...you didnt..did you Alan?? OUCH!!
Yup, but only after getting the boot polish off first :embarrased:
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I am sorry if my posting offended philfun 1and my apologies to him ,
I would quite agree that to have someone to arrange a meet knowing that they are probably not going to show up is very annoying and frustrating. Ok we can all have a last minute crisis which can mean cancelling a meet, but not usually within such a short time of the arrangement being made, or for such forseeable reasons (No hot water for a bath, and its cold outside should have been obvious before kayaker made any arrangements.)
I suppose the very ease with which meetings can be arranged on sites such as these is in itself part of the problem. Too easy to make arrangements without any commitment to keep them.
The main point of the posting was towards jomju and his attitude to others, As I said in my posting we cannot all play late at night for whatever reason. This does not mean someone should be told to bugger off. ( Excuse the language).
I would quite agree that to have someone to arrange a meet knowing that they are probably not going to show up is very annoying and frustrating. Ok we can all have a last minute crisis which can mean cancelling a meet, but not usually within such a short time of the arrangement being made, or for such forseeable reasons (No hot water for a bath, and its cold outside should have been obvious before kayaker made any arrangements.)
I suppose the very ease with which meetings can be arranged on sites such as these is in itself part of the problem. Too easy to make arrangements without any commitment to keep them.
The main point of the posting was towards jomju and his attitude to others, As I said in my posting we cannot all play late at night for whatever reason. This does not mean someone should be told to bugger off. ( Excuse the language).
My sympathy lies entirely with Krazykayaker,
Not all of us can play until the early hours, indeed some of us are on our way to work while others are on their way to their (own ) beds!.
To tell these folk to go away is extremely rude and I feel suggests that the person posting that note (jomu) is very self centered and lacks any degree of consideration or understanding that other folk do have busy lives to lead, perhaps he has little else to do other than type drivel.
Not all of us can play until the early hours, indeed some of us are on our way to work while others are on their way to their (own ) beds!.
To tell these folk to go away is extremely rude and I feel suggests that the person posting that note (jomu) is very self centered and lacks any degree of consideration or understanding that other folk do have busy lives to lead, perhaps he has little else to do other than type drivel.
Just a thought to those married guys who are worried about the wife finding their stash of condoms.
Which would you rather explain:
(1) Why you had a condom in the glovebox ?
OR,
(2) Why you both have to visit the std clinic to get a nasty dose of something treated ?
Just for the record my explanation for (1) is : They were handing them out in the high street in some sort of safe sex campaign, and I just forgot it was there.
If you were wondering, No she didn't believe me either!
Which would you rather explain:
(1) Why you had a condom in the glovebox ?
OR,
(2) Why you both have to visit the std clinic to get a nasty dose of something treated ?
Just for the record my explanation for (1) is : They were handing them out in the high street in some sort of safe sex campaign, and I just forgot it was there.
If you were wondering, No she didn't believe me either!
I have found an excellent location for a couple who would like to be secretly watched.
I will be able to direct you to this spot where I would be hidden in bushes and waiting to watch you.
All you need to do is be in the university area of york, with a mobile phone so I can direct you to park where i can see you. You will need to open and stand at the passenger door. What you do then is up to you, but I would really like to see your wife/girlfriend give you a titty fuck and blowjob before you cum over her tits.
Directions will only be given to a female to avoid timewasters.
pm me to give me a contact no
I will be able to direct you to this spot where I would be hidden in bushes and waiting to watch you.
All you need to do is be in the university area of york, with a mobile phone so I can direct you to park where i can see you. You will need to open and stand at the passenger door. What you do then is up to you, but I would really like to see your wife/girlfriend give you a titty fuck and blowjob before you cum over her tits.
Directions will only be given to a female to avoid timewasters.
pm me to give me a contact no
Just thought i'd let u know that if you are considering using the park and ride sites to watch the closing times, the gates are locked at all the sites around 9pm.
i have used the one on the hull road for meeting lady freinds. one parking area is over a hill and from the main parking areas is hidden from casual view.
i would suggest you use this area for in car fun as it is rather exposed otherwise.
mind you it is rather cold for outdoor fun now anyway!
i have used the one on the hull road for meeting lady freinds. one parking area is over a hill and from the main parking areas is hidden from casual view.
i would suggest you use this area for in car fun as it is rather exposed otherwise.
mind you it is rather cold for outdoor fun now anyway!
