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Do you think the rules on the SH photographs are too strict?????

Hiya guys and girls,
I wondered if any other members had fallen foul of swinging heavens rules on posting photographs of third parties?
I have recently had a couple of meets with another fem through SH and wanted to put a couple of photographs onto the site. I have been very careful not to include any distinguishable body parts or hair etc in the pics in order to keep within the site rules. However I had my pics removed after 3 days without warning. I thought maybe they had failed to load properly so added them again. The second time I was given a final warning and told my account would be deleted if I tried again to load the photographs.
I just think that the rules are a little over the top. We are all adults and only members of this site for one reason, to have fun, I don't really appreciate being treated like a child and told if I don't stick within the rules my membership will be revoked.
You don't have to look too far on the gallery feature to notice that dozens and dozens of profiles have third parties involved in their photographs.
So, Come on SH team.. lighten up on the daft rules on the photographs and allow us all to have a little fun on here and not left to feel like we dare not attempt to do anything for fear of losing our membership's...
Siena xx
hiya
ive had pics with 3rd party in my pics to with faces blanked out and still had them took off but been warned
are you aloud a 3rd party in your pics ?
jo x
I agree totally. I'm sick to fucking death of uploading totally anonymous pics only to have them removed. the last one involved a plain black top and a hand. Absolutely no distinguishing marks whatsoever. her own mother wouldn't have known her, yet some over officious mod decided to remove it.
Sometimes you'd never guess this was a swinging site for adults.
hi there
there is still alot of pics on here with 3rd partys in them even people who work on the site so i think we need to know the rules about 3rd partys
oh what about 4th and 5th partys etc
infact just checked the pics ive got on profile and a cpl of them have 3rd party and 4th
thanks jo
Quote by sexy_bi_minx
Hiya guys and girls,
I wondered if any other members had fallen foul of swinging heavens rules on posting photographs of third parties?
I have recently had a couple of meets with another fem through SH and wanted to put a couple of photographs onto the site. I have been very careful not to include any distinguishable body parts or hair etc in the pics in order to keep within the site rules. However I had my pics removed after 3 days without warning. I thought maybe they had failed to load properly so added them again. The second time I was given a final warning and told my account would be deleted if I tried again to load the photographs.
I just think that the rules are a little over the top. We are all adults and only members of this site for one reason, to have fun, I don't really appreciate being treated like a child and told if I don't stick within the rules my membership will be revoked.
You don't have to look too far on the gallery feature to notice that dozens and dozens of profiles have third parties involved in their photographs.
So, Come on SH team.. lighten up on the daft rules on the photographs and allow us all to have a little fun on here and not left to feel like we dare not attempt to do anything for fear of losing our membership's...
Siena xx

We have had pictures revoked as one was just of my bike and nothing else. dunno
You will have to realise this site has more rules than anything else I have ever seen...check them all out, but it will take a while. lol
Yes the common discussion has been many times about how supposed " adults " seem to be treated like children a lot. As long as there are no third party faces shown where is the problem? I dont even think you can have a cat or a dog in your pics...how silly is that?
I must admit I agree with what you have written, but the owners or the people who run the site will not change the way it is run. You will just have to ask teacher if you want to use the toilet. lol
As far as I am aware and may be wrong, the people who vet the pictures have opposing views it seems. Because what one person WILL allow another wil NOT. That is why some have third party pics and others do not. Either have a rule that everyone sticks to, or get rid of it...my opinion of course.
Quote by kentswingers777
Hiya guys and girls,
I wondered if any other members had fallen foul of swinging heavens rules on posting photographs of third parties?
I have recently had a couple of meets with another fem through SH and wanted to put a couple of photographs onto the site. I have been very careful not to include any distinguishable body parts or hair etc in the pics in order to keep within the site rules. However I had my pics removed after 3 days without warning. I thought maybe they had failed to load properly so added them again. The second time I was given a final warning and told my account would be deleted if I tried again to load the photographs.
I just think that the rules are a little over the top. We are all adults and only members of this site for one reason, to have fun, I don't really appreciate being treated like a child and told if I don't stick within the rules my membership will be revoked.
You don't have to look too far on the gallery feature to notice that dozens and dozens of profiles have third parties involved in their photographs.
So, Come on SH team.. lighten up on the daft rules on the photographs and allow us all to have a little fun on here and not left to feel like we dare not attempt to do anything for fear of losing our membership's...
Siena xx

