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A few weeks ago, someone gave me "the glad eye" Don't worry, I picked it up and rolled it straight back to her.
This is actually a serious question.
Do you still vanilla date?
I don't mean the Saturday night pub/club hunting and chasing. I'm thinking more generally.
I haven't stopped flirting. I still look with an admiring eye when I see somebody attractive/appealing, but seem to stop short of actually pursuing a date opportunity.
This has come to a head for me personally becauseI actually noticed today that I didn't respond to the same young lady again this morning, in a way that I would have done previously.
There have been other occasions when I've asked myself this question, like in Tesco or a truckstop or MSA, but today; it hit me like a wet kipper round the face. Possibly because if I do have a "type" - this girl fits it to a T.
So - my question is, Do the singles that are actively involved in the swinging "scene" still actively look for dates outside swinging?
I ask it of both males and the girls.
Disclaimer: No - the search button is not my friend. Whenever I search for something; I always get 376 pages. Too much for an old fart to trawl through.
I have thought about this too. Would you date still Dammie, or are you firmly a no strings kind?
kiss
Gem. x
Being a relative newbie, I'm still looking for dates etc outside the swinging scene, but whether I'll stop looking or look less as time goes by.... time will tell.
i say date her
you div
if you like her and she likes you
what you waiting for
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I have thought about this too. Would you date still Dammie,

rotflmao I thought for a minute you were going to pimp for me, Gem.
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or are you firmly a no strings kind?

I think that's where the nub of my question lies.
I certainly lean towards the "no stringswithout the emotional entanglements, that normally come with vanilla dating/relationships. Although, I do sometimes worry about becoming "cold" inside.
Is it OK for me to have a serious moment ???
I think alot of people come on here in the hope that they will meet a real partner.
I think this is true of men and women !
If you get to the stage where being on here is all you want.......... and u move from one person to another......... without any sort of feelings................. then u must be cold !!
I dont think cold is good......... but if cold does it for you....... then u have to be honest with whoever u r with........ swinger or non-swinger !
So, I suppose I am saying U should do what makes u happy without hurting others on your way !
I ask for dates....but I get nuts !
I have dated and also done the ocasional "chat up" but...
I have always admired a couple that swing and do it correctly (the couple who were my "teachers (1)" are still together and still very much in love and a couple and that in a way is a point that I have missed (swinging aside) in my non-swinging relationships.
I have also swung as a couple, so have experienced things from the other side where someone I love(d) was with someone else and I was with another, or we were both with the same single.
Since seeing it from the couples POV I would not want a non-swinging relationship, and one of the first things I say during the tipical "chat up;" "getting to know you..." or dating is who I am... I'm a guy that swings... Its hardly "coming out" in the sence that I dont feel a need to tell my mum, but then again I dont need to tell my mum I like to have sex, lol, but to me I'd rather come out with it there and then, and have the person say "I'm just going to the toilet" and never see them again; I have asked the pub owner to nail the window in the girls toilets shut but hes adimant he wont, lol! (thats may be jokey, but its not far from the truth, lol)
I enjoy being exhinitionist and voyeristic so swinging does allow me to enjoy both of thoes, I am also Bi sexual (not bi-emotional) and have in the past hidden that side of myself and not partaken so to speak, when i've been in a "standard" relationship.... so again swinging can when things are right allow me to explore and enjoy that side of myself and not have to hide it when in a commited relationship. It does so piss me off when a woman can be "bi" and no one batts an eyelid and a straight woman wont worry that she will suddenly be attacked by a "carpet muncher" when they know the other woman is bi, but couples assume a bi guy in a couple, or guys in general assume, that a bi guy will try to jump them... like hang on, talk about an inflated ego! bi guy=they want my arse, like yeah as if, lol.
But a simple question such as "would you vannila date" is not as simple as its first stated! there are so many variations... My personal response would be, "yes..." but by the end of the first date they would know; then it would be up to them if it made it to a second date and if it may progress to a sexual relationship in the future.... I would rather loose the second date or the sex than be in a situation where I had to play away or end up 6-12-48 months down the line when I want to swing or be more open and not say anything because I dont want to loose the person im with... and lets face it, if thats the case it will go tits up at some point in the future, or you have to live your whole life as a lie!
I found my partner through being a member of SH and she accepts and encourages me to express my sexuality. I've found the same acceptance from the members here on SH.
I'm not sure that I could do "vanilla" again. I think I'd find it frustrating as I don't think I'd be able to express myself as openly as I can now and for a relationship to work it's necessary to have complete openess and honesty with your partner.
A thought provoking question Dammie! wink
I think a lot of relationship problems are caused by a lack of truthfulness between the partners with regard to their sexual interests and inclinations through fear of rejection. That issue does not arise when you have met that person through swinging. It doesn't mean that you necessarily continue to swing, just that whatever you do, you do by mutual agreement.
Of course there's always the possibility that the person you meet may have secretly harboured an interest in swinging or being more expressive about their sexual interests and inclinations, in which case the relationship could work rather well, but if they were completely shocked by your attitudes then it would be instant rejection and quick dismissal I should imagine.

