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hmmm ive thought long and hard about this.i dont see it as a stop gap or as a lifestyle, being a swinger doesnt define me, its just something i do, im interested in, i derive joy from and i meet friends through.
i agree with something NWC said earlier....ideally id meet someone through swinging that would become a strong and loving relationship.
if i was to meet a vanilla im pretty sure i couldnt leave my bi/swinging side behind and id want to to share it with him.....so i'd be initiating him into the fold i think. of course i would hit a dilemma if he was totally against it....but there again i cant see myself being around a man who is against it.....
ooo its all very complicated.....i will just cross my fingers and wait for a knight in swinging armour to appear wink
well put sexkitten,
i also don't think i could have a relationship with someone who was not interested on swinging at all, as i can't imagine myself committing to someone and therefore never doing it ever again. saying that i'm sure that in any relationship there are periods that u don't actually do any swinging and it is just a fantasy between the two of you but i could never put myself in a situation that would stop me from doing it ever again. i just wouldnt want to be in a situation where my fantasies could never become a reality.
saying that, i guess u never know where lifes going to take you and maybe i might meet someone who makes me change these views, but at the moment i can't imagine stopping entirely.
well put sexkitten,
i also don't think i could have a relationship with someone who was not interested on swinging at all, as i can't imagine myself committing to someone and therefore never doing it ever again. saying that i'm sure that in any relationship there are periods that u don't actually do any swinging and it is just a fantasy between the two of you but i could never put myself in a situation that would stop me from doing it ever again. i just wouldnt want to be in a situation where my fantasies could never become a reality.
saying that, i guess u never know where lifes going to take you and maybe i might meet someone who makes me change these views, but at the moment i can't imagine stopping entirely.
Is it easier for a woman to tell a new partner about her lifestyle or a man. Having seen the horrified look on a guys face I'd have to say its easier for a man.
H.x
hi
the points you raise are not only for single but are for couple in long term relationship. I am a male that has been married for 16 years, ny wife will not swing but I enjoy the lifestyle and thus we have come up with an agreement. Sex is one of the most important things that we do and it is the one thing that we should make sure that we enjoy as you are a long term dead. A partner should understand this and if she or he does not then you will end up splitting. I enjoy your points smile
Fantastic post angel kiss
Well we first took part in the scene many years ago in our mid 20’s. We hadn’t heard the term at that time, but we enjoyed sex with close friends, had parties, things got wild and it was all great fun. Then kids came along, careers etc etc. so our “swinging” was confined to pillow talk which was often part of our foreplay and we discussed and fantasised about many things.
Well the years rolled by and about 5 years ago (yes we lead a sheltered life lol we read an article all about swinging, we were both :shock: :shock: blimey girl, we’re swingers. It was at this point that we started to talk about seriously getting into the scene, and a couple of years ago decided to give it a go. We had a slow start but as the months rolled by we became quite active and one of the main joys (apart from the great people and the great sex) was what it did for us as a couple, I remember driving home after a meet one night, how we just kept glancing sideways at each other, and every time we did a huge grin would appear on our faces, it has so enhanced our relationship, that’s what it means to us.
About a year later, as some of you know, we had a really bad experience and decided to call it a day. There was a lot of upset and unhappiness for a while but we settled back into a vanilla routine, but it soon became apparent that there was something missing in our lives, and after six months we both new that we had to get back into it.
We had learned a lot of lessons in a short time, some of them the hard way, but swinging is a way of life, to us. How will we feel in a years time? Who knows, at the moment we are loving it.
To answer the last part, under what circumstances would I stop altogether only one, if Caron wanted me to, because we never loose site of the fact that we are a couple, and its our lifestyle.
