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So just who is this Dierdre Sanders from The Sun?

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His habit is rooted in depression
STAN may believe that dogging is just a bit of fun — but the sad truth is it’s dangerous and sordid sex with strangers.
It damages lasting relationships and risks sexual health.
Wife Estelle must be devastated about his “addictive” pastime.
It’s hard to understand why a wealthy person like Stan wants to hang around car parks to watch or join others having sex.
The draw lies in its sordidness. But the shame and risk tap into deep-down feelings of guilt and low-self-esteem that make it difficult to enjoy love, commitment and family life.
Since word spread via the internet and mobile phones there are more “doggers” than ever. I now hear from women under pressure from partners to go dogging. None want to.
Like prostitutes, many people who get involved have a history of neglect or abuse.
Like all addictions, Stan’s habit is rooted in depression. It’s time to look at what in his past left him vulnerable to getting his kicks this way — and to rebuild love and trust with Estelle and daughter Mia.

When I first read this I was angry at her words. But rather than shoot from the hip I thought I would do a little research…..
So who is Dierdre Sanders and what qualifies her to speak so authoritatively on this subject. Or is she just another person suffering from False Authority Syndrome?
Well lets look at her own bio:
Deidre Sanders, author, columnist, counsellor, TV presenter and the problem page editor for the Sun newspaper. Deidre is a Patron of Youth Access (National Association of Young People's Counselling and Advisory Centres), the National Association of People Abused in Childhood (NAPAC), a forum member of the Royal Society of Medicine, an honorary council member of the NSPCC, a member of the British Association of Counselling and of the National Commission of Inquiry into the Prevention of Child Abuse and a fellow of the Royal Society of Arts. Before her advice column in The Sun - for which she was nominated for a life-time achievement press award in 2000 - she wrote for The Sunday Times, Woman's Own and Nova magazine. As Editor of the "At Your Service" column for Woman's Own, she was Consumer Journalist of the Year and awarded a Jubilee Medal.

So – Let us look at what qualifies her to give this advice. She is a member of the British Association of Counselling. This is a membership that is open to anyone who is willing to pay the fee – whether they have a qualification of any sort in any subject. I could become a member tomorrow if I so wished to add a title to my name.
All of her other titles do not relate in any way to her having a qualification of any sort in the field of counselling.
She has basically been a reporter for a number of publications over many years.
Then I discovered something about how her advice column for The Sun works:
Deidre's office is in a secret location near Cambridge, above a greetings card shop. In the modern office suite, a team of ten women, including six trained counsellors and a sex therapist, sit sifting through letters…..
The headlines may sometimes be saucy: they are written by the newspaper's sub editors…..
Sally Carlow has been working for Deidre Sanders for 11 years. She, like the other counsellors, takes it in turn to spend one day a week reading the day's letters…….
They treat every letter received in the office as confidential (I was not allowed to look at any of them). Only rarely - for example in child abuse cases - would they break that confidentiality…..
The most likely letters for publication are given to Deidre Sanders. How does she choose from them?
"It's gut instinct - what jumps out for me." Obviously she has to bear in mind the need for balance, so a funny one might go alongside something more serious…….
Sanders does not pretend to be a social worker though. "I'm a problem page editor, not an individual counsellor," she insists. She started out as a journalist on Woman's Own, where she wrote a column on women's rights. But since taking on the job of agony aunt with the Sun she has been on counselling courses run by Relate and has trained in sex therapy…….

So – everything in the client Counsellor relationship is confidential – as it should be…. Nice to see I can buy a book called “Dear Deidre's Casebook: "Sun" Agony Aunt Deidre Sanders Presents 150 Cases from Her Files” at from Amazon then!
So what do we know then….
1) Comments like “Like prostitutes, many people who get involved have a history of neglect or  And “it’s dangerous and sordid sex with strangers” have no statistical evidence to back up the sweeping statements
2) It was probably not penned by her in the first place
3) She is not a practising counsellor herself of any description and no evidence can be found of her qualifications in the field
4) ANYONE is allowed to call themselves a counsellor in this country and practice as such without having to take a single course or qualification
5) “She has been on counselling courses run by Relate and has trained in sex therapy” could mean anything and could even relate to 1 day courses
In conclusion I now realise that she does suffer from False Authority Syndrome, hides behind others, uses smoke and mirrors to blow up her own self importance and in the meantime lend weight to something that actually sets out to destroy lives and not help them. Trys to tell us all she is sympathetic and trying to help whilst gloating at the exposure suffered by someone else who happens to earn more than her.
I can only liken her to someone who works for a brutal regime like Saddam Hussain's that goes round telling people it was their own fault they were maimed and murdered in the first place and she has no sympathy with them....
So - Got the facts to back up your arguements then Dierdre? - or was this all smoke and mirrors and you were not here and never said it. Or do you just enjoy trading in other people's misery and just use your false authority to legitimise a sordid act of entrapment?
Fred
Fred
Perhaps it should have read
Quote by FredFlintstone