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Loads of brilliant stuff, as usual.

Have I told you lately you're my favourite small pervert?
Dammie at your age mate you need to get it where you can.
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*runs off quick* bolt

No need to run too quickly, then.
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Dammie at your age mate you need to get it where you can.
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Quick Vix, let's catch him and Dambuster at the same time :P hump
No I don't date vanilla any more.
Dambuster good post for your first year anniversary on swinginhgeaven, may there be many more to come.
kiss :hump:
Yeah I still vanilla to be honest i prefer raspberry ripple :shock:
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A few weeks ago, someone gave me "the glad eye" Don't worry, I picked it up and rolled it straight back to her.
This is actually a serious question.
Do you still vanilla date?
I don't mean the Saturday night pub/club hunting and chasing. I'm thinking more generally.
I haven't stopped flirting. I still look with an admiring eye when I see somebody attractive/appealing, but seem to stop short of actually pursuing a date opportunity.
This has come to a head for me personally because I actually noticed today that I didn't respond to the same young lady again this morning, in a way that I would have done previously.
There have been other occasions when I've asked myself this question, like in Tesco or a truckstop or MSA, but today; it hit me like a wet kipper round the face. Possibly because if I do have a "type" - this girl fits it to a T.
So - my question is, Do the singles that are actively involved in the swinging "scene" still actively look for dates outside swinging?
I ask it of both males and the girls.

A dates a date. And she still is a woman.
Why not just go on a no-strings date and get to know her anyway?
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So - my question is, Do the singles that are actively involved in the swinging "scene" still actively look for dates outside swinging?
I ask it of both males and the girls.
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I don’t actively look for vanilla dates or any dates TBH – not a conscious decision – I just don’t seem to have any urge to at the moment. I am happy and more than content as I am. I feel a freedom and liberation in my current situation and I am making the most of it. Who knows what lies ahead down the road in a few months time or in a year or so? All I know is what feels good for me right now. When it stops feeling good, I will do something different.
But that is me and I can only comment on me. There is only one person who can give the true answer to what a person wants and what is good for them and when that person speaks it is in your own best interest to listen – Temel Nosce.
i'm vanilla dating tonight, she's lovely, and she has a look in her eyes that suggests she'd be into this sort of shennanagins, but if she's not, she's still lovely.
Quote by dambuster
A few weeks ago, someone gave me "the glad eye" Don't worry, I picked it up and rolled it straight back to her.
This is actually a serious question.
Do you still vanilla date?
I don't mean the Saturday night pub/club hunting and chasing. I'm thinking more generally.
I haven't stopped flirting. I still look with an admiring eye when I see somebody attractive/appealing, but seem to stop short of actually pursuing a date opportunity.
This has come to a head for me personally because I actually noticed today that I didn't respond to the same young lady again this morning, in a way that I would have done previously.
There have been other occasions when I've asked myself this question, like in Tesco or a truckstop or MSA, but today; it hit me like a wet kipper round the face. Possibly because if I do have a "type" - this girl fits it to a T.
So - my question is, Do the singles that are actively involved in the swinging "scene" still actively look for dates outside swinging?
I ask it of both males and the girls.
Disclaimer: No - the search button is not my friend. Whenever I search for something; I always get 376 pages. Too much for an old fart to trawl through.

