Although i didn't agree with Maggie Thatcher on some of her politics. I cant help but like the woman.
And i would definately rate her as one of the top twenty most inflential people of the 20thC
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Thought you were about to say shes dead :shock:
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I remember hearing that she wanted to put dolphins in Loch Ness to find out if there was really something in there....ok good idea in theory.
but, if the dolphins found nothing it would kill a major part of scotlands tourism would it not? Therefore, bloody bad idea.
but, if the dolphins found nothing it would kill a major part of scotlands tourism would it not? Therefore, bloody bad idea.
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Although i didn't agree with Maggie Thatcher on some of her politics. I cant help but like the woman.
And i would definately rate her as one of the top twenty most inflential people of the 20thC
Yes she did several things that were no mean feat.... one if them was to close more theatres and galleries than the Second World War did! :shock:
Hmmmm a very interesting thread which I think will provoke many posts.. for and against.
Thatcher was one of few Conservative MPs to support the decriminalisation of male homosexuality which was a good move.
In my eyes her main downfall was the new system to replace local government taxes, the rates were replaced by the Community Charge (more widely known as the "poll tax"), which applied the same amount to every individual resident, with discounts for low earners. This was to be her downfall apparently.
And that's without the miner's strike business beforehand! :shock:
No I didn't particularly like her, but then again I'm not a great fan of many MP's to be honest.
Thatcher was one of few Conservative MPs to support the decriminalisation of male homosexuality which was a good move.
In my eyes her main downfall was the new system to replace local government taxes, the rates were replaced by the Community Charge (more widely known as the "poll tax"), which applied the same amount to every individual resident, with discounts for low earners. This was to be her downfall apparently.
And that's without the miner's strike business beforehand! :shock:
No I didn't particularly like her, but then again I'm not a great fan of many MP's to be honest.
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And that's without the miner's strike business beforehand! :shock:
Coming from a mining family i have to say i hate the woman and her treatment of the miners (and yes hate is a very strong word). Her actions destroyed many towns and communities, many of which are still struggling to recover. Wont post more now as it means delving deep into family history that i would rather not bring the emotions back on - BUT I personally hope she rots in hell.
What Thatcherism gave us was a "me me me me" lifestyle in the 80's which has given us a generation of children who expect their parents to work hard and be kept. Over generalisation? maybe, but I am very worried about how children born in the late 80's and early 90's see the world.
Thatcher was created in a time when women were struggling to still be given equality in the home and workplace. She was seen as an icon for women to follow (a female with male balls). Now in the world of work men who portray more female traits are regarded as the more successful leaders and women dont have to emulate men.
I grew up under thatcherism and all I know is high mortgages, capitalism, the "I" culture are things I hate rather than her personally.
Thatcher was created in a time when women were struggling to still be given equality in the home and workplace. She was seen as an icon for women to follow (a female with male balls). Now in the world of work men who portray more female traits are regarded as the more successful leaders and women dont have to emulate men.
I grew up under thatcherism and all I know is high mortgages, capitalism, the "I" culture are things I hate rather than her personally.
What Maggie did, was stand up for the many in this country.
She stood up to the Miners Unions trying to hold us all to ransom for coal.
She give the Argies a Bloody noise and told the world not to mess with us. The 15 marines in Iran would be home now if Maggie was in charge. Mind you we would not be there anyway.
She got the biggest rebate back from the EU and the French. Given back on mess by the Labour Goverment in the last couple of years
She was an partner with the USA not a Puppy like now.
She stood up to the Miners Unions trying to hold us all to ransom for coal.
She give the Argies a Bloody noise and told the world not to mess with us. The 15 marines in Iran would be home now if Maggie was in charge. Mind you we would not be there anyway.
She got the biggest rebate back from the EU and the French. Given back on mess by the Labour Goverment in the last couple of years
She was an partner with the USA not a Puppy like now.
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And that's without the miner's strike business beforehand! :shock:
Coming from a mining family i have to say i hate the woman and her treatment of the miners (and yes hate is a very strong word). Her actions destroyed many towns and communities, many of which are still struggling to recover. Wont post more now as it means delving deep into family history that i would rather not bring the emotions back on - BUT I personally hope she rots in hell.
You are right, the amount of people living on the poverty line (and below) was disgusting.
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What Thatcherism gave us was a "me me me me" lifestyle in the 80's which has given us a generation of children who expect their parents to work hard and be kept. Over generalisation? maybe, but I am very worried about how children born in the late 80's and early 90's see the world.
Thatcher was created in a time when women were struggling to still be given equality in the home and workplace. She was seen as an icon for women to follow (a female with male balls). Now in the world of work men who portray more female traits are regarded as the more successful leaders and women dont have to emulate men.
I grew up under thatcherism and all I know is high mortgages, capitalism, the "I" culture are things I hate rather than her personally.
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Thatcherism will IMHO eventually come to mean selfishness in the history books.
She was a ruthless politician who would stop at nothing. However, there are certain problems in the UK today that I can't help thinking we wouldn't have if Thatcher was in power.
