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Can one of the mods or perhaps Mark tell us why they have removed the link showing the latest ads in the photo section please?
I preferred looking through the latest ads all at once rather than having to search each category individually :cry:
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Jessica
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Actually, I didn't make myself clear on this!
I only kiss people we meet with on a regular basis! I cetrtainly wouldn't kiss a stranger!
I also never kiss doggers in general because mostly I don't have full sex with them - just play and bj's etc. Don't think I need to elaborate here
We do however meet with a couple of guys on a semi regular basis and of course we do have full sex (with protections of course!), and those are the guys I kiss during the proceedings!
Sorry for the confusion!
Jess
I only kiss people we meet with on a regular basis! I cetrtainly wouldn't kiss a stranger!
I also never kiss doggers in general because mostly I don't have full sex with them - just play and bj's etc. Don't think I need to elaborate here
We do however meet with a couple of guys on a semi regular basis and of course we do have full sex (with protections of course!), and those are the guys I kiss during the proceedings!
Sorry for the confusion!
Jess
Dan and I were chatting the other day and Dan thinks I kiss our dogging partners a little too much. I don't kiss them all, but if we're having a 'full session' it invariably leads to some amount of kissing during the act itself, if you know what I mean 
So, how much is too much? Or should I not do it at all? :cry: Does the kissing mean anything to you or is it just part of the fun?
Does anyone else kiss the people they meet for swinging/dogging? How much? Lots? None at all? Passionately? Just a peck when saying goodbye?
We would be interested in your views and what you do regarding kissing!
Jess & Dan
So, how much is too much? Or should I not do it at all? :cry: Does the kissing mean anything to you or is it just part of the fun?
Does anyone else kiss the people they meet for swinging/dogging? How much? Lots? None at all? Passionately? Just a peck when saying goodbye?
We would be interested in your views and what you do regarding kissing!
Jess & Dan
Quote by bluexxx
This is the latest Sexual Offences Act if you want to check out what you REALLY can and can't do by law:
This is the basic jist of the law, however, having spoken to a member on this site who is a police officer (name remains secret for obvious reasons!!), you can be prosecuted under the law if you are seen to commit an act 'which a person or persons on viewing you in the act, may consider to be offensive or upsetting'.
This complaint can be made by the police officer himself if he claims to have been upset by what he has seen, even if there is no other complaint from a member of the general public.
So be aware of any cars pulling into the park. If they have a blue light on top - get dressed quick
Jess & Dan
Quote by facialfran
As to my misspelling well if that is your way of trying to score a point over me, thanks for the laugh. I have to say we come on here to discuss and debate, we don't look to denigrate anyone personally, each and all have an opinion and thank god we still have the right to voice them freely. So, I couldn't be arsed to go get the dictionary and check my spelling, you knew what I was talking about, why draw attention to it? No adult argument to contribute?
Fran & Stu
Scoring points is not what this is about Fran as well you know. I merely pointed out your spelling error as I feel that if you wish to lecture me about chlamydia, you should at least know how to spell the word.
As for opinions, yes we are all free to express them, in all their different forms. I can accept your opinion, even if I don't agree with it.
However, as I have already said on another post which relates to this topic, I will have no more to say on the subject, since we are now getting into the realms of personal abuse. I have not, nor would I ever, point the finger at another human being, just because they think in a different way than me.
I may question their judgement, but not their opinion, or indeed them as a person.
Jess
Quote by ScotsCpl
But at least lets be honest about it. If you're married and want to cheat go doggin.
If you want to mix with people that enjoy sex and still have a sense of what respect and consent means then swing with those of us that are fool enough to trust peoples honesty.
Billy, I am surprised and indeed disappointed at your comments above. I thought we had something beautiful going :cry:
I can only echo what redhot has said. We have spent hours now debating the moral rights and wrongs of swinging and dogging. However, now the time for pesonal insults has begun, I will have no more to do with it. ( I hear you all shouting hurray
)I have my own opinions and of course so do you all, but at the end of the day, I do not wish to have my moral fibre called into question by anyone, who is in my opinion, not suitable to do so. Since when was it written in stone that swingers have more morals than doggers?
I have not questioned anyone's personal morals, merely questioned how they feel they can tell other people what is morally right and wrong.
I hope you will continue to enjoy your chosen form of fun, as Dan and I will.
Jessica
Quote by facialfran
Hi guys..wow just picked up this thread again and phew..torrento or what?
cutechick actually scares me. She seems to like scenarios, so here's one for you...married guy goes dogging, wife thinks he is playing darts...no probs there...thread was about swings not dogs.... he catches clymidia..wife gets it too...no obvious symptoms..she wants baby..they try...can't get pregnant..have tests...clymidia...she doesn't know how she got it...the questions begin...guess the rest...or maybe you don't care?
Fran & Stu
Where in any of my posts have I said we do not take precautions against STD? We take all reasonable steps to ensure that we and our dogging partners are protected.
Just as a byword and speaking as a veterinary nurse, did you know that you can catch chlamydia (correct spelling) from handling new born kittens if their mother happens to have it?
Cats are well known carriers of this disease. Handling their litter tray is also a risk if the droppings about to be removed are less than an hour 'old', since the bacteria can live for a short time outside of the body. Does your cat walk on the kitchen worktop. I hope not. She may also cover your counter in bacteria there too, just as you go to make a cup of tea - Just a thought for you to ponder whilst you take your worry pill.
We do not take risks with our health or that of our friends.
J
Quote by bluexxx
In non human animals, although plenty of species live in monogamous pairs, lots of individuals of many of these species are unfaithful. Some studies have shown that up to 40% of offspring from such pair bonds are genetically unrelated to the male partner, hence the female has been unfaithful :shock: .
My personal view is that cheating is naughty but I don't ask people if they are in a relationship before I play with them (call me hypocritical and I will agree with you), but so is smoking and eating cakes
Thank you bluexxx. A breath of fresh air
for a moment, I though Dan & I must be the only ones with such wide ranging opinions :wink:
Jess
Quote by ScotsCplJess my balls are yours. Although I fully expect you to reject the offer, despite the fact it is a reasonable compromise :boxing:
Billy (now increasingly worried where this thread is leadinguch: )
Billy, get those balls on a plate - my knife and fork are waiting eagerly. :evil2: Hot saute` balls - my fav
On second thoughts, have you got your wife's permission to let me have them? Don't want you to get shouted at by the Morals police :wink:
Jess (who is also enjoying this thread!)
Quote by tall_dark_n_havesome
lol..would be interesting to find out...
Oh and by the way...admired your balls in your stand in those debates...would love to admire more than your balls!!
Balls? I don't personally have any but my partner Dan has two in a bag he carries with him
Oh and of course all the married men who haven't yet confessed to their wives what they get up to still have balls - but maybe not if she finds out . . .
Ssh! I won't tell if you don't :P
Jess (Jessica)
Quote by tall_dark_n_havesome
Just as an interseting thought following all the recent musings over cheating i thought a Poll was in order!!
That would probably overload the server with all the moral judgement flying around.
Love your sig though. I hope you don't mean you are a naughty 'married' person - tut tut, that just would never do would it?!
Jess
be happy folks
Quote by we2wantu
Cheating will always be cheating whether its done in a pub, nightclub or within the swinging community.
That may be so, but we are not the cheaters. The married guy may be, that is a matter of conjecture anyway, but since we are out to have fun and so is he, what harm is there in that?
As Andy so eloquently put it, monogamy is a man made 'law'. Since we are all animals, name me another animal that would pair up for life and never mate with another creature for the rest of it's life
Some people may not like what we or married guys get up to, but I'll take my chances on judgement day. Besides if when I get to the Pearly Gates, they send me 'down stairs', I won't complain. I'll just keep having a ball - the place should be full of married men
Jess
Quote by ScotsCpl
Lighten up William, or I shall have to put you across my knee
Now we talking. Been on a diet since the 1st so should fit quite snuggly over your knee
Fred's already mentioned STDs.
Billy (still enjoying this thread :D )
Billy - my knee awaits - now bend over :P You're going to get the biggest and bestest tongue lashing you EVER had boy
You will enjoy it, I insist!As for STD's, sure there is a risk, but there's also a risk in crossing the road or using public transport. Didn't your granny ever sing you the song about shoving her off a bus? My Glaswegian granny did! There is more to fear from your family than a little STD y'know
Jess (who is now late for work!)
Quote by Andy_Wakefield
Just as I thought - "Swinging is a state of mind."
However (from another popular thread) I would say that some married people arent swingers, the are just very naughty boys and girls, if they havent discussed it with their partners first. ;)
The naughtier the better in my humble opinion Andy
We just love the naughty husbands who don't tell their wives. They are so much more adventurous
Jess x
Quote by bluexxx
I'm all for a simple life - how about "you're a swinger if you think you are". There how's that?
Well said bluexxx. Maybe you should also post this on the Cafe in reponse to the post by Fredflintstone regarding swingers and doggin etc. It's gonna run and run . . .
Jess & Dan
Quote by ScotsCpl
You don't mention Sandie whether your wife supports your extra activities. I take it from the respect and love you mention above that you have told her and that she has reassured you that most importantly of all your activity is not hurting her.
Cheating by its very nature hurts someone, whether it be sexual or otherwise.
Billy (enjoying this thread now
I see a rather high soapbox here with a wee scotsman on top, spouting morals to the masses.
Billy this is real life, this is England, not a Hollywood moral dilemma movie where everyone gets around the table to discuss what probs they have. People's emotions do not always go the way their partner would wish, therefore, they can't and don't discuss certain things such as dogging.
Would you therefore contend that they are wrong to live that way?
Sure a few little white lies may be told, but in the long term those lies serve to PROTECT the wife from being upset. Her husband is thinking of her too and not only of the fact that she may ask for him to seek alternative accommodation if she found out what he was up to on a Friday night in the rain.
Lighten up William, or I shall have to put you across my knee
J
Quote by FredFlintstone
There are also the words "masturbation", "restraint" and "Relate" which could be thrown in here as part of the arguement
Oh come on Fred. Is a wank really as satisfying as a shag?! And how long could you restrain yourself - days, weeks, months, years?
You are lucky in that you have a good relationship with your wife. Not every man is that lucky. They may love her to bits, but still need to have sexual release. It's as nature intended after all and not just for procreation y'know
Thanks for the welcome - if you ever change your mind and fancy a bit of dogging send me a pm
Jess
Quote by ScotsCpl
I cant accept the conclusion you have come to cutechick. If the marriage was matched in every other aspect then surely the married dogger would have no problems letting the other partner know what they were up to.
Billy
Oh, if only life were that easy. Picture the scene - act 1 scene 2 -
Married man has a chat to his wife over a cuppa. Explains that 'darling you just don't do it for me anymore'.
She happliy says 'ok then, you'd better go dogging for your fun. I hope you enjoy yourself. I'll have your tea waiting for you when you come home'
Get real! The very nature of the human being is so complex that we couldn't debate it here. Suffice to say, we ARE all different and that's what makes us unique.
So too is our sexual desire. Just because a bloke's wife doesn't enjoy sex very often, does that mean he won't love her as much? Me thinks not.
After all, love and sex are not the same thing are they. Sure one can lean to the other, but having sex is also a pastime to be enjoyed - actively and often. Do you think animals are in love when they partake? Of course not. they're just having a shag - as nature intends us all to do
If wifey like to do some knitting and hubby doesn't - does that mean she doesn't love him anymore because he doesn't enjoy her fav pastime?!
Don't be silly Billy (sorry, couldn't resist!).
Think of us doggers as providing a community service for good marriage relationships. We keep the guys happy, they keep wife happy by not pestering her into sex when she doesn't want it. :wink:
Jess
Quote by mattmoleman
I believe that singles can swing. I thought I was a 'swinger' before I became part of a couple. This is because I was actively looking for mutual fun with no intention of a relationship. Ground rules spoken before hand so to speak.
Here here! Singles and also married men without their wife's knowledge, can swing in our opinion. Swinging is one thing - having sexual release without strings or attatchment.
Jess & Dan
Quote by facialfran
swinging is based on trust, honesty and integrity, how can those three principles be involved if you are cheating on someone? Swinging has no place for those seeking extra marital affairs. How can you trust someone who is cheating?
Fran
Can I take it from the above, that people like yourself Fran, actually frown upon the couples who go out dogging, rather than making arrangements to meet with a supposedly single guy?
The very nature of dogging is seen as risqué and fun. I don’t for one minute imagine that every guy in the car park is actually single – most will be married, in a stable relationship or whatever, but out for a little fun, without the knowledge of their partner/wife etc.
Should this be frowned upon? Or do we couples now have to insist on proof of no marriage before we begin the proceedings?!
Do you think for one minute that all wives are loving, caring passionate fem fatales? They aren't. This doesn't mean their husbands would want to live without them, just that they do not satisfy their husband's sexual needs. Hence, they go dogging for sexual release. Nothing more - no long drawn out affairs which may get out of hand. Just sex between consenting adults. Is it any different than a game of darts at the local without the wife for a bit of fun?
While I don't condone affairs in principle, can dogging really be classsed as an affair in real terms? Affairs are on going 1 on 1, and can and do, harm marriages, but certainly my partner and I do not think that these guys who visit parks would wish to risk their marriage/relationship or they would go out for a full blown affair instead. That then is quite another matter and I don't see it as related to dogging.
Believe it or not, some couple can and do lead very happy lives together, but just do not 'gel' sexually. Wife has low sex drive, partner has high. They match in every other aspect of their life together but this one. Sexual release for the man is essential, both for him and the marriage in general terms.
We are all on very different levels in our morals, but does that make it wrong to dog with married men? We think not, and will continue to do so.
Jess & Dan