Very thought provoking DB, ya see, I've had the laces on me swinging shoes well and truly knotted for now.... he never mentioned that I couldn't try a vanilla date though :giggle:
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P.S Happy anniversary kiss
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Now what a thought provoking post. Do I vanilla date.
I have over the past year gone to meetings with people with no thought of getting a date. A few times my mates have said (afterward) that one of the ladies I was talking to had been chattin me up. I thought that I had just gone daft in me old age and just didn't read the signs. Now I think I that after being here and meeting a few friends that maybe my subconcious had ignored the vanilla meets on offer.
I'd rather think I am going mad heheheheheheheheheh
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Excellent thread Dammie. And a thread I am compelled to post on, especially today.
I have only had two vanilla dates with guys in about 12 years. I had my reasons, and certain circumstances come into it, but it's been a long time.
I am curious to know what it is like now that I am older, wiser and in search of something particular.
My main attraction to dating - and one I have only recently discovered - is that I want to go out for the night and meet single guys with no expectations, no assumptions that we will have sex. I want to meet real men, and not boys, men who are willing to accompany me to a pub/restaurant/club/family do without fear of being caught, or seen as too 'couply'. All this NSA is all good and well but there really does come a time when sex , and rarely good sex at that, is just not enough. I want more. I want respect and affection, I want a man to stay the night and have a leisurely breakfast, not leave when he's done. I want romance.
I haven't wanted it up till now, but along with my personal needs, I feel the quality of the men I have had the stupidity to shag on here (I make very few exceptions) has contributed to my recent decision. It came about after a weekend of one letdown after another. Bang Bang Bang. Enough is enough. I think I am worth more than that.
I will stay for my fabulous friends, and the friends I have yet to make. But I will only actively swing again as a couple, if I find a man who wants to try it. It has scarred me somewhat, to be honest, I need to stop meeting boys (convincingly disguised as men) who have no idea how to treat a woman.
So Dammie. You have given me the opportunity to tell the studmuffins on here that I ain't playing. I'm going vanilla. i love the smell anyway. Very summery.
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I want to meet real men, and not boys, men who are willing to accompany me to a pub/restaurant/club/family do without fear of being caught, or seen as too 'couply'. All this NSA is all good and well but there really does come a time when sex , and rarely good sex at that, is just not enough. I want more. I want respect and affection, I want a man to stay the night and have a leisurely breakfast, not leave when he's done. I want romance.

Great timing for me - this thread. I echo 100% what SunBunny said. I joined adult sites specifically to turn fantasies into reality and to have no-strings sex. And it worked for me extraordinarily well. But I had those SunBunny feelings and went back to a vanilla dating site. (I was also fed up at the distances I was having to travel for my 'fun'.) I've now met somebody who is really very nice. We are getting along great.
The big surprise to both of us, however, is how sexy the relationship is turning out to be. We are having a fantastic time under the covers and I've been thinking that a lot of that is down to my SH experiences. I am now so free, so liberated about sex that it shows and I participate 150%. Yesterday we forced ourselves to actually go out as, in his words, 'I didn't want this to be a just-for-sex thing'.
I can tell he knows I am experienced and one day we will discuss it. Maybe he will walk away but I have a feeling he won't. In the meantime I can't 'swing' - it would feel disloyal, even though we are still totally uncommitted.
Jezzay
Nice to see I'm not the only one feeling like this Jezzay, what a lovely post.
I wish you lots of luck with your new man. wink
Thank you all for your input, inluding the one or two that misunderstood.
It's not a question of whether or not I should ask this particular girl out, more the general aspect of vanilla dating while still swinging.
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If you get to the stage where being on here is all you want.......... and u move from one person to another......... without any sort of feelings................. then u must be cold !!
So, I suppose I am saying U should do what makes u happy without hurting others on your way !

I agree totally with what you say there blonde. I do and have developed “feelings” for people that I’ve met through SH, but not in the same way as relationships I’ve been in before.
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Of course there's always the possibility that the person you meet may have secretly harboured an interest in swinging or being more expressive about their sexual interests and inclinations . . . ..
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I ( very personally) would be wary about introducing someone to the “scene” having been down that road and inadvertently putting established members of SH in a position of being used to satisfy someone’s curiosities.
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Dammie at your age mate you need to get it where you can.
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I think you’re probably right, easy. rotflmao
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Quick Vix, let's catch him and Dambuster at the same time :P hump
kiss :hump:

I should be so feckin lucky wink
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I thought that I had just gone daft in me old age and just didn't read the signs. Now I think I that after being here and meeting a few friends that maybe my subconcious had ignored the vanilla meets on offer.

That’s a very good and valid observation. I’m beginning to think the same.
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I feel a freedom and liberation in my current situation and I am making the most of it. Who knows what lies ahead down the road in a few months time or in a year or so? All I know is what feels good for me right now. When it stops feeling good, I will do something different.

