
Access to your photographs and to the forum sections of the website can be controlled by you. This will ensure anonymity.

however its not controllable by us its controllable by you cause you dictate how we are able to chose how and where our pictures are displayed.
you said in the thread that you are not changing something that effects so few... but with people having to hide their pictures in private folder it actually effects all those who want to veiw those pictures and now have to ask for an invite.
i know that you are only protecting where your money comes from and i really do understand that the swingers are probably not enough of an income to upkeep the site and pay for improvements... but i do ask that you reconsider the option of the photo's automatically going into the gallery... it wouldn't be too hard
verification you can choose to use and choose to listen to...
forums you either use or you dont...
chat rooms you either use or you dont...
profiles you either read or you dont... you fill in or you dont...
so please just give us the option to use/"star in" the gallery.
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do you know what......
I am perfectly happy with the site. I love the changes.... intially I get a little annoyed as I have to figure a new way of doing what I like. I even lost some pics a while ago.. but Steve fished around for them and he couldn't find them. But on reflection I thought I was probably breaching some kinda fraud cos they were 12 months old.
Anyhoo.. I digress. I like the site to pay a silly amount every year. I pay for extras because I like the funky cross. Worlass pays too because she likes to blether in chat and she has neither pics or a real profile on here. We don't have a couple's account because we don't want to have a male symbol in the chatroom. I got a bit stroppy about the chatroom symbols about a year or so ago..... and they still haven't changed, but you know what.. it meant enough to me that I kept my account single and worlass's single and used the site to meet my needs.
what I am attempting to say- however inarticulately- is that the site works however you want it to. If you, personally, don't bloody like it then please, either stop using it or change how you use it. Stop with the constant sniping. It is boring and I am sick of watching (year after flippin' year) the same people whinging about the changes.
You can opt out of having your pictures in the gallery... I don't have mine there. No-one can see my pics.. well, admin and the mods can.. and perhaps their mates... but I couldn't really care less as I know neither my boss or my son use this site and they are two people I would rather not saw my naked.
The site is a business and I have no idea if you have noticed but there is a lot of business's in strife right now. Go and fight for them will ya!
oh, and you know what the implication that I am less of a swinger because a. I pay or b. I aint whinging about the f@'kin gallery is frankly insulting. I fuck loads of people and I need to use this site to get the kinda numbers I need to keep my habit sated. wink
get over yourselves.
pah
:shock:
Sorry... I thought this was about freedom of speech and being entitled to our opinions.
I'm over myself thanks very much. wink
My pics are private. It's not the end of the world but to have the choice of where they appear rather than having to hide them completely would be nice.
My main reason for not wishing to appear in the gallery is because I found my brother on a random search of the gallery and I'd really rather he didn't find bits of me in there. He knows my username and to avoid my profile. If my pics are in the gallery there's every chance he's likely to happen across my tits and ass. Something neither I, nor he, would choose to see.
Yes the site works, yes I think most of the changes are for the better but I'd like to support Admin 100% and at present, on this topic, I cannot because for the reason stated above I disagree.
So yes, I'm over it. The site doesn't work as well for me as it did but this is something I cannot change so I've accepted that my photos require to remain private. Doesn't mean that I'm not going to voice my opinion on it as and when I choose to. That is one choice, as a member here, that I am afforded.
What I have come to realise, is that the changes here will take place whether the forum minority like them or not. There will be a 10 page thread whinging about it, there will be questions asked and some answered, some not, there will be a period of calm and everyone will get used to it... just like the tagging of pics, the quickies, the friends feed and I believe way back when the introduction of the postcode feature. People don't like change. People do like choice. There is a choice, you accept the decisions made higher up the chain or you don't. Should you choose not to, you know where the door is. Simples.
However, I'm happy to listen to rants, to type rants but I'd never state that you couldn't make them cause as far as I'm aware, the freedom of that choice (within the AUP) is allowed.
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Quote by splendid_
do you know what......
I am perfectly happy with the site. I love the changes.... intially I get a little annoyed as I have to figure a new way of doing what I like. I even lost some pics a while ago.. but Steve fished around for them and he couldn't find them. But on reflection I thought I was probably breaching some kinda fraud cos they were 12 months old.
Anyhoo.. I digress. I like the site to pay a silly amount every year. I pay for extras because I like the funky cross. Worlass pays too because she likes to blether in chat and she has neither pics or a real profile on here. We don't have a couple's account because we don't want to have a male symbol in the chatroom. I got a bit stroppy about the chatroom symbols about a year or so ago..... and they still haven't changed, but you know what.. it meant enough to me that I kept my account single and worlass's single and used the site to meet my needs.
what I am attempting to say- however inarticulately- is that the site works however you want it to. If you, personally, don't bloody like it then please, either stop using it or change how you use it. Stop with the constant sniping. It is boring and I am sick of watching (year after flippin' year) the same people whinging about the changes.
