I have said something on a thread about what people call themselves. As I am not Scottish.........this may have been wrong.
I believe that the Welsh, Irish, Northern Irish and Scottish are Celts irrespective if you are Catholic or Protestant.
I am Welsh and call myself a Celt (spoken like Kelt......not Selt is in Glagow Celtic FC).
So the question is.........
If someone asked you, as a Scot, are you a Celt.......would you answer Yes or No
Dave_Notts
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What are the Scottish???
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Not forgetting Brittany and Manx (as in Isle of Man, not car thieves from Manchester)....
I'm not a Celt, but i reckon somewhere down the line there will be some Celtic blood, as with all people born on this Island....
and what about The Picts... what happened to them? Weren't they Scottish?
There is some writings on the word Scot-land......some say that when the Irish settled the West Coast of Ireland and intermarried with the picts the new name for the country came out. The first Irish settlers were pirates and the name for these were scottis (or something like that). Others say that this explaination is bollox and I have tried to read into it but never seem to have the time to go into detail........somebody may even tell us Postie?
Us Celts get everywhere to put the blood here and there
Dave_Notts
Well it makes a change from "Where are the Scottish?" the usual battle cry of the Scottish Newb.
I'm not actually Scottish but I am indeed a Celt.
And to add to the list the 7th Celtic Nation - Galicia - Galiagans (no idea how to spell that) are passionate about their Celtic ancestory.
(I'm going off to phone Little ~ I know how much she will enjoy this thread)
I'm not actually Scottish but I am indeed a Celt.
And to add to the list the 7th Celtic Nation - Galicia - Galiagans (no idea how to spell that) are passionate about their Celtic ancestory.
(I'm going off to phone Little ~ I know how much she will enjoy this thread)
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Well it makes a change from "Where are the Scottish?" the usual battle cry of the Scottish Newb.
I'm not actually Scottish but I am indeed a Celt.
And to add to the list the 7th Celtic Nation - Galicia - Galiagans (no idea how to spell that) are passionate about their Celtic ancestory.
(I'm going off to phone Little ~ I know how much she will enjoy this thread)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Not Little........I had to endure 2 hours of her telling me about Scottish ancestry in Alexs' kitchen. Oh well......open a can of worms :shock:
Dave_Notts
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Didn't the Picts spend all their time running around the Southern Uplands, semi naked, tattooed and dyed, and generally trying to cause mayhem with their neighbours in Cumbria and Northumbria? 
Isn't that why the Romans built Hadrian's Wall? :undecided:
Not much has changed really except they got as far as the South Coast, crossed the Channel and went on to propagate worldwide. :grin:
The ones that are left in the British Isles are mainly to be found hanging out in a certain layby in Kent, not far from the M20 and they're now into knicker nicking for sport! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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:lol:
Isn't that why the Romans built Hadrian's Wall? :undecided:
Not much has changed really except they got as far as the South Coast, crossed the Channel and went on to propagate worldwide. :grin:
The ones that are left in the British Isles are mainly to be found hanging out in a certain layby in Kent, not far from the M20 and they're now into knicker nicking for sport! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
ops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :lol: 
Warming the Bed
A very definate yes to being a celt.
My parents where both born and bred inScotland, but Dads family originally comes from Ireland, and mums family goes way back within the clans of Scotland. So Celts on both sides.
My parents where both born and bred inScotland, but Dads family originally comes from Ireland, and mums family goes way back within the clans of Scotland. So Celts on both sides.
Sex God
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im not a celt im just horny
xxx fem xxx
That's a good start I'd guess!!
:bounce: 
:whistling: I will try and answer this!
Just because you think or indeed are Scottish, Irish Welsh etc. does NOT mean that you are a Celt. The Celts were a race of people that were, over the centuries, pushed further and further out of their lands by invading Romans, Vikings, Danes, Angles, Saxons and anyone else you can think of until they were based on the margins of the countries they lived in. I consider myself Scottish certainly, but not specifically a Celt.
The Celtic language is recognised as being split into two distinct groups - Brythonic and (excuse spelling) Gadeilic. The Brythonic Celitic language is the language of the the French Breton people and is almost identical to the Welsh language (my sister in law is Breton French BTW). The Gadeilic language is the Gaellic of Scotland and Ireland and is virtually identical apart from the pronounciation etc. The Manx language also falls into this category.
The Cornish language whiich has almost died out falls into the Breton/Welsh group.
So who are the rest of us? Most of the East coast of Scotland can trace its roots to those nasty folk like the Vikings, Danes etc. that pushed the Celts over to the Western highlands and Islands. In the central belt and West of Scotland, many folk are descened from Irish immigrants. The Orkneys and Shetlands are of course more Norwegian than Scottish and were given to to Scotland as the dowry for Queen Margeret (I think) hundreds of years ago.
Lecture over!
McC
Just because you think or indeed are Scottish, Irish Welsh etc. does NOT mean that you are a Celt. The Celts were a race of people that were, over the centuries, pushed further and further out of their lands by invading Romans, Vikings, Danes, Angles, Saxons and anyone else you can think of until they were based on the margins of the countries they lived in. I consider myself Scottish certainly, but not specifically a Celt.
The Celtic language is recognised as being split into two distinct groups - Brythonic and (excuse spelling) Gadeilic. The Brythonic Celitic language is the language of the the French Breton people and is almost identical to the Welsh language (my sister in law is Breton French BTW). The Gadeilic language is the Gaellic of Scotland and Ireland and is virtually identical apart from the pronounciation etc. The Manx language also falls into this category.
The Cornish language whiich has almost died out falls into the Breton/Welsh group.
So who are the rest of us? Most of the East coast of Scotland can trace its roots to those nasty folk like the Vikings, Danes etc. that pushed the Celts over to the Western highlands and Islands. In the central belt and West of Scotland, many folk are descened from Irish immigrants. The Orkneys and Shetlands are of course more Norwegian than Scottish and were given to to Scotland as the dowry for Queen Margeret (I think) hundreds of years ago.
Lecture over!
McC
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I will try and answer this!
Just because you think or indeed are Scottish, Irish Welsh etc. does NOT mean that you are a Celt. The Celts were a race of people that were, over the centuries, pushed further and further out of their lands by invading Romans, Vikings, Danes, Angles, Saxons and anyone else you can think of until they were based on the margins of the countries they lived in. I consider myself Scottish certainly, but not specifically a Celt.
The Celtic language is recognised as being split into two distinct groups - Brythonic and (excuse spelling) Gadeilic. The Brythonic Celitic language is the language of the the French Breton people and is almost identical to the Welsh language (my sister in law is Breton French BTW). The Gadeilic language is the Gaellic of Scotland and Ireland and is virtually identical apart from the pronounciation etc. The Manx language also falls into this category.
The Cornish language whiich has almost died out falls into the Breton/Welsh group.
So who are the rest of us? Most of the East coast of Scotland can trace its roots to those nasty folk like the Vikings, Danes etc. that pushed the Celts over to the Western highlands and Islands. In the central belt and West of Scotland, many folk are descened from Irish immigrants. The Orkneys and Shetlands are of course more Norwegian than Scottish and were given to to Scotland as the dowry for Queen Margeret (I think) hundreds of years ago.
Lecture over!
McC
So is that a yes or no then
Now where did the name Scotland come from? You seem to be up on this. The explanation I heard was posted above.......just that I have seen other papers saying this is total bollox.......can you enlighten?
Dave_Notts
Well, I consider myself Scottish but I do not think I am a Celt - my family come from Orkney and the East of Scotland so my ancestors were resposible for pushing the Celts out!
This is not to say I do not like the Celtic traditions - music etc. - but over the generations these have become synonymous with Scotland/Ireland, probably because they are good antway! If you listen to Norwegian traditional music, you can hear the same melodies as in Celtic music and indeed the same tunes in Scotland/Ireland are known by different names. The same way that American traditional music/dance (e.g. bluegrass) has links to the old country it is hardly surprising that we all share a common cultural heritage.
As for where the name Scotland comes from, I have heared the Irish/Scottis arguement before and it is an accepted theory but do not forget that the name Alba was also used! You can look at different books/sites and come up with different theories all of which are equally valid.
And yes of course the northern region in Spain also has claims to be Celtic.
Confusing or what?
McC
This is not to say I do not like the Celtic traditions - music etc. - but over the generations these have become synonymous with Scotland/Ireland, probably because they are good antway! If you listen to Norwegian traditional music, you can hear the same melodies as in Celtic music and indeed the same tunes in Scotland/Ireland are known by different names. The same way that American traditional music/dance (e.g. bluegrass) has links to the old country it is hardly surprising that we all share a common cultural heritage.
As for where the name Scotland comes from, I have heared the Irish/Scottis arguement before and it is an accepted theory but do not forget that the name Alba was also used! You can look at different books/sites and come up with different theories all of which are equally valid.
And yes of course the northern region in Spain also has claims to be Celtic.
Confusing or what?
McC
Well as a born and bred Soctsbloke i'm Scottish not Celtish.
Well Scottish 1st and British 2nd I suppose as i'm not one of the rampant breakaway types ( well oil will run out and without it scotland would be 3rd world !!! ).
Besides if we all go back to the end of the last ice age there was only 10,000 humans on the face of the planet ( as far as I remember from a National Geographic program at any rate ) so we're all related regardless of where we're from or what colour we are.
Davie
Well Scottish 1st and British 2nd I suppose as i'm not one of the rampant breakaway types ( well oil will run out and without it scotland would be 3rd world !!! ).
Besides if we all go back to the end of the last ice age there was only 10,000 humans on the face of the planet ( as far as I remember from a National Geographic program at any rate ) so we're all related regardless of where we're from or what colour we are.
Davie
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Given that the British Isles have been settled many times by many races, it stands to reason that most people with a long line of British ancestors will be a mixture of celts, picts, angles, saxons, normans, vikings, galls.. all sorts. The idea that Britain is composed of distinct regional races is really quite laughable... fact is we're all mongrels. 
Sex God
Some interesting distinctions to be had here.
If you are Scottish, does that mean you are only roughly Scots? (as in we'll meet around five-ish under the clock at Waterloo)
That would make the Welsh the only true bred nation. :smug: 'cos Irish - roughly Ir: English - roughly Engl.
I think this is bolloxish!
If you are Scottish, does that mean you are only roughly Scots? (as in we'll meet around five-ish under the clock at Waterloo)
That would make the Welsh the only true bred nation. :smug: 'cos Irish - roughly Ir: English - roughly Engl.
I think this is bolloxish!
Sex God
The romans did infact build hadrians wall but for those people that dont know the romans also bult a smaller waller furthur in to scotland, the name escapes me at the present time.
The Romans were sh*t scared of these mad people from the highlands.
MikeC
The Romans were sh*t scared of these mad people from the highlands.
MikeC
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The romans did infact build hadrians wall but for those people that dont know the romans also bult a smaller waller furthur in to scotland, the name escapes me at the present time.
The Romans were sh*t scared of these mad people from the highlands.
MikeC
Antonine's Wall!
The building of Antonine's Wall AD 142 - 144
A further attempt to subdue southern 'Scotland' was made in the early 140s on the orders of Emperor Antoninus Pius. Across the narrowest neck of land between the Forth and the Clyde a second wall was built - this time of turf, stone and wood.
The Antonine Wall was thirty-seven miles long, four metres wide and fronted by a ditch approximately twelve metres in width. It had forts and fortlets on the same pattern as Hadrian's Wall but was occupied only for a short time. By AD 160, the Roman's again had abandoned their gains north of Hadrian's Wall as too difficult to maintain.
:P
Sex God
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Given that the British Isles have been settled many times by many races, it stands to reason that most people with a long line of British ancestors will be a mixture of celts, picts, angles, saxons, normans, vikings, galls.. all sorts. The idea that Britain is composed of distinct regional races is really quite laughable... fact is we're all mongrels.
Spot on, Ice...not arf, arf....
Quote by Jags
The romans did infact build hadrians wall but for those people that dont know the romans also bult a smaller waller furthur in to scotland, the name escapes me at the present time.
The Romans were sh*t scared of these mad people from the highlands.
MikeC
Antonine's Wall!
The building of Antonine's Wall AD 142 - 144
A further attempt to subdue southern 'Scotland' was made in the early 140s on the orders of Emperor Antoninus Pius. Across the narrowest neck of land between the Forth and the Clyde a second wall was built - this time of turf, stone and wood.
The Antonine Wall was thirty-seven miles long, four metres wide and fronted by a ditch approximately twelve metres in width. It had forts and fortlets on the same pattern as Hadrian's Wall but was occupied only for a short time. By AD 160, the Roman's again had abandoned their gains north of Hadrian's Wall as too difficult to maintain.
:P
See, in the whole subject of walls, you really gotta admire the scotts. Here come these bloody invaders wanting to change everything etc, and what do the scotts do?? somehow they manage to get the romans to build a wall to keep themselves in.
(before anyone gets hurt about this i am fully aware that it wasnt quite a simple as this and that the romans were right b******ds to the scotts)
As has already been pointed out not all Scots are Celts and not all Celts are Scots! I am, as far as I know, 100% Scots (though some of the Scottishness came via Northern Ireland - Scots moved to Ireland and then onwards) but I haven't had a DNA test so I cannot say whether I am a Celt or not. But because I consider the Gaelic part of Scotland to be my cultural home I tned to to think of myself as a Celt and therefore feel an afinity for the other Celts (whether English, Welsh, Irish, French or Spanish) due to a sense of shared culture (usually music and language). But if I am honest it is a self-imposed label and I cannot claim to be pure Celt or Pict as it is highly likely that I have some Norse blood in the family gene-pool and there may even be some Saxon as well. I could - horror of horrors! - be part Norman (but weren't they originally Viking stock and does that make it ok?).
Even the most 'Celtic' parts of Scotland - the areas where Gaelic is spoken - cannot claim pure Celticness as the Western Isles were all under Viking control at one point and who knows how much DNA they left behind. (It should be noted that while such invaders did indeed leave their genetic mark on the invadees often it is not as significant as the impact they had on language, culture and government so the fact that such an area was under Viking control does not imply that the majority of the inhabitants were themselves of Viking ancestory but were much more likely to be native Celts or Picts or a mix thereof.) So in answer to the original question, yes I - and many other Scots - think of ourselves as Celts but unless we have had blood tests to prove it I would take the claim with a pinch of salt. And, as it has been pointed out already, we are all pretty closely related anyway so - in genetic terms - who cares? Culturally, can you be Celtic simply if you want to be?
Even the most 'Celtic' parts of Scotland - the areas where Gaelic is spoken - cannot claim pure Celticness as the Western Isles were all under Viking control at one point and who knows how much DNA they left behind. (It should be noted that while such invaders did indeed leave their genetic mark on the invadees often it is not as significant as the impact they had on language, culture and government so the fact that such an area was under Viking control does not imply that the majority of the inhabitants were themselves of Viking ancestory but were much more likely to be native Celts or Picts or a mix thereof.) So in answer to the original question, yes I - and many other Scots - think of ourselves as Celts but unless we have had blood tests to prove it I would take the claim with a pinch of salt. And, as it has been pointed out already, we are all pretty closely related anyway so - in genetic terms - who cares? Culturally, can you be Celtic simply if you want to be?
Sex God
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Culturally, can you be Celtic simply if you want to be?
Culturally you can be anything you like. Great Britain (by which I mean the island) is the most diverse melting pot in the world and it would a very brave person who would deny you your claim to any aspect of it.
Have a read of this BBC site
Now, I am Scots (one t please) but was born in BAOR. I consider myself Scots through and through and that despite my mother's foreignness. I can't claim to be a Celt (BTW ONLY Celtic FC use the soft C and that's cos they were formed by an Englishman who didn't realise that Celtic was pronounced with a hard C!!) but I have a strong love for the music of the Highlands and Islands. Not so much the traditonal skirl of the bagpipes stuff but more of the modern kitchen piping and acid croft stuff.
It's great fun watching Postman Pat in Gaelic (Gaylic is the Scots pronouncation and Galic is the Irish).
Now, I am Scots (one t please) but was born in BAOR. I consider myself Scots through and through and that despite my mother's foreignness. I can't claim to be a Celt (BTW ONLY Celtic FC use the soft C and that's cos they were formed by an Englishman who didn't realise that Celtic was pronounced with a hard C!!) but I have a strong love for the music of the Highlands and Islands. Not so much the traditonal skirl of the bagpipes stuff but more of the modern kitchen piping and acid croft stuff.
It's great fun watching Postman Pat in Gaelic (Gaylic is the Scots pronouncation and Galic is the Irish).
Sex God
Quote by Ice Pie
Given that the British Isles have been settled many times by many races, it stands to reason that most people with a long line of British ancestors will be a mixture of celts, picts, angles, saxons, normans, vikings, galls.. all sorts. The idea that Britain is composed of distinct regional races is really quite laughable... fact is we're all mongrels.
i do love bringing up this fact with the neanderthal monobrow morons who delight in telling the world they're 100% english. The look of confusion they have when you ask them if they are more proud of their french, italian, scandinavian or german heratage is just priceless
