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Ok first thread started for a while so please bear with me while I try to find my posting flow once more.........
So, as a few people already know, I am now the posting and male half of a swinging only couple after miss srne and myself called it a day in our relationship. We still advertise on here as a couple very occasionally as due to work commitments, life changes, geographical distance etc, we are unable to meet as often as we may like.
Which leads me, very fluidly onto the topic of my thread.......
Ok, so having taken a sabbatical from SH while we went through separating etc, we were talking online one night and got onto the subject of sex as you sometimes do :shock: . We were saying that although neither of us were short of offers, and had been leading quite active sex life lives we both missed the excitement and thrill that swinging brought.
Great we thought but having a couple of hundred miles between us was a problem, so we changed the profile and added that we were now a swinging only couple who also met separately. Miss srne had, contrary to the statement on our add declaring she was not looking to meet with single males, about 60 or so replies from said males within a week. Me however, not a sausage, so, I thought, I shall reply to a few adverts looking for males.......and would you believe it, not a single reply. Most unhappy at this I wrote a fantastic and well worded reply stating the situation, what I was about, looking for, looked like and all that sales pitch stuff and still nothing.
Anyway.........
Having long been a criticiser (is that a word?) of single males moaning that they get no replies I started to see how hard things were from the other side of the fence posts and felt a little guilty at some of my "off the cuff" remarks on previous "moaning threads" surprised
The real point though is, that, being a rather handsome and body beautiful type haha even though I have a relatively active sex life and a lot of attention from the opposite sex, now as a single male in a relationship sense, I miss the excitement of swinging and "vanilla" sex just doesn't really carry the same sort of thrill for me that it used to before the days of swinging and "non socially accepted" sexual activity. (Thank God for commas, or that would have had a few people gasping for breath)
Has anybody else been in this situation and how did they find it? It's not the sort of thing that you kind of put out there to new people you meet really is it, can you imagine......
"Hi, can I buy you a drink, I think your really attractive and am hoping that you will be up for meeting couples we don't even know and having wild, unrelenting sex with them in various different positions and scenarios, any chance of you number?"
Well, come on then, spill the proverbial beans........
Srne
As a single male, you (and I) are the lowest form of currency on sites like this. Just make the best of your assets and how you present them, and accept the fact that it will probably take months of concerted effort before you even get a reply, let alone a meet.
Hi easy rider, I think the thing is, I just always want more than I get as greedy as that sounds, the real point is that I miss the thrill of the meet ups on here which I dont get in vanilla life. I hate saying this as it makes me sound awful but I have no problem attracting women, it's just that I actually enjoy the whole swinging thing which makes the sexual stuff more exciting. It's like when I meet someone on a night out these days, having led a pretty wild sex life as I did with my now occasional swinging buddy, it never quite gives you that same thrill. Maybe I didn't put it across quite well enough in my post, like I said it's beent he first one for a while lol
oh goodness me... I so want to answer what I think you are asking..... but try as I might I just don't have any answers.
(apart from to say that I think it is admirable that you and your ex partner seem to have amicable defined- well done)
I will come back to this.... cos I have seen what you look like and know that it is the numbers on the site rather than anything to do with you personally.
I will think of something more helpful, let me potter off and re-think.
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oh goodness me... I so want to answer what I think you are asking..... but try as I might I just don't have any answers.
(apart from to say that I think it is admirable that you and your ex partner seem to have amicable defined- well done)
I will come back to this.... cos I have seen what you look like and know that it is the numbers on the site rather than anything to do with you personally.
I will think of something more helpful, let me potter off and re-think.

Haha.....Er thanks Splendid, I think lol
Sorry, I have no answers for you, but as one of the afflicted, I found your post interesting, I look forward to seeing how this turns out.
I still am not sure what you are asking, but here is my take from someone that doesn’t swing anymore.
I think like most things in life that are different from the norm there is always more of a thrill in the beginning, will me I found that the thrill to meet a new person was not as intense when I decided to quit as it was in the beginning, hence one of my reasons to stop. What I found more enjoyable was meeting the same people as with time you felt more relaxed and able to discuss trying new things on subsequent meeting with them, as I felt I tried a lot of things I came here to try and a lot of things I never thought I would try I was happy to stop swinging and meeting new men.
Do I miss it?
I miss the interaction with people the fun and laughter I had here on my quest to meet the right people, That is why I am still here, but I don’t miss the having sex with other men, I enjoyed what I done and with whom I done it with, most of which I am still friends with, I have fond memories of times shared together with them and those memories will be there forever. But I have my husband and he is the one I have always wanted so I am a happy quitter.
Maybe I was never a real swinger something I often wonder, but I do like the liberal minds of a lot of people here.
Would we resume one day?
Who's knows what the future holds and how we might feel a year from now, so I never say never.
Yeah I would definitely agree that the people here are a big draw that brings me back. It's the liberated outlook like you mentioned that makes me feel sort of that I belong here a bit, and that I'm maybe not weird just a little more adventurous than non swingers.
I talk more openly and honestly through these forums than I do to anyone I know in a non swinging way, even about things non sex related, strange that, never really thought of it that way till just now!
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Srne
As a single male, you (and I) are the lowest form of currency on sites like this. Just make the best of your assets and how you present them, and accept the fact that it will probably take months of concerted effort before you even get a reply, let alone a meet.