You can opt out of having your pictures in the gallery... I don't have mine there. No-one can see my pics.. well, admin and the mods can.. and perhaps their mates... but I couldn't really care less as I know neither my boss or my son use this site and they are two people I would rather not saw my naked.
The site is a business and I have no idea if you have noticed but there is a lot of business's in strife right now. Go and fight for them will ya!
oh, and you know what the implication that I am less of a swinger because a. I pay or b. I aint whinging about the f@'kin gallery is frankly insulting. I fuck loads of people and I need to use this site to get the kinda numbers I need to keep my habit sated. wink
get over yourselves.
pah
:shock:

Splendid kiss I'd marry you if I wasn't already on promise and the fact you were too. Thanks anyway smile :kiss:
GOD I LOVE THIS SITE.. :lol2:
so many valid points on the face of it, until you stop and have a little think......
Martin..... you soooo need a slap lol
St3v3 ...... what can I say lol (oh n thanks btw)
Guys.... the site is great, I was a little perturbed by my eldest phoning me and asking ..... DAAAAAD, how could you? ...... but then a quick reply of "and you were there because?????" soon put a stop to that lol
All seems well in the world of SH to me. OK so the Towers got shortened, and there’s been loads of changes, I can see that more than most having been away for so long and so often, but you know what? I’ve never failed to find “my fave parts of the site” even when I was so confused I could hardly remember my name.
I guess what I’m saying is that it’s easy to get a little bit anal about the ‘Cyber / interactive’ part of the site, and forget the fact that it’s People who populate it??
Dunno it may be that my SOH has become more warped, or I’m just in a daft mood but to be honest, I love how we all take ourselves soooo seriously :lol2:
I guess I should add IMHO these days dunno
Quote by Dirtygirly
Sorry... I thought this was about freedom of speech and being entitled to our opinions.
I'm over myself thanks very much. wink
My pics are private. It's not the end of the world but to have the choice of where they appear rather than having to hide them completely would be nice.
My main reason for not wishing to appear in the gallery is because I found my brother on a random search of the gallery and I'd really rather he didn't find bits of me in there. He knows my username and to avoid my profile. If my pics are in the gallery there's every chance he's likely to happen across my tits and ass. Something neither I, nor he, would choose to see.
Yes the site works, yes I think most of the changes are for the better but I'd like to support Admin 100% and at present, on this topic, I cannot because for the reason stated above I disagree.
So yes, I'm over it. The site doesn't work as well for me as it did but this is something I cannot change so I've accepted that my photos require to remain private. Doesn't mean that I'm not going to voice my opinion on it as and when I choose to. That is one choice, as a member here, that I am afforded.
What I have come to realise, is that the changes here will take place whether the forum minority like them or not. There will be a 10 page thread whinging about it, there will be questions asked and some answered, some not, there will be a period of calm and everyone will get used to it... just like the tagging of pics, the quickies, the friends feed and I believe way back when the introduction of the postcode feature. People don't like change. People do like choice. There is a choice, you accept the decisions made higher up the chain or you don't. Should you choose not to, you know where the door is. Simples.
However, I'm happy to listen to rants, to type rants but I'd never state that you couldn't make them cause as far as I'm aware, the freedom of that choice (within the AUP) is allowed.
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Totally agree with you here. I think the one thing that is good about this site is it's amazing tolerance, and allowing people to voice their views and opinions. I suspect that sometimes when I express mine that I have upset people in the process, but I think most people realize it isn't my intention to do so. Were that to change then that really would be the end.
However I'm not entirely sure about the notion that people don't like change. I think in reality people are generally indifferent to change, but require information and reasons for the change, plus reassurances that their own interests won't be compromised. Once these are satisfied people seem to be quite happy about whatever has been implemented.
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Although I certainly agree with the free speech argument and believe that debate is healthy, I really have to agree with what Splendid said. This site works well for me and is far improved on the original site. I really can't see what the issue is with the pics in the gallery. I have pics that I would not want on public display so they are in my private gallery....if anyone wants to see them ( I wish!) all they have to do is ask. No problem! If there was an option to have private pics on public display on your profile but not to appear in the gallery, these pics could still be seen by any paying member plus anyone else present at the time, "stumbling" accross your profile and the likelyhood is that it would probably be people living close to you using the post code search facility. Not something I would want.
I'm more than happy with how things are at present and will take a good look at any future developments before thinking about being critcal.