We apologise gman if u think we have caused some/lots of ppl grief today...but...
in reference to your post...we haven't been given any kind of answer to whether...they feel our point about
"Them having the power to change things " along with similar webmasters etc.......is a good one or not.........
and until...one of them....starts to realise that is what we were hoping the thread would be all about in the end.........which was
"trying to see how a differing opinion to swinging/dogging or any other sexual diversity within legalality" can be publically stated.........well....
gman...We (and those like us) have no power at all...at least they have some...it's what they want to do with it...is the question ere....!!!
we originally outlined our opinion of how we viewed Mckess statement....which to be honest...is exactly the same view ..some of these had about the press n cops only but a few days ago !!!
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tim-jas n carp...no axe's to grind here with any of the ppl involved within the last thread....including Mods /masters/mistresses.......
but we still feel...the answer to whole problem of 'bad publicitiy'.........is WITHIN THE HANDS OF THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN REPLYING TO US DURING THIS THREAD.......
YET NOT ONE OF THEM...HAS STATED THAT.....
WE MAY HAVE A POINT HERE...WE 9MYSELF AND FAYE) AND OTHERS LIKE US....HAVE NO FUCKING POWER !!!!!
BUT...THEY DO.....!!!!
SO THUS...HAVING STARTED THE THREAD BY STATIN MR MCKEE'S THOUGHTS......IS ITNOT LOGICAL TO TELL MR MCKEE ...."THE ONLY WAY THINGS WILL CHANGE IS FOR THOSE LIKE HIM AND THE MODS OF THIS SITE ALONG WITH OTHERS WHO 'OWN' SWING SITES/PORN ETC ETC TO GET TOGETHER AND FIGHT FOR THE MINORITY THEY ARE SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENTING.......
NOT ONE OF THE MODS ERE...HAVE SAID OUTWARDLY TODAY......(ALTHO WE 'D LIKE TO THINK IT HAS HIT HOME TO THEIR BRAINS)
"'mMMMMM YES U MAY HAVE A POINT HORNYBRUMCPLE........IT IS TRUE...U HAVE NO POWER...BUT I/WE DO...SO IT'S UP TO ME/US HERE AT SWINGHEAVEN 'HEADOFFICE' TO ORGANISE SUMTHING N TRY TO AT LEAST GIVE SOME CREDIBILITY...ALONG WITH THE OTHER WEBSITES WHO ARE 'WHEN ALL SAID N DONE' RIVALS IN THE SAME BUSINESS............
DONT U THINK MODS......IT'S TIME NOW FOLKS TO MAYBE PUT THESE 'RIVALRY'S TO ONE SIDE'....GET TOGETHER....N SHOW ...THAT U ARE SIMILAR TO MCKEE....AND THAT YOUR WILLING TO GET YA EAD ABOVE THE PARAPET
answers would be appreciated
but we still feel...the answer to whole problem of 'bad publicitiy'.........is WITHIN THE HANDS OF THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN REPLYING TO US DURING THIS THREAD.......
YET NOT ONE OF THEM...HAS STATED THAT.....
WE MAY HAVE A POINT HERE...WE 9MYSELF AND FAYE) AND OTHERS LIKE US....HAVE NO FUCKING POWER !!!!!
BUT...THEY DO.....!!!!
SO THUS...HAVING STARTED THE THREAD BY STATIN MR MCKEE'S THOUGHTS......IS ITNOT LOGICAL TO TELL MR MCKEE ...."THE ONLY WAY THINGS WILL CHANGE IS FOR THOSE LIKE HIM AND THE MODS OF THIS SITE ALONG WITH OTHERS WHO 'OWN' SWING SITES/PORN ETC ETC TO GET TOGETHER AND FIGHT FOR THE MINORITY THEY ARE SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENTING.......
NOT ONE OF THE MODS ERE...HAVE SAID OUTWARDLY TODAY......(ALTHO WE 'D LIKE TO THINK IT HAS HIT HOME TO THEIR BRAINS)
"'mMMMMM YES U MAY HAVE A POINT HORNYBRUMCPLE........IT IS TRUE...U HAVE NO POWER...BUT I/WE DO...SO IT'S UP TO ME/US HERE AT SWINGHEAVEN 'HEADOFFICE' TO ORGANISE SUMTHING N TRY TO AT LEAST GIVE SOME CREDIBILITY...ALONG WITH THE OTHER WEBSITES WHO ARE 'WHEN ALL SAID N DONE' RIVALS IN THE SAME BUSINESS............
DONT U THINK MODS......IT'S TIME NOW FOLKS TO MAYBE PUT THESE 'RIVALRY'S TO ONE SIDE'....GET TOGETHER....N SHOW ...THAT U ARE SIMILAR TO MCKEE....AND THAT YOUR WILLING TO GET YA EAD ABOVE THE PARAPET
answers would be appreciated
why did u lock the thread earlier ...whoever did it ....did we hit 'raw nerves'???
How the hell can the mods be doing a great job in staving off whatever flak they are supposed to be under.....when ...they are seated so close to the very ppl who are making most of our lives miserable out here in the 'real world'.......
Once again...please...one of u respond to the request that we have stated/asked and politely !!!....
IF YA THAT CLOSE TO THOSE IN POWER......THEN IT'S TIME FOR U LOT TO PUT YOUR HEADS ABOVE PARAPETS N HELP THOSE OF US OUT HERE...WHO CAN'T/DON'T WANT TO ETC ETC BECAUSE WE HAVE EMPLOYMENT/FAMILIES ETC ETC TO PROTECT......
IS ANY ONE OF U...WITHIN YOUR LITTLE 'CLIQUE' PREPARED TO GET SOME KIND OF ORGANISED PETITION GOING...AND GET PROPER STATEMENTS FROM PPL LIKE SGT MCKEE...TO ALSO GO INTO THE NATIONAL PRESS AND GIVE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE TYPE OF STORY ????
How the hell can the mods be doing a great job in staving off whatever flak they are supposed to be under.....when ...they are seated so close to the very ppl who are making most of our lives miserable out here in the 'real world'.......
Once again...please...one of u respond to the request that we have stated/asked and politely !!!....
IF YA THAT CLOSE TO THOSE IN POWER......THEN IT'S TIME FOR U LOT TO PUT YOUR HEADS ABOVE PARAPETS N HELP THOSE OF US OUT HERE...WHO CAN'T/DON'T WANT TO ETC ETC BECAUSE WE HAVE EMPLOYMENT/FAMILIES ETC ETC TO PROTECT......
IS ANY ONE OF U...WITHIN YOUR LITTLE 'CLIQUE' PREPARED TO GET SOME KIND OF ORGANISED PETITION GOING...AND GET PROPER STATEMENTS FROM PPL LIKE SGT MCKEE...TO ALSO GO INTO THE NATIONAL PRESS AND GIVE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE TYPE OF STORY ????
W didn't see the 'previous thread' that u mention ...which gave ppl the opportunity....but...the way this thread has gone 2day...it has given us our chance to let u know ...hasn't it....
So...now u know our opinions onout...Mckees statement.......U also have it in wriiten text...that we find this site 'in general' a good one......However...
U also know...our opinion that
WE WERE SENT SPAM ...which is how we found out about the site (we already knew about Dirty daves n Swing2us...cos......john ere...used to be a swinger years ago with a previous partner...and was a member of both those ...swing2us especially as myself
my partner at the time...were the 3rd cple to ever advertisae on it)
and NOW U ALSO know our opinion.....we're very dismayed....and also at the same time 'frightened' to know...that....if some of u lot are so close to the force as u have made out today......it's now time for u lot...to start 'fighting for those of us....who are in a minority and can't do much about it...as we have no credibility....no power and also...have employment prospects and families to protect.......
those webmasters/mistresses ....again we ask....urge......U DO HAVE THE POWER......U DO HAVE CREDIBILITY ..;.NOW...IT IS TIME FOR U LOT...TO FIGHT FOR THOSE WHO DON'T...AS LETS FACE IT...WE'VE ALLUDED TO EARLIER...SOME OF THE 'SO-CALLED PPL IN THE 'KNOW' HAVE MADE/ARE MAKING A NICE BIT OF BUNCE OUT OF US AND OUR ACTIVITIES......IT IS A TWO WAY PROCESS........
So...now u know our opinions onout...Mckees statement.......U also have it in wriiten text...that we find this site 'in general' a good one......However...
U also know...our opinion that
WE WERE SENT SPAM ...which is how we found out about the site (we already knew about Dirty daves n Swing2us...cos......john ere...used to be a swinger years ago with a previous partner...and was a member of both those ...swing2us especially as myself
my partner at the time...were the 3rd cple to ever advertisae on it)
and NOW U ALSO know our opinion.....we're very dismayed....and also at the same time 'frightened' to know...that....if some of u lot are so close to the force as u have made out today......it's now time for u lot...to start 'fighting for those of us....who are in a minority and can't do much about it...as we have no credibility....no power and also...have employment prospects and families to protect.......
those webmasters/mistresses ....again we ask....urge......U DO HAVE THE POWER......U DO HAVE CREDIBILITY ..;.NOW...IT IS TIME FOR U LOT...TO FIGHT FOR THOSE WHO DON'T...AS LETS FACE IT...WE'VE ALLUDED TO EARLIER...SOME OF THE 'SO-CALLED PPL IN THE 'KNOW' HAVE MADE/ARE MAKING A NICE BIT OF BUNCE OUT OF US AND OUR ACTIVITIES......IT IS A TWO WAY PROCESS........
In response to the post that 'our original posting' wasn't written in 'nice ..grmmar and without the use of swearing' terms......
although both of us have higher education qualifications...we were....mature students and apologise to u profusely.......for using the terms that 'we grew up with on our estates'.... when angry !!!!
although both of us have higher education qualifications...we were....mature students and apologise to u profusely.......for using the terms that 'we grew up with on our estates'.... when angry !!!!
OK MARK...just re-read some of ya post...u say u now have it in writing and with his Ok to post his comments in the hope...one day that u can ....turn it around and hold him to it....
WELL MARK...2DAY/NITES THE NITE....THAT was actually how we thought ...things could get better (if u read of 'idea' we'd discussed betwen the 2 of us weeks ago...stated in earlier thread).......
IT'S NOW TIME TO TAKE HIS THOUGHTS TO TASK......BUT...WHILE YA DOING THAT...U HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO GO ALONG WITH HIM....(AND WHEN WE SAY 'U' WE DON'T JUST MEAN U PERSONALLY MARK.....
WE MEAN EVERYOTHER PERSON WHO DOES HAVE THE 'CONNECTIONS' WITHIN THE SCENE....WEBMASTERS/MISTRESSES.....ALONG WITH...'MINOR PORN CELEBS'
TODAY IS THE DAY U LOT GET TO BECOME REAL FAMOUS N EARN LOADS OF DOSH FROM INTERVIEWS N BEING ON PUBLIC TV ...AND FIGHT FOR THE MINORITY U REPRESENT
WELL MARK...2DAY/NITES THE NITE....THAT was actually how we thought ...things could get better (if u read of 'idea' we'd discussed betwen the 2 of us weeks ago...stated in earlier thread).......
IT'S NOW TIME TO TAKE HIS THOUGHTS TO TASK......BUT...WHILE YA DOING THAT...U HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO GO ALONG WITH HIM....(AND WHEN WE SAY 'U' WE DON'T JUST MEAN U PERSONALLY MARK.....
WE MEAN EVERYOTHER PERSON WHO DOES HAVE THE 'CONNECTIONS' WITHIN THE SCENE....WEBMASTERS/MISTRESSES.....ALONG WITH...'MINOR PORN CELEBS'
TODAY IS THE DAY U LOT GET TO BECOME REAL FAMOUS N EARN LOADS OF DOSH FROM INTERVIEWS N BEING ON PUBLIC TV ...AND FIGHT FOR THE MINORITY U REPRESENT
JAGS... please note.....
u can post as many times as u want....that the site doesn't or didn't send SPAM....and everytime u post this...we will always respond differently..........
DON'T TREAT US LIKE CUNTS N WE WON'T TREAT U LIKE ONE !!!
As previously stated....this is how we became members of 'what we thought...was a good site'........annd generally.....it is !!!
but on this posting thread that started today....surrounding 'Mckee/cop statement' in the 'dogging forum (originally) ....we couldn't careless how long it goes on....if most of us...has the time to keep posting threads........then cool......but....those of u out there...will not change our opinion on mckee ....
how ironic is it...that we dont post much ourselves...unless we have a strong point.....fuck sake u lot.......we were the cple who posted the last warning about 'plod' and its activities in the Valley..........however at that time.....little did we know...that one of the ppl who we thought would appreciate our postings....'has tiffin' with at least 1...
.n where there's one in this life...there always seems to be more...
now either one or 2 things can go on ere.....
we as a genuine cple could lose a few ppl who may have liked our profile and been interetsed in meeting...because of the 'strong opinion's we have outlined'....or...
u as a website may start losing a few also...cos....U've maybe 'scared a few' (us included)....cos we all now realise that plod has access to this site for definite...cos one of the masters of this site...has tiffin with him ........
Not very wise was it mark in the end....or maybe it was....U've had our reaction to it....
tell MR 'I've put my job n career on the line etc by chattin to a webmaster'.........Go The WHOLE HOG !!!!! ...lets face it...he's got more pwer at his dispoal...one chat with his senior n his senior will 'approve' won't he ....FUCK OFF WILL HE /SHE !!!!!!
u can post as many times as u want....that the site doesn't or didn't send SPAM....and everytime u post this...we will always respond differently..........
DON'T TREAT US LIKE CUNTS N WE WON'T TREAT U LIKE ONE !!!
As previously stated....this is how we became members of 'what we thought...was a good site'........annd generally.....it is !!!
but on this posting thread that started today....surrounding 'Mckee/cop statement' in the 'dogging forum (originally) ....we couldn't careless how long it goes on....if most of us...has the time to keep posting threads........then cool......but....those of u out there...will not change our opinion on mckee ....
how ironic is it...that we dont post much ourselves...unless we have a strong point.....fuck sake u lot.......we were the cple who posted the last warning about 'plod' and its activities in the Valley..........however at that time.....little did we know...that one of the ppl who we thought would appreciate our postings....'has tiffin' with at least 1...
.n where there's one in this life...there always seems to be more...
now either one or 2 things can go on ere.....
we as a genuine cple could lose a few ppl who may have liked our profile and been interetsed in meeting...because of the 'strong opinion's we have outlined'....or...
u as a website may start losing a few also...cos....U've maybe 'scared a few' (us included)....cos we all now realise that plod has access to this site for definite...cos one of the masters of this site...has tiffin with him ........
Not very wise was it mark in the end....or maybe it was....U've had our reaction to it....
tell MR 'I've put my job n career on the line etc by chattin to a webmaster'.........Go The WHOLE HOG !!!!! ...lets face it...he's got more pwer at his dispoal...one chat with his senior n his senior will 'approve' won't he ....FUCK OFF WILL HE /SHE !!!!!!
MARK....THEN WHY DID U POST IT...DID U THINK NO-ONE WOULD REACT TO IT ????
PLEASE M8...N THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE SARCASTIC OR HAVING A POP.......WE ALWAYS THOUGHT U WERE INTELLIGENT...ESPECIALLY AS U ARE PRETTY GOOD WITH TECHNO STUFF ETC ETC......
SO COME ON M8...AT LEAST HAVE A THE BOL-- LOCKS TO ADMIT THAT 'SUBCONSCIOUSLY U'RE POSTING WAS MEANT TO GAIN A REACTION FROM US 'MORTALS' DOWN ERE...WHO KNOW FUCK ALL ABOUT 'TECHNO' WEBSITES ...
HOWEVER ...RESPECT TO U M8...COS IN A WAY WE ARE CHUFFED U POSTED IT...AS IT'S BETTER TO KNOW...THAT U 'HAVE TIFFIN WITH THE ENEMY'.....THAN NOT TO KNOW.........AND WONDER...'WHERE BIG BROTHER' HAVE GOT OUR EMAIL ADDYS AND INSIGHTS INTO OUR PRIVATE LIVES ...FROM !!!!
NOW...U CAN TAKE IT PERSONALLY IF U WANT...THAT STATEMENT COULD BE TAKEN AS AN ACCUSATION............U CAN TAKE IT 'ANY WAY U SEEM FIT'...........BUT FOR FUCK SAKE........
IF U HAVE 'CONTACT' WITH 1 (OR MAYBE MORE) .............THEN WE FEEL.....THAT GENUINE SWINGERS WITHIN U'RE WEBSITE WHO HAVE NOT 'OUTTED THEMSELVES ' SEXUALLY TO THE WORLD................HAVE A LOT TO FEAR FROM BEING MEMBERS OF THIS SITE .......
WOTS THE POINT NOW THO OF US ..LEAVING THIS SITE...TO 'PROTECT OUR SEXUAL DIVERSITY'.......WHEN U HAVE TIFFIN WITH THE PPL...WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO AVOID AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME...COS ALL THEY EVER SEM TO WANT TO DO...IS PULL OUR CAR OVER...HASSLE US...N USE THE EXCUSE THAT 'THEY ARE CHECKING DOCUMENTS ETC ETC..BALD TYRES.....WHEN LETS FACE IT M8....WE ALL FUCKIN KNOW THAT...THEY ARE 'TAKING NOTE OF OUR REG...N MAKING SURE ...IT DOESN'T ...DRIVE AND BE SEEN TOO MUCH...DOWN THE VALLEY OR ANYOTHER PLACE WE MAY VISIT !!!!
YOUR OPINION PLEASE|??????
PLEASE M8...N THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE SARCASTIC OR HAVING A POP.......WE ALWAYS THOUGHT U WERE INTELLIGENT...ESPECIALLY AS U ARE PRETTY GOOD WITH TECHNO STUFF ETC ETC......
SO COME ON M8...AT LEAST HAVE A THE BOL-- LOCKS TO ADMIT THAT 'SUBCONSCIOUSLY U'RE POSTING WAS MEANT TO GAIN A REACTION FROM US 'MORTALS' DOWN ERE...WHO KNOW FUCK ALL ABOUT 'TECHNO' WEBSITES ...
HOWEVER ...RESPECT TO U M8...COS IN A WAY WE ARE CHUFFED U POSTED IT...AS IT'S BETTER TO KNOW...THAT U 'HAVE TIFFIN WITH THE ENEMY'.....THAN NOT TO KNOW.........AND WONDER...'WHERE BIG BROTHER' HAVE GOT OUR EMAIL ADDYS AND INSIGHTS INTO OUR PRIVATE LIVES ...FROM !!!!
NOW...U CAN TAKE IT PERSONALLY IF U WANT...THAT STATEMENT COULD BE TAKEN AS AN ACCUSATION............U CAN TAKE IT 'ANY WAY U SEEM FIT'...........BUT FOR FUCK SAKE........
IF U HAVE 'CONTACT' WITH 1 (OR MAYBE MORE) .............THEN WE FEEL.....THAT GENUINE SWINGERS WITHIN U'RE WEBSITE WHO HAVE NOT 'OUTTED THEMSELVES ' SEXUALLY TO THE WORLD................HAVE A LOT TO FEAR FROM BEING MEMBERS OF THIS SITE .......
WOTS THE POINT NOW THO OF US ..LEAVING THIS SITE...TO 'PROTECT OUR SEXUAL DIVERSITY'.......WHEN U HAVE TIFFIN WITH THE PPL...WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO AVOID AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME...COS ALL THEY EVER SEM TO WANT TO DO...IS PULL OUR CAR OVER...HASSLE US...N USE THE EXCUSE THAT 'THEY ARE CHECKING DOCUMENTS ETC ETC..BALD TYRES.....WHEN LETS FACE IT M8....WE ALL FUCKIN KNOW THAT...THEY ARE 'TAKING NOTE OF OUR REG...N MAKING SURE ...IT DOESN'T ...DRIVE AND BE SEEN TOO MUCH...DOWN THE VALLEY OR ANYOTHER PLACE WE MAY VISIT !!!!
YOUR OPINION PLEASE|??????
jags ...we'd never heard of swingheaven until a spam from the site came thru ...now...yes..we were slightly annyed with one of the other 2 sites we use ..as ....we got a feeling one of them may have 'swapped/sold'...whatever...our email address.......
we then came here...n was very very chuffed to find a site with 'intellectuals' not only ruuning it...but also posting...however.......lets be frank ere.......
we've read with interest in the last cple of months....many of the 'sarcastic responses' some of the 'master/mistresses' (yourself being one)...........along with some of those that we have realised are in the 'clique'............to other postings.........it seems some of those 'intellectual' ppl....are all too ready to 'pigeon hole' n label them as being 'wasters etc......
now....this thread set out to put a point of view opposing the boys in blue n their supposed... light hearted .'geture'........not a 'divide and rule' thread....wghcih u lot seem to have done with it..........
As said earlier....we wont FUCK OFF el;sewhere as ...the site...generally is cool.....but....don't PAINT YOURSELVES TO BE ABOVE ANY OF US 'MERE MORTALS WHO HAVEN'T THE POWER..OR HAVEN'T OUTTED OURSELVES DUE TO JOBS /FAMILIES ETC ETC
we then came here...n was very very chuffed to find a site with 'intellectuals' not only ruuning it...but also posting...however.......lets be frank ere.......
we've read with interest in the last cple of months....many of the 'sarcastic responses' some of the 'master/mistresses' (yourself being one)...........along with some of those that we have realised are in the 'clique'............to other postings.........it seems some of those 'intellectual' ppl....are all too ready to 'pigeon hole' n label them as being 'wasters etc......
now....this thread set out to put a point of view opposing the boys in blue n their supposed... light hearted .'geture'........not a 'divide and rule' thread....wghcih u lot seem to have done with it..........
As said earlier....we wont FUCK OFF el;sewhere as ...the site...generally is cool.....but....don't PAINT YOURSELVES TO BE ABOVE ANY OF US 'MERE MORTALS WHO HAVEN'T THE POWER..OR HAVEN'T OUTTED OURSELVES DUE TO JOBS /FAMILIES ETC ETC
the only person/ppls we thought we'd 'annoy' by our original posting...was the boys in blue who have their types of system....also...maybe...members of the gutter press.....who u lot we're SLAGGING OFF...just a cple of days ago...when the Stan story hit headlines........
Oh what a difference a day makes
we still stand by everything posted...as i'm sure u lot will also....but don't ever try n paint yourselves 'whiter than white' (pardon the pun)....becoause u run websites and have the power over those who use your website........
Oh what a difference a day makes
we still stand by everything posted...as i'm sure u lot will also....but don't ever try n paint yourselves 'whiter than white' (pardon the pun)....becoause u run websites and have the power over those who use your website........
FFS Mark...c'mon mate...we've been debatin this alll fuckin day n u can't see ..how many times do we have to type....we are in a minority...who have no power....(due to employment issues etc etc being raised)...however...those ppl that do have the power...who we outlined earlier....shall we name again ...webmasters/mistresses of all the 'most popular sites' (prob your 're one of them)...plus a few of the 'mior porn celebs'.....CAN ONLY DO IT !!!!
....much respect to yourself .cos they or you have 'outted ' their/your own sexual diversity to the world ages ago...but...in doing so..have made a bunce !!!
who have we annoyed ?????
....much respect to yourself .cos they or you have 'outted ' their/your own sexual diversity to the world ages ago...but...in doing so..have made a bunce !!!
who have we annoyed ?????
we're actually more concerned as swingers...that a web'master' seems to be sittin having 'tiffin' with one of those...
Who he or his peers chose to warn us all about a few days ago that 'the police were watching us in the forums'........see another thread/sticky......
and what makes this more of a fuckin joke..
a lot of the very same...we're slagging the cops off themselves !!!!!! Fuckin 'ell....we only outlined the hypocritical force earlier......but now ...when examined more carefully.....the website is being swamped (run by) 'hypocrits ' or is it ????
u are correct about us 'stereotyping' the cop in question....but if he wants to break this image he should put his head above the big parapet........as mentioned earlier...
and for the previous person...who told us basically to 'Fuck off elsewhere'......we were actually invited to this website by the ppl who control it via what is known as a 'SPAM email'............now...it seems just becos we gave our opinion ...which is different to them..........they want us FUCK OFF !!!!!
Who he or his peers chose to warn us all about a few days ago that 'the police were watching us in the forums'........see another thread/sticky......
and what makes this more of a fuckin joke..
a lot of the very same...we're slagging the cops off themselves !!!!!! Fuckin 'ell....we only outlined the hypocritical force earlier......but now ...when examined more carefully.....the website is being swamped (run by) 'hypocrits ' or is it ????
u are correct about us 'stereotyping' the cop in question....but if he wants to break this image he should put his head above the big parapet........as mentioned earlier...
and for the previous person...who told us basically to 'Fuck off elsewhere'......we were actually invited to this website by the ppl who control it via what is known as a 'SPAM email'............now...it seems just becos we gave our opinion ...which is different to them..........they want us FUCK OFF !!!!!
we asked /stated in...this forum postin' earlier.......
Would Sgt Mckee..now .'stick his head above the parapet' and go to the big 'journo's and point out his very 'liberal' views????? (Maybe this is sumthing mark could ask him...as mark is a representitive of us as a minority...)
if he would...then at least us sexually diverse human beings may get a bit of decent publicity...however...I'm (as this is john typing...fayes nipped down the chippy LOL) sure he would be 'hauled over the coals n lose his job !!!!
Now we're sorry our 'first posting has upset some of u...cos u think..." U have good relations with cops"......but....from where we sit (along with a good silent majority of genuine swingers/doggers etc or anyother type of minority thats been 'stereotyped)
WE DON'T !!!!
Mark 'posted' the original statement...to get other ppl's opinions....we gave u ours !!!!
We're sorry (or maybe dismayed) if some of u...actuallyfeel.....One email/fone chat to a 'minority swing website is 'sticking a head above the parapet'...but....WE DON'T...sticking his head above the parapet...would be to go public himself to the 'mass press' ...along with...all the aforementioned ppl who have more power at their disposal (webmasters/mistresses who have used the media to 'promote themselves in the past...)..........There's the solution
PS We didn't 'attack' HarryO....I'm sure (if u backtrack the thread) we 'attacked' Mckees statement that Mark posted........the next posting was harryO...attacking our opinion...which is cool...but do not ever think...we will not engage in a debate.....just cos we don't agree with your methods of staying on the right side of the force !!!!
Wots the point in his gestures....if he ain't prepared to go the whole hog........then he may get repsect from us minority swingers etc etc...however...he'd be looking for a new job we feel
Would Sgt Mckee..now .'stick his head above the parapet' and go to the big 'journo's and point out his very 'liberal' views????? (Maybe this is sumthing mark could ask him...as mark is a representitive of us as a minority...)
if he would...then at least us sexually diverse human beings may get a bit of decent publicity...however...I'm (as this is john typing...fayes nipped down the chippy LOL) sure he would be 'hauled over the coals n lose his job !!!!
Now we're sorry our 'first posting has upset some of u...cos u think..." U have good relations with cops"......but....from where we sit (along with a good silent majority of genuine swingers/doggers etc or anyother type of minority thats been 'stereotyped)
WE DON'T !!!!
Mark 'posted' the original statement...to get other ppl's opinions....we gave u ours !!!!
We're sorry (or maybe dismayed) if some of u...actuallyfeel.....One email/fone chat to a 'minority swing website is 'sticking a head above the parapet'...but....WE DON'T...sticking his head above the parapet...would be to go public himself to the 'mass press' ...along with...all the aforementioned ppl who have more power at their disposal (webmasters/mistresses who have used the media to 'promote themselves in the past...)..........There's the solution
PS We didn't 'attack' HarryO....I'm sure (if u backtrack the thread) we 'attacked' Mckees statement that Mark posted........the next posting was harryO...attacking our opinion...which is cool...but do not ever think...we will not engage in a debate.....just cos we don't agree with your methods of staying on the right side of the force !!!!
Wots the point in his gestures....if he ain't prepared to go the whole hog........then he may get repsect from us minority swingers etc etc...however...he'd be looking for a new job we feel
Do u really think those in power ...listen to the voices of 'minorities' ????
we had an idea a fair few weeks ago.....when...we started to notice 'how the dogging scene' was being 'swamped'..........
The only ppl at this given moment within this country who have any 'credibility' within the 'swingscene'.......are....the ppl who got this site and the others such as 'Dirty Davids/Swing2US/ etc etc (to name the most famous..........because 'much respect to these ppl....who have 'outted their own' sexual diversity to 'all n sundry'...but also...make a nice bit of profit out of it...... (they might not make millinons etc etc...but lets face it.....Would u...within this capitalist system we live in.....do all the hard work it takes to get a decent website up n running......FOR NOWT ???)
SO...THUS...those webmaster/mistresses...we have mentioned along with other types of ppl 'within the 'scene'...like 'Steve Perry' (Bendover as we all know him)...Omar (the famous porn guy with the big cock) etc etc..............
Should now start gettin' together n making themselves 'heard' within the press...to at least 'speak out...for the minority of ppl...who they have 'lets face it....made 'quie a bit of bunce' out of...by 'sellin' their products' in wotever way they do.....whether movies that ppl buy..or websites that ppl 'pay to join' etc etc
harryO...u again in your response seem to think 'we' are 'moaning'....as stated in our second message 'Who's moaning' ??? .
Furthermore.....
U're response 'about u believing in law n order'..... was that a veiled attempt at asking us 'Do we believe in law and order' ???? Because ...like u...WE DO .....
However...we don't 'believe everything thats written by ppl like McKee because .....when u've grown up for 30 ish years of seeing 'police' tactics.....ermmmm evidence....ooo quick..we need evidence to back this up...........Miners strikes '84/85/86.....race riots..81/82 instigated by poverty/deprivation such as NF/BNP/police.. ....hippy/travellers/communes (including mothers holding babies in their arms) battered' with trunceons...gays ostracized since the year 'dot' (fairplay to george micheal.....at least he turned the table on the 'hypocritics' ) All .skinheads (of which i...John... am one myself) being portrayed in the mass media as 'thugs n yobs' when actually it was the NF /BNP that took the 'skinhead image' n turned it around....lets face it 'the majority of skinheads are 'anti-racist' with their musical roots being firmly embedded in a cross between 'white working class'...and influenced by jamaican black reggae' ....or that all irish ppl are cunts/terrorists etc etc...when actually the real 'terrorist' is the Brit system which has systematically ' n pillaged' every possible 'capitalist resouce' from India (tea/spices/silks) and Pakistan....South America etc...(coffee bean)...South Africa (diamonds)...Wales (coal)....Scotland/Ireland/Australia/New Zealand (cattle/farming) ............also not really personally a fan of the USA system....but at least 'fair play' to those 200 ish years ago...Who fought back n managed to gain back the 'independence' of their own country !!!
So HarryO
U see the evidence before u above....
Do u still think we're' moaning'...or maybe do u now see....it was a 'retaliation on Mckees system and the ppl/peers...he represents ?????
we had an idea a fair few weeks ago.....when...we started to notice 'how the dogging scene' was being 'swamped'..........
The only ppl at this given moment within this country who have any 'credibility' within the 'swingscene'.......are....the ppl who got this site and the others such as 'Dirty Davids/Swing2US/ etc etc (to name the most famous..........because 'much respect to these ppl....who have 'outted their own' sexual diversity to 'all n sundry'...but also...make a nice bit of profit out of it...... (they might not make millinons etc etc...but lets face it.....Would u...within this capitalist system we live in.....do all the hard work it takes to get a decent website up n running......FOR NOWT ???)
SO...THUS...those webmaster/mistresses...we have mentioned along with other types of ppl 'within the 'scene'...like 'Steve Perry' (Bendover as we all know him)...Omar (the famous porn guy with the big cock) etc etc..............
Should now start gettin' together n making themselves 'heard' within the press...to at least 'speak out...for the minority of ppl...who they have 'lets face it....made 'quie a bit of bunce' out of...by 'sellin' their products' in wotever way they do.....whether movies that ppl buy..or websites that ppl 'pay to join' etc etc
harryO...u again in your response seem to think 'we' are 'moaning'....as stated in our second message 'Who's moaning' ??? .
Furthermore.....
U're response 'about u believing in law n order'..... was that a veiled attempt at asking us 'Do we believe in law and order' ???? Because ...like u...WE DO .....
However...we don't 'believe everything thats written by ppl like McKee because .....when u've grown up for 30 ish years of seeing 'police' tactics.....ermmmm evidence....ooo quick..we need evidence to back this up...........Miners strikes '84/85/86.....race riots..81/82 instigated by poverty/deprivation such as NF/BNP/police.. ....hippy/travellers/communes (including mothers holding babies in their arms) battered' with trunceons...gays ostracized since the year 'dot' (fairplay to george micheal.....at least he turned the table on the 'hypocritics' ) All .skinheads (of which i...John... am one myself) being portrayed in the mass media as 'thugs n yobs' when actually it was the NF /BNP that took the 'skinhead image' n turned it around....lets face it 'the majority of skinheads are 'anti-racist' with their musical roots being firmly embedded in a cross between 'white working class'...and influenced by jamaican black reggae' ....or that all irish ppl are cunts/terrorists etc etc...when actually the real 'terrorist' is the Brit system which has systematically ' n pillaged' every possible 'capitalist resouce' from India (tea/spices/silks) and Pakistan....South America etc...(coffee bean)...South Africa (diamonds)...Wales (coal)....Scotland/Ireland/Australia/New Zealand (cattle/farming) ............also not really personally a fan of the USA system....but at least 'fair play' to those 200 ish years ago...Who fought back n managed to gain back the 'independence' of their own country !!!
So HarryO
U see the evidence before u above....
Do u still think we're' moaning'...or maybe do u now see....it was a 'retaliation on Mckees system and the ppl/peers...he represents ?????
Wonders .............'Who pulls your strings' HarryO ???
Fair play to ya m8...for 'outting' yaself....at least 'we know' 'whose side of the fence u sit on' !!!!!
PS...it wasn't a 'whinge'...it was an opposing view to his 'middle class 'we'll tell em one thing (cos they're so fucking thick to realise)' type of hypocritical attitude....however...WE'RE NOT THICK ...WE ARE FULLY CONSCIOUS AND AWAKE !!!!! .
We're sure the 'real crime' that we outlined.......happens everywhere throughout this country....(backtrack most of the forum posts in ere over the last 6 months n u'll see others opinions)..........YET........police are crawling everywhere on known dogging sites ....but....the reality is...that most of the real hard crime is going on in other areas.........while they patrol' n 'condemn' others for having a 'diverse' sexual attitude to
life.
Wonders If Mr Mckee would send his 'kind and caring' thoughts on 'doggers/dogging/swinging/gay sex/BDSM etc etc etc etc ........to The Sun and The NOTW and The Mirror/Guardian/Times etc etc etc...instead of emailing Mark ....which lets face it in 'media terms' .....only reaches....such a small minority within the country as a whole
Fair play to ya m8...for 'outting' yaself....at least 'we know' 'whose side of the fence u sit on' !!!!!
PS...it wasn't a 'whinge'...it was an opposing view to his 'middle class 'we'll tell em one thing (cos they're so fucking thick to realise)' type of hypocritical attitude....however...WE'RE NOT THICK ...WE ARE FULLY CONSCIOUS AND AWAKE !!!!! .
We're sure the 'real crime' that we outlined.......happens everywhere throughout this country....(backtrack most of the forum posts in ere over the last 6 months n u'll see others opinions)..........YET........police are crawling everywhere on known dogging sites ....but....the reality is...that most of the real hard crime is going on in other areas.........while they patrol' n 'condemn' others for having a 'diverse' sexual attitude to
life.
Wonders If Mr Mckee would send his 'kind and caring' thoughts on 'doggers/dogging/swinging/gay sex/BDSM etc etc etc etc ........to The Sun and The NOTW and The Mirror/Guardian/Times etc etc etc...instead of emailing Mark ....which lets face it in 'media terms' .....only reaches....such a small minority within the country as a whole
Why does it take...2 mins for a jam sandwich car .....to be called for 'back up' (from i'ts plain clothed colleague) ...when they saw a 'cple' (us) pull into Sandwell Valley (West Mids) last Sunday nite.....at about 11pm
yet it takes a jam sandwich..........
3 hours n 14 mins (to be precise)..when my partners brother was being kicked to shit by an 'anti-social neighbour' and 2 'henchmen'....... 3 weeks ago....or
approx 5 hours to get to pensioner's home after she was assaulted by a burglar (a lady from our estate)
or....
not far from Sandwell Valley at the moment....in areas such as Aston/Newtown/Handsworth (B'ham)......they are shooting eachother for fun.......with the underlying element ..drugs..such as 'crack/cocaine n heroin' being the cause.....yet....a response car is nowhere to be seen...when this happens !!!!
Thats because .....the 'real facist ...2faced cunts within this society'......would rather ....be 'pickin up 'easier targets'...like unarmed doggers and also take out their 'homophobic' ideologies on those guys who are doing nowt wrong down in The Valley ...Instead of dealing with the hard crime and also having to face the 'untrusting local communtiies'.... who've had to put up with the so called 'caring bobbies' and their 'racist' ideology...for years !!!!!!
u lot have been debatin all week about 'not trusting the 'authorities....such as 'media/police etc etc.........
Ask 'Sgt Mckee' ....WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE LISTEN TO HIS SHITE. ???
yet it takes a jam sandwich..........
3 hours n 14 mins (to be precise)..when my partners brother was being kicked to shit by an 'anti-social neighbour' and 2 'henchmen'....... 3 weeks ago....or
approx 5 hours to get to pensioner's home after she was assaulted by a burglar (a lady from our estate)
or....
not far from Sandwell Valley at the moment....in areas such as Aston/Newtown/Handsworth (B'ham)......they are shooting eachother for fun.......with the underlying element ..drugs..such as 'crack/cocaine n heroin' being the cause.....yet....a response car is nowhere to be seen...when this happens !!!!
Thats because .....the 'real facist ...2faced cunts within this society'......would rather ....be 'pickin up 'easier targets'...like unarmed doggers and also take out their 'homophobic' ideologies on those guys who are doing nowt wrong down in The Valley ...Instead of dealing with the hard crime and also having to face the 'untrusting local communtiies'.... who've had to put up with the so called 'caring bobbies' and their 'racist' ideology...for years !!!!!!
u lot have been debatin all week about 'not trusting the 'authorities....such as 'media/police etc etc.........
Ask 'Sgt Mckee' ....WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE LISTEN TO HIS SHITE. ???
We seek a cple/single fem or single guy (We dont usually seek guys..but ...2NITE is one of those 'spontaneous' nites...)
ALTHO WE ARE A BIT OF A KINKY CPLE BETWEEN OURSELVES....WE CAN BE HAPPY WITH ANY TYPE OF SCENARIO..ALL BOUNDARIES N WISHES WILL BE ADHERED TO...AND SOFT SWING IS ALSO AN OPTION WE ARE HAPPY WITH
CPLES/FEMS...WE CAN ACCOM OR TRAVEL
SINGLE GUYS..WE WILL ONLY TRAVEL TO U'RES
Brum/West Mids....Wolves/Dudley/West Brom/Kidderminster/Halesowen/Coventry ETC ETC
ALTHO WE ARE A BIT OF A KINKY CPLE BETWEEN OURSELVES....WE CAN BE HAPPY WITH ANY TYPE OF SCENARIO..ALL BOUNDARIES N WISHES WILL BE ADHERED TO...AND SOFT SWING IS ALSO AN OPTION WE ARE HAPPY WITH
CPLES/FEMS...WE CAN ACCOM OR TRAVEL
SINGLE GUYS..WE WILL ONLY TRAVEL TO U'RES
Brum/West Mids....Wolves/Dudley/West Brom/Kidderminster/Halesowen/Coventry ETC ETC
LYRICS.....
"GET UP STAND UP....STAND UP FOR YA RIGHTS...GET UP STAND UP...DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT....." (MARLEY)
"GOD SAVE THE QUEEN...THE FACIST REGIME......THERE IS NO FUTURE..IN ENGLANDS DREAM !!!" (PISTOLS)
"THIS TOWN...IS COMING LIKE A GHOST TOWN....WHY MUST THE YOUTH FIGHT AGAINST THEMSELVES...GOVERNMENT LEAVING THE YOUTH ON THE SHELF " (SPECIALS)
"STAND DOWN MARGARET ..STAND DOWN PLEASE...STAND DOWN MARGARET !!!" (THE BEAT)
"A POLICE CAR 'N' A SCREAMING SIREN..PNEUMATIC DRILL 'N' RIPPED UP CONCRETE...A BABY WAILING...A STRAY DOG HOWLING..THE SCREECH OF BRAKES 'N' LAMP LIES BLINKING.....THATS ENTERTAINMENT...THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT" (THE JAM)
MOST PLAYED TUNES IN DIS YARD.....
"MANY RIVERS TO CROSS....." (JIMMY CLIFF/UB40)
"LONG SHOT KICK DE BUCKET"(PIONEERS/SPECIALS)
"SKINHEAD MOONSTOMP" (SYMARIP/SPECIALS)
"TOO MUCH TOO YOUNG" (SPECIALS)
"ONE STEP BEYOND" (MADNESS)
"NIGHT BOAT TO CAIRO" (MADNESS)
"POLICE AND THIEVES" (JUNIOR MARVIN/THE CLASH)
"NIGHT NURSE" (GREGORY ISSACS)
"SILLY GAMES" (JANET KAY)
"MONEY IN MY POCKET-12' VERSION" (DENNIS BROWN)
"LIVING ON THE FRONTLINE" (EDDY GRANT)
"HELP ME MAKE IT THROUGHT THE NIGHT" (JOHN HOLT)
N THERE'S MANY MANY MORE...CALL JOHN AN 'OLD SKOOLA" !! lol
"GET UP STAND UP....STAND UP FOR YA RIGHTS...GET UP STAND UP...DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT....." (MARLEY)
"GOD SAVE THE QUEEN...THE FACIST REGIME......THERE IS NO FUTURE..IN ENGLANDS DREAM !!!" (PISTOLS)
"THIS TOWN...IS COMING LIKE A GHOST TOWN....WHY MUST THE YOUTH FIGHT AGAINST THEMSELVES...GOVERNMENT LEAVING THE YOUTH ON THE SHELF " (SPECIALS)
"STAND DOWN MARGARET ..STAND DOWN PLEASE...STAND DOWN MARGARET !!!" (THE BEAT)
"A POLICE CAR 'N' A SCREAMING SIREN..PNEUMATIC DRILL 'N' RIPPED UP CONCRETE...A BABY WAILING...A STRAY DOG HOWLING..THE SCREECH OF BRAKES 'N' LAMP LIES BLINKING.....THATS ENTERTAINMENT...THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT" (THE JAM)
MOST PLAYED TUNES IN DIS YARD.....
"MANY RIVERS TO CROSS....." (JIMMY CLIFF/UB40)
"LONG SHOT KICK DE BUCKET"(PIONEERS/SPECIALS)
"SKINHEAD MOONSTOMP" (SYMARIP/SPECIALS)
"TOO MUCH TOO YOUNG" (SPECIALS)
"ONE STEP BEYOND" (MADNESS)
"NIGHT BOAT TO CAIRO" (MADNESS)
"POLICE AND THIEVES" (JUNIOR MARVIN/THE CLASH)
"NIGHT NURSE" (GREGORY ISSACS)
"SILLY GAMES" (JANET KAY)
"MONEY IN MY POCKET-12' VERSION" (DENNIS BROWN)
"LIVING ON THE FRONTLINE" (EDDY GRANT)
"HELP ME MAKE IT THROUGHT THE NIGHT" (JOHN HOLT)
N THERE'S MANY MANY MORE...CALL JOHN AN 'OLD SKOOLA" !! lol
Sandwell Valley ..West Bromwich .Thursday 5th
Swamped by ..plain clothes ...unmarked cops (out with torches ) and full beam headlights parked up at 'golf course' car park entrance.....this was about pm.....the car park at Swan Pool further down was being kept an eye on by 'flying pigs' and jam sandwich cars were patrolling also....
We left and went elsewhere ....having found ourselves a little fun into the early hours...we had to by-pass Sandwell again to get home.....at am...they were still 'swarming' !!!!
Looks like it's days are numbered....just thought fellow likeminded ought to know and beware
Swamped by ..plain clothes ...unmarked cops (out with torches ) and full beam headlights parked up at 'golf course' car park entrance.....this was about pm.....the car park at Swan Pool further down was being kept an eye on by 'flying pigs' and jam sandwich cars were patrolling also....
We left and went elsewhere ....having found ourselves a little fun into the early hours...we had to by-pass Sandwell again to get home.....at am...they were still 'swarming' !!!!
Looks like it's days are numbered....just thought fellow likeminded ought to know and beware
Sandwell Valley ..West Bromwich .Thursday 5th
Swamped by ..plain clothes ...unmarked cops (out with torches ) and full beam headlights parked up at 'golf course' car park entrance.....this was about pm.....the car park at Swan Pool further down was being kept an eye on by 'flying pigs' and jam sandwich cars were patrolling also....
We left and went elsewhere ....having found ourselves a little fun into the early hours...we had to by-pass Sandwell again to get home.....at am...they were still 'swarming' !!!!
Looks like it's days are numbered....just thought fellow likeminded ought to know and beware
XXXXXXXX
Swamped by ..plain clothes ...unmarked cops (out with torches ) and full beam headlights parked up at 'golf course' car park entrance.....this was about pm.....the car park at Swan Pool further down was being kept an eye on by 'flying pigs' and jam sandwich cars were patrolling also....
We left and went elsewhere ....having found ourselves a little fun into the early hours...we had to by-pass Sandwell again to get home.....at am...they were still 'swarming' !!!!
Looks like it's days are numbered....just thought fellow likeminded ought to know and beware
XXXXXXXX
hi all..
John ere.....
48 Crash - Suzi Quatro.....50p Woolies Birmingham New Street.....considering this is a good ol' rock number.....and for the rest of my days I've been into the 'reggae/skin/2tone/punk/mod scene' ...still fink it's a fuckin top tune...n wasn't she fuckin' fit in them black leathers......
But then along came Debbie Harry...and so...from my first record......to my first wank !!!
(Is this a new thread ?? LOL)
xxxxx john (n faye in spirit) xxx
John ere.....
48 Crash - Suzi Quatro.....50p Woolies Birmingham New Street.....considering this is a good ol' rock number.....and for the rest of my days I've been into the 'reggae/skin/2tone/punk/mod scene' ...still fink it's a fuckin top tune...n wasn't she fuckin' fit in them black leathers......
But then along came Debbie Harry...and so...from my first record......to my first wank !!!
(Is this a new thread ?? LOL)
xxxxx john (n faye in spirit) xxx
We dont usually seek guys..but ...2day is one of those 'spontaneous' days...
We seek a cple/fem or guy...who can accom...Brum/West Mids....Wolves/Dudley/West Brom/Kidderminster/Halesowen etc etc types of areas...not Cov type areas ..as we have to be in Kidderminster later tonite to pick sum 'blue tabs' up from a friend......so...if we can get sum fun this afternoon...b great if we don't have to go to far out of our planned journey
John n Faye
PS...we're not going dogging ..have u seen the weather..hoping 4 indoor fun
We seek a cple/fem or guy...who can accom...Brum/West Mids....Wolves/Dudley/West Brom/Kidderminster/Halesowen etc etc types of areas...not Cov type areas ..as we have to be in Kidderminster later tonite to pick sum 'blue tabs' up from a friend......so...if we can get sum fun this afternoon...b great if we don't have to go to far out of our planned journey
John n Faye
PS...we're not going dogging ..have u seen the weather..hoping 4 indoor fun