We have had pictures revoked as one was just of my bike and nothing else. dunno
You will have to realise this site has more rules than anything else I have ever seen...check them all out, but it will take a while. lol
Yes the common discussion has been many times about how supposed " adults " seem to be treated like children a lot. As long as there are no third party faces shown where is the problem? I dont even think you can have a cat or a dog in your pics...how silly is that?
I must admit I agree with what you have written, but the owners or the people who run the site will not change the way it is run. You will just have to ask teacher if you want to use the toilet. lol
As far as I am aware and may be wrong, the people who vet the pictures have opposing views it seems. Because what one person WILL allow another wil NOT. That is why some have third party pics and others do not. Either have a rule that everyone sticks to, or get rid of it...my opinion of course.
Thanks so much for the replies... I thought i was just me that felt victimised!! 3/4's of all the members in my friends column have other peeps in their pics but I seem to be getting singled out every time! Do you think if enough people got together we could ask them to review the rule???
I hope we dont all get banned for mentioning all this!!
xxx
Siena xx
Quote by sexy_bi_minx
Hiya guys and girls,
I wondered if any other members had fallen foul of swinging heavens rules on posting photographs of third parties?
I have recently had a couple of meets with another fem through SH and wanted to put a couple of photographs onto the site. I have been very careful not to include any distinguishable body parts or hair etc in the pics in order to keep within the site rules. However I had my pics removed after 3 days without warning. I thought maybe they had failed to load properly so added them again. The second time I was given a final warning and told my account would be deleted if I tried again to load the photographs.
I just think that the rules are a little over the top. We are all adults and only members of this site for one reason, to have fun, I don't really appreciate being treated like a child and told if I don't stick within the rules my membership will be revoked.
You don't have to look too far on the gallery feature to notice that dozens and dozens of profiles have third parties involved in their photographs.
So, Come on SH team.. lighten up on the daft rules on the photographs and allow us all to have a little fun on here and not left to feel like we dare not attempt to do anything for fear of losing our membership's...
Siena xx

We have had pictures revoked as one was just of my bike and nothing else. dunno
You will have to realise this site has more rules than anything else I have ever seen...check them all out, but it will take a while. lol
Yes the common discussion has been many times about how supposed " adults " seem to be treated like children a lot. As long as there are no third party faces shown where is the problem? I dont even think you can have a cat or a dog in your pics...how silly is that?
I must admit I agree with what you have written, but the owners or the people who run the site will not change the way it is run. You will just have to ask teacher if you want to use the toilet. lol
As far as I am aware and may be wrong, the people who vet the pictures have opposing views it seems. Because what one person WILL allow another wil NOT. That is why some have third party pics and others do not. Either have a rule that everyone sticks to, or get rid of it...my opinion of course.
Thanks so much for the replies... I thought i was just me that felt victimised!! 3/4's of all the members in my friends column have other peeps in their pics but I seem to be getting singled out every time! Do you think if enough people got together we could ask them to review the rule???
I hope we dont all get banned for mentioning all this!!
xxx
Siena xx
This an open forum for people to discuss things and that includes things we do not like about the site. Even the most popular people get critised at times.
I am sure the people who run the show will put an answer on this thread. As members we are entitled to opinions, and saying something is not likely to break the AUP. I hope. lol
Quote by sexy_bi_minx
Thanks so much for the replies... I thought i was just me that felt victimised!! 3/4's of all the members in my friends column have other peeps in their pics but I seem to be getting singled out every time! Do you think if enough people got together we could ask them to review the rule???
I hope we dont all get banned for mentioning all this!!
xxx
Siena xx

If you see pictures which are the same style as yours were and feel agrieved then report the picture dunno
Quote by flower411

Thanks so much for the replies... I thought i was just me that felt victimised!! 3/4's of all the members in my friends column have other peeps in their pics but I seem to be getting singled out every time! Do you think if enough people got together we could ask them to review the rule???
I hope we dont all get banned for mentioning all this!!
xxx
Siena xx

If you see pictures which are the same style as yours were and feel agrieved then report the picture dunno
To be fair ...that`s not what they want is it ?? lol
As has already been mentioned some mods may well be a little bit more zealous when checking pics and the people who complain about pics know who to complain to !!
i knew thats not what they really wanted but also to be fair as the job of vetting pictures is done by humans then there is always going to be differing opinions on what is allowed and what isn't....
The only way to avoid this is to have 1 single person vet all pictures but there are way too many for that to be viable as it would be a full time job and then some..
I cant really see an easy answer dunno
Quote by Steve

Thanks so much for the replies... I thought i was just me that felt victimised!! 3/4's of all the members in my friends column have other peeps in their pics but I seem to be getting singled out every time! Do you think if enough people got together we could ask them to review the rule???
I hope we dont all get banned for mentioning all this!!
xxx
Siena xx

If you see pictures which are the same style as yours were and feel agrieved then report the picture dunno
This is exactly the reply I received from the Admin staff... In other words sorry yours got banned but feel free to grass up everyone else you manage to find on SH with similar pics so we can remove them as well!!!!
This is not why I have posted a topic... The point is to get over the silly rules and behave like adults.. Their is nothing wrong with pics which everyone consents to being happy having on their profiles.. If I was sad enough I could spend the next 6 months reporting photo's off the gallery.. My point is to relax the rules a little and stop treating us all like boarding school children!!!!
Siena x
ok another i am not happy with but now stick to ..... you go round to someones house for a meet n show it on cam ... but only the account holder alowed to type ... even tho everyone at the meet is a fully paid up member of the site
A cpl of Questions....
If you was to put the pics into your private gallery with bits of others on, are they still allowed to remove them confused:
By right's they shouldn't, should they confused: Wouldn't that be underminding your privacy if they do confused:
Lil
Yes lilmiss they can remove them wherever you have them in your photograph section. All pics have to be approved before they are allowed... I guess it just depends who agrees them on the day... 2 of mine were removed 4 days after going on my profile... sad
xxx
Quote by sexy_bi_minx
Yes lilmiss they can remove them wherever you have them in your photograph section. All pics have to be approved before they are allowed... I guess it just depends who agrees them on the day... 2 of mine were removed 4 days after going on my profile... sad
xxx

I know they can in your normal proto section... but im talking about your private bit where you have to send an invite for any1 to view them?
Or is it the same thing?
Hello Siena wave
The AUP is not there to annoy people... it's there because it has to be. sad There are certain aspects of data protection legislation which say that people have to give their permission to their image being used. :scared:
I can only imagine how much sh1t the mods have to wade through each day weeding out the stuff that shouldn't be here so I'm not surprised that some pictures get through on a "benefit of the doubt" card. But I can't imagine any way the site could verify that permission has been granted in every single case. Removing a picture is the safest way of protecting everyone concerned, even if it's only done when someone uses the report button.
Taking all that into account, I do feel that a warning is not always the best approach. A brief note explaining why your pics were removed would probably have saved all this discussion. :thumbup:
Anyway, take some time to hang out in the Cafe some more and get to know the admin team. They're not all as bad as they're made out to be. bolt
Quote by Lilmiss
Yes lilmiss they can remove them wherever you have them in your photograph section. All pics have to be approved before they are allowed... I guess it just depends who agrees them on the day... 2 of mine were removed 4 days after going on my profile... sad
xxx

I know they can in your normal proto section... but im talking about your private bit where you have to send an invite for any1 to view them?
Or is it the same thing?
It's the same thing - your pictures still have to be approved before they can appear in your private gallery. Otherwise some people could post all kinds of naughty/illegal stuff. And I think that mods can view private galleries without invite.
Quote by cu3b4ll
Hello Siena wave
The AUP is not there to annoy people... it's there because it has to be. sad There are certain aspects of data protection legislation which say that people have to give their permission to their image being used. :scared:

Just a slight correction. the Data Protection Act doesn't cover images, just personal information held in a database in electronic form.
Basically SH is circumventing the requirement for model release forms by simply not allowing 3rd parties in the image. That said, if a person is unidentifiable then those rules/laws do not apply.
Quote by sexy_bi_minx
My point is to relax the rules a little and stop treating us all like boarding school children!!!!

