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We have been using SHeaven for about a year or so now and are a sexually adventerous couple who enjoy the swinging lifestyle and the liberation that it provides, as well as a few exciting dogging meets!
we are regulars on the forums although we read more than post having notched up a few posts ourselves though when we thought relevant or something caught our attention.
Anyway to the point, lately there seems to have been lots of posts along the lines of "is dogging dead in...." or "any action in....." well there is a simple answer to this question and it is unfortunately more and more likely to be yes to the first and no to the second!!
The reason for this i think is becoming quite clear to anybody who has been to a more kown dogging site in the last year or so!
I partook in dogging as a single male starting a few years before i met my partner and at this time hardly anybody knew what it was let alone where any sites were and times were good for those who were patient and had a bit of ettiquete.
These days any cpl who go out to known sites are either very niave or very brave in our opinion, merely the sight of a female in a car these days and it is swarmed with a gaggle of men cocks outstretched toward the window thinking the cpl is fair game and its hunting season. Now lets just put it into context here, do dogging cpls really want to be confronted by large groups of men as soon as they enter a sit, is this really the way forward? No but it is nowadays sadly the norm.
i am not writing this to rant just merely to point out that the social and media coverage and interpretation of dogging has turned genuine dogging cpls away from it and dogging now sadly seems to be in a steep decline amongst cpls who in reality are dogging, or can a group of men standing around all night hoping for some action without said cpl be construed as "dogging"?
anyway folks be interesting to get an opinion or two from cpls and single males who have a view about the dogging and want to agree or disagree with my opinions that indeed we are in a state of decline. It seems to us that the only way forward for genuine dogging cpls who want to feel safe and secure whilst enjoying the exhibitionism and risque effects and feelings that dogging provides, is to perhaps begin to arrange private and secluded meets in pre arranged non-dogging locations (which we do now) where the couple can control numbers and not have the threat of swamping etc.
Have mentioned this on here before and had a comment that went along the lines of "does this private meeting at pre arranged non dogging location take away the very essence of what dogging really is?" well i dont know but seems like the best solution in a scenario where cpls are too intimidated to go out and pursue there sexual enjoyment!!!???
well as you know we have a dogging add,and we weould rather do a prearanged meet some where quiet now ,as most places have been rather spoilt by the boyracers,but when you state in a add what you would be doing ,what sort of male your looking for we get a load of emails asking for meets ,but they dont read the add now it starts to get a bit off putting .we look for a male age 45yrs and over ,and we get emails saying"hi i am 48 blah ect"when we look at profile it says 43 ,35 ect ,we email back saying sorry its not what it says on your profile ,then we get "dont know how that is" "aw well ne harm in trying hehe" so now we dont go out a lot,when we in chat we the younger males asking"why that age" well we cant really be bothered to answer stuff like that and why should we,we have a add that tell any one what we are after and dont have to explain ,and now there seems to be to many when you pull into carparks expecting to cum str8 over to the car ,without us giving signals or letting us get settled,so now we dont bother going to the usual haunts if we want a meet we find some where quiet ,hopefully the northeast will come alive again.
Hello necpluk, so not just us then lol
yes unfortunately we have had to give the more well known sites a miss now and are thinking of starting to arrange private meets at some good locations we have found on our travels so if any cpls are interested let us know (we wont hold our breath though knowing the scene as it is at present).
it seems a shame though that the people who are most needed in the dogging community ie cpls who are willing to go out and participate are getting frustrated and staying indoors. we have spoken to a few cpls who were interested in dogging but have been put off by the stories that are becoming all too common of mass piling towards cars with fems in, before the cpl has had chance to even engage the hand brake!! Then there are the bloody boyracers and the police, God is it too much to ask for Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie to turn up in a Bently at a local meet these days? :lol:
I agree. the only safe way is to pre arrange and have two or three unknown safe sites picked out and keep them quiet! Have done this in glos and hope to build up a small group of fun!!
Well, it was loads better 5 years ago.
The kiss-of-death started when more couples came into the "game" who wanted more than just to be watched.
That started the influx of guys who didn't want to just watch, and the press had little to do with it....the net had a lot more then, the press hadn't really got a clue what was what.
The "doggers guide" came out of the shadows of the newsgroups and became the standard "dogging locations" (many of the locations have changed little over 5 years, even though some are now housing estates !)
