At the Labour party conference Jacqui Smith the Home secretary has said, she would shop her own kids.
Have a look at this clip on this link and hear what she says.
The question then would be...would YOU shop your own child?
This is a question that I have asked myself, and for me it would depend on how serious it was. If it was say shoplifing then probably not, but if it was murder or drug dealing I probably would.
What are others views and could you live with yourself if you did shop your child. A difficult one this.
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Would you shop your own child?
Sex God
Yes I would....
Quote by winchwench
Yes. And we have. Only to have the less than helpful PC say (in front of said child) just how many times they could probably get away with it before even receiving a jolly good talking to.
PC gone mad probably. Makes you wonder sometimes winch, but good on you for doing the right thing x
Sex God
Yes depending on the crime,
Could you "shop" your parents to? I did with my real father, never regretted it.
Could you "shop" your parents to? I did with my real father, never regretted it.
Yes... I would report him for something that others have listed as minor if I had raised it with him previously and told him to stop and he continued.
I would not hesitate to report for any crime that I wouldn't like to happen to me. That includes stealing of any sort etc and in fact most crimes.
I would not hesitate to report for any crime that I wouldn't like to happen to me. That includes stealing of any sort etc and in fact most crimes.
Casanova
Until recently I would have said a confident yes, but after seeing the story where the dad shopped his son for keeping a gun for his mates I'm not so sure.
He was sent to prison for a first offence and now had a record. I believe that he should have been punished and I believe he should have been educated as to what might have happened if that gun had been used etc, but to send him to prison and give him a record will have a knock on affect with everything he does here on in.
So... I would have to look at what I feel is the best way to deal with it and that may or may not include shopping him, depending on what he has done and how he reacts to the reality of his actions.
He was sent to prison for a first offence and now had a record. I believe that he should have been punished and I believe he should have been educated as to what might have happened if that gun had been used etc, but to send him to prison and give him a record will have a knock on affect with everything he does here on in.
So... I would have to look at what I feel is the best way to deal with it and that may or may not include shopping him, depending on what he has done and how he reacts to the reality of his actions.
Sex God
I think it happens more that it used to, Years ago most problems were sorted within family and a good hiding was just that a good hiding, now if we even shout at our kids in public we get glared at we cant disiplin them like we used to (not that i think smacking kids is the only way to disiplin but it should be within reason AND up to the parents to decide!) Parents are often forced to "shop" because they simply see no other way
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Until recently I would have said a confident yes, but after seeing the story where the dad shopped his son for keeping a gun for his mates I'm not so sure.
He was sent to prison for a first offence and now had a record. I believe that he should have been punished and I believe he should have been educated as to what might have happened if that gun had been used etc, but to send him to prison and give him a record will have a knock on affect with everything he does here on in.
So... I would have to look at what I feel is the best way to deal with it and that may or may not include shopping him, depending on what he has done and how he reacts to the reality of his actions.
Sorry but with all the gun crime going on now, what other punishment should the courts give for someone having a gun fgs.
The most dangerous of weapons, for surely that gun was there for a purpose, to kill or maim. We see it almost everyday.
Tough luck if his life has been ruined, but nowhere near as bad as the person that gun could have killed.
To educate someone for having a gun is fine if it is a child, but obviously this was an adult as they were sent to prison.
If an adult has to be educated as to why he should not have a gun, then maybe a term in a mental hospital should have been more in order. As he knew exactly what he was doing by having a gun. No doubt he was an angel too. :shock:
It is a difficult decision to make but yes if we're talking a serious crime involving harm to another person I would say to my child either you give yourself in or I will do it for you.
Petty crimes are never right but I'd be less inclined to do the same.
In edit.. I've contradicted myself on the petty crime bit because when my daughter was 6 she brought something that belonged to another child home from school and lied about why she had it, I frog-marched her back up to school and made her confess to her teacher.
Petty crimes are never right but I'd be less inclined to do the same.
In edit.. I've contradicted myself on the petty crime bit because when my daughter was 6 she brought something that belonged to another child home from school and lied about why she had it, I frog-marched her back up to school and made her confess to her teacher.
Casanova
Quote by kentswingers777
Until recently I would have said a confident yes, but after seeing the story where the dad shopped his son for keeping a gun for his mates I'm not so sure.
He was sent to prison for a first offence and now had a record. I believe that he should have been punished and I believe he should have been educated as to what might have happened if that gun had been used etc, but to send him to prison and give him a record will have a knock on affect with everything he does here on in.
So... I would have to look at what I feel is the best way to deal with it and that may or may not include shopping him, depending on what he has done and how he reacts to the reality of his actions.
Sorry but with all the gun crime going on now, what other punishment should the courts give for someone having a gun fgs.
The most dangerous of weapons, for surely that gun was there for a purpose, to kill or maim. We see it almost everyday.
Tough luck if his life has been ruined, but nowhere near as bad as the person that gun could have killed.
To educate someone for having a gun is fine if it is a child, but obviously this was an adult as they were sent to prison.
If an adult has to be educated as to why he should not have a gun, then maybe a term in a mental hospital should have been more in order. As he knew exactly what he was doing by having a gun. No doubt he was an angel too. :shock:
At face value I can see what you are saying, but life is never that simple. Having seen the Father and the son who had the gun it would be difficult to believe that the son had realised what exactly he had agreed to do. I'm sure there are many kids that react to peer pressure and do things without realising how dangerous they are. He may well have had little choice if he wanted to associate with his peers or even not be bullied himself.
It was his dad who found the fire arm and could have easily handed it in anonymously, but wanted his son to understand how stupid his actions had been and get a telling off. He was not expecting what happened thereafter. Having a parent who was on the side of the law and willing to work with the law, you would think they might have found a punishment that would have done him more good that bring him closer to more real criminals.
I hope that my son is a bit brighter and wouldn't put himself in that position, but I guess you never know. One can of red bull and he changes into a human bullet on speed, so God knows what other things he hasn't tried yet might do to him.
Sex God
Quote by Hibernian
When I was about 9 yrs old, I stole a Starsky and Hutch toy car from Woolies, my mother marched me down to the manager when she found out, I was terrified, suffice to say, I never stole agin.
:thumbup:
We don't have kids, but definatley this is the woute i'd go down- if you don't punish the small things, then if it gets to the stage of bigge cwimes, then its pwobably too late.
i neve shoplifted when younge as my pawents pt the feaw of death in me if i did!
Hopefully if you stat as you mean to go on, then it won't weach the stage of sewious cwime.
m xx
Orgasminator
Quote by splendid_
Yes... I would report him for something that others have listed as minor if I had raised it with him previously and told him to stop and he continued.
I would not hesitate to report for any crime that I wouldn't like to happen to me. That includes stealing of any sort etc and in fact most crimes.
Well done splendid!
Why do some people think it's ok for their kids to break 'minor laws'? Who decided it was minor? You? Why should we bother having laws if people like you will allow your kids to break them? Someone made the laws and it's not for you to decide which ones you follow and which you don't. No wonder society is going the way it is today if these parents are picking and choosing which laws their kids can break? YOUR kids are the reason I and many other law abiding people are afraid to walk the streets these days.
Harsh? You think? Most kids who turn to crime think it's ok when they've got away with the small things. It should be stamped out from the very first time end of.
*Her*
Quote by couplefunuk
Yes... I would report him for something that others have listed as minor if I had raised it with him previously and told him to stop and he continued.
I would not hesitate to report for any crime that I wouldn't like to happen to me. That includes stealing of any sort etc and in fact most crimes.
Well done splendid!
Why do some people think it's ok for their kids to break 'minor laws'? Who decided it was minor? You? Why should we bother having laws if people like you will allow your kids to break them? Someone made the laws and it's not for you to decide which ones you follow and which you don't. No wonder society is going the way it is today if these parents are picking and choosing which laws their kids can break? YOUR kids are the reason I and many other law abiding people are afraid to walk the streets these days.
Harsh? You think? Most kids who turn to crime think it's ok when they've got away with the small things. It should be stamped out from the very first time end of.
*Her*
There's a difference between not turning them into the police and not punishing them.
I'm presuming that the others, like me, who said they wouldn't turn them in for minor crimes wouldn't turn round, pat them on the head and tell 'em "well done".
My kids wouldn't be able to sit down for a week had they committed an illegal act that I perceived to be minor.
Orgasminator
Quote by Peanut
Yes... I would report him for something that others have listed as minor if I had raised it with him previously and told him to stop and he continued.
I would not hesitate to report for any crime that I wouldn't like to happen to me. That includes stealing of any sort etc and in fact most crimes.
Well done splendid!
Why do some people think it's ok for their kids to break 'minor laws'? Who decided it was minor? You? Why should we bother having laws if people like you will allow your kids to break them? Someone made the laws and it's not for you to decide which ones you follow and which you don't. No wonder society is going the way it is today if these parents are picking and choosing which laws their kids can break? YOUR kids are the reason I and many other law abiding people are afraid to walk the streets these days.
Harsh? You think? Most kids who turn to crime think it's ok when they've got away with the small things. It should be stamped out from the very first time end of.
*Her*
There's a difference between not turning them into the police and not punishing them.
I'm presuming that the others, like me, who said they wouldn't turn them in for minor crimes wouldn't turn round, pat them on the head and tell 'em "well done".
My kids wouldn't be able to sit down for a week had they committed an illegal act that I perceived to be minor.
Ahhhh fair point, but that wasn't my point. As far as I'm aware (and I could be wrong here so excuse me if I am) you are neither a police officer, a lawyer or a judge or in fact anyone who is responsible for upholding the laws of this country. Therefore are not the one who should be deciding your kids are above the law. If they break it - they face the consequences. The parents should intill enough values in them in the first place that they know better than to break the law in the first place.
*Her*
I believe that if my son 'couldn't sit down for a week' that violence had happened to him. There is no way on this earth that I would perpetrate that level of violence against another adult let alone someone I had nurtured. I do not believe every law of this land. (and believe much less about those that are fed to people in other lands) but this is where my son is raised and he will live within these laws. That includes violence.
Quote by couplefunuk
Ahhhh fair point, but that wasn't my point. As far as I'm aware (and I could be wrong here so excuse me if I am) you are neither a police officer, a lawyer or a judge or in fact anyone who is responsible for upholding the laws of this country. Therefore are not the one who should be deciding your kids are above the law. If they break it - they face the consequences. The parents should intill enough values in them in the first place that they know better than to break the law in the first place.
*Her*
Not one of us here sticks to every law, and no doubt every single one of us feels pissed off when collared for transgressing the law.
Justice is not dependent on the job title of the person dispensing it. In my view so long as an appropriate punishment is doled out and a lesson learned then who does it is immaterial.
Quote by splendid_
I believe that if my son 'couldn't sit down for a week' that violence had happened to him. There is no way on this earth that I would perpetrate that level of violence against another adult let alone someone I had nurtured. I do not believe every law of this land. (and believe much less about those that are fed to people in other lands) but this is where my son is raised and he will live within these laws. That includes violence.
Your attitude has obviously worked with your son, but I'm sorry to say that the similar attitude countrywide is, in my view, the root cause of ever-escalating youth crime.
God I hate it when I use this expression, but I can't think of an alternative, "in my day" parents came down hard on their kids and indulged in corporal punishment. Kids didn't see it as violence against their person, neither did parents. The kids saw it as a reason not to transgress whatever rule it was that they broke. It was an effective method of reigning them in. Now I know you detest it, but it worked.
Now 'we' are softer on our kids, the rules are in favour of the kids not being punished they have learnt that they can pretty much do as they like and all they are going to get is some limp-wristed punishment or a telling off. Yes a real deterrent that is
Kids like your son were always likely to be well behaved so would never have needed physical punishment anyway. It's the ones who don't have a sense of right and wrong, who don't give a crap about how others feel or what consequences are. They are the ones who need to feel the stimulus of not being able to sit down for a week.
Your son is not representative of the kids who do need a thwack.
Quote by Peanut
I believe that if my son 'couldn't sit down for a week' that violence had happened to him. There is no way on this earth that I would perpetrate that level of violence against another adult let alone someone I had nurtured. I do not believe every law of this land. (and believe much less about those that are fed to people in other lands) but this is where my son is raised and he will live within these laws. That includes violence.
Your attitude has obviously worked with your son, but I'm sorry to say that the similar attitude countrywide is, in my view, the root cause of ever-escalating youth crime.
God I hate it when I use this expression, but I can't think of an alternative, "in my day" parents came down hard on their kids and indulged in corporal punishment. Kids didn't see it as violence against their person, neither did parents. The kids saw it as a reason not to transgress whatever rule it was that they broke. It was an effective method of reigning them in. Now I know you detest it, but it worked.
Now 'we' are softer on our kids, the rules are in favour of the kids not being punished they have learnt that they can pretty much do as they like and all they are going to get is some limp-wristed punishment or a telling off. Yes a real deterrent that is
Kids like your son were always likely to be well behaved so would never have needed physical punishment anyway. It's the ones who don't have a sense of right and wrong, who don't give a crap about how others feel or what consequences are. They are the ones who need to feel the stimulus of not being able to sit down for a week.
Your son is not representative of the kids who do need a thwack.
I will not go into how many ways what you have written is a gross generalisation about, not only my son but, young people all over the country. I disagree wholeheartedly with what you have said. But I am unwilling to talk about it here.
Quote by splendid_
I will not go into how many ways what you have written is a gross generalisation about, not only my son but, young people all over the country. I disagree wholeheartedly with what you have said. But I am unwilling to talk about it here.
Fair enough.
But generalising is all that can be done here.
Sex God
Yes I would but Im fortunate, lucky or whatever word Im looking for that, mine have grown up and never brought me any trouble and so the need never arose.
Quote by mazandden
When I was about 9 yrs old, I stole a Starsky and Hutch toy car from Woolies, my mother marched me down to the manager when she found out, I was terrified, suffice to say, I never stole agin.
:thumbup:
We don't have kids, but definatley this is the woute i'd go down- if you don't punish the small things, then if it gets to the stage of bigge cwimes, then its pwobably too late.
i neve shoplifted when younge as my pawents pt the feaw of death in me if i did!
Hopefully if you stat as you mean to go on, then it won't weach the stage of sewious cwime.
Here endeth the gospel according to Tweetie Pie!
m xx