I have to side with the No lobby on the subject of webcams on Swinging Heaven.
I'm sure many couples and ladies will agree that there are already enough trophy hunters and timewasters out there without even more bombarding them with requests for "Show us yer Tits while I wank". Lets leave these to the sites dedicated for these folk.
There are, I am sure, folk who would like to use webcam as a means of finding out about someone before arranging a meeting. So perhaps ads could carry some symbol to show a webcam is available to genuine replies?
I'm sure many couples and ladies will agree that there are already enough trophy hunters and timewasters out there without even more bombarding them with requests for "Show us yer Tits while I wank". Lets leave these to the sites dedicated for these folk.
There are, I am sure, folk who would like to use webcam as a means of finding out about someone before arranging a meeting. So perhaps ads could carry some symbol to show a webcam is available to genuine replies?
I know couples and single ladies can have a problem with trophy hunters and pic collectors. I am a male looking to meet a couple, but what amazes me is the number of requests I get from what proports to be couples (but are quite clearly single guys) asking for me to write a detailed letter of what I would like to do to their "wife".
I cannot imagine what pleasure they get from reading about a guy making love to an imaginary wife!
I cannot imagine what pleasure they get from reading about a guy making love to an imaginary wife!
Just a little tip to anyone thinking of buying their child a pet for christmas.
ALWAYS call the pet "Dr WHO". Then if the said pet should suddenly expire.
Instead of lots of tears and upset, just send your child off to a friend for a couple of hours and nip down to the pet shop for a replacement. ( Pet not child)
When your child returns home you can say, "Look Dr Who has reincarnated himself"
Problem solved
ALWAYS call the pet "Dr WHO". Then if the said pet should suddenly expire.
Instead of lots of tears and upset, just send your child off to a friend for a couple of hours and nip down to the pet shop for a replacement. ( Pet not child)
When your child returns home you can say, "Look Dr Who has reincarnated himself"
Problem solved
Quote by bluexxx
e o t th its y u d t w nt n yo a ay!
I've never worked out how to do quotes
It never works for me - see above
Or maybe I've just been doing it all wrong... can someone help :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Oh woooo hoooo, I've done it... look! :shock:
Ok lets see if dummy here can do it too :roll:
This subject is one that rumbles on and probably will for years but it's always good for a hearty exchange of views.
There are as many views on this as there are fish in the sea or stars in the sky, I read tigris's posting and get the impression that they have the view that getting married is purely about sex.
Most swingers will object to the term "putting it about" as they are nearly always very choosy about who they swing with. Ok I know there are those who choose the anything with anyone type swinging but in the main most folk choose specific partners. "Putting it about" is a term that is more at home to describe a guy or gal going out for a night on the pull with the intention of having a no commitment f**k with whoever they happen to meet.
There are as many views on this as there are fish in the sea or stars in the sky, I read tigris's posting and get the impression that they have the view that getting married is purely about sex.
Most swingers will object to the term "putting it about" as they are nearly always very choosy about who they swing with. Ok I know there are those who choose the anything with anyone type swinging but in the main most folk choose specific partners. "Putting it about" is a term that is more at home to describe a guy or gal going out for a night on the pull with the intention of having a no commitment f**k with whoever they happen to meet.
..The vast majority of my replies never get answered but I know couples are as snowed under as I am UNsnowed ,my interest is always genuine,even if I'm not the Brad Pitt they dream of
I have the same problem as Keith, I send a genuine reply and and don't receive even an acknowledgement.
On the same site I think Keith is referring to is a couple who live within 20 miles of me who I have contacted several times when they have advertised for a guy to join them.
On one occasion a meet was arranged but was cancelled by them within half an hour of the arrangement being made. The couples latest ads have included a tirade against timewasters who contact them and how sick they are about folk wasting their time
Hi again Alex,
Thank you for your kind words.
I think what you have to say sums up my views regarding life pretty well.
I am in a marriage where I can hardly look across the street without being accused of eyeing up another woman, if I were to meet one for lunch it would almost be grounds for divorce.
So why do I take the risk??
As has been said before it is MY life, and I will as far as I can, Live it my way to my values, such as they may seem warped to others.
As you so rightly say, No one else (including in my view a spouse) has the right to sit in judgement or condemn you for living a life in the way you desire.
Yes I will "cheat" on my wife,it is a choice that was not easy in the making, but I will strive to do it in such a way that causes her no hurt, yet allows me the freedom of my own soul.
Thank you for your kind words.
I think what you have to say sums up my views regarding life pretty well.
I am in a marriage where I can hardly look across the street without being accused of eyeing up another woman, if I were to meet one for lunch it would almost be grounds for divorce.
So why do I take the risk??
As has been said before it is MY life, and I will as far as I can, Live it my way to my values, such as they may seem warped to others.
As you so rightly say, No one else (including in my view a spouse) has the right to sit in judgement or condemn you for living a life in the way you desire.
Yes I will "cheat" on my wife,it is a choice that was not easy in the making, but I will strive to do it in such a way that causes her no hurt, yet allows me the freedom of my own soul.
Thanx crosspatch, I have to confess to struggle with some of the longer words, If I had a webcam you would be able to see my lips move as I type. 
You and Littles thoughts regarding personal morals are very true and relevent. My morals are I suppose a rather mixed bag, I am not against sex outside marriage but on the other hand would not want to simply sleep around with any casual pickup.
In the same vein I would want to meet a couple to make up a threesome, but would not consider a group, party or sex with someone I hadn't been introduced to !!
Odd I know but there it is.
You and Littles thoughts regarding personal morals are very true and relevent. My morals are I suppose a rather mixed bag, I am not against sex outside marriage but on the other hand would not want to simply sleep around with any casual pickup.
In the same vein I would want to meet a couple to make up a threesome, but would not consider a group, party or sex with someone I hadn't been introduced to !!
Odd I know but there it is.
I would firstly like to put on record my thanks to Alex for accepting my apology. I have also taken the relevant paragraph out of the posting.
Lou from Dazandlou raises the point about discretion and secrecy and where she feels the line between the two lies, (excuse the pun). I feel this re raises the conundrum that some of us married men find ourselves in.
Daz and Lou have found themselves able to discuss this situation and have an understanding under the circumstances in which Daz could possibly have a liason with another woman. Many many couples are able to come to arrangements of this kind, lets face it swinging would come to a halt without.
The fundamental problem some of us married guys have is that our wives, are, for one reason or another totally against any concept of sex outside the marriage. They would be against it in mind body and spirit with no compromise and certainly no prospect of a discussion about it. I know some will say "have you tried to discuss it?" Quite simply no, for the also very simple reason that I know my wife well enough to know her reaction would be one of total disgust and hurt.
The problem then for a more liberated and open minded partner is just what do we do?
Yes I suppose we should say "I will give this up for the person I love". But I am an individual too and some facets of my life I want to be mine and mine alone.
Sometimes we keep secrets to protect the one's we love from hurt. Can any one honestly say they have NEVER kept a secret from their partner? Please don't write and say I am trying to make myself out to appear noble by keeping this secret from her. I know I am not
Lou from Dazandlou raises the point about discretion and secrecy and where she feels the line between the two lies, (excuse the pun). I feel this re raises the conundrum that some of us married men find ourselves in.
Daz and Lou have found themselves able to discuss this situation and have an understanding under the circumstances in which Daz could possibly have a liason with another woman. Many many couples are able to come to arrangements of this kind, lets face it swinging would come to a halt without.
The fundamental problem some of us married guys have is that our wives, are, for one reason or another totally against any concept of sex outside the marriage. They would be against it in mind body and spirit with no compromise and certainly no prospect of a discussion about it. I know some will say "have you tried to discuss it?" Quite simply no, for the also very simple reason that I know my wife well enough to know her reaction would be one of total disgust and hurt.
The problem then for a more liberated and open minded partner is just what do we do?
Yes I suppose we should say "I will give this up for the person I love". But I am an individual too and some facets of my life I want to be mine and mine alone.
Sometimes we keep secrets to protect the one's we love from hurt. Can any one honestly say they have NEVER kept a secret from their partner? Please don't write and say I am trying to make myself out to appear noble by keeping this secret from her. I know I am not
I am very pleased to see my recent comments have elicited a wide spectrum of views on the subject of married men swinging without their partners knowledge.
I will apologise to Steveg if my comments seemed to be directed at him personally, and to Sgt. Bilko for appearing a bible basher, This at no time was ever my intention.
My comments and views expressed should never be taken as such, and are posted purely with a view to joining the debate on the thread, the subject is one which, as can be seen, has as many views as contributors, And which, I for one am finding quite fasinating.