As soon as the "guide" hit the streets the rest of the shit followed...press and collymore(ish) characters.
Now, many of the couples who used to play, go to clubs....less hassle of the 20th guy wanting a quick shag or the inevitable unwashed asshole trying for the tenth time to get it up....
Many of the couples who just showed gave up when they got ignored (with comments) and the guys just moved away and carried-on chatting about the "good old days" (which they'd never had anyway)
I remember with fondness having to choose between cars....many times picking black-over-white just because it was different !
There were a few times when I had to choose between two girls getting their act together and a couple....the girls always win...
Human nature I suppose, why go to a pub and have to pay for it, or to the red light area and do the same (with the extra thrill of getting more than you bargained for) when the local park does it for free....and provides rubbers too !
I actually started the other way around!
I better explain that or I'll get some PM's I don't want lol
As part of a couple until my partner went to work abroad and then I went out as a Single male and, although I'll say so myself, I did much better than I thought.
The meets were mostly at some well known sites and I found that the polite approach was the only one that worked and I can fully understand your point about being swamped.
Most of the guys I've met over the last two years are fine and if I was back in a couple, I would want 3 or 4 around at least, because if one idiot starts playing up, the others will normally sort him out, although I will hastily add that that has been very rare in my experience.
Everybody's different and that can lead to confusion with some people wanting different things/signals and others wanting more time to settle.
I've seen couples park and go at it hammer and tongs within minutes....others drive around all night and do absolutely nothing week in, week out, at some sites......everybody to their own, but if you don't want people to look AT ALLgo to the thousands of non dogging spots that surround most towns and not to the well known ones......let's face it, even people who wouldn't be caught dead dogging (or so they'd tell you cool ) know where the hot spots are thanks to the press and media.
It's a shame if couples are being discouraged and boy racers and OB are as much to blame.
I would say keep the faith and I'm sure things will improve given time......and some new sites, here & there. wink
kept me eye on this and the next 3 reply are from 3 single males whos ages are 42 plus with good input ,thats why we put a certain age bracket for more mature people to watch us ,well done lads biggrin
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The decline in dogging I can only put down to those so called doggers who plaster dogging locations across the web.
Please notice I said "web". It is not just SH but all the other sites where ?? doggers ?? broadcast for all the world and press to see.
I am sure I will be backed up by a friendly dogger from the south of england>>>> Hi Red kiss
phredd = him with the cherry red head lol
agree with a lot of whats been said, some good points and comments made, was really expecting loads of idiots replying to this one but so far non have sufficed, except for necpluk of course lol :lol: :lol:
well just had a email the neet ,talk about chancers,"hi i am 39 i know your after 45 plus but hey whats a cpl of yrs" and guess what the profile says 29 .i rest my case biggrin cant wait for next week blackpool social here we come lol
The fun for us in Dogging was we might get seen/someone watching
and sometimes we might put the light on so we could be seen.
But as far as we are concerned driving into a carpark now is a big no.
We have had it when we have parked up tucking into our kebabs and
There are weirdo’s around the car in seconds they aren’t doggers and
All we do is drive away.
It’s a shame but that’s life all good things come to a end.
we used to love the thrill of feeling horny, just dropping everything and going out in the car for a bit of fun. no matter what time of the day. there were places we could go and always get what we craved. sadly that is no longer the case. the only way we can get out now is by pre arranging. other wise we leave the house horny, and come home angry after having to put up with all types rididiculas behaviour, that is sometimes quite amusing and other times terrifying.
pre arranging is nothing to do with dogging in our opinion and is not any where near as exciting of the chance encounters that we used to really get off on, but it's now the only way we go out for any alfresco fun these days.
things change, times move on, like it or lump it-it's a fact!
wink I can't agree with you more.I'm a single male and have been dogging for 8 years (since I was 18!). Blokes turn up and seem to think it's their God given right to get their cocks out jump on the couples roof and start wanking at the slightest sniff of a female, well some blokes do! Some couples do like lot's of guys but most of the new couples or the ones just getting interested have one bad experience with a group of guys and never come back, come on guy's it's time to start thinking! Just to add to my point can the wank*@rs who go to xxxxxx (you know who you are!) and drive up and down all night long please stop? Your not acheiving anything by driving to a bit of car park that you drove from 2 mins ago that was empty when you left it and you know it's still empty cos you can see everything that comes in and out of the damn place!!! (this will probably fall on deaf ears but at least I've tried)
Mods Edit (AGAIN!!): this is the second time you have named a location in the public forum. It's actions like that which encourages the people you don't want at a dogging site! Don't do it again!!