Polo, you deserve an award for this thread :karaoke: :high-smile: :beer: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: passionkiss
angel chat, your post is too long to quote, and putting it in my own words would just be para-phrasing yours, so no point, but i'm in broad agreement. worship smile
swinging as a single is a whole lot easier than swinging as a couple. ((( that will come as a shock to all those thinking couples have all the advantages here eh? lol ;) ))) pleasing me bloody self is easy . . . putting my partner first gives me a whole load of things to think about! the dynamic of the whole swinging thing changes immensely!
back on topic . . .
is swinging a stop-gap? well . . . once upon a time, it might have been, when i didn't know all that much about what swinging was exactly? i found this place not long after a failed relationship, where 3-somes were discussed, but we could never have acted upon those fantasies. when i found this place, i was intrigued by those who could act on them, but i never expected that i might actually swing. then i discovered i had opportunities, and for a while i found the whole no-strings sex thing attractive. then i found out what swinging really meant to me, and found that the sex wasn't the important thing, it was the state of mind that mattered to me, and i moved on . . .
could i stop swinging? ((( and i hesitate to call myself a swinger, cos i'm a piss poor one mostly! :lol: ))) i dunno! i would have to be truthful with any new partner, and admit at some point that i've made discoveries about myself through swinging that are important to me.
if i want them to love me, then i have to allow them to love me as a i am, completely. secrets don't work in relationships i don't think? it may be that at some point i decide i've worked out my bi side, and had enough of it. i can't really say. until i reach that decision ((( if ever? ))) i think i'd have to make sure that any relationship i enter into includes the possibility that i can at least be open about being bi, even if the eventual decision is that i no longer have the opportunity or inclination to act on it?
neil x x x ;)
excellent thread polo.
i like you have often thought why do single people announce they have found love so are now leaving the site.
i have been single most of my life, i have had brief relationships and swung in some and to be honest the others did not last , probally due to having to surpress the sexual adventure side and i got bored. I would not cheat and therfore that ment i could not swing.
i have known people who will enter vanilla relationships, and they think cuse its love they can turn their backs on this lifestyle, and they then stray or feel a part is missing and thats sad.
ideally i would like to meet a man who i connect with deeper than just sex and have that vanilla relationship , but also be swingers.
im not very good with putting this over in text. sorry.
my sexual desires and drive are high . sex is sex , love is love, sex with love is great.
i do not have jelousey within me, it is friendship and sex that is shared. the love between a established couple is different.
like i said im not making much sense.
i am a swinger and always will be, i will not become vanilla, im not vanilla. i would get bored and feel surpressed. Do i risk never finding love??? probally but i can not change who i am, if someone loves me they will have to accept this is who i am.
im not looking for love i am happy in my life, work, etc, love would be the icing on my swinging cake not the cake. therfore i can have my cake and eat it.
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Just reading back on this.....

As a devout Seventh-Day Eventist (an old boyfreind's mum) once said to me "May be God just hasn't touched your heart yet", then may be some of you who decide it would be easy to return to a vanilla lifestyle haven't truely had swinging touch your heart yet.

Good God :shock: how deep was that getting.... I'm off for a shag to put the shallowness back into my life! lol :lol: :lol:
I thought they only did 3 day eventing confused
Paul
The question is a bit like do you like country and western? It may depend on how each individual defines 'swinging'.
1 Swinging is playing about between relationships.
2 Swinging is a way of life and part of a relationship.
3 Swinging is somewhere in between.
Take your pick of definitions and then answer the question.
For us we have swung in have not yet swung out.
Interesting topic.
As a single it has thrown a lot of questions and I've sat here ages trying to answer them!
I used to think this lifestyle was just a stop-gap while I was between relationships. I've always had fuck buddies for that purpose and that is how and why I initially joined the scene.
I've been here nearly two years and during part of that time had a vanilla relationship so took a break from the site for a while. Once we'd split up I came back again. My ex was not interested at all in swinging, in fact he went mad when I mentioned the site so I decided not to push it further. At that point I could live without the lifestyle.
Now things have changed. I feel a lot more involved in the scene. Whilst I'm not the most experienced person I have done some things I never thought I would have the chance to. There are loads more things I want to do - in my own time. I enjoy my life a lot more now and I do feel liberated!
The fact is that this is now a way of life for me. I certainly couldn't cope without the social side of things and I can't imagine not wanting or being able to to try all the things I want to do.
I'm not sure I could have a totally vanilla relationship again, I couldn't behave myself enough I don't think!
Very interesting question Pololady and some very thoughtful answers.
For me personally I don't see swinging as a stop-gap whilst I wait to find another 'proper' relationship. I started swinging as half of a couple and had some great times but since I have become single again I think I have enjoyed the swinging even more.
I worked out that virtually my entire social life consists of swinging or spending time with other swingers in a social environment. I will be honest and say that does make me wonder if I will ever find myself in another vanilla relationship but it is not something I really want to worry about.
If I find the right person within the scene maybe I will then become part of a swinging couple but for the time being at least I am very happy having good friends who I can also have good sex with.
I dont think I could ever hide or deny the fact that I at least had been a swinger in a new relationship so anyone I was with would have to be able to handle that. As to whether I could ever actually stop swinging I am not sure, I find it a bit of a state of mind and I'm not sure if I could ever simply walk away from the scene.
Roger. cool
Not sure if I'm qualified but here goes.
A typically thought provoking proposition from PL.
I have a fairly unusual perspective on this. I suppose you’d describe me as a single swinging from within a couple. I have not long assumed this status so, whilst we have bottomed out the rules between us, I have not analysed what that all means – so bear with me a tad.
The other thing is that I have yet to test the arrangement – so I guess you’d have to class me as a theorist at this stage. I contend that that doesn’t mean I have nothing relevant to say because my position is fully considered and real and as NIL and someone else very astute said once, ‘swinging is an attitude of mind’ .
One thing for certain is that I am not in an interlude between vanilla relationships. I am in one, which allows me to swing. I can understand how this can make some swingers feel uncomfortable. In fact, since I have made this known more publicly, it is curious how some people who were quite friendly before have drifted away – but that may be just the natural cycle of things and I’m reading too much into it – I don’t know.
Not sure how relevant this is to the question. But it is another aspect of the interface between swinging and vanilla relationships. dunno
I don't see why people should treat you any differently merely because you'r being honest. I'd say you had the best of both worlds if it works, which I hope for your sake it does.
H.x
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Polo, you deserve an award for this thread

Where is it then dunno
lol :lol: :lol:
Just to add - I think it is a shockingly low number of replies from singles - thank fluck for couples (for more than one reason) :twisted: and not forgetting the singles who have added so far.
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Polo, you deserve an award for this thread

Where is it then dunno
lol :lol: :lol:
Just to add - I think it is a shockingly low number of replies from singles - thank fluck for couples (for more than one reason) :twisted: and not forgetting the singles who have added so far.
Which category do I fall in then?? :lol: :lol: Want to know where to go to get me reward - the singles bar or the couples bar? Any offers??
Polo Lady on my first read I thought I can answer this. Having now read all the thread this is a really hard set of questions.
I came to the site to swing - I wanted to be really open minded and let pleasure take its course but I found out I couldnt do it as a single woman. I am totally open about sex and not afraid of anything sexually. The real fear was about becoming attached in some way emotionally and I have only just got my head around that one in the last few months. It takes a long time to get over a long term relationship and I had become conditioned to feeling negative and never letting anyone really get to know me - I swung from neediness to total indifference with people and thats no basis for swinging.
I realised early on ( 2 years ago ) that if I was going to swing it would have to be within a relationship as a couple not as a single female. This has nearly happened but it wasnt swinging it was being an exhibitionist in a small way at a club lol. I felt very brave but that moment it didnt last as it was not part of a long term relationship, just a friendship buddy thing I suppose.
I have frightened vanilla men by telling them I am on this site and I havent the energy to explain that one any more lol.
The only thing I know is that having read the thread the most important thing to me it seems is that a couple has to be very very confident of their relationship to make it work - I really admire Dawn and Ian and I am proud to have them as friends . They are solid, open, genuinally in love and have made it work for them. Thats exactly what I would want swinging to be for me.
Choon, I so know where youre coming from. kiss
Previously I and my partner have played on our own, with permission and people start to see you as a single female (personally) and therefore some don't give any aknowledgement that I'm in a relationship and head over heels in love. I've always been up front with this when talking and the majority have been respectful, however there are others that try to sepparate us out for a more permanent arrangements and this makes me uncomfortable because I change my mind so much from week to week depending on how I am feeling at that moment in time. However in a relationship, I have not only me to please but another person too and this sometimes takes a bit of personal sacrifice where you have a situatation you're not eager for, but the other person is. Compromise and communication in these situations is paramount and key to a successful relationship, be that a swinging one or a vanilla.
I used to see swinging as a stop gap to something that I can't have in my current relationship right now... close proximity! Although now I see swinging as more of an adventure to spice up our current sex lives now and then, I don't know if I'd give it up in the future or not due to the amount of friendships I've made through the scene. I like the way people think in the lifestyle and the openess of it all which makes me more inclined to agree with the state of mind thing thats been said already.
Stop-gap implies you are here for a short period of time until the next vanilla relationship comes along to whisk you off your feet into the realms of "the real world" where one partner is sufficient and sharing partners is a bit of a .... Marriage and babies etc. I do want to get married and I do want children eventually, but not yet (and it's another issue about can swingers have happy "real life experiences" while in the scene). My best friend once said to me that she is too in love with her fiance to be able to share him with anyone else. She'd feel that bond of 'him & her' would be broken and never be able to make that right again. I've never felt like that in the scene, like I'm here to just get random sex until my next boyfriend... maybe because I have a boyfriend. dunno Maybe the situation I find myself in makes my outlook fundamentally different to start with? :dunno:
However I'm not inclined to say it is a lifestyle for myself as this implies that I'm stuck there and couldn't give it up if I wanted to, therefore limiting my personal choice. I have given the swinging up and it was one of the best choices I made because it showed me just who my real friends were and who was simply trying to get in my knickers. It's amazing who drifts away when you say you're no longer swinging (kind of the opposite for you Tune) maybe this shift occurs when you change in people's mental categories... ie. vanilla to playing and vice versa. :dunno:
Swinging has allowed me to explore my sexuality, likes/dislikes, personal preferences and emotional states in many ways. Every time something comes up where we have to talk about things I learn something new about myself and I find that quite fulfilling and character building. I feel the discussion brings us closer together as a couple and makes me value the qualities my relationship and partner have.
As to whether I'd put myself in one category or the other... I'd rather see where it goes and take my own path rather than lump into a pigeon-hole of a label.
:kiss: Gem. x
When Morbius and I met, we pretty much immediately accepted that we could never be exclusive to each other, depsite all our feelings. He'd married young and only had one partner, I'd always been into long term relationships but enjoyed casual sex. We'd much rahter give each other the blessing to be careful than be told actually I've strayed and be broken hearted and it did take a lot of soul searching to give that "permission to shag".
I didn't want to lose him, but also realised that getting out of one long term relationship into another wasn't going to satisfy "wonderlust" so we worked out a solution. The swinging bit came along later and made a lot of sense to us, neither of us at this point had actually "strayed" and we'd been together long enough to be secure and be honest with each other.
We primarily swing as a couple, but also swing singly with the right people. Could we give it up ... probably not now. Could we go vanilla? most definitely no. If we did split up for some reason then future partners would need to have a similar view on sex and relationships.
For us it's not a stop gap, but is it a lifestyle? I honestly can't answer that .... it's not the be all and end all and sex together is still the most important aspect, we don't swing all that much lately and yet our social life is primarily socials/munches and drinks with "scene" friends.
Cx
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However I'm not inclined to say it is a lifestyle for myself as this implies that I'm stuck there and couldn't give it up if I wanted to, therefore limiting my personal choice. I have given the swinging up and it was one of the best choices I made because it showed me just who my real friends were and who was simply trying to get in my knickers. It's amazing who drifts away when you say you're no longer swinging (kind of the opposite for you Tune) maybe this shift occurs when you change in people's mental categories... ie. vanilla to playing and vice versa. dunno

rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Probably just the thought is enough fer a bolt
But seriously, the thought that any change in your circumstances can alter people's view of you, had occurred to me. I suppose in this environemnt it could fundamentally change whether someone is interested in you at all.
Thanks fer understanding - helped me understand it a bit better too. kiss
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Yet another interesting, thought provoking and soul-searching set of questions from you PoloLady.
(You sure you’re not info gathering for a thesis/article ??? rotflmao )
For me personally, this thread and some of the answers fit very nicely with a couple of others, (of yours, Ice Pie’s and one of my own over the last year or so)
The whole “why are we here” sort of thing, linked to the swingle versus couple arguments, “what are we looking for ?” Here to play’ or find something” – sort of threads.
I think I can comment due to how my swingle “status” has moved, flexed and bent during my time at SH and was recently thrown completely up in the air. I’ve been the single bloke. The single, but got some fairly regular fuck buddies. The – single but have one special fuck buddy, single but swing with my vanilla ex :shock: The single guy in between some of those. Now ??? Well…. Now, coming to the end of a self imposed swinging “sabbatical” to return shortly (we think) as a swinging couple.
