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13 Oct 2005

Quote by bluexxx
I don't need friends who judge me on the contents of one thread . I have 000's more posts in here that have made ppl laugh, have made them cry too I suspect .... those people have told me privately that they agree with the things I have said in here today.... those are the people I shall remember after today. I'm not interested in shallow people who like me one minute then slam me the next .... I like real friends not part time ones.

Well, I'm not your friend as I have never met you in person. I can thus only judge you baed on what you have written on the forum. Until this thread I can't say I had an opinion about you, one way or another.... you were just a reg who's posts I read, and yes, sometimes your posts make me laugh. However, what you have written in this thread has appalled me. You have upset people, straight and bi alike.... Your inclusion of information about people's personal lives pertaining to their experiences of domestic violence was particularly distasteful and I have to say, downright disgraceful.
I have no time for shallow people either, but I'm afraid that your attempts at humour in the face of such serious subjects like homophobia, domestic violence and have come over as nothing more than shallow at best, and at worst, callous. I sincerely hope you are secretly ashamed at yourself and your attempts at humour of been merely a method to cover up that shame. An open apology to all those you've offended might be good right now btw.
Yes, people are entitled to voice their opinions, but when such opinion is based on a lack of understanding of fact, and when such opinion has obviously upset so many, I think it is time to shut up.
A shovel will not dig you out of this one. A JCB might do the job a little quicker.
Nah.... dont think I'll bother..... the PC Brigade will soon find someone else to hang..... they thrive on it..... won't be posting in The Cafe again .... cyas. xxx

13 Oct 2005

Quote by Dawn_Mids
Mind your own fookin business!!!

Wishy you might be laughing but I hope you realise how many people you have offended today with your postings rolleyes

rolleyes

You are not at all the person I thought you were sad

sad

I don't believe for one minute that you can dig yourself all the way back out your hole, only time will tell dunno

dunno

The truth sometimes hurts Dawn .. I see things for how they really are. i'm not going to open this thing up again... what's been said has been said .... I've seen it before and not just on here..... I have a different viewpoint than others and have been slammed for it as ignorant and niave..... I've been out in the world and seen a lot of it's nastiness..... I've seen hypocrisy and I've seen how people are fooled by well wishers who have their own hidden agendas...... as a result... I trust very few people and those I do trust have earned it.
If ppl want to dislike me for having the balls to stand up and say what I feel then so be it..... I don't need friends who judge me on the contents of one thread . I have 000's more posts in here that have made ppl laugh, have made them cry too I suspect .... those people have told me privately that they agree with the things I have said in here today.... those are the people I shall remember after today. I'm not interested in shallow people who like me one minute then slam me the next .... I like real friends not part time ones.

13 Oct 2005

Quote by JudyTV

It's been assumed in this thread that I am bi myself - ok - now the subject has been raised I'll answer it, yes I am. Not many people know my sexuality because I choose not to advertise it - it's my business, yet on occasion in the chat room where it has been mentioned one or two people have been shocked and casually remarked "Wishy, is there something you're not telling us" - all tongue-in-cheek and I treated it as such, but still it remains no-one's business but mine. ...... hehehe

But the question is - do you take it up the shitter?
lol

lol

Mind your own fookin business!!! :lol:

13 Oct 2005

Don't seem to have been added to the list.... can you add myself and Poppies for both the show and the after's party. Thanks.
Chris & Nikki xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