ON a lighter note, did you know she was part of the team who created Whippy ice cream? :giggle:
I was pretty young when she was in power so only really know about her main policies from the time eg miners, poll tax, Falklands and Cold war etc.
I do remember her stopping free milk at school aswell
She seems to have a love her or hate her thing going on and certainly brings out strong emotions in people whether bad or good.
I tell you what though, i would rather have her as a friend instead of an enemy!!!! She was hard as nails!
I do remember her stopping free milk at school aswell
She seems to have a love her or hate her thing going on and certainly brings out strong emotions in people whether bad or good.
I tell you what though, i would rather have her as a friend instead of an enemy!!!! She was hard as nails!
Actually I was on a march to protest against the stopping of milk in schools. I must admit when everyone got it for free it was ok but when only 'poorer families' qualified for it there was a lot of discrimination went on and the poorer kids were singled out and picked on because of it. One reason I like uniforms in school cause it does help stop the children form less wealthy families been shown up so much.
In the end I think her policy was right though as now people have enough money to buy their children milk so its not really necessary anymore and its only the over zealous health conscious people who make their children vegans who get rickets through lack of vitamin C now. Not because people can't afford milk.
She did stick to her word and her guns and thats something to be admired.
DD
In the end I think her policy was right though as now people have enough money to buy their children milk so its not really necessary anymore and its only the over zealous health conscious people who make their children vegans who get rickets through lack of vitamin C now. Not because people can't afford milk.
She did stick to her word and her guns and thats something to be admired.
DD
Thatcher's quip that 'there is no such thing as society', but only individuals who are basically out for themselves was unforgivable. It let loose a flood of selfish nastiness that this country has never really gotten over. It is true that we are now more 'free' because of her; but only in a very narrow economic sense. It seems great being free to afford all sorts of consumer goods, but being free to find yourself an NHS dentist isn't nearly so wonderful.
Thatcher manufactured the war with Argentina in the same way that she manufactured the war with the miners. Both were cynical acts of political posturing designed to cement her place in history.
Any fool can be divisive. Great politicians unite communities. They don't deny they ever existed in the first place. Thatcher will go down in history for sure; but it will be as a crook rather than as the great saviour she sees herself as.
Thatcher manufactured the war with Argentina in the same way that she manufactured the war with the miners. Both were cynical acts of political posturing designed to cement her place in history.
Any fool can be divisive. Great politicians unite communities. They don't deny they ever existed in the first place. Thatcher will go down in history for sure; but it will be as a crook rather than as the great saviour she sees herself as.
I find it a little annoying when people refer to Mrs. Thatcher as 'having balls', ie behaving very masculine. Funny though, that most people who use this tagline for her are men. Is it because they would rather refer to a dominant woman as masculine than to admit that yes, some women do have the guts to stick their fingers up to aggressors and stand up for themselves?
There are some aspects of Mrs Thatcher's ( or rather, her civil servants' )policies I totally disapproved of, ie Poll Tax, the Miner's Strike, the birth of a greedy money-grabbing generation etc but then I can admire her for the stance she took over the Falklands, against the US War policies and she refused to be railroaded into anything, except the stab in the back she got at the end of her career when her civil servants had had enough.
I get the feeling we wouldn't have any troops being kidnapped and murdered in Iraq right now if she was in power instead of Blair. She didn't suck dick with the US like he does and would have told Bush where to stick it.
Every politician has good policies and bad ones, they have supporters and haters. They make good decisions and real bad ones.
I reckon the 'Yes, Minister' writers had it to a T ! This country is not run by the politicians and PM. It's run by the backroom boys who tell the MPs and PM what to say, when to say it and 'yes Minister, this Foreign Policy really IS the best thing to make Britain Great again'
There are some aspects of Mrs Thatcher's ( or rather, her civil servants' )policies I totally disapproved of, ie Poll Tax, the Miner's Strike, the birth of a greedy money-grabbing generation etc but then I can admire her for the stance she took over the Falklands, against the US War policies and she refused to be railroaded into anything, except the stab in the back she got at the end of her career when her civil servants had had enough.
I get the feeling we wouldn't have any troops being kidnapped and murdered in Iraq right now if she was in power instead of Blair. She didn't suck dick with the US like he does and would have told Bush where to stick it.
Every politician has good policies and bad ones, they have supporters and haters. They make good decisions and real bad ones.
I reckon the 'Yes, Minister' writers had it to a T ! This country is not run by the politicians and PM. It's run by the backroom boys who tell the MPs and PM what to say, when to say it and 'yes Minister, this Foreign Policy really IS the best thing to make Britain Great again'
She had her good point and her bad points, you can never please all the population its impossible. But I can remember is she did seem to be a prime misister that wanted run the country in what she thought was its bests interest, most mp's are only in it for the money these days and what pension they walk away with because its easier than working in the private sector.
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As a thatcher child born at the end of her reign i cant really comment, but her son!!! :giggle:
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I get the feeling we wouldn't have any troops being kidnapped and murdered in Iraq right now if she was in power instead of Blair.
Now forgive me if i am wrong but wasnt Terry Waite and the other men in Lebanon all held hostage during her reign?