Its just unfortunate that these idiots who call themselves "doggers" that are now frequenting most known dogging sites give us genuine polite and respectful doggers a bad name. They think they have a right to act in the way they do as soon as couples appear even during the day when they could be unsuspecting couples who are just out for a walk or drive and not for dogging purposes.
Yep know what u mean wrats and I have had a very big fall out with a very good friend of urs lol for that very reason.
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Its just unfortunate that these idiots who call themselves "doggers" that are now frequenting most known dogging sites give us genuine polite and respectful doggers a bad name. They think they have a right to act in the way they do as soon as couples appear even during the day when they could be unsuspecting couples who are just out for a walk or drive and not for dogging purposes.
up our way we all ( well most couples do anyway) know how to tell the differance between genuine proper doggers and the knobheads mad .
what we have experianced is the knodheads come hairing onto the car park or other quiet secluded spot that we have selected and instantly light you up with maibeam!!!!!!! :x we have even had cheeky buggers knock on the window and say things like are you putting a show on or what :x :x (they only make that mistake once though :twisted: :twisted: ) although we have done pre-arranged meets its nowhere near as much fun as the unexpected meets we expeirance with dogging one things for sure the gobshites wont put us off wink lol :lol:
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Yep know what u mean wrats and I have had a very big fall out with a very good friend of urs lol for that very reason.

and who would that be, "a very good friend of ours" ????????? pm please alan
lol all our very good friends are very trust worthy as far as we know?????
wrats
The thing about Dogging is that it's normally hit or miss at the best of times and that's part of the fun.
Pre-Arranged is good and I do both, but I've had some of my best nights when I've just taken pot luck and gone to some of the usual haunts.
Others nights nothing's happened and I find that's irrespective of what I wear and I know it makes you feel that you've got two heads or something sad but if you keep acting sensibly it'll happen sooner rather than later.
The known places or some of the "drive off" areas around them are normally ok.
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The thing about Dogging is that it's normally hit or miss at the best of times and that's part of the fun.
Pre-Arranged is good and I do both, but I've had some of my best nights when I've just taken pot luck and gone to some of the usual haunts.

Ditto for me! I avoid busy spots 99% of the time though as I don't want the inevitable hassle of the really active sites - I can see why some couples might feel intimidated by those or annoyed by the lack of understanding of a lot of doggers.
The choices for couples are pre-arranged, go to a busy spot and deal with the pushy doggers who don't know better or choose a less well known location and hope that someone finds you!
I consider myself quite lucky as a Dogger, my more secluded spots have produced good results.....usually on the spur of the moment, but a couple of pre-arranged meets have been fab too! biggrin
we used to go out about once a week to the local dogging spots and it was more exiting when it wasnt planned, but we now like alot of others are having to prearange meets with people and go to quiet spots, but then you get arsholes in the chatroom saying are you going to"**********" again and can I come, ffs the once quiet spot you had is now not quiet anymore, its a shame that the few spoil it for the rest of us!!!!!
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I have a question? I'm 35, decent, non pushy and easy going. I have visited a few locations that are on here in Cheshire / lancashire and have only seen gays, or single guys on their own. Is this a wease, do couples go to other places that are not on here? If so, what do a couples look for in a guy to invite them. I consider myself to be reasonable looking, decent and certainly not a danger, but no messages except from fellas, which is not my scene. I did get one invite to xxxxxxxxt but it was 11:45pm in a Forrest, bit late, and very remote. I'm not that brave
I would be grateful for a constructive replies
Thanks
Chris
chris the one thing you need to steer clear of are the damned site`s that every bugger and his dog know about lol cos you will only find dickheads there :cry: .
speaking for us as a couple we have tried all the well known site`s as i think most couple`s do . but we just got naffed off with all the knobheads that seem to hang around these place`s and could`nt (or dont want to ) know how to behave in a proper manner .
