OK, points taken on board.
So how about a little role play. Imagine a car with a couple in it, The lights are on and the hormones are flowing. They don't care who or how many are outside.
But you are one of those guys outside, along with 6 others. Another car pulls up. Out come 3 yoofs in their late teens, or early 20's, hoods up, and head towards the car. One of them pulls out the camera phone. You ask him nicely to put it away. He ignores you. You raise your voice to make sure youare heard, and ask nicely again. You get ignored again. You tell him in no uncertain terms a 3rd time, and not a blind bit of notice is taken....
...over to you. What would you have done?
A few ground rules...
1. You are on your own
2. There are 3 of them
3. You can't rely on the other people there because everyone is a stranger to everyone else
4. You want to preserve the car park as a place for couples to come without fear of it getting a bad name for this kind of unwanted activity.
5. Positive responses only please. What you WOULD have done, not a list of things you wouldn't have done.
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Quote by sarahend
hi there
what are the best times for dogging in the winter as im new to it.
thanks alot
sarah
I suggest that the best times are when it suits YOU.
Don't become a slave to the game or it will lose its fun element. (You'd be surprised how many people seem to have forgotten that aspect and seem to "live" in car parks)
Casanova
Quote by 34fun
liberty takers - you should carry a rule book for them to read as well as the kleenex !
there again they probably would not know how to open a book never mind read one.
184 people have seen this thread, and 13 have voiced an opinion in the poll.
So that makes a nonsense of where the site says 184 "views" because 171 people out of 184 don't have a view, or are incapable of, or unwilling to express a view. Wow, checking a box and pressing a button must be sooooo difficult.
Sorry, still in angry mode after last night and a day in the office. Time to crack open a tinnie and chill out I think...
BTW thanks to those who have replied. At least now I don't feel like I did the wrong thing.
Casanova
Just had a barney with some kids who thought that a show that everyone else was being "respectful" to was a great photo opportunity. It's not often that I get upset, but when some yoof in a hoodie, (who him and his 2 or more mates have taken to dogging since it became "hip") ignores 3 requests to put his cameraphone away, then I'm sorry, but I have to act. I WILL NOT stand for a camera to be within 100 yards of me in this game.
I had a go at ripping the phone out of his hands, but was stopped by him and his 2 mates, and in the end other doggers had to get between us. His phone never came out of his pocket again after that, but the lack of support from the other guys there made me think, was I in the wrong, and is photographing a couple putting on a show (without them knowing anything about it) what this game has come to now?
What do you think? Should there be "honour amongst theives" and some respect for the "privacy" of couples be self regulated in the spirit of what goes on, on the car park, stays on the car park, or should we all roll up with our zero lux cameras and camcorders, and record everything that we see now?
Was I in the right or in the wrong to take action?
It'll be interesting to hear your opinions.
BTW, if anyone does want to be filmed or photographed in the Birmingham area, look out for a silver Vectra, with blackened out rear windows. I'm sure that the (usually 3) lads in there won't let you down.
I had a go at ripping the phone out of his hands, but was stopped by him and his 2 mates, and in the end other doggers had to get between us. His phone never came out of his pocket again after that, but the lack of support from the other guys there made me think, was I in the wrong, and is photographing a couple putting on a show (without them knowing anything about it) what this game has come to now?
What do you think? Should there be "honour amongst theives" and some respect for the "privacy" of couples be self regulated in the spirit of what goes on, on the car park, stays on the car park, or should we all roll up with our zero lux cameras and camcorders, and record everything that we see now?
Was I in the right or in the wrong to take action?
It'll be interesting to hear your opinions.
BTW, if anyone does want to be filmed or photographed in the Birmingham area, look out for a silver Vectra, with blackened out rear windows. I'm sure that the (usually 3) lads in there won't let you down.