Fabio, has hit on one of those wonderful questions which strikes at the very core. How would I feel if it was my wife doing the cheating? The quite simple and easy way out would be to say "I don't know unless it happend". But that is far too easy for a debate such as this and I guess I would be forced to admit that in such a situation I would probably feel pretty pissed off.
Ok guys and gals, here we go with another sub debate on how hipocritical I am being, although I hope the debate will actually concentrate more on the hipocrisy of the species rather on me personally. I feel I will not be alone. The scenario of a husband or wife cheating on a spouse and yet expecting the spouse to be as pure as driven snow is almost as old as marriage itself.
I guess I have rattled a few cages for the moment, so will sit back and watch with interest.
I will apologise to Steveg if my comments seemed to be directed at him personally, and to Sgt. Bilko for appearing a bible basher, This at no time was ever my intention.
My comments and views expressed should never be taken as such, and are posted purely with a view to joining the debate on the thread, the subject is one which, as can be seen, has as many views as contributors, And which, I for one am finding quite fasinating.
Fabio, has hit on one of those wonderful questions which strikes at the very core. How would I feel if it was my wife doing the cheating? The quite simple and easy way out would be to say "I don't know unless it happend". But that is far too easy for a debate such as this and I guess I would be forced to admit that in such a situation I would probably feel pretty pissed off.
Ok guys and gals, here we go with another sub debate on how hipocritical I am being, although I hope the debate will actually concentrate more on the hipocrisy of the species rather on me personally. I feel I will not be alone. The scenario of a husband or wife cheating on a spouse and yet expecting the spouse to be as pure as driven snow is almost as old as marriage itself.
I guess I have rattled a few cages for the moment, so will sit back and watch with interest.
I think my position regarding married men playing away needs a little clarification.
I wholeheartedly sympathise with the predicament the single lady found herself in, The whole point being that she found herself in that position because the guy lied to her in the first place and gave her the impression that he was a free agent.
This is something I would never condone, If you must swing alone as a married man I say be honest with the folk you are intending to meet and tell them your true status. at least they will then have that choice, knowing the circumstances, as to get involved or not.
Cheating on your wife is something for your consience within your marriage, to deceive the couple (or single) you are intending to meet as well, is thoroughly dispicable.
In my mind a married man playing away with the utmost discretion would surely be preferable to a single guy who, after a swinging meet, considers himself to be an uninvited part of the relationship.
There again, maybe I am more than a little biased.
I wholeheartedly sympathise with the predicament the single lady found herself in, The whole point being that she found herself in that position because the guy lied to her in the first place and gave her the impression that he was a free agent.
This is something I would never condone, If you must swing alone as a married man I say be honest with the folk you are intending to meet and tell them your true status. at least they will then have that choice, knowing the circumstances, as to get involved or not.
Cheating on your wife is something for your consience within your marriage, to deceive the couple (or single) you are intending to meet as well, is thoroughly dispicable.
In my mind a married man playing away with the utmost discretion would surely be preferable to a single guy who, after a swinging meet, considers himself to be an uninvited part of the relationship.
There again, maybe I am more than a little biased.
Not a swinging joke exactly but might raise a titter,
The Waltons,
John boy "Goodnight Mary Ellen"
Mary Ellen "Goodnight John boy"
Mary Ellen "Goodnight Jim Bob"
Jim Bob "Goodnight Mary Ellen , Goodnight John boy"
John boy "Goodnight Jim Bob, Goodnight Granma"
Granma "Goodnight John boy, Goodnight Jim Bob, Goodnight Mary Ellen"
Mary Ellen "Goodnight Granpa"
Granpa "Gonmphp Mryph Elleph"
Granma " Aw fuck granpa, how many times I told you 'bout talking with your mouthfull, you jess git them dang false teeth outa my pussy"
The Waltons,
John boy "Goodnight Mary Ellen"
Mary Ellen "Goodnight John boy"
Mary Ellen "Goodnight Jim Bob"
Jim Bob "Goodnight Mary Ellen , Goodnight John boy"
John boy "Goodnight Jim Bob, Goodnight Granma"
Granma "Goodnight John boy, Goodnight Jim Bob, Goodnight Mary Ellen"
Mary Ellen "Goodnight Granpa"
Granpa "Gonmphp Mryph Elleph"
Granma " Aw fuck granpa, how many times I told you 'bout talking with your mouthfull, you jess git them dang false teeth outa my pussy"