i think over the last couple of years we have had it all the japanese sniper, cosmo smallpiece, and worst of all the prick who insists on following you everytime you move your car (i mean what the f*ck do they think they`re going to achieve , apart from a fat lip if they upset jools) .
we dont think its got anything to do with looks , well within reason , :lol: its more how you approach / come across, no one likes pushy people , or smelly people, or even the downright rude obnoxious people mad , but they are all out there , we know cos we have come across some on more than one occassion , and last but not least DON`T enter the carpark or where ever headlights blazing , driving around lighting all the cars up to see who`s in them , thats a sure fire way to piss any couple off in a big way :x .
i hope our comments help wink :wink:
well said,dont single guys understand it's not sexy and it's not a turn on
to have stream of cars following you around a car park,shining their headlights
in to your car.
when that starts to happen we just go home,but you always get some idiot
that thinks it's clever to follow you.
guys,just park up and wait,everything come to he that waits!!!!
thanks,had my rant.
The ones that drive about, lights ablaze, don't give a s**t about what anyone else wants.
They're always of the same type, arrogant, soaked in cheap aftershave (before wash) and in a hurry.
They won't have just fu**ed-up your car park, they'll have been through the nearest half-dozen and done the same. If there is a couple (any couple) in any car park they've been to they'll always park RIGHT next to them (about metres away) and then put on the interior light and give the (inevitable) greasy grin.....naturally, the couple bugger-off pretty fast....they probably only went in there for a quiet shag alone, not intending to be a centrepiece in someones sexual fantasy.
Try later at night....at 2200z and counting.... the "away from the wife for a drink" dogger will have gone home, Mr Greasy-Grin will have gone to prop up a bar for the final drink, so his breath smells of beer (more likely pernod and piss) before he goes home to his "Missus"...and the bo' racers will be fretting about being out late 'cause their mums will be fuming...at 2300z (and counting a little more slowly) even the police will be thinking twice about bothering, and the local town-park vigilante will be on his/her way home sulking about not spoiling anyones fun...........
Lastly, don't take it too seriously.............nothing's guaranteed in this life...............there's always another night, or day, and the assholes can't be there every night (just most of them)
we have been dogging in thetford for the lst 8 yrs now, knows the up an the downs .
but sadly it seeems the decline in dogging down here is all to do with the certain few that thinks its the god given right to muck up everyone elses fun with lights , being pushy etc this is not only the single doggers but some cples as well.
would just like to say to some of those decent doggers that go down , deal wiv the arrogant, ignorant doggers or thetford will most def die with in bout 6 months, theres only a few brave cples that are keeping it going at mo an if you dont get up off ur rses an come speak so we can see wether ur str8t or a trannie or gay how u expect us to see .
in other words get out ur car an have a walk it works for us , come say hi , u can only b told to go away or as per chatted to an then take it from there .
plz plz get out of car , cant really see any other alterantive come say hello ,
q plz to how can you ignore cples that go down there cos we are getting sik an bored sitting down there for 4 to 5 hrs being tottally ignore cheers peeps
hi, just thought id ad my thoughts and experiences on the subject. im a young single male who has been interested in dogging for maybe 3 years or so. im far from an expert but i have found that even over the period sinsce ive been on this site that things seem to be getting worse. like many have said the increased media coverage has brought dogging to the attention of many, although i cant complain to much because thats how i heard about it in the beginning. the first of the many problems is the way the media has explained dogging and the goings on. due to the way its been described most of the new comers myself included are single males. the problem seems to be that the rules and etiquet are not adhered to and this understandably has put couples off. ive lot count of the times ive sat waiting for hours only to have impatiant guys circling flashing headlights. also the massive increase in web sites advertising dogging spots. i think dogging is a vitim of its own success both because of the enjoyment of dogging so others want some of the fun and to be honest and please tell me if im wrong, dogging has been sold out. buisness has profitted on the interest in the activties and sold it out and it has bceome mainstream. so is dogging dead? maybe not, i think like many that pre arranged meets are the way forward although this poses more problems. the amount of people time wasting. we have all had it people saying they will meet you at a place only to find nobody turns up. what is the answer then? if anyone finds the answer please let me know.
