ive been told under no uncertain terms that i will be banned if i invite members of this site to an enviroment where there is a potential to meet with banned members.....how do you guarantee this will not happen at swing club meets /socials?? in fact often the date is on the forum, the location is on the forum, any potential trouble maker can read the forum, and meet you there?
They will also be able to get a good idea of who is attending by the posts on that thread,
I cant get my head round the reason i was given for me having to make guarantees of no banned members or face a ban from this site at my home parties when i have control over who comes in and yet others can run a party , meet, social etc that they have no control over who attends , thus endangering other members , i use the word endanger as this was the reason given to me for the stance the site takes on guest lists .
The fact that people are being invited to attend a social gathering that they have to pay to attend cant be enough to ignore the rules of this site or reason rules exist ,can it? the same could be said about rios xtasia meets chameleons meets cupids etc...
should a private party be treated any different to a social at a swinging venue, they can be both advertised on here, where as the private party can have controls on who enters the swinging venue cannot......so should meets at swinging venues be kept secret for the safety of swinging heaven guests. Or perhaps invites done by pm only?
you've probably guessed im against the stance the site takes on vetting guest lists at private parties that are mentioned on here, a list of guests i believe should be made available to attendees if requested but not to mods for them to approve. However there seems to be a loop hole where the reasoning for this approval does not make sense?
I know the rules are the rules and i do abide by them but it should not stop me questioning them of course.
wrats
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Staggy,
Just to get this clear in my mind, is this what you are describing?
1, You decide to hold a party, presumably at your house or other private venue.
2, You advertise said event on SH to see who would like to come to the party.
3, You have to show the mods of this site the guest list.
4, The mods may ask you to remove certain guests from your list.
5, If you do not agree to do that you may be banned from SH.
John & Shel
Surely, if the event is being held in your own home, you should at least be given the right to conduct your own security measures.
A similar thing has happened before when we had a do at our house, and i thought the ruling was wrong then and i still think its wrong.
Your home is YOURS and nobody should be able to dictate who you have in your home.
Of course the possibility of banned members attending should be made public within the community, but the householder is the one who should decide.
I've mentioned it before, but unless you obtain explicit consent from attendees in advance to share even their username and intention to attend with the site owners of SH, and then do so, you are breaking the law.
I'll add that I agree with your position and think the whole issue is a result of severely muddled thinking.
As I understand it. You would be taking people through this site to an event or 'environment', where they could meet other people who have been banned from SH events.
Its a bit like saying 'those people were bad at my party, and because of that, I want to make sure they don't have any fun with anyone else I know'.
I can understand event organisers wanting to endorse certain practices at events for which they have some responsibility, but I don't think anyone can agree that they have the right to veto any activities outside their own interests and responsibility.
ive never had to show any mods a list of guests for my party
is this a new thing ?
thanks
jo x
I can understand the thinking behind the current rules regarding banned members, but I do have my concerns about them.
I know there have been socials/parties organised on here where banned members have attended, but this was kept quiet so the organiser didn't get banned.
The danger of this is that one of these days someone who is a serious threat to another will be attending the same event/party without their knowledge.
Personally I would prefer a rule that allow people to invite banned members to their social/party as long as they disclosed that a banned member would/could/might attend.
That way the organiser can choose who to invite but the guest can make an informed decision as to whether they are comfortable attending
What category of banned member are we talking about here? Members banned for misconduct at previous events? All banned members?
Is my safety being compromised if I attend a party where someone who is banned for posting their phone number is present? As Staggy said, how can the organisers of any event publicised on SH guarantee my safety unless it is held in a private venue with door security? What about all the private meets that are posted in LMU? If I arrange to meet a couple, how can I be sure that they have not also arranged for a banned member to be present? Should these adverts continue to be allowed unless the poster passes on the list of all those meeting?
If SH is taking on the role of 'guaranteeing' my safety like this, will I be able to sue for traumatic stress should I come across a banned member at a SH publicised function?
Is this, as Jo asks, a new rule or is it an old rule that is only invoked for certain events or people?
Banned members !!
from where ?
(1) Chat Rooms
(2) Forums
(3) Site.
Banned for how long ?
(1) Days
(2) Weeks
(3) Months
(4) Life
Admin = What does "presently" mean on the top of a banned persons profile ?
Admin = If this rule is to be applied, in fairness to those who do organise Socials (NOT MUNCHES), can you put up a list of those banned peolple and state (maybe) for how long
the ban is for.
eg:- a person this month is banned for a week, will they be allowed to attend a social in two weeks.
Clarification is needed, Not from Room Op's or Mods but from You the owners of the site.
I will now await my roasting.
Phredd
ive tried asking mods no repsonse , gave them 24 hours , it seemed long enough before comming in here , anyway the issue regarding a comparison with swing club events was never raised iirc
a certain mod said this has been done to death previously and it keeps cropping up, it crops up because its never been sorted to the extent where people actually feel happy with the outcome.
As the mods are privy to the reasons why people are banned,then we must take their word for the reasons of the ban,As many are aware this a certain ex-member was one of the reasons for the current rule set up on SH..if i remember correctly threatening members with violence and disrupting munches and socials was his Mod team decided for the safety of the members of this site to bring in this new rule...
Wowser, never saw myself ever getting involved in a thread like this, but I feel the need to come here and say that for the administration to attempt to control external events in such a way is COMPLETELY out of order. And, also, as has being mentioned, their way of enforcement could be illegal.
SwingingHeaven is a large and brilliant site, but it's far from being the center of the swinging community that this rule implies. What if I advertise an invite only party on multiple boards.
I have absolutely NO obligation to vet, check and/or publish the names of attendees. It would be a grey area to give the list of mods a guest list which consisted of members of this forum (If such a list was created through PM or offiste means), but to give them a list of usernames/names of people who ARE NOT on this site is utterly unacceptable and can never be seen any other way.
The site isn't a democracy and it's down to the managment to ban who they please, but to then try and exclude them in unrelated third party events is shocking behaviour.
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but I do get my chat fix more often than not ;)