Casanova
Quote by Silk and Big G
So wheres good to go now then round there ? Were going the full length of the M6 to Lancaster on Monday and might want to stop on the way back for a rest
hiya Silk and Big G
Only a suggestion, but when you get to M6 J8, head down the M5 for a couple of miles...there's somewhere not far from the Albion stadium where you can apply an alternative interpretation to the term "boing boing"
Casanova
Quote by naughtynymphos1
Then when you've sorted out which one you like, and if he hasn't asked you...grab him by the towel and do the girl power turn on him, take him to a room and onwards and upwards.
:shock: i would never do that, i'd just just die if the guy turned round and said thanx but get lost
i have only once asked a guy if he wanted to play and he said no and i have never made the first move since, see the female ego gets brused too :lol: Oh and i never do couples night at any club
Ahh, Catch 22 on the question popping front then, but hopefully it should never come to that anyway, some bloke should be brave enough.
Or you could ask the question without asking the question...like making enquiries about how full the jacuzzi is. If the blokes aren't totally dense, they ought to pick up on the hint.
The hint about Couples Only night was only meant as something to arrouse peoples interest in you. Most blokes would give their right arm to go on couples only nights (though why, precisely, I don't know...having seen how green the grass is on both sides of the fence) so using that as a rouse, ought to get some guys chatting to you if nothing else.
Hey, what's going on...I'm a bloke and I'm doing all the scheming for a lady :shock: :wink: :lol:
BTW, not every club in the West Midlands was quiet last night. :wink: It's just the way the cookie crumbles I suppose.
Casanova
Quote by naughtynymphos1
any advice welcome :haha:
Sounds from what you are saying that if the guys fear the prospect of breakind the ice with you, that you need to show that there is nothing to fear. Chatting about football or cricket (a good topical subject at the moment. Just pretend that you are interested even if you're not) at the bar with the lads will do wonders.
OR
Let it be known that you want to go on couples only nights and are looking for someone to take you.
Then when you've sorted out which one you like, and if he hasn't asked you...grab him by the towel and do the girl power turn on him, take him to a room and onwards and upwards.
Guaranteed that when the other guys see that you are there to play with guys, and not just to chew them up and spit them out, then you'll get a lot more friends very quickly IMHO
Tell you what, next time I see you there, I'll pop over and say hello, as long as you don't pour your drink over me
Casanova
Deepest Empathy Onlyme (well you said you didn't want sympathy )
I had 3 baboons try to mug me as well once. It wasn't a well planned mugging, picking on a 6ft 2in rugby player, with 6 pints of liquid anasthetic inside of him, on his way back from a wedding reception...however..
Being a rugby player, I'm quite used to having people hanging aroung my nick, and wrestling with me, so I gave back as good as I got, and in the end they had to run off empty handed.
Only when I sobered up, did the thought cross my mind...what if they had been armed? If they had had a knife or a gun, I could have been dead meat.
On reflection, I'd say yes, if it's money they want, let them have it. And since then, I've never had more than £50 in my pocket, and my cash card is somewhere else entirely, in case I need it.
)I had 3 baboons try to mug me as well once. It wasn't a well planned mugging, picking on a 6ft 2in rugby player, with 6 pints of liquid anasthetic inside of him, on his way back from a wedding reception...however..
Being a rugby player, I'm quite used to having people hanging aroung my nick, and wrestling with me, so I gave back as good as I got, and in the end they had to run off empty handed.
Only when I sobered up, did the thought cross my mind...what if they had been armed? If they had had a knife or a gun, I could have been dead meat.
On reflection, I'd say yes, if it's money they want, let them have it. And since then, I've never had more than £50 in my pocket, and my cash card is somewhere else entirely, in case I need it.
Casanova
Quote by naughtynymphos1
i used to go to chams regular on a sunday night with a fem friend and we used to walk upstairs, get the usual following of guys then just stop on the top landing and chat, its really funny to see all the sudden looks of "what do i do now" on their faces lol
NN1 - I did wonder if I had seen you before when I saw your avatar, and when you say that you go with another fem, it kind of confirmed it. And I think I have a possible reason for you. I think your chances of being approached when you are with another female, by a single guy are much more remote than if you were on your own.
Maybe you go on your own as well, I don't know, I can only reflect on the time when I saw you there.
Call it cowardice if you like, but the fear of being torn apart by 2 or more women would put all but the most confident/arrogant/irrepressible of guys off the idea totally.
As I said, I thought I have seen you there, with a fem friend or two, and thought, shall I / shan't I? A couple of women together, (I wondered) are they into blokes? (don't take offence, these questions just cross the mind amongst others) Who do I talk to first, and will the other one take offence? What if one likes me and the other doesn't? There were a number of thoughts which raced through my head, which are not a reflection on you, but perhaps more a reflection of male (my?) insecurity in the potential situation. And trust me, having seen one single guy have the piss taken out of him by 2 or more women, you don't want it happening to you. So I chickened out and went for the "safer" option of talking to some other couples. At least with a couple if the woman shows no interest, you can politely talk football to the bloke, make excuses and part with honour and ego intact.
Which is not to say I don't talk to single women. Only 2 weeks ago I did just that in Xtasia, on a Mixed night, and as they do, one thing led to another, and we've become really good friends since. But then she was (at the start of the night) on her own, and so I found it easier to feel confident about approaching her,
Just a thought, from a male perspective which you might find of use. Or you might just want to throw it in the bin and have a scream at me. Either way, it's just an attempt to foster a bit of understanding and not meant to bo offensive.
Casanova
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(2) A person commits an offence if-
(a) he operates equipment with the intention of enabling another person to observe, for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, a third person (B) doing a private act, and
(b) he knows that B does not consent to his operating equipment with that intention.
(3) A person commits an offence if-
(a) he records another person (B) doing a private act,
(b) he does so with the intention that he or a third person will, for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, look at an image of B doing the act, and
(c) he knows that B does not consent to his recording the act with that intention.
(4) A person commits an offence if he instals equipment, or constructs or adapts a structure or part of a structure, with the intention of enabling himself or another person to commit an offence under subsection (1).
(5) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable-
(a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both;
(b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years.
JTS you make a good point. What Camera were discussing Copyright Law, whereas you make the valid point that the Sexual Offences Act 2003 comes into play.
Nice one!
So the situation is now changes slightly. The "ownership" of the photos isn't affected by the SOA (2003), however the fact that the pictures were taken without consent makes them ILLEGAL!
So, all that needs to happen, is for the full facts of the situation to be reported to the POLICE who will then seek to prosecute in the Crown Court. Needless to say, all the witnesses will need to be called to give evidence, explain what they were doing, what they saw, etc etc...
...erm...a practical proposition...???
Casanova
Quote by Sexysteph
Did you get their phone number hunni? If so just call them and ask them to understand that any pictures belong to the people in them and if they go somewhere they should not then you will not hesitate to sue.
Thats before arranging another meet so that you can get the local rottweiller to have lunch with you all. You stick to a fresh salad and let the dog have his meat and two veg
Never happened to me tho as I am a good girl:twisted: :wink:
If they took pics without permission make sure you hide all the sunday supplements and papers :evil:
Steph:wink: - some people have absolutely no manners
I hate to disappoint here, but I read the debate on this sort of topic in What Camera magazine, where photographers were discussing the issue. The conclusion was that under UK law, no-one has a copyright over their own public appearance. This is how the press and paperazzi get away with what they do. So no, in this case, I don't think that you do own the photos on someone elses camera or phone.
Now feel free to argue your special case in a court of law...if you have Catherine Zeta Douglas's disposable income to do it...but unless you have that amount of cash to go to law, you are basically stuffed if they just stick their fingers up at you.