I dont think its a very valid argument thats all - although i agree about blair being the US puppy dog!
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Didn't Thatcher bring out the "right to buy council houses" ??
She did.
well she did one good thing then!
Except if you're now languishing on a waiting list. She also stopped councils from building further public housing to make up for the stock they were forced to sell.
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Didn't Thatcher bring out the "right to buy council houses" ??
She did.
well she did one good thing then!
Except if you're now languishing on a waiting list. She also stopped councils from building further public housing to make up for the stock they were forced to sell.
well we bought all council house...it helped us no end...besides any houses or flats being built now are going to the wrong people!...so if your languishing on a waiting list its because of the crap immigration system we have in place now!
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Thatcher's quip that 'there is no such thing as society', but only individuals who are basically out for themselves was unforgivable. It let loose a flood of selfish nastiness that this country has never really gotten over. It is true that we are now more 'free' because of her; but only in a very narrow economic sense. It seems great being free to afford all sorts of consumer goods, but being free to find yourself an NHS dentist isn't nearly so wonderful.
Thatcher manufactured the war with Argentina in the same way that she manufactured the war with the miners. Both were cynical acts of political posturing designed to cement her place in history.
Any fool can be divisive. Great politicians unite communities. They don't deny they ever existed in the first place. Thatcher will go down in history for sure; but it will be as a crook rather than as the great saviour she sees herself as.
Fine post - I agree with it all.
What would Thatcher think of Swinging Heaven if she came in here to have a nosey? Well, she had no strong sense of personal morality, she believed that the market should decide most things, so she wouldn't necessarily be shocked.
She would probably tell the site owners that they weren't charging enough, and that they should stop all these namby-pamby free memberships and make everyone pay at the market rate!
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I admire anyone who has the guts to follow anything though, and I believe Maggie did. Good and bad points about her time as PM but I truely believe she earnt the right to be admired or hated. Either make her one of the most influential people this country had during the last half of the century.
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I admire anyone who has the guts to follow anything though, and I believe Maggie did. Good and bad points about her time as PM but I truely believe she earnt the right to be admired or hated. Either make her one of the most influential people this country had during the last half of the century.
Mrs G x
Guts and not balls? :giggle:
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I give her credit and admire her for the fact that she is/was one of the last politicians to stand and be counted. I think this of Tony Benn too and you dont get politically further apart from them.
I understand newbies point regarding the Miners strike and empathise entirely. There was wholesale destruction of people and communities at this time.
My father was a policeman during the miners strike and was injured by a brick from a 'bussed in' Miner from another area other than the one in which he was on duty at. He was taken in by a local striking Miner and his family who became and still are family friends.
it was a strange time full of good and bad. I just cant help liking people who stand up for what they believe. Lets face it politics and politicians seem so bland and evasive at present. How many of us turn on to watch a speech or see a broadcast nowadays? Not many.
I understand newbies point regarding the Miners strike and empathise entirely. There was wholesale destruction of people and communities at this time.
My father was a policeman during the miners strike and was injured by a brick from a 'bussed in' Miner from another area other than the one in which he was on duty at. He was taken in by a local striking Miner and his family who became and still are family friends.
it was a strange time full of good and bad. I just cant help liking people who stand up for what they believe. Lets face it politics and politicians seem so bland and evasive at present. How many of us turn on to watch a speech or see a broadcast nowadays? Not many.
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Didn't Thatcher bring out the "right to buy council houses" ??
She did.
well she did one good thing then!
Is it a good thing though? So the council have built lots of new houses for those who cannot afford to buy privately? Social housing availabilty has dramatically declined since Maggie approved this. Waiting lists are horrendous. Our homeless figures are sky high. I am all for the new legislation which will revoke the right to buy rule.
like i said...considering house prices these days....buying our council house was the only way of being able to own something and get onto the property ladder,avarage house prices in London are £300,000....we could have continued paying rent...but i certainly still don't want to be doing that when i retire.
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Thatcher's quip that 'there is no such thing as society', but only individuals who are basically out for themselves was unforgivable. It let loose a flood of selfish nastiness that this country has never really gotten over. It is true that we are now more 'free' because of her; but only in a very narrow economic sense. It seems great being free to afford all sorts of consumer goods, but being free to find yourself an NHS dentist isn't nearly so wonderful.
Thatcher manufactured the war with Argentina in the same way that she manufactured the war with the miners. Both were cynical acts of political posturing designed to cement her place in history.
Any fool can be divisive. Great politicians unite communities. They don't deny they ever existed in the first place. Thatcher will go down in history for sure; but it will be as a crook rather than as the great saviour she sees herself as.
Fine post - I agree with it all.
What would Thatcher think of Swinging Heaven if she came in here to have a nosey? Well, she had no strong sense of personal morality, she believed that the market should decide most things, so she wouldn't necessarily be shocked.
She would probably tell the site owners that they weren't charging enough, and that they should stop all these namby-pamby free memberships and make everyone pay at the market rate!
I think she would probably wonder why anybody was wasting their time on here when they could be earning more money to spend on more stuff they didn't perhaps need.