hi its us again wink , just on the subject of pre-arranged meets , we sorta think it gets away from the whole point of dogging :cry: .............................the uncertainty will anything happen .............or wont it :wink: .
we have tried a couple of pre-arranged meets , and although they went ok it just lacked a little something (no pun intended lol :lol: ) .
its a bit like internet shopping for doggers biggrin , we still feel its far better going out and going for the off the cuff chance meeting , and f*ck the dickheads and the other cretins who just want to bugger things up for us all , they can go shove their heads up their ass`s and whistle dixie :twisted: :twisted: cos we ar`nt being put off also , in our area at least we know of quite a few other couples who feel exactly the same , so we are pleased to say our pastime is still alive and well up north .................well for now anyway :wink: :wink:
sad hmm well sadly i think that the question is correctly answered in the first statement.
yes it is dead but ive been doing this a few years now and its been the norm for some time now to go to a "known" site and be greeted with lots of usualy unwashed dirty and young pervs alike.
thats why i now try to diss-own myself from these types and i only do private meets of which i do do a fair few and i have my regulars (you know who you are) to rely on to.
i must say that although me and my wife paly as a couple and as singles to we have been witness to some quite obsurd and downright rude things.
so that is why we only meet cpls or single mails we know or we can trust,we have a few places we go but we dont tell a soul where they are for fear of turning up and being letched upon by a load of the usuals. confused
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hi its us again wink , just on the subject of pre-arranged meets , we sorta think it gets away from the whole point of dogging :cry: .............................the uncertainty will anything happen .............or wont it :wink: .
we have tried a couple of pre-arranged meets , and although they went ok it just lacked a little something (no pun intended lol :lol: ) .
its a bit like internet shopping for doggers biggrin , we still feel its far better going out and going for the off the cuff chance meeting , and f*ck the dickheads and the other cretins who just want to bugger things up for us all , they can go shove their heads up their ass`s and whistle dixie :twisted: :twisted: cos we ar`nt being put off also , in our area at least we know of quite a few other couples who feel exactly the same , so we are pleased to say our pastime is still alive and well up north .................well for now anyway :wink: :wink:

rickandjools, was wondering if anyone would bring up the point about pre arranged dogging not been "proper dogging" as in essence dogging really is waiting around for something to happen, now you must understand we have no problem with this but we and a great many others from what i can gather, feel that dogging in the origional sense and nature might be on the way to extinction, or at least on the endangered list!!
I think dogging may have to evolve and the modern dogger/dogging cpl may be forced to more private meets for fear of the said loons and spoilers who are ever more frequent and outnumber the more polite these days!
We might have to move to bolton with you guys :lol: :lol: :wink:
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hi its us again wink , just on the subject of pre-arranged meets , we sorta think it gets away from the whole point of dogging :cry: .............................the uncertainty will anything happen .............or wont it :wink: .
we have tried a couple of pre-arranged meets , and although they went ok it just lacked a little something (no pun intended lol :lol: ) .
its a bit like internet shopping for doggers biggrin , we still feel its far better going out and going for the off the cuff chance meeting , and f*ck the dickheads and the other cretins who just want to bugger things up for us all , they can go shove their heads up their ass`s and whistle dixie :twisted: :twisted: cos we ar`nt being put off also , in our area at least we know of quite a few other couples who feel exactly the same , so we are pleased to say our pastime is still alive and well up north .................well for now anyway :wink: :wink:

rickandjools, was wondering if anyone would bring up the point about pre arranged dogging not been "proper dogging" as in essence dogging really is waiting around for something to happen, now you must understand we have no problem with this but we and a great many others from what i can gather, feel that dogging in the origional sense and nature might be on the way to extinction, or at least on the endangered list!!
I think dogging may have to evolve and the modern dogger/dogging cpl may be forced to more private meets for fear of the said loons and spoilers who are ever more frequent and outnumber the more polite these days!
We might have to move to bolton with you guys :lol: :lol: :wink:you guys could well be right as nothing ever remains unchanged indefinatly dogging i suppose included :cry: , but not everthing change`s for the better , but in saying that its really down to indivual preferance and choice .
we hope really that after the media move on to something else , and the dickheads get the message that behaving like a pratt will get them zilch apart from a very boring evening , things will maybe drift back to normallity , its just a case of suck it and see :lol: :wink: