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Laclau
Over 90 days ago
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Quote by foxylady2209
A few people have said they enjoy giving ratherthan recieving.
I'm with them on that - but - I love giving pleasure too, and if 'dining downstairs' (I LOVE that phrase) means my partner can enjoy my response to recieving then I will happily receive. So long as I get to give too.
*** reads it through a couple of times***
I'm pretty sure I know what I meant to say there - hope it makes sense biggrin
What I mean is there is pleasure in giving pleasure and pleasure in being given pleasure - omg, that's no clearer. Well, I now what I mean anyway :doh:

I can guess what you were doing when you were writing the above wink
Quote by BiWelshMinx
Sorry I am still not convinced why we need men dunno

So that you'll know you're superior - without them, you'd have nothing to measure yourselves against.
Quote by flower411
Fox hunting was a sustainable way of protecting livestock from predators. The local hunts also provided jobs for many people in country communities.
The hunts often brought communities together and were a social meeting of landownwers and workers, where people could discuss local issues.
Many of the people who have been affected by the hunting ban were already struggling, working long hours on low pay. In a lot of cases their livlihood has been destroyed.
Everybody wants cheap food in their shops and now somebody has suggested building fox proof enclosures for chickens and lambs !!!!! Do you have any idea how much that would cost ???
Farmers are now expected to work all night shooting and trapping foxes.
I heard on the radio today that Richmond Park in London no longer has any hares or ground nesting birds because of all the dogs being excersized there.
Should we ban dogs from Richmond Park ?
Somebody has already mentioned the cat owners, who keep an animal that will happily torture other smaller animals to death with no intention of eating it. Personally I find that barbaric but it appears to be socially acceptable. And what about the fish torturers ? I cannot believe that people actually get pleasure from going out and hooking fish by their mouths with barbed hooks and torturing them before throwing them back !!
That really is cruelty of the highest order and is done for pleasure, there is no intention to protect livestock or anything else, it is barbarism for the sake of it.
And to the people who go on about fox hunters enjoying the hunt. What did you expect them to do ? Ride around looking miserable ? I am sure that there are plenty of farmers, sitting out on cold nights with a gun protecting the eggs and chickens and lambs for the supermarket shelves, that are looking pretty miserable now. So that people can sit in their centrally heated houses watching telly and feel all smug because fox hunting has been banned.

It is a strange paradox I know, but all of the anglers I know love fish. Don't ask me to explain this because I do realise it's odd. Barbed hooks are now banned on most waters, but I'm not trying to claim that barbless hooks necessarily make catching fish OK. I have struggled with this question for quite a few years, as I love fishing, but do wonder whether it's cruel. A final point: get rid of fishing and you can wave goodbye to most of the small waters in this country; they're only there because anglers take on their upkeep.
I think you`ll find that a lot of people who used to hunt foxes have a great deal of respect for them ! " not sure that they love them !! )
But fox hunters do not deliberately torture the fox, this is a possible by product of the event !!
Anglers have no other reason for putting hooks into rivers . There can be no other outcome but pain and discomfort for the fish !!
And don`t get me wrong. I wouldn`t ban any of these pursuits !! I just hate hypocrits !
For a lot of anglers, catching a fish is a by product of a day out in the country. I've never been that fussed whether I caught a fish or not. I just like, or liked, sitting by the side of a water watching the life go by. Someone much wiser than me once said if you want to see cruelty, just look at the meat on your plate.
Quote by flower411
Fox hunting was a sustainable way of protecting livestock from predators. The local hunts also provided jobs for many people in country communities.
The hunts often brought communities together and were a social meeting of landownwers and workers, where people could discuss local issues.
Many of the people who have been affected by the hunting ban were already struggling, working long hours on low pay. In a lot of cases their livlihood has been destroyed.
Everybody wants cheap food in their shops and now somebody has suggested building fox proof enclosures for chickens and lambs !!!!! Do you have any idea how much that would cost ???
Farmers are now expected to work all night shooting and trapping foxes.
I heard on the radio today that Richmond Park in London no longer has any hares or ground nesting birds because of all the dogs being excersized there.
Should we ban dogs from Richmond Park ?
Somebody has already mentioned the cat owners, who keep an animal that will happily torture other smaller animals to death with no intention of eating it. Personally I find that barbaric but it appears to be socially acceptable. And what about the fish torturers ? I cannot believe that people actually get pleasure from going out and hooking fish by their mouths with barbed hooks and torturing them before throwing them back !!
That really is cruelty of the highest order and is done for pleasure, there is no intention to protect livestock or anything else, it is barbarism for the sake of it.
And to the people who go on about fox hunters enjoying the hunt. What did you expect them to do ? Ride around looking miserable ? I am sure that there are plenty of farmers, sitting out on cold nights with a gun protecting the eggs and chickens and lambs for the supermarket shelves, that are looking pretty miserable now. So that people can sit in their centrally heated houses watching telly and feel all smug because fox hunting has been banned.

It is a strange paradox I know, but all of the anglers I know love fish. Don't ask me to explain this because I do realise it's odd. Barbed hooks are now banned on most waters, but I'm not trying to claim that barbless hooks necessarily make catching fish OK. I have struggled with this question for quite a few years, as I love fishing, but do wonder whether it's cruel. A final point: get rid of fishing and you can wave goodbye to most of the small waters in this country; they're only there because anglers take on their upkeep.
How could you all have forgotten Tony Hancock. If 'The Blood Donor' doesn't make you laugh, you must be dead.
Quote by Scandal
No but a couple of hundred ayslum seekers take priorty over us when it comes to housing waiting lists!

Do you actually know the difference between an asylum seeker, a legal non EU immigrant, an illegal immigrant and a worker from a EU Member State?
Quote by Mr-Powers
along comes a family of asylum seekers...wether it one or one hundred...they would have priorty other you and your family...

Google the word ... hostel rolleyes
I do.
An asylum seeker is fleeing from persecution in their own country. My place of work helps out a few of them. Some of them are really easy to spot. Rather helpfully, their ears have been chopped off. They live in hostels run by charities mostly.
Illegal immigrants are in the UK illegally and can't therefore can't claim any benefits at all - saves 'us' a few quid I suppose.
Legal non EU immigrants go through a rigorous application procedure before they are allowed to enter the UK. one of the criteria for success is that they can support themselves on arrival.
Workers from the EU are here perfectly legally - to work funnily enough. that's the free market for you.
Quote by Scandal
even an asylum seeker...who jumps up the list,taking your place and hundreds of others

What? Do they give each asylum seeker a couple of hundred houses each now then? confused
The immigration/asylum problem you keep banging on about (and lumping both together rolleyes) is a market forces issue, Maggie's dream!
You can't have all your cheap goods in the shops without people here and abroad prepared to work for wages you probably wouldn't work for.
What's the difference between me following Normans advice and Pole doing the same? Jack shit!
I wish I'd said that.
Quote by Mr-Powers
Precisely! Public housing was meant for those who couldn't afford to buy. I do realise that these are a feckless lot who deserve no sympathy as they should get on their bikes and find proper, well-paying jobs, but the country would have trouble functioning without them.

:shock:
My grandparents were both in the armed forces during WWII and both worked full time after that, however they still couldn't afford to buy their small council house.
You might want to rethink your narrow minded attitude. confused
i wouldn't borrow kiss...these one's only come out of the woodwork when they can find a thread they can troll in!
unless your on at £75,000 a year...there isn't much you can get London...i don't earn that....are you saying i'm one of the fekless lot who should get on his bike and look for a well paid job?
Nope - I'm saying you deserve a decent place to live whoever you are. It's a pity Margaret Thatcher didn't think likewise.
Quote by Kiss
Precisely! Public housing was meant for those who couldn't afford to buy. I do realise that these are a feckless lot who deserve no sympathy as they should get on their bikes and find proper, well-paying jobs, but the country would have trouble functioning without them.

:shock:
My grandparents were both in the armed forces during WWII and both worked full time after that, however they still couldn't afford to buy their small council house.
You might want to rethink your narrow minded attitude. confused
Irony - my grandparents were exactly the same!
Quote by varca
Didn't Thatcher bring out the "right to buy council houses" ??

She did.
well she did one good thing then!
Is it a good thing though? So the council have built lots of new houses for those who cannot afford to buy privately? Social housing availabilty has dramatically declined since Maggie approved this. Waiting lists are horrendous. Our homeless figures are sky high. I am all for the new legislation which will revoke the right to buy rule.
Precisely! Public housing was meant for those who couldn't afford to buy. I do realise that these are a feckless lot who deserve no sympathy as they should get on their bikes and find proper, well-paying jobs, but the country would have trouble functioning without them.
Quote by MikeNorth
Thatcher's quip that 'there is no such thing as society', but only individuals who are basically out for themselves was unforgivable. It let loose a flood of selfish nastiness that this country has never really gotten over. It is true that we are now more 'free' because of her; but only in a very narrow economic sense. It seems great being free to afford all sorts of consumer goods, but being free to find yourself an NHS dentist isn't nearly so wonderful.
Thatcher manufactured the war with Argentina in the same way that she manufactured the war with the miners. Both were cynical acts of political posturing designed to cement her place in history.
Any fool can be divisive. Great politicians unite communities. They don't deny they ever existed in the first place. Thatcher will go down in history for sure; but it will be as a crook rather than as the great saviour she sees herself as.

Fine post - I agree with it all.
What would Thatcher think of Swinging Heaven if she came in here to have a nosey? Well, she had no strong sense of personal morality, she believed that the market should decide most things, so she wouldn't necessarily be shocked.
She would probably tell the site owners that they weren't charging enough, and that they should stop all these namby-pamby free memberships and make everyone pay at the market rate! lol
I think she would probably wonder why anybody was wasting their time on here when they could be earning more money to spend on more stuff they didn't perhaps need.
Quote by Mr-Powers
Didn't Thatcher bring out the "right to buy council houses" ??

She did.
well she did one good thing then!
Except if you're now languishing on a waiting list. She also stopped councils from building further public housing to make up for the stock they were forced to sell.
Quote by jaymar
Didn't Thatcher bring out the "right to buy council houses" ??

She did.
Thatcher's quip that 'there is no such thing as society', but only individuals who are basically out for themselves was unforgivable. It let loose a flood of selfish nastiness that this country has never really gotten over. It is true that we are now more 'free' because of her; but only in a very narrow economic sense. It seems great being free to afford all sorts of consumer goods, but being free to find yourself an NHS dentist isn't nearly so wonderful.
Thatcher manufactured the war with Argentina in the same way that she manufactured the war with the miners. Both were cynical acts of political posturing designed to cement her place in history.
Any fool can be divisive. Great politicians unite communities. They don't deny they ever existed in the first place. Thatcher will go down in history for sure; but it will be as a crook rather than as the great saviour she sees herself as.
Quote by Sassy-Seren
Does anyone know the origins of this phrase?

Probably something some wit made up for a t shirt dunno
After my extensive research (I looked it up on Google) it seems that you're probably right - it is simply a t shirt slogan. I found another one whilst carrying out my enquiry. It's not quite as good as the original, but there is something about it I like:
'Cover me in ketchup and feed me to the panthers!'
A fellow culture vulture like myself I see. No-one's taken the bait as yet though! You'd think people would be clammering for an opportunity like this. It was a work of genious for sure. Noel's never done better in my opinion. Apart from Swap Shop perhaps. Now that was class.
'Cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians'. Where does that come from? My friend's kids keep saying.
Does anyone remember that brilliant quiz show Tele Addicts? Now if you could be bothered or if you fancied masquerading as Noel Edmonds, that would be super past-time on here.