13 Oct 2005

That's what I love about you Postie, you don't give a flying hoot about friendships, if something needs saying you come out and say it. We're still mates, that won't change at all coz I value someone who calls me an asshole when they know me much much better than some of those who've criticised me on here without knowing me at all.
My posts have been a deliberate fly in the ointment, I intended to be controversial because what really pisses me off are people who take a viewpoint and slam dunk into oblivion ANYONE who dares to contradict them.
Bottom line?? We ain't equal and we never will be. It doesn't matter what cause you are fighting for, there will always be someone to shoot you down. The very nature of a 'fight' means at least two protagonists. Yep, I'll play devil's advocate if it means exposing some people for the mind numbingly boring band wagon chasers that they are but I'll also stand alongside someone who has put together a very reasoned argument and I'll support them.
I am the sum total of my experiences to date and I find the human psyche sadly failing. They mean well and in a perfect world I'm sure we would all live in harmony but that's not the case is it? Contradiction seems to be the one thing humans are consistent about. We fuck things up at every level. Been doing it for years. How many times must we hear the phrase "We must never allow this to happen again!" ... but it does!!!
I watched a programme on TV the other night about the 80's gender benders. They were so up and out there in the 80's, setting the world ablaze to highlight the plight of people that were perceived as different...... and what did they do on TV the other night? .... slammed each other as bitches and tarts (Marylyn and Boy Goerge ........ ffs....... what a comedy act they could have made) .. B/George: "I did it first, it sooooo pissed me off when Marylyn came out with HIS record!" .... I mean c'mon .... get a grip...... they can't even live with each other ffs..... and they expect the rest of society to embrace them ..... they're no different to any other cross section of society .... couples argue all the time..... people 'snipe' at each other all the time...... there isn't nothing SPECIAL about being Gay. Which was the point in my very first post.
There are dozens of people who are handicapped in one way or another in today's society but do you see them having Pride marches ffs..... no.... they get on with it, they deal with it...... and they progress..
I just don't want a person's sexuality to be something that has to be made a political issue of. Sleep with whoever you want to sleep with...... I don't give a toss...... but please, keep it to yourself.
Half the people in power are corrupt anyway..... lawyers, doctors, policemen et al..... and these people sit in judgement over the rest of us! I just see the world for what it really is, my rose coloured glasses were broken many years ago..... and I see hypocrisy in all it's ugly forms. I've seen someone be hauled up before the beak for kerb-crawling... then the judge that sentenced him was later caught for the same thing a few months later.
The Difference?
The first guy was fined and publicly humiliated and his wife left him (A mate of mine actually)
The Judge: case abandoned, pay off, retired from public life on health grounds.
Crap to equality, it don't exist!

13 Oct 2005

Quote by equi-princess
mmm.... what would be your choice...
Stockings..... very sexy in either sheer or black
Tights... very useful for keeping warm in the winter under jods on a cold day, not much use for anything else.....
Bare legs... bit chilly... only works if you have tanned legs ...
So.... people.... which would you choose to wear and why???????
equi-princess xxx

I've worn tights before lol............. used to be a postman years ago and boy do they keep ur legs warm on cold winter mornings. Thick bloody things they were. Never left home without them lol.

13 Oct 2005

Quote by Fred aka Medic 1
Wishmaster
How easy it is for an "ex editor" to back peddle going down hill into the shit.
phredd.

I haven't back peddled at all. I stand by every word I have said.
Do you want to continue this in PM? This is a Rant thread, I won't get into personal attack with you.

13 Oct 2005

Quote by Calista
Wishmaster, why do you come back to this subject and keep getting people wound up by your misguided views; then go in the chatroom and complain about posting in The Steam Room?

I didn't complain.. I'm having a giggle..... I find it hilariousthat my views are dismissed as niave or stupid or whatever.... simply because they don't coincide with other people's views. I have not called anyone anything on this thread. I have stated my argument and responded to other arguments put back to me..... I have not resorted to name calling at all.
I love adult reasoned debate, I find it stimulating and I do learn from it. But I will never back down from anyone by being intimidated.
I'm glad you find domestic violence so funny ..... you can see all the women here laughing too!!!!
In reality I pity you I really do ...
Oh FGS!!! I give up!!!

13 Oct 2005

Quote by Calista
I seemed to have provoked quite some reaction here, both on this thread and in PM. And that's good, any dialogue is better than none.
I have been with women from THIS website who have been victims of sexual or physical abuse in the past and I asked them why they didn't leave the bastard after the very first incident (it's normally the husband or someone the victim knows well) and I was shocked at some of the answers I got: I loved him, my family wanted me to go back, my kids were there, I loved the social lifestyle I had ..... er...... Hello!!!!..... the guy beat the fook out of you/ you etc,...... pack ya bags and go!!! . End of!