Sun Reading may cause depression
The Sun may believe that their paper is just a bit of fun — but the sad truth is it’s dangerous and sordid .
It damages lasting relationships and risks sexual health.
Sensible people must be devastated about this “addictive” pastime.
It’s hard to understand why a wealthy person wants to buy the Sun to watch or read about others having sex.
The draw lies in its sordidness. But the shame and risk tap into deep-down feelings of guilt and low-self-esteem that make it difficult to enjoy its news stories.
Since word spread via the internet and mobile phones there are more “Sun Readers” than ever. I now hear from women under pressure from partners to go buy the Sun. None want to.
Like prostitutes, many people who get involved have a history of neglect or abuse.
Like all addictions, the Suns stories are rooted in lies. It’s time to look at what in the past was truthful is getting in the way of a story— and to rebuild readership and trust with other papers.
FredFlintstone & tall_dark_n_havesome - loved your postings. I'm really impressed.
As FredFlintstone's deconstruction points out, if you you look closely at our Deidre, all you find is "member of this", "Patron of that" or "nominated for what" - a paper thin CV for her job of stating a psychotherapist type of position on these issues.
I'd be willing to bet most qualified psychotherapists would shrug at the proposition that dogging is emotionally harmful.
Fred
I trained and practised as a relationship counsellor for 10 years. The first rule of counselling is to be non judgemental. Deirdre falls this immediately. Stan did not ask for her help..so she should stay out of the matter. Unfortunately magazine and newspaper counselling is dangerous. They barely have any facts. and are there to titilate. I know I spent most of my formative years scouring my sisters copies of Cosmo for them!!
Good one on one counselling avoids giving advice and is open to all lifestyles...
We seem to have a serious candidate for agony uncle column in the WI... god this place is full of expert peeps....
Gman smile
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We seem to have a serious candidate for agony uncle column in the WI... god this place is full of expert peeps....
Gman smile

We already have both an agony aunt and an agony uncle - Sappho and Brumlad. rolleyes
Neither of them have a single qualification in counselling but in Dierdre's eyes that makes them complete experts to advise us all on everything to do with life. rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
They have dealt with their first issue in this months WI Newsletter - due out as we speak - and no I am not nagging again Mark - OK I am! wink :wink: :wink:
Fred
Fred
I was pretty p***ed off when I read the article, but I sat and thought about it and came to the conclusion
Utter B***ocks
I am basing this reasoned conclusion on the following:-
1)
Since word spread via the internet and mobile phones there are more “doggers” than ever. I now hear from women under pressure from partners to go dogging. None want to.

Tim came across dogging and researched in on the internet, he found this site and became interested in the idea and discussed it with me.
We looked up locations near to us and went to see.
First visit - uneventful
Second visit - played a bit but a dog walker came and we stopped. (At this point I couldn't make my mind up if it was for me or not. There were definitely comfort issues i.e. steering wheels, gear sticks etc. in car and cold, mud and things outside)
Third visit - Myself aside, there was one woman there and a group of approx. 12 men all drinking and discussing very loudly what they were going to do to her, I was uncomfortable with this and we left.
At this point I decided dogging wasn't for me - I do NOT think it is disgusting or perverted or the province of sad, lonely, depressed people (I accept there may be some about though - hey Stan smile )
Not once did I consider writing to an Agony Aunt asking how to say no to my perverted/abusive/bullying/emotionally damaged/normal (delete as applicable depending on the other stories of the day) partner.
Instead I said 'Tim I don't think thats for me, however I do think I would like to try swinging' Rocket Science it's NOT!!!!!!
If after trying swinging I hadn't enjoyed that I would have told him and we wouldn't be here now waffling on. biggrin
2)
It’s hard to understand why a wealthy person like Stan wants to hang around car parks to watch or join others having sex.

What has money got to do with sexual choices, other than you may need it if prostitutes are all that rock your boat.
Oh I know - we could draw up guidelines. Something like:-
If your income is between £***,000 - £***,000 you will be expected to exclude yourself from the following sexual activities: Any outdoor sexual activity, dogging included.
3)
The draw lies in its sordidness. But the shame and risk tap into deep-down feelings of guilt and low-self-esteem that make it difficult to enjoy love, commitment and family life.

This is not my experience from talking to, and meeting a variety of the members from this site, I'm sure someone will tell me if I'm wrong about them :P
There were a couple of other reasons but Fred has listed them - cheers mate kiss my fingers are aching :notes:
Disclaimer
I fully accept: -
1) Dogging is an individual choice
2) People who have poor relationships do write to these agony aunts and some women and men are forced into things they do not wish to do.
3) That the only people she gets letters from on this subject are from those that don't want to and she has received absolutely none from the curious among the population :lol2: :lol2:
Dear Deidre,
I think I have a problem. Please can you help? I am working in a responsible, professional job. I am well educated and have a Ph.D. I have a few quid in the bank, my own house (two houses actually confused ), and a family. I see my parents regularly and had a pretty avergae up-bringing, all things considered. The problem is, I have to admit that I am a swinger :shock: . I indulge in sex with strangers in sex clubs and sometimes even invite strangers round to my house for sex. I also admit that I have been to car parks with the intention of having sex with strangers - a practice I believe is known as dogging. To make matters worse, I admit that I am addicted to a swinger's web site called swinging heaven. The people on this web site encourage my sordid activities. Please help me sort my life out.
Thanks
Bluexxx
lol :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Dear Blue,
You're clearly an intelligent person, fully aware of the consequences of your actions. You're not afraid to try new things, and not embarrassed to continue doing the things that you enjoy. You're not doing any harm to anyone. Quite the contrary - you're giving others the opportunity to enjoy themselves as much as you do.
Keep up the good work.
Love, Deirdre.
If only.
Blue
Having listened to your storey i suggest you take two men three times a day!!
That should do something for the stiffness!!!!
What a load of crap in a Crap Tabloid for thick assholes...If Stan wants to go and do a bit of Dogging then thats up to him.....and anyone else who wants to, including me.
The only thing that pisses me off is he got some action.....im still waiting for some.!!!!
I dont care if the Queen and Prince Phillip went out dogging....What the hell.......Just DO IT. :twisted:
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Dear Deidre,
< ... > To make matters worse, I admit that I am addicted to a swingers' web site called Swinging Heaven. < ... >
Bluexxx

Dear bluexxx,
I regret that it is widely accepted in the medical and clinical psychological profession that there is no known or anticipated cure.
Regards, Deidre :kissmyarse:
I think you are all being very nasty to dear-deidre.
She is making the best of her limited abilities, what she doesn't know about human relationships you could write on the sides of a pyramid.
She is obviously worried about the effect of rampant sexuality on sun readers, probably with good cause.
But worry no more, research shows that % of sun readers won't have finished reading the paper until the day after purchasing it, those with an interest in sport may never get to read the first pages anyway.
Well, better get out and about...see if the law in the silver zaffy are still trying to con poor innocent doggers in the laybys.
maybe an admin from this forum should e-mail this Diedre and give her the facts and get her to print them in the Sun,which by the way is not a paper i would are very very new newbies,we have seen no other cpl in action but we have both had fun playing with each other in a car park(1 full of cruisers smile)and my wife was more excited than i could wife was never pressurized into doing anything(she would tell me where to go :))but we both enjoyed and we will go again but we might leave it for a cpl of weeks because no doubt every police force in the uk will be doing more trips to secluded places,mrs telling me to get off soap-box lol
Well f**k you, Deirdre! (apologies for my language, fellow forumers)
I have most of your qualifications (and more). I am also a counsellor but I have chosen to work with people on a confidential basis and I go home at the end of the day and feel good about what I do.
I don't need to sell myself to a tabloid unlike yourself. You probably do no sort of counselling at all, you probably make a better living talking about celebrities sex lives.
Well good on you, Deirdre, nice to see you are sticking to your principles
:taz:
I think we're being hard on poor Deirdre,
She's never been the same since that business with Mike Baldwin.
so, I'm blaming Ken Barlow, Mike Baldwin and those blasted glasses....
Deirdre!! Now you've revealed yourself...what do you have to say about Dev ...or Charlie for that matter.
You naughty girl!!!
rotflmao
Artificer, you do this every time. We try to have a serious discussion and you have to turn it into a big joke.................................. Fantastic !!! rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
All I can say is ROFLMAO lol
Well researched, interesting, comic post. If only I could write as well as you guys (n gals)...
Thanks for putting a real face on some disgusting bad reporting, and raising my spirits that there are some real nice people out there who saw the article for what it was, an attack on some poor bloke just making his way through life.
This is contrasted by my collegues at work who just dont get it. Ho hum, one day maybe they will open their eyes to the real world...
OYYYYYYYYY!
Now someone tell me where the FUCK is Dierdre and why she won't come in here and debate the real issues in this matter - that she enjoys the systematic destruction of individuals with relish whilst disguising it as counselling?
COME ON DIERDRE - Show your face you cowardly bitch!!!!! :twisted: :twisted:
Not nice when people pick on you is it? rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Someone give her a call and tell her Fred wants a word!
Oh - and Stan - kick her one from me if you see her!
Fred
(Elected to fuck all, awarded fuck all, professional counsellor and work shy lazy bastard!)
Deirdre Sanders. noun. plural.
Machines having a powered abrasive-covered disk or belt, used for smoothing or polishing Deirdres.
@FredFlintstone: I like your spelling "Dierdre", but I prefer "Diredre"