Er....no! I don't see it that way and/or see myself as one of the 'lowest forms of currency' confused Have some self-pride man! biggrin
And having met Srne socially, the guy is a hunk of a handsome bloke and won't be short of offers, I'm sure. I think he was referring to the lack of excitement in vanilla meets vs. the naughtiness of swinging meets as opposed to not getting any! wink
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Srne
As a single male, you (and I) are the lowest form of currency on sites like this. Just make the best of your assets and how you present them, and accept the fact that it will probably take months of concerted effort before you even get a reply, let alone a meet.

Er....no! I don't see it that way and/or see myself as one of the 'lowest forms of currency' confused Have some self-pride man! biggrin
And having met Srne socially, the guy is a hunk of a handsome bloke and won't be short of offers, I'm sure. I think he was referring to the lack of excitement in vanilla meets vs. the naughtiness of swinging meets as opposed to not getting any! wink
Yeah I was, but was worried I hadn't put my point across in a clear way. It was the excitement factor I miss in normal sexual situations that I was trying to get over. Oh and thanks for the compliment Bloke, your nor so bad yourself, in a purely heterosexual, happy to say another guy is attractive kind of way :wink: !x
As a confirmed hedonist and libertine, I think I understand where you're coming from. It's why I dabble on here from time to time as the mood takes me.
Speaking from the perspective of someone of advancing years, questionable looks biggrin (though I keep myself in good physical shape) and being somewhat altitude challenged - in the words of Cleese et al
you lucky, lucky b'stard :D
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Srne
As a single male, you (and I) are the lowest form of currency on sites like this. Just make the best of your assets and how you present them, and accept the fact that it will probably take months of concerted effort before you even get a reply, let alone a meet.

Er....no! I don't see it that way and/or see myself as one of the 'lowest forms of currency' confused Have some self-pride man! biggrin
And having met Srne socially, the guy is a hunk of a handsome bloke and won't be short of offers, I'm sure. I think he was referring to the lack of excitement in vanilla meets vs. the naughtiness of swinging meets as opposed to not getting any! wink
Yeah I was, but was worried I hadn't put my point across in a clear way. It was the excitement factor I miss in normal sexual situations that I was trying to get over. Oh and thanks for the compliment Bloke, your nor so bad yourself, in a purely heterosexual, happy to say another guy is attractive kind of way :wink: !x
I think I mis-read/understood your initial post and picked up on your comment about seeing it from the other side smile
Bioke - I am proud of myself, to the point of arrogance at times, and a total intellectual/cultural snob, though I try to make an effort not to patronise too much (but sometimes I just can't resist). I didn't mean it to sound like I had a poor self image, just being a realist :)
right, I sorta got it.
Worlass and I picked up a chap the other weekend (vanilla straight nightclub). Now, we have attempted to do this before and lucked out as the men in question perceived us to be of questionable mental health. Something to do with having spent months/years tugging away to the porn images that we physically represented and not believing that 'all my dreams have come true'. (just for info I am not likening us to porn stars- they are much slimmer and have much better nails than either of us- but I think you know what I mean)
Anyhoo... we pick up this guy and we both like him.. he does think that we are winding him up but is slightly more adventurous than the 'norm' we were very in depth about what we 'do' and he was blown away and very enthusiastic. He lived upto what we wanted and more.
My point being is that we were open about what we wanted and specific about the kind of things that we do in bed. I know that women on the pull are less explicit (generally) but am sure that we are not unique.
On here we are just the same, although we appreciate flattery like everyone else we prefer honesty about people. We like humour and we like someone who knows their limits. When men declare they can fulfil our every desire we know they are incapable just because their arrogance will trip them up before they kiss us.
Ummm gotta go out now.. but I hope that is enough to be going on with ??? Am I helping at all ?
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Yeah I would definitely agree that the people here are a big draw that brings me back. It's the liberated outlook like you mentioned that makes me feel sort of that I belong here a bit, and that I'm maybe not weird just a little more adventurous than non swingers.
I talk more openly and honestly through these forums than I do to anyone I know in a non swinging way, even about things non sex related, strange that, never really thought of it that way till just now!

