What's happening this evening in London is what happens when one element of the country decides to deny the ancient civil rights of another element in the country. We have Government and Policing by the consent of the population, perhaps we should also protest in Parliament Square in support of the ancient practive of dogging?
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Should we storm Parliament Square?
Balls.
I live in the country.
When I lived in cheshire, the bastard hounds killed my cat in my garden...
All those plonkers and their dogs can get lost.
Elected government, elected on a manifesto promise to end hunting with dogs.
Hopefully, the democratic right to hunt an animal to death will soon end.
Country people, heavily subsidised by town and city people.
I live in the country.
When I lived in cheshire, the bastard hounds killed my cat in my garden...
All those plonkers and their dogs can get lost.
Elected government, elected on a manifesto promise to end hunting with dogs.
Hopefully, the democratic right to hunt an animal to death will soon end.
Country people, heavily subsidised by town and city people.
Sex God
i have rode in over 40 hunts not in this country but ur situation is unusual to me and i'm displzd to here it happened to u
but we look for our way of life to b accepted
i have enjoyed both
the hunt is more as a munch would b the social side
foxes r a pain i have helped cleaned up from them i have also seen them play on my friends patio thy r visualy nice creatures
but why is hunting rats with terriors not included in the bill my view all areas should be allowed to say what is vermin not just townies
hope i have been open enough to give a side to the dispute with out seen as ignorant
but we look for our way of life to b accepted
i have enjoyed both
the hunt is more as a munch would b the social side
foxes r a pain i have helped cleaned up from them i have also seen them play on my friends patio thy r visualy nice creatures
but why is hunting rats with terriors not included in the bill my view all areas should be allowed to say what is vermin not just townies
hope i have been open enough to give a side to the dispute with out seen as ignorant
leprechaun I dont think your ignorant, you speek the truth. Where does this idea that the rural areas are subsdised by the city, its complete noncence in the country we have the same taxes both nationaly and local yet dont enjoy the same transport systems conveniences etc that the city enjoy.
I work in the city and live rural.
Take a look at the devastation the fox can cause.
As for democratic goverment the majority of voters for this government did not come from the rural areas, and lets face it democracy has nothing to do with this vote its all to do with left wing and pc correct loud individuals.
Many rural people are indiferent to to fox hunting but see this as a sponsored attack on there way of life.
I work in the city and live rural.
Take a look at the devastation the fox can cause.
As for democratic goverment the majority of voters for this government did not come from the rural areas, and lets face it democracy has nothing to do with this vote its all to do with left wing and pc correct loud individuals.
Many rural people are indiferent to to fox hunting but see this as a sponsored attack on there way of life.
Sex God
mate u put it a lot better than me
what some rurals pay as rates and get in services r a joke 2 townies (ps i live in manchesters higher paying tax areas)
long live the hunt dogging swinging wanking perving etc
what some rurals pay as rates and get in services r a joke 2 townies (ps i live in manchesters higher paying tax areas)
long live the hunt dogging swinging wanking perving etc
Sex God
Quote by stevio
Agreed its a shame that the country side life is decided by city people who dont understand the way of life
Country life isnt decided by the city people, its decided by the government, big difference.
Sex God
is not a big diference genhertscpls
look at the distrabution of voters the majority r living in suburbia
look at the distrabution of voters the majority r living in suburbia
Sex God
Thats a very black and white opinion.
Just because someone votes for a party, whoever they voted for doesnt always win. Then the parliament MP's vote on the papers/bill, not the general voters. So you can be a Labour supporter, but not necessary agree with all their policies.
Its rather naive to think that city people decide what happens in the country, its wayyyyyyyyyy more complex than that. :jagsatwork:
Just because someone votes for a party, whoever they voted for doesnt always win. Then the parliament MP's vote on the papers/bill, not the general voters. So you can be a Labour supporter, but not necessary agree with all their policies.
Its rather naive to think that city people decide what happens in the country, its wayyyyyyyyyy more complex than that. :jagsatwork:
So genhertscouple if your way of life and your livelyhood was affected by the goverment, or your right to enjoy your civil liberties was taken away by what you feel to be a none representative government, you would not lobby and argue for your rights.
And should you feel that the goverment was being manipulated by minorities that dont understand, you would not fight back.
It is not naieve to fight for your rights to protect your livelyhood, nore is it wrong for a large part of the country to protest against a totaly unrepresentative government.
And should you feel that the goverment was being manipulated by minorities that dont understand, you would not fight back.
It is not naieve to fight for your rights to protect your livelyhood, nore is it wrong for a large part of the country to protest against a totaly unrepresentative government.
Warming the Bed
a great day for annimals !!!! hunting with dogs banned,excellent, see them poor protesters on tv moaning because a policeman belted them with there truncheon for nothing, better than getting ripped to bits by a pack of dogs for nothing i suppose!!
cheap tax in the country your having a laugh, we live in devon, crap buses one a day to the main city, and it leaves for its return journey after 20 mins??????? we pay £150 a month council tax and we were burgled last month and the police took 3 days to turn up have it easy us country folk,,,,,lots of good dogging sites though if only the bloody boy racers and headlight lovers would sod off ,arrgghh
Sex God
Quote by stevio
So genhertscouple if your way of life and your livelyhood was affected by the goverment, or your right to enjoy your civil liberties was taken away by what you feel to be a none representative government, you would not lobby and argue for your rights.
And should you feel that the goverment was being manipulated by minorities that dont understand, you would not fight back.
It is not naieve to fight for your rights to protect your livelyhood, nore is it wrong for a large part of the country to protest against a totaly unrepresentative government.
I think you need to read what i said again.
1. I never said i wouldnt fight for my rights.
2. I dont try and blame the wrong person for the decision making
3. My way of life has and is affected by the government (have lost money)
4. My husbands civil liberties have been taken away, affecting his livelyhood (more loss of money to support his family)
5. Where did I say "its wrong for a large part of the country to protest against a totally unrepresentative government"
6. I think the government has its own agenda, irrespective of us 'little' people
My original message was to say, dont blame city folk for what the goverment have done or doing, thats unfair and an ignorant stance to take. I did not at any point, mention anything about not standing up for our rights.
As for where I live, I also dont live in the city, its a small town in the countryside and my out-laws live in a very very small village, so I see both sides of the coin. We are on the outskirts of London, and we pay the price for that at times, yet, we live in the countryside so dont have brilliant public transport etc, just cant win
PS. althought i believe in standiing up for our rights, I'd never go to a rally again. We got caught up in the Poll Tax Riots in London iin the 80's, we had to run for our lives because of millitants chasing us and others with Pick Axes, baseball bats, axes, poles, its was absolutely terrifying. We escaped by running down a tube station and getting on any train that was there. Even after all these years, it gives me chills.
herts couple you say that you live in a small town just outside london with higher taxes and less public transport. But im sure you'd be first on the protest march, sitdown etc. if they decided to run a train track, bypass, all night bus service right outside your house!
at the end of the day no matter what the government says or does, no matter what party is in power, there will always be some people pissed off...thats the glory of democracy and be glad that you can voice your opinions at least (without some secret police locking you up like Russia!)
Also if you read the first post. it was a call to arms in support of dogging! i dont think you should be voicing your POLITICAL reasons in the dogging section to be honest. Maybe take it to the cafe and save this board from the more important stuff.
so there!
at the end of the day no matter what the government says or does, no matter what party is in power, there will always be some people pissed off...thats the glory of democracy and be glad that you can voice your opinions at least (without some secret police locking you up like Russia!)
Also if you read the first post. it was a call to arms in support of dogging! i dont think you should be voicing your POLITICAL reasons in the dogging section to be honest. Maybe take it to the cafe and save this board from the more important stuff.
so there!
Sex God
Quote by downanddirty
Also if you read the first post. it was a call to arms in support of dogging! i dont think you should be voicing your POLITICAL reasons in the dogging section to be honest. Maybe take it to the cafe and save this board from the more important stuff.
Doesnt this apply to you too then? pmsl
ps. I already have one of the biggest arteries leadiing into London at the bottom of my garden, i cant really compain there!!
pss. You all have missed my origiinal point here, thinkiing about your own argument, instead of actually reading what i typed.
Quote by venom
a great day for animals !!!! hunting with dogs banned,excellent, see them poor protesters on tv moaning because a policeman belted them with there truncheon for nothing, better than getting ripped to bits by a pack of dogs for nothing i suppose!!
Actually it's a bad day for animals, and in particular for the fox. Now they will be controlled by shooting, literally hit and miss may die in agony days later or become lame and ultimately starve. Poisoning, may not eat enough and other animals may eat also.
At the moment the fox leads a free life under the stars "hunting" unless and until it is caught. Excepting vegetarians, animals are slaughtered in a dreadful way in our name daily with NO chance of escape and with NO chance of dignity. Take a close look at a chicken processing plant if you dare!
If I was making any banning orders I would start by banning the keeping of all live things in cages. To live your life in a birdcage instead of in Africa under the stars is an affront to nature and offensive to me.
I do not wish to go fox hunting, but I would defend others rights to do so because the argument is A. Deeply flawed and B. Deeply selective. Governments should move policy in the direction the electorate want it moved, they should not remove the civil liberties of one group of the people simply at the behest of another. Rant over.
Sex God
Dutifully moved to the cafe.
As you were, folks
As you were, folks
Well I refuse to get embroiled in a political debate ................
................other than to say. With regard to the hunters sticking up for their rights ..oh would that they were so supportive of rights when they operated as exploitative employers during the middle ages and the industrial revolution.
Sorry ..I shall move on in peaceful harmony now .
................other than to say. With regard to the hunters sticking up for their rights ..oh would that they were so supportive of rights when they operated as exploitative employers during the middle ages and the industrial revolution.
Sorry ..I shall move on in peaceful harmony now .
Sex God
i know it is slighty off topic... but can i bring up something i noticed....
when "batman" invaded buckingham palace, i heard so many people that he could have been a terrorist and should have been shot.....
yet i saw five people yesterday invade the houses of parliment yesterday and do i hear the same reaction?????
and this was more sinister....they dressed up as builders to blend in, they got help from the inside, and aperently did a reccy the day before... even the BBC had a tip-off to say what was happening the day before.....
so why the double standard???
sean xxxxx
when "batman" invaded buckingham palace, i heard so many people that he could have been a terrorist and should have been shot.....
yet i saw five people yesterday invade the houses of parliment yesterday and do i hear the same reaction?????
and this was more sinister....they dressed up as builders to blend in, they got help from the inside, and aperently did a reccy the day before... even the BBC had a tip-off to say what was happening the day before.....
so why the double standard???
sean xxxxx
Sex God
So genhertscouple if your way of life and your livelyhood was affected by the goverment, or your right to enjoy your civil liberties was taken away by what you feel to be a none representative government, you would not lobby and argue for your rights.
i know i've quoted but this is a general response to it . . not personal . . . it's quite an emotive issue . . . .
if your livelihood depends on barbarism, like sending dozens of hounds after a solitary fox who can't return to it's den cos you've just boarded it up, ((( and don't tell me that doesn't happen i know it does! ))) then i'm sorry but i'm glad to see you out of work. you think we don't have foxes in the towns? we have hundreds round here. so they kill chickens? and cats? and any other food stuff they can find? big deal! you stick a load of food in a convenient place, of course they will. they are predators! protect your stock. don't slaughter the population. the same farmers who drove birds of prey like the red kite to near extinction want it all their own way, and i can no longer find badgers near me cos they are being gassed to protect cows! no!!!!!
you are responsible for your stock, you protect it. spend some money on decent fencing and proper protection. i'll leave the trespass on those who disagree with hunting for another day!
neil x x ;-)
Orgasminator
Approximately 25% of the electorate voted Labour ergo 75% didn't.
Any Politician, from any party, who states they have a mandate from the people with those sorts of results is an unscrupulous bigot (oops sorry, that’s what politicians are).
Iraq was the start, Fox Hunting proved it. Whether you were for or against either or both is not the issue. The Government are ignoring the 75% who didn't vote for them. A lot of people I have spoken to are now talking about the need for a change to the political system. All I can say is I dearly hope its peaceful.
Tony Blair may come to be remembered as the Prime Minister who caused a "sea change" in British Politics.
Any Politician, from any party, who states they have a mandate from the people with those sorts of results is an unscrupulous bigot (oops sorry, that’s what politicians are).
Iraq was the start, Fox Hunting proved it. Whether you were for or against either or both is not the issue. The Government are ignoring the 75% who didn't vote for them. A lot of people I have spoken to are now talking about the need for a change to the political system. All I can say is I dearly hope its peaceful.
Tony Blair may come to be remembered as the Prime Minister who caused a "sea change" in British Politics.
I would have thought a one to one shoot, on the land where they trespass is ok so to speak. Like if you have mice in your house, a trap is fine, but dont kill em if they are outside in the garden. I am not into killing wildlife, but if they are causing havoc, you have little choice...HOWEVER to chase it miles with baying hounds, on horseback until it is absolutely bolloxed, amd then torn apart alive by baying hounds and called a 'sport', is beyond me.
Sex God
Quote by JQL
Approximately 25% of the electorate voted Labour ergo 75% didn't.
Any Politician, from any party, who states they have a mandate from the people with those sorts of results is an unscrupulous bigot (oops sorry, that’s what politicians are).
Iraq was the start, Fox Hunting proved it. Whether you were for or against either or both is not the issue. The Government are ignoring the 75% who didn't vote for them. A lot of people I have spoken to are now talking about the need for a change to the political system. All I can say is I dearly hope its peaceful.
Tony Blair may come to be remembered as the Prime Minister who caused a "sea change" in British Politics.
well john i agree with you 100% on that one anyway. there is no such thing as a mandate, ever. all governemnets are effectively minority governments. i can't remember seeing over 50% of the populace electing any government ever? i'll be happy to be corrected on this one?
what we have is elected dictatorship.
there is no real choice as far as the two main parties goes. they will rule according to the same rules, regardless of whether they claim to be left or right wing, and implement the same agenda. differences in tone and degree are all we get.
we have the mockery of a democratic process that allows us to voice our displeasure with one set or the other every 4 years or so, but there is no change from one government to the next. how is Labour any different from the Tories. i see no change where i live? the agendas are identical. where is the democratic process? nowhere! we are ruled by corporations, not government, and government simply serves the corporate gods, no matter what the cost!
unfortunately Single Issue Politics solves nothing. lobbying parliament achieves very little, unless it is in government's populist interests. the socialist project is dead. long live capital!
neil x x x ;-)
Quote by stevio
Agreed its a shame that the country side life is decided by city people who dont understand the way of life
I love the countryside and go there whenever I can, I love to see the horsed with their red coat riders galloping across the fields, also, the hounds and the sound of the trumpet as they take part in the chase.
What is abhorrent to me, is the sight of a fox being torn to peices alive, who? with an ounce of compassion in their soul would wish to bring such suffering to any life, only a fox! you say ! yes ! and that animal feels the pain just as much as we do.
Why don't those who practise this barbarity, take the place of the fox and see if they still think it is right! and while we are on the subject, why not bring back the slave trade and at the same time re-introduce capital punishment, they are all forms of mindless brutality towards any type of living creature !!!
:x :x Quote by stevio
So genhertscouple if your way of life and your livelyhood was affected by the goverment, or your right to enjoy your civil liberties was taken away by what you feel to be a none representative government, you would not lobby and argue for your rights.
And should you feel that the goverment was being manipulated by minorities that dont understand, you would not fight back.
It is not naieve to fight for your rights to protect your livelyhood, nore is it wrong for a large part of the country to protest against a totaly unrepresentative government.
I wonder if any of you country alliance people who are old enough to remember the miners protests at the closure of the mining industry in the mid 1980s were supporting the miners when their livelihood was under threat. I suspect not! I suspect you supported Thatcher and Hesseltine and had no thought for those communities who were affected. I suspect you despised the miners for taking direct action and breaking the law. I suspect you had no sympathy at all! Well, the shoe's on the other foot now! It's funny how the far right are useing this issue to stir up dissent and cause public disorder. There is something deeper and more sinister at the heart of this protest. It is less about hunting and more about dissatisfaction with the current government and the hunting issue is merely an outward manifestation of that. It is YOU who are being manipulated. Yes you are entitled to lobby. You are entitled to fight for you rights (whatever they are) but others are entiltled to fight for their rights or the rights of others. Respect that! Just becuase you are losing the debate does not entitle you to cause havoc, at least not in an democratic society. If you want to live in a state of anarchy then go ahead, I doubt you will like the outcome! As for the 75% of you who didn't vote for this government in the election, well who's fault is that? You had the option to vote, stop complaining!
LC
Quote by stevio
So genhertscouple if your way of life and your livelyhood was affected by the goverment, or your right to enjoy your civil liberties was taken away by what you feel to be a none representative government, you would not lobby and argue for your rights.
And should you feel that the goverment was being manipulated by minorities that dont understand, you would not fight back.
It is not naieve to fight for your rights to protect your livelyhood, nore is it wrong for a large part of the country to protest against a totaly unrepresentative government.
I wonder if any of you country alliance people who are old enough to remember the miners protests at the closure of the mining industry in the mid 1980s were supporting the miners when their livelihood was under threat. I suspect not! I suspect you supported Thatcher and Hesseltine and had no thought for those communities who were affected. I suspect you despised the miners for taking direct action and breaking the law. I suspect you had no sympathy at all! Well, the shoe's on the other foot now! It's funny how the far right are useing this issue to stir up dissent and cause public disorder. There is something deeper and more sinister at the heart of this protest. It is less about hunting and more about dissatisfaction with the current government and the hunting issue is merely an outward manifestation of that. It is YOU who are being manipulated. Yes you are entitled to lobby. You are entitled to fight for you rights (whatever they are) but others are entiltled to fight for their rights or the rights of others. Respect that! Just becuase you are losing the debate does not entitle you to cause havoc, at least not in an democratic society. If you want to live in a state of anarchy then go ahead, I doubt you will like the outcome! As for the 75% of you who didn't vote for this government in the election, well who's fault is that? You had the option to vote, stop complaining!
LC
Quote by LovecommandoNice reply.
I wonder if any of you country alliance people who are old enough to remember the miners protests at the closure of the mining industry in the mid 1980s were supporting the miners when their livelihood was under threat. I suspect not! I suspect you supported Thatcher and Hesseltine and had no thought for those communities who were affected. I suspect you despised the miners for taking direct action and breaking the law. I suspect you had no sympathy at all! Well, the shoe's on the other foot now! It's funny how the far right are useing this issue to stir up dissent and cause public disorder. There is something deeper and more sinister at the heart of this protest. It is less about hunting and more about dissatisfaction with the current government and the hunting issue is merely an outward manifestation of that. It is YOU who are being manipulated. Yes you are entitled to lobby. You are entitled to fight for you rights (whatever they are) but others are entiltled to fight for their rights or the rights of others. Respect that! Just becuase you are losing the debate does not entitle you to cause havoc, at least not in an democratic society. If you want to live in a state of anarchy then go ahead, I doubt you will like the outcome! As for the 75% of you who didn't vote for this government in the election, well who's fault is that? You had the option to vote, stop complaining!
LC
To me, anyone who kills a defenseless animal for pleasure is doing something despicable. All that stuff about conservation is just a load of bollocks, during the foot and mouth crisis, hunting stopped and the fox population stayed the same.