I agree, PoloLady. I’ve always said (and mostly done) that if I stop enjoying something – I’ll stop doing it.
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. . . , men who are willing to accompany me to a pub/restaurant/club/family do without fear of being caught, or seen as too 'couply'. All this NSA is all good and well but there really does come a time when sex , and rarely good sex at that, is just not enough. I want more. I want respect and affection, I want a man to stay the night and have a leisurely breakfast, not leave when he's done.

Good point SunBunny. Something I’ve been guilty of. But I think that’s another thread.
So – thank you all again for your input.
SunBunny, jezzay and PoloLady; I hope you continue to be happy with your choices.
db
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Quick Vix, let's catch him and Dambuster at the same time :P hump
kiss :hump:

I should be so feckin lucky wink
db
Divide and conquer mate. I'll take sarah, you take Vix. :wink: :thumbup:
Oh and I see you've got the hang of multiple quotes now. lol
:cheers:
Sorry dambuster for the hijack.
Easy bring it on........................
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Divide and conquer mate. I'll take sarah, you take Vix. wink :thumbup:
Oh and I see you've got the hang of multiple quotes now. lol
:cheers:

Divide and conquer ?? I was hoping more for a mad melee.
Multiple quotes ?? Easypeasylemonsqueesy.
(All homage to msword, copy and paste. And an hour and a half spare time)
Think you may have hit on a very strong point here.
When I started swinging, I was still in uni, meeting one particular couple regulary, while still going through the uni relationships as you do. Now at the time, I didn't divulge any info on my out of uni activities to any of the girlfriends I had at the time, mainly because I was scared of the reaction, plus didn't see the point, as I knew I would be leaving the country after the 4 years were up. Which they did understand, by the way :P.
But as time progressed after leaving, I started seeing people,one in partiucular, where the relationship became more serious. skip a half a dozen months, and we were talking about exchanging etc, and decided it was something we would like to try together.
Over time we enjoyed it thoroughly and made some very close friends, however, due to my job, I was forced to work away and the relationship soured. Finally leading me to move away for another job offer, and an abrupt end to the whole thing.
Once getting back on the wagon, so to speak, I noticed myself, coming back into the scene as a single, and starting to date again.
But the point I'm trying to make (longwinded I know evil ), is that I started realising that the relationships you have and develop while in the scene, is that of a physical nature and friendship develops naturally (if it's gone well!). Sometimes it can become more, sometimes it won't.
But while you do develop those bonds, as a single, you still always crave the hug in the morning, the smile that makes you go weak at the knees, the affectionate kiss that makes all your problems go away and, in short, the love that everyone ultimately needs or wants.
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Could be wrong though!!.......has been known :P
I have been on the scene for 4 years now, and using swinging heaven for meets for most of it, although only a recent member to the forum. Had various vanilla relationships all which came to nothing.
I mainly got into to the scene through being bi curious, and was a single at the time. People i have met through this site and others and also in clubs have helped me to understand myself and my sexuality and become more relaxed as a person.
I met what i thought was a nice guy on the scene , we swung for a while, felt compeltely relaxed and trusted him implicitly. Thought if we can be open and have fun like this, id never have to worry about any infidelities etc. BOY WAS I WRONG!!! Still couldnt keep his cock in his pants, still felt the need to have an affair.
I have always known on some level that I could never have a monagamous relationship, and being able to swing I thought was the perfect answer, best of both worlds. Now im not so sure about either.
I could go on vanilla dates and have done since, but would always have to be upfront about my lifestyle, cos hiding it would only lead to trouble.
I have made some great male companions and 'fuk buddies' through the scene, who i can go out with, have a laugh, a meal and the fun side of things, and hopefully one day I will meet someone who I can have a relationship with and continue to swing.
This whole issue is very complex, and I do think once you have tasted it you probably wont be able to give it up, i know I cant!!!!
Well hope i havent gone to deep and bored you all to death.
My answer would have to be follow your heart, do what feels right and enjoy life, the friends made through here will always be friends, and if a relationship in a "Vanilla" situation develops, you may find happiness there.
I have been single since October, I got involved here to meet like minded people. If I met the right person through SH, then I'd be very happy, but if I happened to meet that person outside of the swinging scene, then I'd be equally as happy.
John
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Sorry dambuster for the hijack.
Easy bring it on........................

At least it isn't me hijacking this time. I've got a ski-mask and a pistol spare you can borrow for the hijack if you like. lol :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sorry Dammie. Back to the serious stuff. wink