I’ve swung with other swingles, as a swingle. Couples as a single and as part of a couple with other couples.
It’s no secret that I’m a massive fan of the place, the lifestyle and the people. So my views will be biased.
Like you, my curiosity is raised when I read of two swingles “getting together” so therefore are leaving the lifestyle and or the site. Points me straight back to your “Looking for love” type threads (Sorry – can’t find them)
I flatter myself that the people who saw me arrive at SH, and have become interested, know pretty much how I came to be here, and why I stay.
For those that don’t – in a nutshell …………. (db doing a nutshell – yeah, right ! !)
Following the break up of a 4 or 5 year vanilla, but highly sexually driven relationship; I arrived looking for the quick shag my brother-in-law told me I could find via dogging.
Obviously it soon became apparent to me that there was much more to this swinging malarkey.
Is Swinging a stop gap ? (Was it ?? – as a single ??) I suppose I’d have to say that initially it was.
I was looking for a way to get laid. To have easy sex, without the trappings of any over emotional involvement from me. Without having to “work” for it, and be “nice” to someone in order to get in her knickers. Just how wrong can you be with only one head ?????
Then the whole “community of like-minded people” thing showed itself.
I answered in a thread a few weeks ago that I’d much rather sit in a pub and chew the fat and gossip; put the world to rights – with “swingers” than vanilla. Regardless of any play opportunities or the such like.
I think it was by bluexxx that I first heard the lifestyle described as “an attitude”
I agreed at the time, and that view has been nothing but reinforced since.
So – the “stop gap” point of view very soon disappeared.
Are you looking for something more outside of swinging ??
No.
I haven’t since I started to feel at home here. Regardless of my swingledom or not. But – I have been VERY lucky enough to have “something more” find me.
I asked last year if people still vanilla dated because a girl at the local stables was presenting very obvious “fuck me” signs and giving me the glad eye. I picked it up and rolled it back to her. I never did follow it up. I was more than happy with the way things were going in the “lifestyle” And still am – even though I’m not actively swinging at the moment.
Would I / Could I give up the lifestyle ???
When HLB and I started to admit our vanilla type feelings for each other, I told her there was very little that I wouldn’t have given up for her if she asked, OR if I even thought that she wanted me to. Including swinging.
As we talked about what and how the relationship would/could/might develop, either in or out of swinging; it was so very easy for me to say – and honestly mean – that I would “close my laptop right now and never log on to SH again” One point – At the time, I’d been here over a year, and quite an “active/successful” single bloke; but she was fairly new to the whole thing. That’s the whole thing wink
I doubt I would have missed the sexual aspects of swinging, the same as I haven’t a lotsince I decided to take a break. I would though have sorely missed the social/community part of it all.
The future ???????????????
I have absolutely no feckin idea ! !
What will our swinging criteria/rules/boundaries be ???
dunno
The only things I know for sure that I love this place, the “lifestyle” and the people in it . . . . . . . . . .
And I’m in love with her :wink:
Damn. I was planning on not having to think this evening.
I've not been here long but it sounds as if the two of you are very lucky to have found each other, that you care for each other and you are honest and open with each other. Who could ask for more in life? Be happy and be well.
H.x
Wow, this is soooo interesting.
I'm a single female. Came here originally after the break up of a 4 year "vanilla" relationship, basically because I didn't want to become a nun and I can't do the whole cattle market thing of going out clubbing to find a man to shag. :shock: :shock: :shock: I've also always been interesting in exploring boundaries, in sexuality, in liberation and freedom and swinging seemed to meet all those needs. (And so far, so good....) biggrin
I've been to a couple of social/munch things and have enjoyed them, really like the people I've met through those and through the clubs etc, but I've only ever been a single swinger so have enjoyed only ever having myself to please as some others have said. wink
I'm now at an age where my bloody biological clock is starting to tick and I am thinking about the 'future' (scary! redface ) and if / when I'm going to get into a relationship with someone wonderful enough to be a father to my children...and what to I need to do to meet him...and could I give up swingling when / if I do....
And that just raises way more questions than it answers and I want to go and stick my head in the sand!!!! :shock:
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Wow, this is soooo interesting.
I'm a single female. Came here originally after the break up of a 4 year "vanilla" relationship, basically because I didn't want to become a nun and I can't do the whole cattle market thing of going out clubbing to find a man to shag. :shock: :shock: :shock: I've also always been interesting in exploring boundaries, in sexuality, in liberation and freedom and swinging seemed to meet all those needs. (And so far, so good....) biggrin
I've been to a couple of social/munch things and have enjoyed them, really like the people I've met through those and through the clubs etc, but I've only ever been a single swinger so have enjoyed only ever having myself to please as some others have said. wink
I'm now at an age where my bloody biological clock is starting to tick and I am thinking about the 'future' (scary! redface ) and if / when I'm going to get into a relationship with someone wonderful enough to be a father to my children...and what to I need to do to meet him...and could I give up swingling when / if I do....
And that just raises way more questions than it answers and I want to go and stick my head in the sand!!!! :shock:

I know it is the most likely scenario but it doesn't have to be an either/or. You could have the best of both worlds and find a swinging partner who wants to be a father to your children as well. Stranger things have happened.
I wish you luck.
Interesting topic.
I originally joined SH as a single.
Before becoming a member I'd been swinging with another couple and my fuck buddy and then just me with the couple. It was something I felt I wanted to explore further.
Also I was starting to travel with my job a lot more and thought joining the site would give me the option to explore my sexuality and meet people I could play with whilst away from home. :twisted:
In addition to this I was fed up with meeting people in the vanilla world. Invariably boyfriends got possessive and didn't like my flirting and when I wanted just a regular fuck buddy with no strings they still ended up being posessive and wanting a relationship to the point of stalking mad
What I found at SH surprised me. The respecting of boundaries, openess and honesty was like a breath of fresh air. Yes there's been the odd instance of someone coming on a bit strong and desperate and my previous stalking experience has left me over cautious, but on the whole everyone's been great.
As stated the last thing I was looking for was a relationship, but I got one - and the best one I've ever had. :inlove:
For me I think myself and dambuster are so good together because we have that same "attitide" he mentioned in his post.
Yes he did tell me he'd give it all up for me and I know he meant it, but we both agree that we still want to be here socially as well as swinging because that's who we are.
I can see some people come here looking for sex - straight sex and if they meet someone either here or in the vanilla world then they don't need the site anymore.
I think the people who stay are the people who came here looking for more than just a shag. The people who want to explore boundaries and enjoy other sexual activities.
When I first came here, I was a single fem , fresh out of a 12 year relationship and looking for fun, looking to explore things sexually and to indulge my 'bi-side'.
A few months in and I realised that I can pretty much take or leave the swinging side of all this, and what keeps me here is the social aspect, the like-minded, open people some of whom I condider to be true friends.
I never looked on this as a 'stop gap', although I did think back then that once i'd done a bit of experimenting and fulfilled a few fantasies, I'd be able to say Right, thanks very much, I'm off now. But I cant, and I couldnt when my partner and I got back together a few months ago. So i'm not in the 'between vanilla relationships' category either, as I'm already in one!
i'm still here, on the fringes perhaps, but here. I still 'play' occasionally , and intend to continue to do so as and when it suits me. My partner has no interest in joining me in this lifestyle in terms of swinging itself, although he's fully aware of it, has met a few of my friends and reads the forums and is getting more interested in the social side..... we'll have to wait and see.
Ideally I would be here as part of a swinging couple, and the more I get into this lifestyle, the more i want it. As a single here I have to say the experience has not been what I'd hoped - yes I've had lots of fun, met loads of people and unleashed my bi-side to the point where I know I can never walk away from that.... but i've also seen how , especially the single fems, are used & manipulated by some to gain 'status' or 'seal of approval' so to speak, and by others simply because we are 'single bi-fems' and not the 'person' if you see what I mean.
Aside from all that, I can say that the 'lifestyle'' - albeit more the social than the sexual is a big part of my life, and I cant see that changing. Being bi is part of who I am - I cant ignore that and just simply go 'vanilla'. Luckily I have a life partner who understands me, and gives me enough rope to enable me to have my cake and eat it
am sure one day though I'll probably hang myself with it.
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Is swinging a stop gap for some people between vanilla relationships?
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We've just been having a natter about this and although I've got much to offer with regards to this thread apart from the fact that when It was originally posted I was single and I am now part of a couple and still swing I thought it may be worth another airing.
What started us talking was members that are prominent for a brief period then just seem to fall off the face of the earth. I know peoples lives go through changes and such but mine has gone through more changes since I joined the forum than it has ever done before and yet I'm still posting and active on the scene. Prehaps the differance is I did or had swung before I found SH so it was a part of my life, whilst others may have googled some word found this place and liked the thought of what they saw untill factors such as it not being a place of quick results or that it wasn't as easy as they thought to arrange meets came into play.
Sorry all if it sounds like the rambelings of a mad man ( it is me after all lol) but I did think another airing of this may provide some good results biggrin
I guess could go back to vanilla because niceandgentle hasn't actually done anything yet other than post on the forum so I'm a virgin(kind of!) :P
It is possible to find it all in one person,and also possible to allow others into the sexual aspect of such a long-term relationship.I think there are examples on this superb thread that point the way that more relationships will go in time,if our society can be become more accepting and more people dare to admit to and follow their desires together.
PoloLady does it again! worship
Is swinging a stop gap for some people between vanilla relationships?

Clearly. As indicated by others, SH members come and go and come again. But as also suggested, if one is serious about either the relationship or swinging then it causes turmoil, within and without. Either leaving it behind or discussing it for the first time. But does that make a member truly a swinger? Or is it; once a swinger, always a swinger?
Are you looking for something more outside of swinging?

Yes. But I think now/at this time, I'd rather find it inside of swinging.
Is swinging something you find you can swing in and out of?

Never had to make such a firm decision yet. But I found when I wasn't swinging, I missed it, thought about it. It concerned me that I might seek to return to it alone.
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I s'pose if I don't know the vanilla person very well, and
she
didn't know anyone I knew, then I've been inclined to be upfront about swinging from the start - from the limited experience I've had with that since I started on the swinging scene, the reaction has either been extreme curiosity, or horror confused

Why is it never bland disinterest? Or "Me Too!" You'd think statistically alone you might meet one every so often.
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At what point do you start to tell them about the swinging? :?
Do you say so from the off before you are even sure it is really going anywhere?
Do you wait until you are sure it is a serious relationship - and then say BTW...?
Do you drop it in an over dinner conversation like a bombshell - which it will be to many people.
Do you make subltle suggestions and ignore mentioning you have already been involved?

So true. And this is where I finally, hopefully, get to the meat of my post.
Before joining up here I tried a popular dating site. Actually got a date too! I like to be an honest person and yet knew fairly quickly from talking to her that this side of my life would be completely alien to her. It actually caused me an almost sleepless night later that week mulling over the problem for my future reference. Here was someone who had taken a fancy to me. Asked ME out.
And here I was sitting on what was going to be a bombshell for her. I really felt for her at this moment because she was pinning some hope on me for her future.
I made the decision to tell her a little about my previous experiences to "test the water" and I was right, completely alien. Date finished ok, but I got binned the next day, by text no less. My "revelations" being her reason. Thank f*ck I didn't tell her "everything"!
But I'm glad I did say something. It made a decision quick and relatively painless for her and early enough that it made no difference. How might it have been for either of us if we had worked out and then I told her or more likely let something slip innocently in conversation. It would have completely changed her opinion of me. Not necessarily because of the subject matter, but perhaps more because of the witholding of it for that length of time when it is most definitely a "thing" that is bigger to most people than admitting you've got a large porn stash or smoked pot at university. The traditional nature of we the English is such that I would guess the majority of people do find it odd,at the very least, that we would be happy to have our partner shag someone else. People get beaten up every night just for "looking at my bird".
Where am I going with this? (Not sure, I think I've almost confused myself) I think that a swinger is a swinger. For me it is something that is more than a lifestyle or a stop-gap measure. It is a part of me. The real problem is knowing that there are those in our communities who would see me as the NOTW and other popular tabloids would paint me. Deviant or Weird or something even more sinister. Comfortable to swap partners? Obviously also a Scumbag/Untrustworthy Type and should be spat at in the street. So for that reason I reserve the right to be selective about how any information is distributed.
Right, I'm off to dunk my head in a bucket of cold water, my brain is too hot. :crazy: