smoking ban

full smoking ban or not????

17 Feb 2006

as you all might have seen on the tv by 2007 all pubs (in fact all public places) will be smoke free.
The total ban will extend to all enclosed areas except private homes, residential care homes, hospitals, prisons, hotel bedrooms and the houses of parliament .
fines will be 2,500 fro not stopping people smoking in restricted areas
it was originally proposed exempting all pubs and clubs which did not serve food, but then offered MPs a free vote on a full ban.
so pros and cons
pros=
encourage people to stop smoking, healthier working environment for the workers etc...
cons=
smokers will just move into the streets, will smoke more at home in front of kids etc...
personally I'm a smoker and think food places should be smoke free and that pubs, clubs that do not cell food should be exempt, as for people smoking more at home, don't we smoke at home anyway :? , workers in pubs and clubs know before they take the job that its going to be a smoke environment if they didn't want to be around that then they wouldn't have applied for the job in the first place.
so whats your views full ban or non food exempt????

17 Feb 2006

I refuse to vote as I smoke...I have to pay for it when non smokers can breathe my air for free... wink

Leo

17 Feb 2006

Personly iam all for complete ban, it works in Dublin!

17 Feb 2006

hi everybody please bear with me if this posting is all wonky and bits are all over the place been a member on here for over a year but have only just started using the forum thingy and this is my second posting so you could say im a forum virgin so here goes
i totally agree with cplbbw on this that smoking should only be banned in eating establishments including pubs with resteraunts i smoke and my wife smokes so for people who go out for a meal theres nothing worse than when your about to tuck into your meal the waft of smoke up your nose and thats from a smokers point of view i class myself as a considerate smoker in the fact that as well as being a cabbie and working in the office at the weekend i donot smoke in my car nor do i smoke in the office if there is another non smoking member of staff present however if a passenger asks if he/she can smoke then 9/10 times i say yes and have one with them (normally gets you a tip) :lol: the only time i refuse is cos some scumbag i av just picked up wants to smoke his joint and the smell of that lingers for a very long time.
its alright all the non smokers saying oh yes this is a victory for us but what they dont realise is that if we all gave up smoking that the amount of tax they pay in their wages would increase by 2 to 3% (government statistic) to make up the shortfall in the revenue.
for me personally i love going down the pub play pool have a bevvy and yes a fag as to be able to do that is my civil right if a non smoker doesnt like it they can always go to the other side of the pub where most pubs have installed extractors and air conditioninganyway thats enough of me harping on about it i personally feel it shouldnt be banned.
daz

17 Feb 2006

I quit smoking 8 years ago and think its ridiculess that people cant smoke in country is going off thier heads or is it still our country confused

: We always hated the sherriff of notingham and villains years ago in the movies for taxing the people and charging bridge and passage tolls and just think when are the Goverment going to take our "Freedom" Never :!: So tony get your deciples to get a LIFE :!: :?

17 Feb 2006

Personally i'm getting a bit fed up with the goverment going on about stopping people smoking, they recon if everyone stopped smoking tomorrow this country would financially collaps within about 6 months, and where do you think they would recover this money from? yep us so does anyone really want everyone to stop smoking? i myself am not a smoker, ok i may have the odd one when drunk lol, but i'd sooner the tax from fags pay the goverment than my wages.

17 Feb 2006

I posted this on another site but I still think it reads the same for this poll >>>>>>
I started to smoke at the ripe old age of 14 (fourteen) by buying fags, one at a time, from our local corner shop. Smoked for 46 years during which time fag use went from 1 to 40 per day.
I am one of the very very lucky ones as my lungs have been given the "all clear" by my ex employer, the good old NHS = x-ray and scan clear.
I gave up smoking Christmas Day 1999 and willpower did not take part in it. Woke up feeling like shit with a dose of Flu, lit up a fag, coughed my heart & lungs up and not smoked since.
I feel sorry for those who cannot give up, for what ever reason, and urge them to try just that little bit harder.
As for where HMT gets it's loss of revenue from, I think we all know.
Income Tax, Nat Ins, Fuel Tax and any other tax they may think of.
My suggestion would be to put a 200% tax on that other evil civil right we have, that of chewing gum. (I can hear the screams now)
Look around at the number of little white spots that adorn our pavements and even shop floors, the lump of it on your living room carpet from the bottom of your shoe and any other places where the chewers decide to dump it. All these blobs of gum will grow at a rapid pace as people take up one habit to help cure another.
Government Motto >>>>>>
"If it gives Pleasure, Tax It"
History lesson and mini rant over.
If you are trying to give up, you have my best wishes and good luck to you.
If you are NOT giving up, think about it and all the best.
phredd

17 Feb 2006

Ok, this is my first posting and I am also a newbie to SH and the lifestyle.
I totally agree that smoking should be banned in establishments selling food. I am a light smoker who works in a non smoking office, my house mate is a non smoker so I can't smoke at home so I do enjoy a smoke when I go out.
Chezza

17 Feb 2006

i say :smoke: ban it everywhere even in your own homes :twisted: :shock:
:giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
can you tell im a recent non smoker ?????? bolt

seriousely though , i know your saying people knew when they got a job in clubs /pubs that smoking was allowed so if they dont like it get a job somewhere else? some people have not got that choice, they go where the jobs are, im sure they dont want to work till 3am + in a smoky enviroment for min wage for the hell of it.
i dont know how the banning of smoking will work in a club, nightmare for door staff if people want to keep nipping out for a fag.
and if the government bann smoking im sure the NHS bill will go down over time from less smoking related illnesses, therefore less tx needed.
xxx lou xxxxxxxxxx

17 Feb 2006

As a non-smoker I hate arriving home reeking of ciggie smoke, but I can't see why we can't have both smoking pubs/clubs and non-smoking ones. If, as they say, 75% of peeps in the UK don't smoke surely there is a huge market for non-smoking places without the need for prohibitive legislation and killing the enjoyment of those who do want to wreck their lungs.
The really curious thing is that the Houses of Commons and Lords are exempt from the ban. What's that all about?

17 Feb 2006

What a load of crap. What are the Government thinking of? I am a smoker, but have never and would never light up a fag in a restaurant or near anyone eating, yet to ban it in pubs and clubs!!! Whatever next. I know non-smokers who are disgusted with the ban and see it as unfair.
The government should never of had a say, it should of been down to the landlords of these establishments, the people running their businesses.
If smoking isnt going to kill you, then walking out your front door and inhaleing car fumes will (and the list can go on and on).

17 Feb 2006

Quote by dpg230272
hi everybody please bear with me if this posting is all wonky and bits are all over the place been a member on here for over a year but have only just started using the forum thingy and this is my second posting so you could say im a forum virgin so here goes
i totally agree with cplbbw on this that smoking should only be banned in eating establishments including pubs with resteraunts i smoke and my wife smokes so for people who go out for a meal theres nothing worse than when your about to tuck into your meal the waft of smoke up your nose and thats from a smokers point of view i class myself as a considerate smoker in the fact that as well as being a cabbie and working in the office at the weekend i donot smoke in my car nor do i smoke in the office if there is another non smoking member of staff present however if a passenger asks if he/she can smoke then 9/10 times i say yes and have one with them (normally gets you a tip) :lol: the only time i refuse is cos some scumbag i av just picked up wants to smoke his joint and the smell of that lingers for a very long time.
its alright all the non smokers saying oh yes this is a victory for us but what they dont realise is that if we all gave up smoking that the amount of tax they pay in their wages would increase by 2 to 3% (government statistic) to make up the shortfall in the revenue.
for me personally i love going down the pub play pool have a bevvy and yes a fag as to be able to do that is my civil right if a non smoker doesnt like it they can always go to the other side of the pub where most pubs have installed extractors and air conditioninganyway thats enough of me harping on about it i personally feel it shouldnt be banned.
daz

Scumbag

: As a cabbie I would have thought the differentials between drunks and scumbags as you call them would have been obvious. I am not a cabbie but I have given enougth lifts in my time to know which of the 2 causes more grief. I Was a Scumbag for 8 years gave up 5 years ago and have been a heavy drinker for the last 5 years (yeh I kinda switched) and to be honest if health issues were not included I know I would rather be a scumbag anyday. I have caused far less bother on this earth as a scumbag than I ever have as a drinker. I mean how many scumbag dens do you know where a fight breaks out?
As for smoking ban yeh a total ban is fine by me. I was a smoker who could quite happpily go without for 5 hours and enjoy one when I got home. As long as I knew I wasent forever without one the stress was minimal.
Mr Tweeky

18 Feb 2006

i happen to think its yet another example of oppressive government....we are slowly but surely having our rights and freedoms taken away
mad

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18 Feb 2006

Quote by DeeCee
i happen to think its yet another example of oppressive government....we are slowly but surely having our rights and freedoms taken away
:x :x :x :x :x :x

In 1927 the goverment banned cannabis and in the current day they are considering banning khat. Would you consider these acts oppresive?
Mr Tweeky

18 Feb 2006

Quote by DeeCee
i happen to think its yet another example of oppressive government....we are slowly but surely having our rights and freedoms taken away
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YEP DC! - read 1984 by Orwell - there's a spooky similarity..... sad

18 Feb 2006

I'm not saying Mrs HC is a heavy smoker, but, she doesnt have a period she has a fall of soot

18 Feb 2006

I :smoke: think :smoke: it :smoke: should :smoke: be :smoke: banned :smoke: from :smoke: all :smoke: public :smoke: areas :smoke:
I do think that everywhere should have a smoke room for the smokers !! ............... works in Canada !!
Oh............. by the way I am a :smoke: er
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

18 Feb 2006

Quote by delsutton
As a non-smoker I hate arriving home reeking of ciggie smoke, but I can't see why we can't have both smoking pubs/clubs and non-smoking ones. If, as they say, 75% of peeps in the UK don't smoke surely there is a huge market for non-smoking places without the need for prohibitive legislation and killing the enjoyment of those who do want to wreck their lungs.
The really curious thing is that the Houses of Commons and Lords are exempt from the ban. What's that all about?

Cuban cigars.....

18 Feb 2006

Quote by tweeky
i happen to think its yet another example of oppressive government....we are slowly but surely having our rights and freedoms taken away
:x :x :x :x :x :x

In 1927 the goverment banned cannabis and in the current day they are considering banning khat. Would you consider these acts oppresive?
Mr Tweeky
yes i would...........

18 Feb 2006

This is the problem with having three sites, yes? I can't remember where I have posted but this Nosmo King thing is important,yes?
So, maybe to repeat myself. I'm in favour of a complete ban in all public places.
However, we should be addressing the root of the problem. I do not know any adult smoker who made a mature decision to take up smoking. Truly, I don't.
All the smokers I know started smoking as children. Adults don't start smoking. Children do.
Mollie

18 Feb 2006

They need to open up bars just for people who smoke like bars for non smokers. Where are peoples human rights here? Discrimination I say!!!! lol

18 Feb 2006

Quote by hisandhers
They need to open up bars just for people who smoke like bars for non smokers. Where are peoples human rights here? Discrimination I say!!!!

Totally agree, but whats next? ban the actual pubs? ban fast food outlets? ban cars? then i'd love to see what the respose would be from non smokers, i can understand non smokers not wanting to breathe in other peoples smoke but why have the goverment also ruled against anyone opening an establishment for smokers only? they say thats descriminating against non smokers so what they're doing is'nt descrimination? Can't even light up at your wokplace or in a company vehicle, but hey its ok to smoke in the houses of parliment, whats does that tell you smokers and non smokers alike.

18 Feb 2006

Quote by DeeCee
i happen to think its yet another example of oppressive government....we are slowly but surely having our rights and freedoms taken away
:x :x :x :x :x :x

In 1927 the goverment banned cannabis and in the current day they are considering banning khat. Would you consider these acts oppresive?
Mr Tweeky
yes i would...........
Good for you glad to see somone with an open mind.
There are a few daults who start smoking I was 19 before I smoked.
Mr Tweeky

18 Feb 2006

Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
? Can't even light up at your wokplace or in a company vehicle, but hey its ok to smoke in the houses of parliment, whats does that tell you smokers and non smokers alike.

it tells me that we're being shafted

19 Feb 2006

Quote by JudyTV

? Can't even light up at your wokplace or in a company vehicle, but hey its ok to smoke in the houses of parliment, whats does that tell you smokers and non smokers alike.
it tells me that we're being shafted

Yes you are.
The reason your being shafted is because its you that chooses to pay around Â£5 or whatever for a pack of cigs. Some people smoke 2 packs a day (some even more) thats in the region of Â£3650 a year at the regular retail price.........with the main end results being discomfort to those around you and a detriment to your own health and a substantial dent in your disposable income....Yup your being well and truly shafted alright........you, .. not US.. its not that we're being shafted as you put it...your choice. I will just take the
Jude.
i think myself and FSC were talking about the double standards evident from the ban covering public places but not westminster.

19 Feb 2006

Quote by JudyTV

it didnt go past me............it was a nice useage of algebraeic semantic juggling.... but irreleavant im afraid.
and u still seem to be taking my comments out of context.
we were talking about the hypocracy of banning in some areas and not in others
i thank you for the "school mam" lecture, and i do appreciate that you might possibly have 3K in your bank account a year more than i do..... however it doesnt alter the issue of double standards nor how and why we have more prohibitive laws than ever before..... and more on the drafting table.

19 Feb 2006

I intensely dislike being in a smokey environment and I'd like to as a non-smoker, have rights to my health not being tarnished by someone else's bad habits.
It's an addictive drug and I wish it was banned fully. The actual practicalities of this are near impossible at the moment. I'd rather when I was out I could come home without my clothes, hair, skin and other items smelling of smoke. The health implications for smokers are awful and haivng recently seen a close family member suffer on the end of this, it's heart breaking.
I'm glad a packet of ciggies cost five quid, most of it being tax, and I wish they cost more so less people would do it so readily and more money goes into supporting the health service to look after those with smoking related diseases (hopefully).
It not fair on those around you to make them breathe your smoke. Ban it in all public places regardless asap please. My personal opinion of smoking. biggrin

Gem. x

19 Feb 2006

last weekend i went round leeds on a night out, there were 8 of us girls and 3 of the girls didnt smoke, there were a few pubs that when we were about to enter the doormen told us it was a no smoking pub so we turned heel and went to another pub, but these pubs that were no smoking did have quite a few people in so I would say it would be a good idea if some pubs were smoking and some were non smoking then the non smokers can enjoy a clean environment until they step outside and breath in al the fumes lol

19 Feb 2006

Quote by tina1
last weekend i went round leeds on a night out, there were 8 of us girls and 3 of the girls didnt smoke, there were a few pubs that when we were about to enter the doormen told us it was a no smoking pub so we turned heel and went to another pub, but these pubs that were no smoking did have quite a few people in so I would say it would be a good idea if some pubs were smoking and some were non smoking then the non smokers can enjoy a clean environment until they step outside and breath in al the fumes

Exactly, I can't really see what all the fuss is. Let's have enough social places to cater for all tastes. If ya don't like it, don't go to those places and let others have the enjoyment they want to have.

19 Feb 2006

I personally dont have a problem with the ban
however what i do have a problem with is the fact that the House of Commons is exempt from this ban, because its classed as a Palace.
Hummmmmmmmmm does that seem fair rolleyes