Should we storm Parliament Square?

16 Sep 2004

Quote by rogerthedragon
In the countryside foxes are like rats you let people kill rats however they want to so just because he looks nice they aren't allowed to anymore!

In which case, why not just shoot them? What's all the baloney with hounds and horses about? Let's be honest, it's not about pest control, it's about preserving a country sport and a bit of fun ...
Good point, but teaching the dogs to shoot straight is real bugger.
:lol2: You know what I mean! :lol2:

16 Sep 2004

Quote by JQL
I do not believe an elected minority (of any particular hue or leaning) has the right to impose it's will on the majority.

john it's a fact of life, the minority always imposes it's will on the majority, cos power lies with the minority who have power to wield, and it does not lie at grass roots level. and yes it's wrong, but till we have a solution to it, we are stumped.
Leeds was always Labour controlled, by a huge margin, till the last local elections, which, as you say, says a lot about Tony Blair. that did not stop Thatcherism from destroying most of the communities in Leeds did it? we didn't vote for her i can tell you. but she still fucked us! if you should see the estates i've lived on? that were always decent places to live till the guts were ripped out of them by shame and poverty and unemployment and shite schools and below minimum wage jobs exploiting the underclass created by Thatchers destruction of the mining and manufacturing industries, cos she had to break the unions! christ i couldn't begin to tell you the damage i've seen! i don't have a solution to it. i wish i did. but minority government is the norm. until we change that and make government truly accountable and representative, we will continue to have this kind of debate! and the democratic process goes nowhere.
until such time as we have true majority government and true democracy, we can only hope a moral argument, for once, prevails.
neil x x x ;-)

16 Sep 2004

Quote by JonJon
Not a problem Roger. One trains them on peasants.
Oops, my lawyer advises me that should read "pheasants" ;)

What you train them on depends on their background and sympathies.
If they are pure bred you use pheasants but only during the season.
If they are from the hound aristocracy (Or republicans) then peasants are fine - it is prefered though if they of an ethnic minority and homeless first though.
If they are crossed with a council estate pitbull you just hand them the gun and they shoot what the F*** like.
If they are neutered you train them on bio-degradable clay pigeons whilst using lead free shot and then give them Tofu as a reward.
It's all bloody complicated.

17 Sep 2004

Quote by Lovecommando
I wonder if any of you country alliance people who are old enough to remember the miners protests at the closure of the mining industry in the mid 1980s were supporting the miners when their livelihood was under threat.

This is "said" to be the reason for the current ban, a get back (if you will), as part of a class struggle. However the re-alignment of Union power, of which the miners opposition was the most prominent part, was at the end of the day a re-alignment. It was not a ban on Unions wholesale.

17 Sep 2004

Well i heard on a news program yesterday that in scotland where it is already banned. They had 10 hunts before the ban they have 10 hutns after the ban and all they do differently if they get the dogs to corner the fox and then they shoot it instead of letting the dogs kill it.
If you banned hunting fox population would grow fast and then it would be a problem then everyone would ask them to be culled!

17 Sep 2004

Quote by Riff Raff
People who engage in this activity are perverts.

Well, I am not a hunter who kills for pleasure, and it pains me to kill rats and mice even though I see its necessity, but if the legislation is based on animal welfare and not class struggle why is ratting with a terrier excluded? (as I believe it is though I have not read the bill).
A rat is a wiley and clever animal and I am sure if feels the same level of fear when my little dog is baying for its blood and I am heaving boxes out of its way to help, just as the fox does.
Before I get flamed for this, I am not supposing that posh people fox hunt and poor people rat, both do both, only that the effect of the legislation is obviously aimed at one community.

17 Sep 2004

Quote by agricola
I saw appalling cruelty to dumb animals only this morning. It was horrific. That kind of transportation should be made illegal!!! They were squashed into dirty, poorly ventilated, outdated equipment; they had no access to water although many were showing signs of distress; they looked sullen and depressed, their eyes looked sunken, they were totally unable to carry out any of the functions appropriate to their species; and the worst thing?....nobody seemed to care. Barbarism, pure barbarism....
...and if the Victoria line has ONE more signal breakdown...I'm taking a cab!!

Here here! Too many small slaughterhouses have been put out of business and the practice of bussing animals hundreds of miles for auction and/or slaughter is completely offensive. I will add a legal 50 mile limit on the transportation of live animals when I am made supreme dictator, (as I ought to be).
But I wouldn't ban fox hunting. As I said in an earlier post, much greater cruelties exist towards animals on a daily industrial basis.