Talking more openly here I have found is mainly because the topic of conversation in the vanilla world is mainly sex, in here sex is what the site is based around to a large degree, so once you take away the topic everything is up to be discussed. I think that is why some people always say what you have you can discuss anything here.
Hey Srne.
Really interesting post.
I dabbled in vanilla last autumn and went on a few dates, met a guy, things started getting interesting (he was surprisingly non-vanilla in some respects! wink) But... I know what you mean. I missed the certain frisson I get from some of the swinging meets I have, the ability to suggest stuff without fear of recrimination, the willingness to experiment and try stuff a little "out there" that comes with some in the swinging world.
I have decided that what I'm looking for is a very very kinky and deviant vanilla type... or a swinger with latent vanilla tendencies to kinda get the balance right! I'm still looking and until then I'm still happily swinging! cool
You get the same end result with swinging as with vanilla, but vanilla takes soooooooooo much longer to get there you've often forgotten what you wanted in the first place rolleyes
or is it just me?
oh, and I just looked at your profile and you haven't got any piccies of yourself srne. So were you to contact me, for example, I would look at your profile and instantly think that you weren't all that you said you were. ( I am weary of 'couples' profiles where only the woman is displayed as if she is the main event)
I know that women on here will be as weary of that as I am .. so perhaps that is a little pointer.
Ummm following on from the 'frisson' thing that Nola referred to. I suppose what I get from swinging is that I don't really get the whole 'date' thing that happens in vanillaville. It has never been my thing and never will. In fact I only started having dates with worlass when we were in a relationship and that was many months after we had started having sex. The 'thing' that swinging gives me is the common understanding that what we want from each other is sex and that it IS the most important thing.... I don't worry that he/she/they may think bad of me for wanting to miss out the dinner and date stuff. I can be honest and say that I will know in 30secs that I either want to fuck them or not and it will be a bonus if they are just as honest. (and no hard feelings if we are not attracted to each other)
Oh, I do love a thread that makes me think.. and all my cogs are turning. I apologise for waffling tho'
This may be wrong and a bit emotive (so I'm claiming a bit of devil's advocate here) but do you think the buzz from swinging comes solely from the involvement of a couple?
For example it is only the offer of a wife, husband or partner that gives it the buzz. It is the tension created within the relationship, which is allowed through tolerance and understanding that makes it special.
I'm sure some would argue that that is the definition of swinging and that anything else is just sex.
Not sure I've got me thinking straight on this.
If it is true - and this is where it might get really emotive - it might explain some of the comments above about singles within the swinging scene because they don't actually 'contribute' their quota of tension. They receive the benefits of experiencing the tension they might create in a couple but they don't have their own tension to put in the pot so to speak.
It might explain why there are so many singles available and why couples might appear to be very choosy.
Just a theory.
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oh, and I just looked at your profile and you haven't got any piccies of yourself srne. So were you to contact me, for example, I would look at your profile and instantly think that you weren't all that you said you were. ( I am weary of 'couples' profiles where only the woman is displayed as if she is the main event)
I know that women on here will be as weary of that as I am .. so perhaps that is a little pointer.
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Yeah this is true, they were on there from the days we used to swing regularly as a couple and it appeared that mainly all we ever got asked for was photos of the female half (the words "me", "being" and "third wheel" springs to mind lol )
Now, when I send replies to couples seeking males, I sort of use a copy and paste method and just change some aspects depending on certain criteria that they are looking for and I am happy with. On there I put that I am willing and happy to send photographs, give my mobile number and meet for a drink socially beforehand.
The reason I think we didn't put photos of me on previously was that they seemed surplus to requirements, I think I shall get the old photo shop on and take some well received advice. biggrin
IN EDIT : some good replies on here, knew there was a reason I liked you lot. (a bit).
welcome to the other side of the fence...
I'm learning...I was under the misapprehension that vanilla was a term mostly used in the bdsm scene to define what is not part of the bdsm scene.
I guess there are more uses for the term..:P
now an introductory note I've written after the rest of this post:
what follows is not a rant and is not intended as a moan, criticism towards anyone or anything like that. it's just a series of observations derived from a couple of months of perusing the various areas of this website.
I was under the impression that this was a place where yes, the main "thing" is couples meeting couples or singles (or more :P).. but that there was also room for play for single guys and girls between each other...
going by the various posts in this very forum, I'm comming to the conclusion that probably this is not the case...and that the massive quantity of single guys is not the main reason for so many of them/us not getting a "date/meet"... but rather a commercial comodity for the owners of the site
I'm starting to think that the "core" of this website's users are couples and that they are ...how to put it without offending anyone?... looking down on single guys as being somewhat of intruders in their "playground"...
I know this can't be entirely true, because apparently there is plenty of request for men when it comes to gangbangs or dogging etc etc..
but still..I can't really shake that impression.
it's odd though..I've been (and still am) on 3 other websites of similar nature..and this is the first time I get this "elitist" impression.
that said, it is of course quite natural that many single guys don't get to meet anyone, no matter how hard they might try...lol.. given the odds...
I also reckon that for a single guy to meet a single girl just doesn't qualify for swinging... (then again, I'm personally looking for that, but not just for that..so...)
don't get me wrong...I am quite patient and am seeing someone on an nsa basys, so it's not like I'm here ranting for the lack of sex..
but I'm starting to think this website is just the wrong place to be looking (comparing it to other similar websites), what with being primarilly focussed on couples and "proper swinging"..(still trying to define what that is :P)
right..I have the feeling I'm loosing the plot about what I was trying to say..if I ever had a plot..so I might as well stop it before I start to make no sense at all..lol
melting pot, I think that you are taking a tiny portion of users to be representative of the whole and you are mistaken.
Swinging is whatever a person who swings defines it as. If you think that it includes you then it will, if you don't it won't.
I am just as much a swinger when I meet single men on my own (which is the majority of the time) as when I (rarely) meet single men with worlass and (rarer still) couples with worlass.
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fookin bollox
i just type a long reply and its fookin gone before i posted
Grrrrrrrrrrr
i may come back later too annoyed at mo
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I'm starting to think that the "core" of this website's users are couples and that they are ...how to put it without offending anyone?... looking down on single guys as being somewhat of intruders in their "playground"...
I know this can't be entirely true, because apparently there is plenty of request for men when it comes to gangbangs or dogging etc etc..
but still..I can't really shake that impression.
it's odd though..I've been (and still am) on 3 other websites of similar nature..and this is the first time I get this "elitist" impression.


I'm starting to think that the "core" of this website's users are couples and that they are ...how to put it without offending anyone?... looking down on single guys as being somewhat of intruders in their "playground"...

I just wanted to give you my view on these parts you have written
I have been on this website for a couple of years now I being the female part of a couple Hubby left me to chat and find guys to invite into our live to share with us what we both wanted. I was always in the chatrooms I observed for a long time just watching the way people interact with mainly men and feeling to a degree if I was a single man I would feel a little how you feel. There are a lot of people I have witnessed over the years that do see single guys as an extra in their playground.
And I do feel a lot of couples feel that for the single guy they should feel honoured that they have been invited to take part in what ever they have been invited to take part in. We personally never saw it that way, as we wanted someone to share with us so to expect them to have respect in what we were doing we needed to respect them to for all giving what we all wanted out of this lifestyle, there are plenty of couples like us too on the site, don’t tarnish all with the same brush.
They might be almost impossible to find but they are around it took us a year of coming on here in the chatrooms, ads etc to find the first guy we met, but then we met him 6 times over the last two years + and we are still friends even though we don’t meet for sex anymore.
as I said, I'm sure that my opinion is not entirely correct and is biased by the fact that I am indeed a single guy..
but your words, minx, do confirm that my "sensation" is not entirely off the mark.
the fact that you as part of a couple have, sometimes, had the same impression, does say something about the majority of the population of this website.
that said, I try not to make too many generalisations and I'm sure there are perfectly sensible couples and, (I hope biggrin) a number of single ladies too, that are a bit more levelheaded and that share the basic respect for the human being that makes me and the likes of me not just a random cock to be used and disposed of.
I appreciate the fact that this website, through it's veterans, has created quite a close-knit comunity..
now to a more specific curiosity, ..am I right in thinking that the majority of the population thinks swinging is such only if it includes at least 3 people?:P:P(by that I mean 2 or more people having sex but at least one of them being part of a couple)
/OTEND
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melting pot, I think that you are taking a tiny portion of users to be representative of the whole and you are mistaken.

my observations come from reading a long range of topics on this forum and observing ads, profiles and general demeanour in the chatrooms... if you think I'm wrong, I'll have to take your word for it, as I'm fairly new...
so far though I have seen little to make me think I am wrong. (and no, I'm not talking about interest in my persona...I'm thinking general attitude)... then again, maybe I'm looking at the wrong people.
Bleeeedin 'eck opened a right old can 'o worms this one hasn't it think i might retake my sabbatical from posting if this is what I stir up lol
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Bleeeedin 'eck opened a right old can 'o worms this one hasn't it think i might retake my sabbatical from posting if this is what I stir up lol

:thumbup: good!