Rules, regulations and generally mucking about

8 Aug 2007

It's certainly something to think about.
However at the moment it seems to be under control. There are a few people causing problems but they are easily dealt with, and the ops do scout through the rooms keeping people on their toes, so it's manageable at the moment.
Too many ops may put people off and may create a feeling of Big Brother.
Now talking about Big Brother … :shock:

8 Aug 2007

Quote by flower411
But, isn`t it time there was a core of paid ops ??

So rather than op's becoming op's cos they want to help the site, you would prefer they would become op's solely for financial gain. Good call !

Quote by flower411
Keep the volunteers if they want to continue

So from this comment, you have already drawn the conclusion that none of the current chatroom op's would be capable of becoming paid chatroom op's in your "eutopia"
That aside, the big question that I can see that could through a spanner in the works.... Did we hear you volunteer to fund this project? Or did you see the money coming from the chatroom users?
Ian

8 Aug 2007

12 Aug 2007

Quote by flower411
Spose I`ll just have to keep on wondering !! :shock:

.... lonely as a cloud.... smile

:)

12 Aug 2007

Well I did volunteer to become an op as I have loads of free time on my hands,but was turned down on the grounds that Im not well enough known :shock:
I drew my own conclusions from this, which I'm not prepared to share, but I think its possible to put any interpretation you want. Not that I'm a cynic mind you, but next time you need an op ... think on :moon:

13 Aug 2007

Well if the ops was paid then it would more than likely put membership prices up to cover cost's then people would probably start to leave or less new people join up.
So despite how hard a job the ops have putting up with all that they have to do for very little return, i would say no to paid.
Apart from maybe a couple more could be needed i think things are good how they are and we should thank them for the time and effort they do put in.
And thats not just the ops, its also the mods, if you seen just 1/2 of the shit the mods n ops have to sort out behind the scenes to make the site better for us all then you would understand.
And nope, before you say it, i don't creep, i have no need to creep, i just have a good idea what really does go on.
Tony wink

14 Aug 2007

I think you also need to thank the room hosts; if we open a room we have a responsibility to host the room correctly and not allow certain behaviour. It is refreshing to know that chatroom ops are available to sort out problems when things have escalated; and I am sure that the ops are aware of the rooms which tend to be better run, and therefore give less trouble. It is good that the ops trawl the site and pop into rooms and stay for a little while. They can assist the room hosts in 'best practice' and try and educate the peeps into what is allowable or not in the rooms.
I think if you start remunerating chatroom ops this will in turn bring in other problems; and could certainly make the site a worse place to be.
On the whole the ops are doing a great job.
Just my 2p worth redface

16 Aug 2007

Quote by buckingfabe
Well I did volunteer to become an op as I have loads of free time on my hands,but was turned down on the grounds that Im not well enough known :shock:

well thats strange because ive very recently seen two new ops that ive never heard of before and ive been here a while. ive certainly seen you about tho. i wonder who makes the judgement as to wether someone is well known enough? and is that a good basis for giving someone the job?

16 Aug 2007

Quote by sexkittenhfx
i wonder who makes the judgement as to wether someone is well known enough? and is that a good basis for giving someone the job?

Current serving Ops and admin hold an annonymous vote IIRC

17 Aug 2007

Op ids are not necessarily their chat ids, I have been a member of SH for 2 and a half years and was also turned down the first time of applying for not being known well enough.

17 Aug 2007

Quote by sexkittenhfx
well thats strange because ive very recently seen two new ops that ive never heard of before and ive been here a while. ive certainly seen you about tho. i wonder who makes the judgement as to wether someone is well known enough? and is that a good basis for giving someone the job?

When a person has an OP trial, they often get given a new account. Not always, but often, it is a choice given to them to allow them to have fun and natter with their normal account. That way their current account isn't affected in anyway whatever the outcome of their trial.
When OPs vote on a person and the most common failure is that they are not a well known person. That is because current OPs do not know the person well enough to be making a decision on their suitability. That is based on many things, how they chat, how they seem to deal with abusive chat or whether we feel they can take the abuse that gets slung at an OP pretty much everyday. No one can prepare for the abuse, it really can be upsetting unless you have verybroad shoulders.
What tends to happen, as with Shrek, yes the vote was negative but then current OPs made an effort to watch him in chat and get to know his style. Second time around, OPs were able to make their decision and he was given a trial.
Dunno why, he is a crap tea maker and never brings the biccies rolleyes

I hope that explains it a little better dunno

17 Aug 2007

Quote by Shaz_n_Tony
Well if the ops was paid then it would more than likely put membership prices up to cover cost's then people would probably start to leave or less new people join up.
So despite how hard a job the ops have putting up with all that they have to do for very little return, i would say no to paid.
Apart from maybe a couple more could be needed i think things are good how they are and we should thank them for the time and effort they do put in.
And thats not just the ops, its also the mods, if you seen just 1/2 of the shit the mods n ops have to sort out behind the scenes to make the site better for us all then you would understand.
And nope, before you say it, i don't creep, i have no need to creep, i just have a good idea what really does go on.
Tony

:thumbup:

17 Aug 2007

and some people are just too well known...
innocent

:whistling: :whistling:

18 Aug 2007

Quote by flower411
whether we feel they can take the abuse that gets slung at an OP pretty much everyday. No one can prepare for the abuse, it really can be upsetting unless you have very broad shoulders.

More than one person has suggested in the past that I was angling to become a chat op rolleyes

This is a the thing that would stop me from even applying, I just couldn`t put up with the abuse (it`s bad enough already, all the nastiness that gets slung my way :cry: )
And being the sensetive soul that I am, I`d be crying myself to sleep at night !! :cry: redface

But still, you have that rather nice Mrs Flower to console you wink

10 Jan 2008

Quote by flower411
It might just be my imagination, but there seem to be more people from the chatrooms coming in here lately.
So, I thought I`d resurrect this thread to see if there was any new input !

Nope ................ bolt

11 Jan 2008

Quote by Sgt Bilko
Spose I`ll just have to keep on wondering !! :shock:

.... lonely as a cloud.... smile

:)

that floats on high

11 Jan 2008

Quote by Ian

But, isn`t it time there was a core of paid ops ??

So rather than op's becoming op's cos they want to help the site, you would prefer they would become op's solely for financial gain. Good call !

Quote by flower411
Keep the volunteers if they want to continue

So from this comment, you have already drawn the conclusion that none of the current chatroom op's would be capable of becoming paid chatroom op's in your "eutopia"
That aside, the big question that I can see that could through a spanner in the works.... Did we hear you volunteer to fund this project? Or did you see the money coming from the chatroom users?
Ian
This subject has been discussed many times, for what it is worth, I feel there should be at least one op on the chat rooms at all times. I have seen it many times late at night where a member is causing problems in a room, but there are no op's about to deal with it. Yes of course you can tell Admin the room and time and they will deal with it but....that does not help matters at the time.
We do NOT pay anything on this site but if paying a tenner a year meant that there was a op full time on here, I would gladly pay the that it does not mean it would only cost a tenner :shock:, but maybe a lot of members would be ok to pay it.
I would have applied to be an op as I am certainly well known lol

but loads of members would be on banned island with Woo's lot. :lol:

16 Jan 2008

Well just to let you know I pay £15 a month for the use of this site! lol 777 said they would paid £10 a year for paid ops! Do I get a say where all my money goes? rolleyes

16 Jan 2008

Quote by Theladyisaminx
Well just to let you know I pay £15 a month for the use of this site! lol 777 said they would paid £10 a year for paid ops! Do I get a say where all my money goes?

Some people pay more than £15 a month for the use of a gym. Bet they don't have a say where their money goes either. biggrin

17 Jan 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
Well just to let you know I pay £15 a month for the use of this site! lol 777 said they would paid £10 a year for paid ops! Do I get a say where all my money goes?

Some people pay more than £15 a month for the use of a gym. Bet they don't have a say where their money goes either. biggrin

Same story with the council tax. Why do I have to pay for the libraries? Or to give free bus travel after 9am to people who smell of lavender and wee? Although it does give me great pleasure to remind the police officer who calls me "sonny" cos I'm on "his patch" that I pay his wages wink

- Guess I shouldn't have told him that the registration plate of the car I was driving was a small piece of white plastic covered in letters and numbers.
Ian

17 Jan 2008

Having paid chat operators on a site turns it into something VERY different...
The hassle and abuse a volunteer chat op has to put up with literally doubles overnight the moment they get any kind of renumeration for their time... I've been there and believe me it is not pleasant... suddenly the person you would normally be able to chat and explain, maybe move, occasionally need to suspend/ban etc etc becomes ultra-aggressive in their behaviour towards you, their theory "I pay for you to be here therefore without me you're nothing" becomes all too much of a barrier to reasoning, your "employees" suddenly receive ten times the number of complaints over the simplest of requests for someone to calm down, virulent e-mails where before it MAY have been a one-liner saying "its not fair!" becoming nasty and vindictive...
Seriously, if someone is going to be a trouble-maker if they are dealt with by a volunteer they tend to accept this a lot more readily than by someone they ultimately perceive to be in their own employ... its a lot easier as chat-op too if you're a volunteer, we used to have a system whereby we would ensure there was 24/7 cover, but as a family site it was needed, here you're not going to come across an 8 year old being sworn at or proposed to, we're all at least declaring ourselves to be over 18 and even with the worst of trouble makers there are ways as a simple chatter to keep out of their way...
Keep it as it is... the chat and forum ops on here do a fantastic job and do this simply because they enjoy being here, a winning combination...