Casanova
Quote by seagull69
Another one from the south here exiled in the midlands. I have to say I just love the brummies. Think us southerners are just too self concious to let ourselves go at times
:shock: OMG - almost a compliment...faints...
...
... (later)...
...Cheers Seagull69. Stuck in the middle here. As a Brummie, I've never thought of myself as a Southerner (although red'n'white rose county types may disagree), but always been happy to be a Midlander, and us Midlanders can hold our heads high in this debate too. Just look at where the clubs and parties are, and we have more than our fair share here, so we must be doing something right.
Casanova
Quote by Debbiewebs
i have heard that charm and X-tasia................ are good........... so i plan to go to both in one day :twisted: :twisted:
what
Both on one day??? Wow, that'll take some energy (makes note to buy shares in Red Bull...sales are about to shoot up)
Perfectly possible though, Chameleons is open during the day and early evening, and Xtasia don't really get started til 10pm. So a mid evening swapsies (possibly with a bite to eat on the way) aounds like a good plan.
Casanova
Quote by naughtynymphos1
At least at a club like Xtasia or Chameleons, where single guys meet couples, the guys know that a bit of chat, friendliness, politeness and decorum is needed to get on with people, to stand any chance of some fun and games. If you lack these social skills, fear not, Private Club will be happy to welcome you.
Maybe you should try going to chamelens as a single fem and see if you still feel like that, now i love chameleons i have been going for about 5 years now but men there do not chat to you and are not really friendly as such, i have been many times on my own and done nothing because i have decided not to just play with guys who make no effort to talk to you, as a single fem you get guys sat round the bar watching you waiting for you to make a move and soon as you do have 10 guys following you round the club just waiting for you to go in a room, ok so the sex is there for women if you want to just go in a room and have men who can't be bothered to chat to you jump on you soon as you get on a bed, but as for chat! i have never ever been to chams on my own and had a guy in the bar area come over and talk to me and ask me to a room, they either wait till u go in the jacuzzi and all feel u up or follow u about till you go in a room so really the type of men who go to chameleons is not different to those who go to the private club its all about sex in any club only difference is at the private club if your a man and u want sex you will get it, i have been with a single fem friend b4 and had a group of guys kick the door in at chamelens to join us and when we said no and walked out was hurled with abuse, i also had a incident when a guy pinned me down in the jacuzzi and forced himself on me while all the other guys just sat there and watched and it took another woman to tell him to get off me, now i admit that that don't happen regular and the amount of trouble i have had at chams in minimal but the point i am trying to make is all clubs are the same when you get down to the basics, all becase you go to a club where there are no working girls don't make you better than a guy who does go to such places your both after a shag after all
You do surprise me about your perspective on single guys. Having been on my own and with a partner, I've not found the guys slow in coming forward, but of course, I'll never be able to replicate a single female way of looking at things. And I thought Chameleons were very selective as to who they accept as single members. Has that policy changed?
How can those guys get away with kicking doors down and stuff? I've been going to clubs (more Xtasia than Chameleons) for 10+ years and have never seen anything like that. I presume that the matter was dealt with by the staff? Sorry to hear that you had to put up with that though. It's embarrasing to admit to being a single guy when you hear that "our" reputation is sullied by idiots like that. I suppose that there are always bad apples in every barrel, and if you go for long enough, you are bound to encounter some, however unfortunate that is.
Casanova
Quote by naughtynymphos1
Most clubs are really expensive for single guys i think the best priced one is the private club in Aston,Birmingham but due to the low prices there are lots of men and they do have a few working girls there and it does tend to be a gang bang, bukakke place, personally as a female i didn't find it a good club to go to as the working girls seemed to get all the attention, but i suppose if thats what the guys go for
I thought that £25 in Xtasia was steep for single guys, but the Private Club is £30 or more.
As I said before though, I don't classify Private as a "SWINGERS" club, but more of a "Sex Club", kind of like a freestyle brothel, where the door receipts pay for the prostitutes wages and any free assistance from the females of passing couples, well more fool them.
If you are a couple thinking about where to go, ask yourself...what are the guys like at a place where sex is on a plate for them, they don't need to exhibit any social skills and any riff raff with £30 in his hand will be welcome. Don't you deserve better than this?
At least at a club like Xtasia or Chameleons, where single guys meet couples, the guys know that a bit of chat, friendliness, politeness and decorum is needed to get on with people, to stand any chance of some fun and games. If you lack these social skills, fear not, Private Club will be happy to welcome you.
Casanova
Quote by Morbius
...This means a £100 membership fee, drinks at £5 a time and all other costs in proportion to this.
membership fee for a couple is £50, that was on Monday. They are having difficulty with their website so their site is a little bland at the moment, however if memory serves the membership for a single fem is £20 but thesingle male is well over £100, may even be £200
As you say, things change, and what I heard was in the aftermath of the News Of The Screws "exposee" when demand for membership was very high (and the price probably went up as a result) Yes I've heard about £200 for singles memberships too - their way of pricing the single guys out of the club, the result being that couples end up footing the whole bill for running the place.
Point to remember, if you join NOW, your £50 membership fee lasts until 31 December, so that's 18 weeks time, which is roughly per week! (Equivelent to £125 per year) Libs are the odd-balls in not doing 12 month memberships, a point which has ruffled a few feathers I can tell you.
Oh and being a licenced bar, what are you expecting there? I've heard several people tell me about £5 per drink (obviously dependent on what you have. Anyway, much prefer the unlicenced bars that store and pour your own drinks, like the one at Xtasia.
As for Utiopia, I couldn't help but think about it last night, watching that C5 documentary about the Cat House (brothel) on telly
Casanova
Don't suppose this place is any different to most other places, so it's people you know best who get listened to most. So if you're new, don't be surprised if you don't attract so much attention, whereas once you've psted some contributions to other peoples threads and your name gets known, you'll get more.
But yeah, in an ideal world, something topical, of mutual interest, attracting a diversity of views, and also something well written will usually do the trick.
But yeah, in an ideal world, something topical, of mutual interest, attracting a diversity of views, and also something well written will usually do the trick.
Casanova
Fancy meeting car-loads of yoofs looking for trouble?
Well guess what, you've jiust sent the invitation out to them. Well done!
Don't you realise that school's out and these kids have nothing else to do all night, and monitoring sites like this for free nookie at best or queer/dogger bashing at worst is happening all the time?
I've no doubt one of the Mods will be having a word about this to you too.
Well guess what, you've jiust sent the invitation out to them. Well done!
Don't you realise that school's out and these kids have nothing else to do all night, and monitoring sites like this for free nookie at best or queer/dogger bashing at worst is happening all the time?
I've no doubt one of the Mods will be having a word about this to you too.
Casanova
Quote by georgem
a couple of hours on my own but as soon as a couple appears so do about a dozen overkeen doggers
Damn, and I thought that only happened to me. I'm sure that someone out there cleverer than me has some electronic gizmo attached to couples' cars, and they monitor the cars approach to a car park, then signal the rest of the guys to pursue.
Oh, and I've seen it all now. Not enough that we have all sorts of children turning car parks into racetracks, or gypsies making it their home, or gays strutting around in their hot pants, we now seem to have a Sunday Night, West Indian Calypso Party going on. You wouldn't believe it if you didn's see it. 20-odd cars, 50-odd people, all smoking drinking and dancing to the regae beat from what look like PA systems that they carry in their cars. ( no not just the car stereo, these are BIG speaker boxes and some battery draining amplification, I'm telling ya
)So if anyone's into regae-while-you-knit, this is the place where it's at :shock:
Casanova
How am I going to get to sleep tonight now...I've got this vision in my head, of my local car park (not that far away from the chase)...with 10 or 15 doggers in their cars all lined up, side by side...and a cop car shining its lights on them as it is passing, with the coppers getting confused to hell by the sight of a zillion kneeting needles frantically whirling around in the glare of the spotlight.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Casanova
Quote by o0x0o_tony_o0x0o
Hi just a question....
Do you all know what a grope box is..
If so have you tryed it and did you like it
Would you do it again???
The reason i ask is my wife has told me she would love to go in one for a while...
I find this realy exiting.........Am i just unusual to like the idea of my wife being touched and groped by loads of people (both male and female) all at once?
Xtasia in West Bromwich have a Grope Box, and also the play rooms in the loft all have grope holes as well.
And that's not to mention the dark rooms where a bit more close-quarter groping goes on...and the dance floor with the curtains down, lots more close quarter groping opportunities there...
choices choices...
Casanova
Quote by Sexysteph
Leicestershire does also have the Garden of Eden in the centre and also Liberation out at Lutterworth
Ahhh...I heard the name Garden Of Eden being mentioned the other day, but didn't know where it was...so that's it is it?
How I heard it was that the "manager" of the Private Club was supposed to have been assigned to take that club over. Anyone else know of this, whether it's true or not or whehter G of E have sold their souls to the owners of the Private Club? (If so, see my previous comments about the Private Club)
Casanova
Isn't GROSS indecency illegal by its very nature anyway? SO if you are watching GROSS indecency going on, thats like inciting its perpeptuation, therefore also being illegal. Goes without saying.
We're NOT talking about GROSS indecency though when referring to dogging, unless where you are you have fathers bringing their young daughters to be watched etc.
There's a difference between indecency and gross indecency, and questions abound over just what indecency is in the first place.
We're NOT talking about GROSS indecency though when referring to dogging, unless where you are you have fathers bringing their young daughters to be watched etc.
There's a difference between indecency and gross indecency, and questions abound over just what indecency is in the first place.
Casanova
Quote by Phoenix
if you are single or became single what would your criteria be for a new abode.
I inherited my house when my dad died a couple of years ago. Biggest lesson learned - don't get anything that you don't want to clean! You get it you clean it, and the more you get the more you clean. Minimalism is the most maximal word around.
Of course you may actually enjoy cleaning... :shock:
As for the bed, go for a King Size if you can. You might need somewhere to entertain a couple you meet at a club or something...you can do it now, you're single...
I had the kitchen re-done...totally...and to my (blokeproof) design - simple surfaces, wipe-cleanable (compare the ease of a ceramic hob to one of those wrought-iron gas flamed art-works)
And that's why I've got time to be writing this, with the kitchen all clean behind me already.
Casanova
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
Think this is one very big wind up!!!
oh damn,
Just think, all those ethnically diverse people, that go round 5-to-a-BMW (with blackened out windows) who will about now be tuning into this site to see where they could have gone for a bit of "free boom boom"...and all for nought.
What a blow.
Casanova
Quote by naughtynymphos1
with the amount of guys 2 women in swinging clubs not all can get to play, unless they are catered for
Intresting the choice that Utopia, Ceasars and Private club make then. Cater for the guys with no social skills or sex appeal by providing "paid-for assistance" (the girtls get paid from the money that comes out of the punters pockets one way or the other, whether it goes via the clubs till first or not)
OR
weed out the inept guys, thereby boosting the average quality of the male "blood stock" and make the place more attractive to couples looking for the extra guys to play with.
Utopia, Ceasars and Private have made their choices.
3-cheers for Xtasia and Chameleons for choosing differently.
Casanova
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hi partyman,
im have a basic handle of html and can get along building sites withouth it, but a mate of mine made my website with dreamewaver so had to learn how to use that...
im a novice when it comes to DW, i can get tables and things going but thats about it.
All im wanting to do is add a couple extra pages, the pages are there but the buttons are horizonally at the top and they look like tabs from a folder (make sense?)
im using MX
nic
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