So train fares are the highest in europe but then the trains are also over crowded, late or missing and owned by private business. In Europe most if not all train services are owned by the state and offer better services, cleaner trains, and are cheaper.
Are there any other de-nationalised desasters?
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Train fares Highest in Europe
Sex God
Gas and Electric for a starter...
Sex God
Trains in this country take up to much room cost too much are mostly uncomfortable, especially during peak travel times. I still believe that they should be phased out and replaced with decent road structures and car parking. It only makes sense and would stop the whole country paying £5.5 (ORR figs for 2006) billion in subsidies.
Using cars pays almost immeasurable amounts of £ into the economy in a multitude of ways. Its not a popular idea I know but I think it weighs up well. I'm almost sold on the idea that conjestion charging could well be more preferable than railtravel.
Fares are a disgrace pure and sinple. Oh and bloody complicated being different costs at different times etc.
Using cars pays almost immeasurable amounts of £ into the economy in a multitude of ways. Its not a popular idea I know but I think it weighs up well. I'm almost sold on the idea that conjestion charging could well be more preferable than railtravel.
Fares are a disgrace pure and sinple. Oh and bloody complicated being different costs at different times etc.
Sex God
Quote by Resonance
Gas and Electric for a starter...
Yup and post office/royalmail is up and coming too and what about water as well OK, BT seems to of worked I guess
Sex God
Quote by The_third_man
So train fares are the highest in europe but then the trains are also over crowded, late or missing and owned by private business. In Europe most if not all train services are owned by the state and offer better services, cleaner trains, and are cheaper.
Are there any other de-nationalised desasters?
:x :x :x working in the european train industry, when this subject when people raise it really winds me up... because you seem to have missed some bits
so lets go thru it....
Quote by Passenger focus
some long-distance fares to London were cheaper than comparable fares to other European big cities.
so where was that in your Opening post, or did you decide to skip over that bit in your rant?
Everthing goes on sale approx 3 months before you travel... so take advantage and don't dither around if you know...
people who know me ask me to see if i can find cheap tickets for them....
Quote by Passenger focus
Looking at long-distance journeys, the underlying fares structure was "complicated and not logical" and had to be seen to be fairer to passengers.
Well in the UK now you can only get 3 types of tickets since they renamed them all... "advance", "off-peak" and "anytime".... how much more simple would you like it?
the fare structures in france and germany for example are no more simple, take it from someone who books them day in day out......
Quote by Passenger focus
For example, in Britain long-distance turn-up-and-go fully flexible day-return fares to the principal city (London) were 87% more expensive than in the next most expensive country surveyed - Germany.
.... nice headline grabber there, doesn't tell you though that if you wait till "off peak" the price comparison is roughly the same
Quote by Passenger focus
However, most British passengers appeared better served than other European passengers by the number and times of trains available
So Again where was that in your Opening?????? or did you gloss over that as well......
I am not saying that everything is rosy.... there are good and bad in that report, and only to highlight the bad is grossly unfair to everyone who works there nuts off in the industry....
Sex God
Quote by The_third_man
who the f is passenger focus?
PASSENGER FOCUS IS THE INDEPENDENT NATIONAL RAIL CONSUMER WATCHDOG. OUR MISSION IS TO GET THE BEST DEAL FOR PASSENGERS.
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This was this mornings train ride to work, and its nearly always like this.
Is it a bit rough where you live?
The guy in the foreground feels the need to wear a hard hat on the journey :shock:
Or is he the local MP?
Dunno but I guess he would not be best pleased appearing in a thread on a swingers site hehehe
Get rid of trains and have more roads and cars..... oh thats so practical isn`t it.
So what happens then to the people who cant drive for age or physical reasons that rely on the trains, or school kids who use the trains to get to school because that is the only means available!!!
So our trains are sometimes delayed, yeah well cars get stuck in traffic jams too and make us late.
Trains are overcrowded...... so are nightclubs and football stadiums but we happily go to them and pay shed loads of money for the priveledge.
Trains are un clean, yep so are the roads and have you ever been in a taxi, was it clean, on time to the second, not delayed anywhere and cheap, i think not.
I got a train last week from Leeds to London for £26 return by booking in advance it would have cost me at least £100 with fuel,parking and congestion charges.
So yeah lets get rid of trains so we can all be stuck at home looking out of our windows onto motorways in the place of what used to be green fields or stuck in traffic jams for hours on end breathing in the fumes.
Rant over.
So what happens then to the people who cant drive for age or physical reasons that rely on the trains, or school kids who use the trains to get to school because that is the only means available!!!
So our trains are sometimes delayed, yeah well cars get stuck in traffic jams too and make us late.
Trains are overcrowded...... so are nightclubs and football stadiums but we happily go to them and pay shed loads of money for the priveledge.
Trains are un clean, yep so are the roads and have you ever been in a taxi, was it clean, on time to the second, not delayed anywhere and cheap, i think not.
I got a train last week from Leeds to London for £26 return by booking in advance it would have cost me at least £100 with fuel,parking and congestion charges.
So yeah lets get rid of trains so we can all be stuck at home looking out of our windows onto motorways in the place of what used to be green fields or stuck in traffic jams for hours on end breathing in the fumes.
Rant over.
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Trains in this country take up to much room
Network Rail are currently investing in a programme of station improvements within London and the south east, which will include platform extensions which will increase train length from 8 carriages to 12 at peak times.
Looks like they will be taking up some more room then....
i feelwe are stillpaying teh price for selling off all that this counrty owned, just a shame they stopped when they did and didnt sell of the fing royal family and their crown jewles, cus ethey now have the nation by their crown jewles.
many moons ago if you live din a council house you paid ya rent and rates.
then the government decided to sell off the counic stock to either those living in them or to housing associations. the same time they did this they got rid of rates and bought in the poll with selling of the water companys.
people went from paying a couple of quid a week in rates to over £50 a month in poll tax, if not more, and £40 a month to the water company.
we now have fook all social housing, constanty being told how the water is going up again due to the fact that they bought decrepid system and have to bring it to standard, council tax is a frigging fortune down here cause of the amount of 2nd home ownership the locals have to cover the burden.
the trains were sold off and were in a state. many stations were closed before or after due to costings.
the gas and electric companies were sold and can charge what ever they like.
its a frigging mess.
im going to stop or i never will.
xx fem xx
many moons ago if you live din a council house you paid ya rent and rates.
then the government decided to sell off the counic stock to either those living in them or to housing associations. the same time they did this they got rid of rates and bought in the poll with selling of the water companys.
people went from paying a couple of quid a week in rates to over £50 a month in poll tax, if not more, and £40 a month to the water company.
we now have fook all social housing, constanty being told how the water is going up again due to the fact that they bought decrepid system and have to bring it to standard, council tax is a frigging fortune down here cause of the amount of 2nd home ownership the locals have to cover the burden.
the trains were sold off and were in a state. many stations were closed before or after due to costings.
the gas and electric companies were sold and can charge what ever they like.
its a frigging mess.
im going to stop or i never will.
xx fem xx
Mrs777's son had to travel to North Yorkshire a couple of months ago. A one way ticket for him was £121.
I nearly fell through the floor. I could get there and back in my car, with four people inside for less than that.
The only reason I did not is that I could not do that ammount of miles in one day....234 miles each way.
No wonder people do not want to travel by train. Expensive is not the word.
I nearly fell through the floor. I could get there and back in my car, with four people inside for less than that.
The only reason I did not is that I could not do that ammount of miles in one day....234 miles each way.
No wonder people do not want to travel by train. Expensive is not the word.
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Mrs777's son had to travel to North Yorkshire a couple of months ago. A one way ticket for him was £121.
I nearly fell through the floor. I could get there and back in my car, with four people inside for less than that.
The only reason I did not is that I could not do that ammount of miles in one day....234 miles each way.
No wonder people do not want to travel by train. Expensive is not the word.
To put that a little more into context, I am going to Glasgow next month, I got return flights from Stansted to Glasgow for and 2 nights in a hotel (in one of those standard hotel chain types) for £59.
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Mrs777's son had to travel to North Yorkshire a couple of months ago. A one way ticket for him was £121.
I nearly fell through the floor. I could get there and back in my car, with four people inside for less than that.
The only reason I did not is that I could not do that ammount of miles in one day....234 miles each way.
No wonder people do not want to travel by train. Expensive is not the word.
To put that a little more into context, I am going to Glasgow next month, I got return flights from Stansted to Glasgow for and 2 nights in a hotel (in one of those standard hotel chain types) for £59.
I know m8 its ludicrous.
For £121 he could have flown there cheaper, and quicker but as his employers were paying for it, It did not matter.
We drove up there some weeks later, and we stayed in a hotel overnight and the petrol money did not come to £121 combined.
Sex God
I could go visit DG for £30 return :shock: That is just way to cheap 
I could get to London return ticket, no changes for £100 considering I don't drive or have my own car, I would pay these prices and I don't think they are extortionate
I could get to London return ticket, no changes for £100 considering I don't drive or have my own car, I would pay these prices and I don't think they are extortionate
Sexlightened
If you read the following theres another £28.5 billion being spent on the railways over the next 5 years.
However my ex worked for Network Rail until last year and was in charge off various contracts in South Wales for renewing the tracks. Everyone who works for Network Rail gets a bonus. The bonus is made up of various sections ie how well the company does as a whole and how well the department they work in does. So for instance if they have a bugdet of £20 million to replace a section of track and they only spend £18.5 million then they are awarded extra bonus for coming in under cost. His last bonus was £10,000 before tax/N.I.
I think alot of that money is going on staff bonus :shock:
However my ex worked for Network Rail until last year and was in charge off various contracts in South Wales for renewing the tracks. Everyone who works for Network Rail gets a bonus. The bonus is made up of various sections ie how well the company does as a whole and how well the department they work in does. So for instance if they have a bugdet of £20 million to replace a section of track and they only spend £18.5 million then they are awarded extra bonus for coming in under cost. His last bonus was £10,000 before tax/N.I.
I think alot of that money is going on staff bonus :shock:
Sex God
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i'll soon be going to poole from doncaster. when i called and asked for the cheapest way to get there i was told it was going to cost £274 one way! i only want to borrow the seat not buy the bloody train!! i was then told it would cost £110 just to get to london. it's never cost me that to get there and back before.
but then, having insisted that this could not be the cheapest fare i was put through to someone else. my ticket to london costs just £11, from there to poole is £9 or £16 1st class. on the way back it's a one ticket journey and costs just £41 with the tube fare included. i will be going in two weeks so not like i'm booking megga early either. when i've been going to london i've only had 4 weeks between visits so not always loads of time to look for the best price. still the most it has cost me is £85 for a weekend ticket return.
the trains are not packed and it would cost me far more in the car. i guess it depends on where you live for how packed your local trains are. in london i wouldn't really expect anything different at peak times. the tubes are the same. mind you, depending on who you are traveling with, the crush can have it's advantages :twisted:
whips
how early is early........
network rail don't comfirm anything in stone until about 12 weeks before, therefore anything earlier than that and all you will find are the open tickets...
and before any of you say "well its not like that in....."
France..... SNCF..... 60-90 days
Germany......DB.......60-90 days...
same in spain, italy, switzerland ect ect ect......
give me a call, pm me your number and I'll find something cheaper... there is a challenge
I like trains.
I travel by train as often as I can and rarely suffer delays and usually spend less than I would if I use my car when travelling alone.(ignoring anything other than fuel costs)
As an example, I can get to Bangor in north wales return for 38 quid. Thats a 640 mile round trip by car. It costs about 80 quid in fuel alone. The train journey has never taken me more than 5 and a half hours, the car journey varies between 5 hours and 11 hours.
Rail travel is wonderful in my experience unless you choose to commute at peak times.
I travel by train as often as I can and rarely suffer delays and usually spend less than I would if I use my car when travelling alone.(ignoring anything other than fuel costs)
As an example, I can get to Bangor in north wales return for 38 quid. Thats a 640 mile round trip by car. It costs about 80 quid in fuel alone. The train journey has never taken me more than 5 and a half hours, the car journey varies between 5 hours and 11 hours.
Rail travel is wonderful in my experience unless you choose to commute at peak times.