The trouble is, you can't do right for doing wrong. You relax the rules and then there's a barage of "but the rules are so vague, we don't know what's ok and whats not" type posts/messages/comments.
Many many people who browse profiles often tick the 'only show profiles/ads with photographs' button. I know when I've done it, it's because I want to see a pic of the account holder. I don't want to see a picture of a car, or a bike, or of a third party where you can't tell in the pic which ones the account holder and whos not.
At a glance I wanted to be able to see the account holder - even if most of the time it was a cock shot and still didn't have a clue to the rest of him :undecided: lol
So long as the photo is MAINLY of the account holder(s) and any third party is totally unrecognisable, I don't think you can go far wrong (making allowances for 'whoops wrong button' authing redface ). Also of course, being careful about the background chosen for the photo, another minefield at times confused
ok another i am not happy with but now stick to ..... you go round to someones house for a meet n show it on cam ... but only the account holder alowed to type ... even tho everyone at the meet is a fully paid up member of the site

Then the fully paid up members can surely sign on in their own name? I see where you're coming from tho, but unfortunately it's open to abuse as well as confusing for other members chatting to who they think is the account holder, when in fact it's an account holders mate.
Accounts are for the holders only, for people to say a little bit about themselves, to show people a pic or two of themselves - not for someone else to go and act in your name, or for pictures of people that are nothing to do with the account, to be displayed confused
There's so much more to this, there are hundreds of scenarios, and we've had them all in as complaints, it really is a minefield. One of them situations which will always be wrong in some peoples eyes, change the regulations and they'll be wrong in other peoples eyes.
Quote by sparky33
Missy, is the pic we are seeing here of you? And recognisable as so?
Not being argumentative, just testing a point you just made.

Yes it's me, but not a recognisable pic no.
I see what you're getting at here (I think blink ). You're going to say that the pic could well be not of me but of a third party. Unfortunately there is noway of telling and rely on reports when photos get stolen.........
Although you would look a bit of a narna if you turned up for a meet and looked nothing like "your" photo :shock:
If it clarifies things a bit more, then I have had PMs, very nice ones (thank you kiss ) from strangers saying they like the photos and think I look nice (hence face being blanked out, to the nice comments don't grind to a screeching halt :undecided: ). Every single message the person has presumed that the photo is of me, the account holder, the holder of the account, account holder the, moi, me, account of the holder. So I imagine that everyone presumes the pics are of the account holder, which might be confusing if there's a third party in the pic to the point where it's indistinguishable as to who is the account holder and who is nothing to do with the account whatsoever?
Confused myself now!! :lol2: blink
Quote by cu3b4ll
Hello Siena wave
The AUP is not there to annoy people... it's there because it has to be. sad There are certain aspects of data protection legislation which say that people have to give their permission to their image being used. :scared:
I can only imagine how much sh1t the mods have to wade through each day weeding out the stuff that shouldn't be here so I'm not surprised that some pictures get through on a "benefit of the doubt" card. But I can't imagine any way the site could verify that permission has been granted in every single case. Removing a picture is the safest way of protecting everyone concerned, even if it's only done when someone uses the report button.
Taking all that into account, I do feel that a warning is not always the best approach. A brief note explaining why your pics were removed would probably have saved all this discussion. :thumbup:
Anyway, take some time to hang out in the Cafe some more and get to know the admin team. They're not all as bad as they're made out to be. bolt

Hiya cu3b4ll,
I didn't say that anyone from the admin team was bad... I know they are only doing there job. My point was that If they continue to stamp out all the pictures of people having fun and wanting to share it with fellow members then the genuine ones are going to find somewhere they are allowed to do it.. I understand that the gallery is open to abuse.. but surely their are enough members on here to stop repeat offenders posting false pics or pics of other members.. I have had my pics used by other members in the past, and it was dealt with swiftly.
My point is... that litrally hundreds of members have pics of third parties on their galleries and have no problem...
I have not attempted to post any pics with recognisable body parts on show but have been theatened with a ban.. If admin contacted all the people breaking site AUP they would lose 50% of their members..
The idea that the best way to deal with it is to report all the photo's I see that break site AUP myself is ridiculous.. That is the opposite that I want to do! I just think it's unfair....
Siena
Quote by Missy
Missy, is the pic we are seeing here of you? And recognisable as so?
Not being argumentative, just testing a point you just made.

Yes it's me, but not a recognisable pic no.
I see what you're getting at here (I think blink ). You're going to say that the pic could well be not of me but of a third party. Unfortunately there is noway of telling and rely on reports when photos get stolen.........
Although you would look a bit of a narna if you turned up for a meet and looked nothing like "your" photo :shock:
If it clarifies things a bit more, then I have had PMs, very nice ones (thank you kiss ) from strangers saying they like the photos and think I look nice (hence face being blanked out, to the nice comments don't grind to a screeching halt :undecided: ). Every single message the person has presumed that the photo is of me, the account holder, the holder of the account, account holder the, moi, me, account of the holder. So I imagine that everyone presumes the pics are of the account holder, which might be confusing if there's a third party in the pic to the point where it's indistinguishable as to who is the account holder and who is nothing to do with the account whatsoever?
Confused myself now!! :lol2: blink
<blatant hijack>
Just "researched" missy's pics sillyhwoar:

The man dont half look bad either
<blatant hijack over>
This question is not aimed at anyone, but is just a geneal one for anyone who cares to answer. What I cant understand is anyone would you want to put photos of other people on their profile? Surely the pics are to show others what you look like and not what your swinging friends look like? Also, by posting photos which show other people (recognisable or not) doesnt this just make the person look indescrete?
Like I said, this is not aimed at anyone in particular but more of a general questionand is MY personal view and nothing to do with the site rules about posting pics.
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
This question is not aimed at anyone, but is just a geneal one for anyone who cares to answer. What I cant understand is anyone would you want to put photos of other people on their profile? Surely the pics are to show others what you look like and not what your swinging friends look like? Also, by posting photos which show other people (recognisable or not) doesnt this just make the person look indescrete?
Like I said, this is not aimed at anyone in particular but more of a general questionand is MY personal view and nothing to do with the site rules about posting pics.

For example the image I had deleted is a pic of someone about to put their hand on my stiff bit. The reason I tried to upload it is to show me doing something other than some generic, and ultimately boring cock shot. Other people like to show that they have actually indulged in the activity they came here for in the first place.
If admin keep up this attempt at totally homogenising the gallery into a generic butcher's catalogue then they are going to lose a lot of custom. In my experience the gallery is what a lot of first timers go for. If all they are greeted with is a boring collection of images then they are going to get a mental image of this place that just isn't true.
we had a warning from admin for showing other people in our photos, they were all SH members and had consented to the photos of a party we had at our place. we had a lot of great feedback from members who viewed the photos but I couldn't be bothered to argue the point with admin. I just thought they were a good advert for the site.
third party pictures rules need to be much clearer,because now and again we seem to fall foul of it,but two things i dont understand is..it takes over 24hrs from uploading new pics to be verified by the site why cant they decline it then and secondly if they can allow third party faces on cams what the big deal about having faceless consented pics of third parties on profile,..
Quote by Whipsnspurs
thought i also ought to say that;
if everyone involved in the pic agrees to it being used i really don't see what the problem is. all it takes is a pm from that person to the mods to say so. likewise, if they change their minds it should be taken off.
whips

The reason it would cause an issue is because if we allowed third party pics in this way, they would be reported time and time again. Admin and Mods would be trying to explain many times why a third person shot has been allowed.
We would also get the people saying, 'their pics are allowed, why aren't mine?', causing much more work.
BTW, if you consider the amount of pictures we do have onsite, this is a very small issue. Some weekends we have close on 1 picture a minute uploaded. You really can look at too much filth :twisted:
Quote by Dawnie
thought i also ought to say that;
if everyone involved in the pic agrees to it being used i really don't see what the problem is. all it takes is a pm from that person to the mods to say so. likewise, if they change their minds it should be taken off.
whips