No, sorry a dialogue that is so misguided as yours is not good, however much of a response it gets. I am insulted that you have said that.
I am even more insulted about your paragraph I have enboldened. It shows just how misguided and naive you really are. Again, I am insulted by your lack of tact and lack of understanding.
Please do not continue to insult me Wishy or we will seriously fall out.
Woah!.... hold on a sec ...... these were actual conversations that took place....... I'm condemning violence against women here not condoning it! . why do they stay with abusive men?...... Surely anyone would leave at the first sign of trouble... wouldn't they?
Yes it's so easy to judge .... lets answer this one practically shall we Wishmaster!
You've been in a relationship where you are a victim, your abuser has over a period or years isolated you from all your friends and family ..... so you know no-one, the people you do know the abuser has poisoned that you are hysterical and prone to over exaggeration. You (the victim) have been slowly ground down to the point you are robbed of all your confidence, your self esteem and you might believe to yourself that you deserve everything you get. You (the victim) have no where to go and wouldn't know who to turn to .... you have ne means of support and possibly small children ... where would you go? You (the victim) cannot go to the police in case they don't believe you or visit the house when your abuser is home .... you daren't phone a help agency in case the number shows on phone records, you have no mobile phone and no money to use a payphone.
Now, how easy is it to leave an abuser?
An answer to a question I did not know the answer to before, thank you Calista.
I will NEVER understand a man who professes love for someone then beats her/him up. That is not love in my book. Love is putting that one special person before all others for the rest of your life. It's just a shame I haven't found her yet.

13 Oct 2005

Quote by nesxycple
Wishmaster, why do you come back to this subject and keep getting people wound up by your misguided views; then go in the chatroom and complain about posting in The Steam Room?

I didn't complain.. I'm having a giggle..... I find it hilarious that my views are dismissed as niave or stupid or whatever.... simply because they don't coincide with other people's views. I have not called anyone anything on this thread. I have stated my argument and responded to other arguments put back to me..... I have not resorted to name calling at all.
I love adult reasoned debate, I find it stimulating and I do learn from it. But I will never back down from anyone by being intimidated.

13 Oct 2005

Quote by naughtynymphos1
Having been in a relationship in the past, i must stress not Paul, where i was hit by my partner to the point i ended up in hospital on more than one ocasion i feel i must say in defence of all these women......
walking out is not easy, you are looking at it from a mans point of view not a womans who is scared of this person, if they can beat you into hospital while you are together what will they do to you if you leave and they find you? thats the thought that go thro your head and please do not insult these women and say go to the police cause believe me its a joke they DO NOT want to know.

Ok Ali, fair comment, I can only look at it from a man's perspective as that's what I am, but what's the answer: stay until he kills you?? Surely there must be somewhere or someone that these women can turn to?
Only today I read about a young mother of two who married into a family from hell and eight members of that family systematically beat her to death over a period of months. They eventually killed her and dumped her body. She was just 20 years old.

13 Oct 2005

Quote by bluexxx
I seemed to have provoked quite some reaction here, both on this thread and in PM. And that's good, any dialogue is better than none.
I have been with women from THIS website who have been victims of sexual or physical abuse in the past and I asked them why they didn't leave the bastard after the very first incident (it's normally the husband or someone the victim knows well) and I was shocked at some of the answers I got: I loved him, my family wanted me to go back, my kids were there, I loved the social lifestyle I had ..... er...... Hello!!!!..... the guy beat the fook out of you/ you etc,...... pack ya bags and go!!! . End of!

No, sorry a dialogue that is so misguided as yours is not good, however much of a response it gets. I am insulted that you have said that.
I am even more insulted about your paragraph I have enboldened. It shows just how misguided and naive you really are. Again, I am insulted by your lack of tact and lack of understanding.
Please do not continue to insult me Wishy or we will seriously fall out.
Woah!.... hold on a sec ...... these were actual conversations that took place....... I'm condemning violence against women here not condoning it! . why do they stay with abusive men?...... Surely anyone would leave at the first sign of trouble... wouldn't they?

13 Oct 2005

I seemed to have provoked quite some reaction here, both on this thread and in PM. And that's good, any dialogue is better than none.
Ok, so I may have been playing devil's advocate here, in fact I was being deliberately non-pc here for the simple reason that political correctness changes with the tide so why the fook should I be pc about one thing one day and then change my view on it another day as it's no longer pc? Bollox to that philosophy!!!
HornyRed has trawled through my previous posts and quoted some of the things I've said from months back - and on this thread it's been quoted out of context. I'm not about to backtrack on anything I've said in the past, most of it has been tongue-in-cheek anyway as that's the kind of person I am - I don't take life seriously and there's a reason for that.
The Chams thread from start to finish has been one big giggle - it is clearly stated on the opening post that it began as an off-the-cuff remark made in the chat room so to misquote me on this thread is doing me a grave injustice. Go read the thread in it's entirety. I'm here to swing, I don't give a toss who gets victimised in Botswana or fookin Brighton for that matter, let the politician's deal with that, that's what they are elected for. But don't expect too much action unless there's a fook load of oil to be gained by intervening.
I have been politically active when I was young - and very niave - believing that I could change the world by getting involved - and what a total waste of time that was. Why?
I'll tell you - local politics are ruled by local people and if you want to change things you cannot go against your local party leader - I did and the bastard kicked me out - you have to bide your time, procrastinate yourself on an unholy alter of bureaucracy and sucking up to the big cheese until maybe in ten, twenty years time the miserable git dies or gets caught pilfering public funds or awarding contracts to his fookin masonic brothers and THEN you can finally step into his job and implement your own policies - THAT'S LOCAL POLITICS - I KNOW, I'VE BEEN THERE!
The one thing that has permeated this thread is the issue of equaility.
In a perfect world, yes I agree, we should all be equal under the sun, but we're not living in Utopia, Shangri-La or any other mythical place where everyone lives a free and happy life with no fear of persecution, victimisation, bullying, whatever. Wake up and smell the shit-stained roses. We live here, in this hellhole and it isn't fair, life isn't fair. People aren't fair. Look at all those poor buggers from China that died in a stinking container - why? Coz their own government wasn't fair, the people that smuggled them in weren't fair, the British public aren't fair - coz we don't want them here and all they wanted was a better life for themselves - why haven't the Brits and the Americans gone into China and sorted them out? Answer: Coz China would kick the fookin crap out of us if we tried! China has 1000's of those 50 foot missiles they can send over here and render our homeland into a nuclear desert for the next 200 years. We (read: the Western Superpowers) prefer to go and scrap someone we KNOW we can beat. We don't let mad fanantical muslim states have nuclear weapons but our leaders will tell us that the muslim faith is a good faith - it may well be a good faith but we still feel a wee bit queezy letting some mullah have his finger on a Big Red Button somewhere don't we ...... tsk tsk tsk... like we know better don't we - who was it that enslaved the negroes a 100 years ago? - oh yeah, it was us wasn't it, the supreme whites and look how we fooked that up!
In answer to Sassy's post (and you know I like you as a person Sassy, we've had many a giggle in the chat room so this isn't personal ok).
A few points I'd like to answer here:

You talk about black people and self segregation - don't be absurd! Black poeple have not sought to segregate themselves from society, however it has taken many many years for them to gain any semblance of equal right under the law in this country, and even with those laws in place they are not equal.

Are you denying the existence of ghettoes where white people cannot go after dark? Even the police have no go areas for the fear of violence if they enter into black areas. That is a fact!
I'd agree that there is racism in every fibre of our society but it's not a one-way racism, white's have been victims of racist attacks as well as black people (I use the word 'black' generically, no offence intended) - and it is abhorrent whoever is on the receiving end of it.

Still worse off in education

Black children do not have a lesser chance at a decent education than white children, the opportunity to knuckle down at school and get some serious work done is there for all children in Britain today. I do not know why the statistics show that white children fare better in schools than black children, but the stats are there for all to see. I don't have the answer as to why, but your statement is incorrect in so much as it's not an institutional problem.

more likely to be stopped by the police, still targeted by groups such as BNP, still subject to attack, a young man was killed not so long ago in Liverpool you may remember - his crime - the colour of his skin!

Yes, institutional racism within the Police Force is rife and should be stamped out - I'm with you 100% on that one, the BNP have had many of their teeth pulled in some very carefully planned manoevres on their leaders who been shown to be nothing more than gangster-style thugs. The sooner the BNP is banned the better in my opinion. The young man killed in Liverpool was an absolute tradegy and it should never have happened but it was an isolated incident - it is not a common place occurance in Britain today, but I do have to ask the question: Why did the media continually refer to him as 'the black teenager etc ...' yet when white children are murdered they are not referred to as 'the white teenager etc...'? The reason for that is due to media sensationalism, these types of stories sell papers, grab headlines and we, the consuming public, prop up this media frenzy by feeding off it.

and did it ever occur to you that legal equality does not give you equal standing within society, not until every barrier has been smashed away, when we look at each other and see each other and not a skin colour / a sexuality etc then, legal equality isn't quite franky worth the paper it's written on!

I'm sorry Sassy, you have my cast iron guarantee that this will NEVER happen. The people in power don't want it to happen. We could combat racism very easily and very effectively by simply shooting anyone who is guilty of a racist crime. Would that work? Damn right it would, but it's too draconian, and we're too delicate, we don't have the stomach for it. The fight against racism starts in the playground - that's where the battle is fought and won. I will not allow my daughter to refer to anyone by their skin colour, she has in the past but that's down to her maternal grandfather who is a racist I'm ashamed to say. So long as there are differences between people then some form of racism will exist - it's human nature. Maybe everyone should fuck everyone until we're all the same colour, it will only take 500 years! (quote from a film with Warren Beatty)

a woman is sexually assualted something like avery two minutes in this country, women who press charges for /assualt are still subject to ideas of did she ask for it - what was she wearing etc, women are still under-represented in all institutions of society - law, workplace, parliament, judiciary, police etc.

I have been with women from THIS website who have been victims of sexual or physical abuse in the past and I asked them why they didn't leave the bastard after the very first incident (it's normally the husband or someone the victim knows well) and I was shocked at some of the answers I got: I loved him, my family wanted me to go back, my kids were there, I loved the social lifestyle I had ..... er...... Hello!!!!..... the guy beat the fook out of you/ you etc,...... pack ya bags and go!!! . End of!
Sorry Sassy hon, I'm not having a go at you at all, your posts have been eloquent and well thought out and you have made some very valid points but I've seen them before in the past and nothing really changes. The day I realised that was like having the wind physically knocked out of me and I gave up on politics altogether.
Change of subject:
It's been assumed in this thread that I am bi myself - ok - now the subject has been raised I'll answer it, yes I am. Not many people know my sexuality because I choose not to advertise it - it's my business, yet on occasion in the chat room where it has been mentioned one or two people have been shocked and casually remarked "Wishy, is there something you're not telling us" - all tongue-in-cheek and I treated it as such, but still it remains no-one's business but mine. But they felt they had a right to know - do they fook!
I do not give a flying fart who gets offended by what I say, I have always spoken my mind and will continue to do so until the day I draw my last breath. Castigate me if you will but you should know this: I have received pm's from people who agree with me wholeheartedly but are too afraid to voice their opinions on here for fear of BEING PERSECUTED FOR DOING SO! ... so take your best shot, it bothers me not one iota.
I'll leave the bold off this post as it's a long one ........ hehehe

13 Oct 2005

Quote by Angel Chat

In THIS country 200 years ago you would have stoned to death for being a homosexual.... now it is acceptable.... was it wrong then to be Gay?
In some parts of the world TODAY you can STILL be put to death for being Gay... is it wrong to be gay there, here or everywhere at anytime? Who moved the goalposts?

At no point has anyone here said that it's wrong to be gay. But why have attitudes and opinions changed so much over the last few years? Because (at least in part) of the events and campaigns that have raised awareness of the situations, attitudes, prejudices... Because of the very marches and "special days" that you so strongly object to.
It's not that I object to them Angel.... I just think that sex and sexuality is a private matter .... it shouldn't be paraded down the street with the kids in tow...... we're told to protect our kids from knowledge of sex too early on and then some people haul them off to a gay march ffs.. what's their first question : er ..... daddy..... or you daddy..... either of you will do..... what does 'Gay' mean?

13 Oct 2005

Quote by naughtynymphos1
I am against anything or anyone who seeks to gain extra rights ABOVE THOSE WHICH THEY ALREADY HAVE ......

Hang on a mo
It wasn't that long ago that women was having to fight for extra right ABOVE THOSE WHICH THEY ALREADY HAD, and them ritghts was to vote, for equal pay, equal jobs etc, if you was around then would u also have been against that too? because but your very own wording YES you would have :shock:
Ali.. women didn't have the SAME rights as anyone else.... they had LESS ..... so no, I would not have been against Mrs Parkhurst and her equal rights movement. Many women did actually sacrifice themselves upon the altar of equality and I respect that enormously. If it wasn't for them then we would have a very male-biased society today.

13 Oct 2005

Quote by rogerthedragon

I did read and answer it Angel ....... gay people already have equal rights under the law as non-gay people .... I wasn't aware that they need anymore than the rest of society.

Gay people do have equal protection in theory under the law - however they do not experience equal treatment from society.
There is no equality between people, there never has been and never will be.. it starts in the playground and extends it's reach right through our lifetimes. It is extremely niave to believe that democracy can bring about equality. Even the most 'equalitarian' political bias - Communism - cannot work because it means someone has to be in charge to ensure that everyone is equal - and that's not equal is it - one guy (or a committee of people) in charge of everyone else.
There are leaders and there are followers, there are winners and there are losers. Equality is a myth, and to combat inequality society seeks to peg back the 'haves' to the level of the 'have nots' - the lowest common denominator.
There are many rules and cons used against us in every aspect of our lives and it is all centred around the transference of power from one person to another - namely from YOU to them. I know what these rules are and I know when they are being used against me, ergo my power cannot be taken from me, only I can give it away.
So what's the answer?
'I don't give a shit' is the only answer you can have - live your life as best you can, ensure that those around you are happy with you as a person and to hell with all the rest. I'm sure not going to give a flying fook about someone in another part of the world who doesn't even know my name. But I'm not letting ANY government con me into thinking that I should care coz governments change and when they do so do their policies. It's all bullshit.

13 Oct 2005

Quote by Angel Chat
Now I've gone totally off track so I'll attempt to bring it back to the point in question by asking Wishmaster whether he actually read Mistress Sassy's excellent post. I somehow think not, because the content should surely have made him realise that Pride events are not about gay people (or anyone else for that matter) asking for special rights, merely for the same acceptance and legal rights that heterosexuals enjoy without even thinking about them.

I did read and answer it Angel ....... gay people already have equal rights under the law as non-gay people .... I wasn't aware that they need anymore than the rest of society.
All I am trying to say here is that the media are forever pushing us down the PC route and I'm getting a bit sick of ppl telling me i'm homophobic, racist, sexist, ageist, ... and any other 'ist' or 'ism' that they want to label me with simply because I have a different view than them.
Sexual orientation is not something that should confer special status upon a specific group of people as then it becomes detrimental to other people who don't belong to that demographic section of society.

13 Oct 2005

Quote by JudyTV
Wishmaster.
is it just the gay community you object to having a celebration day? or is it any or all minority groups. The Bisexual community have a celebration day in Manchester too, in fact the Transgender community have three (3) in the year. Is that ok or not?
The Afro Caribbean community have joined with Gay Pride movement in Manchester to form "Pride Day" Now known as "Pride" Do you also object to this community having a celebration "pride" day?
It has little if anything to do with your nasty statement of "nothing special about sticking ur dick up another guy's shitter is there? Or one woman going down on another woman ... er.. well maybe there is" Because you are in fact mixing two factors here, bisexuality and homosexuality the reason being because either activity above can be credited to either community. So is it the Gay community, the bi community, the whole LGBT community or minority celebrations such as Saints days?
Not everyone in the world shouts about Christmas day or Good Friday either, is that one ok? So what is it ??? Is it the fact that its bisexuality that should SHUT UP, or just gays? if its bisexuals then you are including a hell of of a lot of the general population in both males and females. If its gays then why just gays?
You will find that "Pride" days are celebrated in most major cities or towns in the UK and many combine with other minority groups.
My real question is ...is it the gays that you object to celebrating or all of the pride events?
Did you really have to make the statement of ....sticking ur dick up another guy's shitter is there? This activity is not restricted to the gay community, and in fact many gay men do not indulge in this form of sex anyway. however women with strap-ons do it to straight men too. Bi men do it to each other. Men do it to females.
Better not have a "Strap-on celebration day" then eh? or " A anal penetyration day"
LGBT have their days too (Lesbian, Gay,Bisexual,Transgender) The Gay Christians have a celebration day. So do tthe Gay sports Federation. Are they ok though.
So which is it ?
Judy.... bisexual ...not gay.

Oh dear, have I hurt someone's delicate senses by using the term 'shitter' .......ffs.. ok then, anal, bum, asshole. choose one. it's all the same ... you're simply picking flaws in my vocabulary.
Why do Gay Christians feel the need to segregate themselves from all the other Christians?? Did Jesus have a special pink loincloth for part of the time he was nailed to the cross???
Why do black people feel that they need a special day all to themselves? It is this kind of self-segregation that allows prejudices to continue generation after generation ...
If the Caucasion populace demanded a special day just for themselves there would public outrage at such a blatant display of racism . tsk tsk . and we can't have that can we?
I am against anything or anyone who seeks to gain extra rights ABOVE THOSE WHICH THEY ALREADY HAVE ...... if someone is victimised in the workplace beacuase of their sexuality then there are laws in place to deal with that ...... if someone is brutalised on the street because of their sexuality then there are laws in place to deal with that too ...... what I am attempting to convey (head, banging & walls spring to mind here) is that gay people are not entitled to ANY additional rights because of their sexuality .... gay people - both male and female - are made up from people from all walks of life and there are adequate laws in place to protect them from victimisation the same as any other collection of people in the community..
Sex is a personal, private and intimate thing and I believe that it should not be made an open issue such as 'Gay Rights' attempts to do, but, as it has been dragged into the public domain then I am as free to discuss what I trhink is wrong with it as those are who feel that they are correct too....
It does seem that if anyone dares to speak out in a non-politically correct way then they run the risk of being hauled through a kangaroo court and burned at the stake which is much akin to the Witch Trials of the 17th Century.
Nobody can accuse me of being homophobic - I am far from it but I object to people who post in here pontificating that I am wrong to voice my opinion if it doesn't coincide with their politicially correct version of their truth.
Define morality.
Morality is merely one's longitude cross referenced by one's latitude and compounded by the date.
In THIS country 200 years ago you would have stoned to death for being a homosexual.... now it is acceptable.... was it wrong then to be Gay?
In some parts of the world TODAY you can STILL be put to death for being Gay... is it wrong to be gay there, here or everywhere at anytime? Who moved the goalposts?
If someone wants to be gay then I have no problems with that, fine, be gay ..... I just wish they wouldn't keep harping on about how special they are, coz they're not additionally special in any way. Be proud to be a good human being, be proud to be a good father/mother, be proud to be a good law abiding citizen, but there's no need to march down the street waving banners proclaiming how proud you are simply because of who you sleep with. Keep it to yourself, I don't want to know who you fuck coz it really ain't that important to my life is it?
A Brotherhood of Man???. You gotta be fucking kidding me!!! There is not a chance in hell of mankind ever living in peace side by side because we're all different, and any attempt to make people equal is doomed to failure - we are NOT equal, we never have been and we never will be.

12 Oct 2005

Quote by little gem
wishy, I am actually offended.

er......... by me or by them having a special day????
The us and them attitude you're showing.

Now hold on a sec.... I'm displaying no 'us and them' attitude here.......... that's my point entirely........ it's THEM who creating this attitude by separating THEMselves from the rest of society....... I want them to be gay if that's what they want to be .. but integrate it into society and live like the rest of us........ and stop bleating on about it!
Go read a poem I posted on the poetry thread...... it's about homophobia in the days of Quentin Crisp...... when a man WAS beaten up for being openly gay ... those days are gone.... it is accepted in most places of the world now......I just wish they'd SHUT UP TALKING ABOUT IT.. your sex life is YOUR business!!!

12 Oct 2005

Quote by postie
wishy, I am actually offended.

er......... by me or by them having a special day????
I weren't too chuffed either.... you actually know better than this. I know you aren't homophobic so that's not where your rant is coming from, but it'll be very easy for someone to judge it as such. Or even take some comfort that someone else on this site is ranting at homosexuality.
Personally I don't give 2 gay monkies wanks who has a day for whatever... but the simple point is, with your particular rant, this: I am glad this particular day does happen. I am not getting involved in any way, but i know how much homophobia there still is in this society. It's bringing stuff out of the closet. It's showing young gay people that there is more to being homosexual than the effette, "nancy-boy" image , or the butch cat loving dykes stereotype.
Just one example. Maybe when someone who is on the verge of denying their sexuality and being miserable sees the Gay and Lesbian Police Officers Assoc on a Big Gay parade, and unashamedly Out, they will not only have their prejuidices dispelled, but maybe be more inclined to report homophobic attacks...
Anyhows... you want some more... go and re-read what I wrote when you last came out with such bollox. lol

lol

..... and relax!
I stand by what I said . ok maybe the WAY I posted was a bit flippant but I inteneded it to be no more than a light hearted pun-filled post with a serious edge to it. Most know that when I put hehehe's in my posts I'm usually having a giggle.... but I still think that gay people should shut the fook up about their sexuality and get on with their lives....
.... my own sexuality is known by a few in here .... so nobody can say I am prejudiced towards gay people. I just see no need to make a personal intimate thing such a publicly debated issue.... what u do in your own bedroom is your business. keep it to yourself and you don't have to put up with bullshit from anyone.
But let's introduce into the argument the magazine thats 'Outs' gay people who clearly don't want to be 'outed' . wtf gives them the right to 'expose' someone as gay??. Who the fuck do they think they are!!!

12 Oct 2005

Someone who is as honest as they claim to be ........ too many fookin liars in this game .... seemed to have lucked out now though. Got a lovely sexy lady who lives nearby and is honest and up front about things. It's like a breath of fresh air!!!

12 Oct 2005

Quote by little gem
wishy, I am actually offended.

er......... by me or by them having a special day????

12 Oct 2005

Gotta let off steam about this............
Gen_Herts_Cpl mentioned they were holidaying in the US right in the middle of Gay Day Whatever!!!
Why do gays have to celebrate it ffs........ is there a hetero special day???
Do heterosexual people run around mincing 'Hey! Look at me, I'm straight!'
.........grrrrrrrrrrrr ....... Gay people seem to think that being gay affords them special status... why? ffs...... . nothing special about sticking ur dick up another guy's shitter is there? Or one woman going down on another woman ... er.. well maybe there is ..... hehehe ...... but my point is..... if you're gay .. keep it to yaself!!!!!........ no need to shove it down everyone else's throat is there!!!!

12 Oct 2005

Quote by bluexxx
Oooops, I'm 4 mins late UNbanning him............... make that a 9 min ban now served :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What a lost opportunity ..... if he was banned from both the forum and the chat room at the same time we could have kicked him off the munches too ..... hehehehe ... smarten up mods n ops!!!! .. pmsl....

12 Oct 2005

There's no such thing as a bored housewife...... she's either:
1) Cleaning
2) Cooking
3) Ironing
4) Shagging
5) Shagging her friends on coffee mornings
6) Shagging her friend's husbands on non-coffee mornings
7) Shagging the postman (knew postie was taking too long on his deliveries)
.................. or maybe not as the case may be .. hehehe
8) All of the above ...... simultaneously!!!!! ........... now THAT'S what I call 'Swinging' :shock:

12 Oct 2005

Quote by sharon_2005
I don't have one
Minx x x

nor me, i feel kinda left out :(
Marry me ? That way we got one each biggrin

biggrin

Minx x x
deal :thumbup: who wants 2 be my best woman? :lol2:
i will be best woman if you like lol

lol

But then i won't have a wife either :(
well I can be Biwelsh's best woman and u can be naughtynymphos best woman and then we can get married too !!! so who wants to be our best women ?
We could start a trend !
Maybe Biwelsh and naughtynymphos could be our best women.. meens we get 2 :happy:
hmmmmm could be the start of a trend, maybe we should have Swinging Heaven marriage ceremony's :lol:
Fook that!!!. think of all the mother-in-laws you're gonna have!!!!!
Best thing about losing a wife is you lose ur mother-in-law too ..............
....plus you can shag around and not have to remember where you were, when you were there .. or which m8 you got to cover for you ... hehehe
<<< SINGLE & FOOKIN STAYIN THAT WAY >>>

12 Oct 2005

Happy Birthday m8!!!!!!!!!!
My 40th was in May and I had a good time ......... b/day itself was pretty shit but the munch/party later in the month was fantastic!!!
Go get wasted pal... life DOES begin now!!!

12 Oct 2005

It makes you wonder how people who have their health can whinge about their lives when you read of this kind of ongoing battle. Fair play to you guys for keeping it together and remaining upbeat and positive, I wouldn't at all surprised if you said that it didn't seem that way in the really dark days but you're still here and it's all coming right for you again.
Best wishes,
Chris xx

12 Oct 2005

Quote by oliveoyl
You are def on the list wishmaster hun.
Maybe I should find the acccomadtion with a jacuzzi :lol:
Looking forard to seeing you there hun

Hmmmm ..... a jacuzzi sounds really good........ either that or get a few people to fart in a normal bath hehehehe

11 Oct 2005

I've always had a kinky side and tried to encourage my ex wife to try swinging but she told me to fook off lol...
When I left her and found myself with my own place and the freedom to do as I pleased I googled 'Swinging +UK' and here I am..... and I haven't looked back since.
I've had to put up with some real fucking assholes and some insufferable liars along the way but I've met and played with some great people too - and made a few very very good friends.... all in all.... it's been good so far and as long as that feeling continues, here I will stay.