The reason it would cause an issue is because if we allowed third party pics in this way, they would be reported time and time again. Admin and Mods would be trying to explain many times why a third person shot has been allowed.
We would also get the people saying, 'their pics are allowed, why aren't mine?', causing much more work.
BTW, if you consider the amount of pictures we do have onsite,this is a very small issue. Some weekends we have close on 1 picture a minute uploaded. You really can look at too much filth :twisted:
this is not a small issue by far check the polls,i once had 10 of my pics deleted without my knowledge including the ones i was by myself...the rules are very clear on this third party issue but it seems so misinterpreted
I checked the poll, 22 people have voted but we have thousands of members confused
I'm not picking fault about the dicsussion here, not at all. Just trying to put it into perspective ;)
Quote by Dawnie
thought i also ought to say that;
if everyone involved in the pic agrees to it being used i really don't see what the problem is. all it takes is a pm from that person to the mods to say so. likewise, if they change their minds it should be taken off.
whips

The reason it would cause an issue is because if we allowed third party pics in this way, they would be reported time and time again. Admin and Mods would be trying to explain many times why a third person shot has been allowed.
We would also get the people saying, 'their pics are allowed, why aren't mine?', causing much more work.
BTW, if you consider the amount of pictures we do have onsite, this is a very small issue. Some weekends we have close on 1 picture a minute uploaded. You really can look at too much filth :twisted:
This is all sounding very silly to me.
Take a scenario where I want to put pics up but not of me or mrs777. So we get a couple of pictures from the web and put them up on our profile. How does SH know they are us or not, as the case maybe?
In my opinion as long as no third party faces are shown, where is the big deal?? It is very clear to me that each mod sees things differently on this site. Why the hell cant mods get together with admin and reach a decision that EVERYONE agrees to? It does not help at all when one will and one wont. Where is the bloody sense in that?
In my view it is so easy to sort out but for that to happen the mods have to have clear guidelines as to what is or not allowed. How hard is that?
This a subject thats been debated in the mods lounge and discussed a few times, the rules have evolved and changed over the years and each time we have all tried to consider whats best for the site, people using the site and people appearing in photo's without them knowing.
It may not be perfect and it will never be 100% consistent unless we approve pretty much everything, there's also photo's on the site approved at different times when differing guidelines were in place.
The admins and moderators all have differing opinions but we discuss come up with what we all think is the best way to do this and implement it.
I'm not picking on you kentswingers777 but I thought as you had taken the time to look at the other posts and put in some scenarios it would be a good point in this thread to add some comments in addition to those posted earlier by Dawnie and NWC.
Quote by kentswingers777
Take a scenario where I want to put pics up but not of me or mrs777. So we get a couple of pictures from the web and put them up on our profile. How does SH know they are us or not, as the case maybe?

We don't know for sure, but all pics get reviewed and the blatently obvious ones get deleted, also if any member spots one they can report it and this does happen a lot. You would get found out eventually. It is a problem though and in some cases when reports come in we do make people provide additional evidence.
Quote by kentswingers777
In my opinion as long as no third party faces are shown, where is the big deal?? It is very clear to me that each mod sees things differently on this site. Why the hell cant mods get together with admin and reach a decision that EVERYONE agrees to? It does not help at all when one will and one wont. Where is the bloody sense in that?

You can blank out the faces but in some cases that may not be enough, hence the wording;
The photo should be mainly of the account holder(s), only non-distinguishable parts of third parties can be shown.
Before you post a picture containing the part of a third party defined above, you must have the approval of that person and be able to produce it to Admin, if required. If a complaint is received from someone who claims to be in the picture and is not happy about it, the onus of proof of permission will be on you.

So far as getting everyone together, it does happen and I think my opening comments cover that.
Quote by kentswingers777
In my view it is so easy to sort out but for that to happen the mods have to have clear guidelines as to what is or not allowed. How hard is that?

It needs some work as even with what we have in place we do have some anomalies and its not that easy as people will not always interpret things in the same way, but as I said right at the start, it something that we discuss.
One thing I'd like to add, I've looked through lots of accounts when there have been complaints and there are a lot of scenarios, now if I was a member looking through accounts and came across the following what sort of impression would I get from the following;
I view a couples account and I see lots of photos of a male appearing with different females, which two own this account?
I view another couples account and there's the same female in every photo, sometimes she is with a one guy and sometimes its someone else?
I view a another account and every photo has 5 people in it, so which ones are the account holders.
In the case of singles featuring others, the mainly of the account holder should prevail, mostly the account holder with a little of the other party.