Labour have announced that if they win the next election they will ban smoking in cars if there are children therein.
This one I am in partial agreement with, even those that disagree on the full effects of passive smoking have to agree that in the close confines of a car the effect must be greater.
Of course with the window open a little the smoke by scientific process is immediately drawn out of the car but not everyone will open a window.
I think it would be going to far to ban smoking in all cars of course, that has to be personal choice, generally the driver is the one who sets the rules in his/her own car and a passenger has the choice to travel with them or not.
The precedence for a ban has been set of course with the banning of smoking in company vehicles which came into force at the outset of the smoking ban laws.
Thoughts ?
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Quote by MidsCouple24
Of course with the window open a little the smoke by scientific process is immediately drawn out of the car but not everyone will open a window.
Thoughts ?
Rubbish is your above comment, open a window a 'little' and sure the majority of smoke traps on out but not all...cos quite simply if opening a window was the key to removing the smoke how is it that after a smoker has enjoyed their ciggie with the window open that the car still stinks of smoke?
Quote by MidsCouple24
I think it would be going to far to ban smoking in all cars of course, that has to be personal choice, generally the driver is the one who sets the rules in his/her own car and a passenger has the choice to travel with them or not.
Try telling that to you a young tot who has zero choice when a passenger in a car? Banning smoking in cars when children are in it seems reasonable but then they banned talking on your phone in a car and everyday in everyway people can still be seeing yabbering on their phones whilst driving.
Frankly, parents who drive and smoke at the same time and whose young children are in the back need their heads looking at, irresponsible is them.
Quote by Rogue_Trader
People who drive and smoke are worse than those on mobile phones.
so yep ban all smoking, eating and drinking in cars. If you are doing any of those tasks you are not in control.
I have to agree with you on this.
Having lost a member of my own family thanks to some fuckwit who was irresponsible and not in control of his vehicle, any thing that is a distraction whilst driving should be banned. Driving is a skill after all and we are driving a machine. Some people seem to forget the bloody thing contains petrol and if this is to crash into something, it can blow up.
I digress, on the matter of smoking whilst having kids in the car yes I agree it should be banned. It to me is on a par as smoking during pregnancy. Thinking of children's health as smoking can bring on medical problems.
We all have a choice to smoke, drink, etc but that doesn't mean it should be infringed upon others. As a smoker myself I do not like smoking near non smokers and I also think it's disgusting that smokers smoke near hospital entrances. Again I waffle on....
So yep to banning it, let kids breathe fresher air and even that isn't totally fresh but it's better than a smoke filled car.
Quote by Toots
Of course with the window open a little the smoke by scientific process is immediately drawn out of the car but not everyone will open a window.
Thoughts ?
Rubbish is your above comment, open a window a 'little' and sure the majority of smoke traps on out but not all...cos quite simply if opening a window was the key to removing the smoke how is it that after a smoker has enjoyed their ciggie with the window open that the car still stinks of smoke?
Rubbish ? yes taken by itself you can bend what I said, was that your motive ? why not quote what else I said ie "This one I am in partial agreement with, even those that disagree on the full effects of passive smoking have to agree that in the close confines of a car the effect must be greater."
Quote by MidsCouple24
I think it would be going to far to ban smoking in all cars of course, that has to be personal choice, generally the driver is the one who sets the rules in his/her own car and a passenger has the choice to travel with them or not.
Try telling that to you a young tot who has zero choice when a passenger in a car? Banning smoking in cars when children are in it seems reasonable but then they banned talking on your phone in a car and everyday in everyway people can still be seeing yabbering on their phones whilst driving.
And these people when caught using mobile phones are prosecuted they made murder illegal too but some still get away with it, the best you can do is ban phones being used in cars then enforce the law just like with any other law and just as it would be if caught smoking with children in the car, in the same way you can be prosecuted if you have a young child in the car without an approved car seat. I can't tell that to all parents or young tots that would be impossible so what suggestion do you have to protect them if you think this is a waste of time.
Frankly, parents who drive and smoke at the same time and whose young children are in the back need their heads looking at, irresponsible is them.
As I said in my opening post I support the ban of smoking when children are in the car but don't support a total ban on smoking in cars, I never carry children in my car, it is 3.5 years old and no child has ever been in it, why should I have to suffer doing something that is legal because others are stupid ?
Quote by Rogue_Trader
People who drive and smoke are worse than those on mobile phones.
so yep ban all smoking, eating and drinking in cars. If you are doing any of those tasks you are not in control.
and CB radios
Taxi Radios
Police car radios (often only 1 officer in a car)
Ambulance radios (when returning to the hosp the 2nd medic is normally with the patient)
Doing your make-up
talking to passengers
radios and CD players which are often so loud you cannot hear approaching emergency vehicles or warning horns from other road users.
cars
Children or passenger movement in the rear seats
Oh and opening a window does help, it does not remove all the danger but it helps, most cars that smell of smoke do so because of butt ends left in ash trays, opening a window removes much of the smoke removed contains the harmful nicotine but the smell lingers and sticks to fabrics in the car and stale smoke is particularly horrible.
I agree with banning smoking in cars that have children in them and i also agree with banning smoking in cars in general, in fact i would also agree with banning smoking completly as i hate the smell of smoke and am fed up of the effect is has on my breathing problems, its an irritant that makes my asthma worse, i avoid going near anyone smoking but often its impossible to keep away completly.
Quote by nellie-mwgc
I agree with banning smoking in cars that have children in them and i also agree with banning smoking in cars in general, in fact i would also agree with banning smoking completly as i hate the smell of smoke and am fed up of the effect is has on my breathing problems, its an irritant that makes my asthma worse, i avoid going near anyone smoking but often its impossible to keep away completly.
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Seriously, does it have to be banned? If parents think so little of there offspring that they would smoke in a car with them as a passenger or in any close proximity then the poor little mites can't be the apple of there eyes. Parents that are that selfish are not going to improve there overall parenting skills just because they have to stop smoking in a car.
Not sure how it would be enforced either, the ban on smoking in the work place extends to company vehicles but it does not seem to stop a lot of van drivers. They would probably just tell the poor little sods to "lie down in back sweet'art so mummy and daddy can 'av a ciggy"
Not sure people who drive and smoke are worse than those on mobile phone either! as bad maybe but worse? Is someone who murders with a gun worse than one who murders with a knife?
Seems to me the best way to make doing anything in a car safe is to allow everything except driving the damn things.
Not sure how it would be enforced either, the ban on smoking in the work place extends to company vehicles but it does not seem to stop a lot of van drivers. They would probably just tell the poor little sods to "lie down in back sweet'art so mummy and daddy can 'av a ciggy"
Not sure people who drive and smoke are worse than those on mobile phone either! as bad maybe but worse? Is someone who murders with a gun worse than one who murders with a knife?
Seems to me the best way to make doing anything in a car safe is to allow everything except driving the damn things.
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I can't help thinking its the wrong argument. Somebody mentioned about not being fully focused on driving, which seems much more convincing to me. If the whole mobile while driving issue seems impossible to implement, how on earth are they going to ake on the smoking issues as well. I'm just not convinced it will change anything. And at what point do you allow ADULTS in a democracy to make their own decisions?
Also why has this single issue come about. What about clusters of young girls with their prams, puffing away to their hearts content AND dropping ash on their beloved offspring? It's just not joined up thinking but political posturing. All it does is get people all worked up about a relatively unimportant issue. Yes I know SMOKING = CANCER etc. etc., but the country is in a mess, business disappearing left right and centre. Instead of banning perhaps a change in attitude would make more sense?
It does worry me sometimes that politicians invoke children and old people when their argument is a little weak..
I can't help thinking its the wrong argument. Somebody mentioned about not being fully focused on driving, which seems much more convincing to me. If the whole mobile while driving issue seems impossible to implement, how on earth are they going to ake on the smoking issues as well. I'm just not convinced it will change anything. And at what point do you allow ADULTS in a democracy to make their own decisions?
Also why has this single issue come about. What about clusters of young girls with their prams, puffing away to their hearts content AND dropping ash on their beloved offspring? It's just not joined up thinking but political posturing. All it does is get people all worked up about a relatively unimportant issue. Yes I know SMOKING = CANCER etc. etc., but the country is in a mess, business disappearing left right and centre. Instead of banning perhaps a change in attitude would make more sense?
It does worry me sometimes that politicians invoke children and old people when their argument is a little weak..
I have to agree with the above, it seems to be a typical politician diversion tactic on what many people in the UK are really worried about which I believe is the recession, immigration and the EU.
The main problem with smoking has been fully addressed and that is smoking in public those stupid enough to subject their children to the effects of passive smoking do it now and will do it in the future no matter what legislation is introduced.
The main problem with smoking has been fully addressed and that is smoking in public those stupid enough to subject their children to the effects of passive smoking do it now and will do it in the future no matter what legislation is introduced.
It is true that many are beating the recession and some are becoming even more wealthy, but it is also true that this period of economic rise and fall has seen the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, I am not knocking that totally because if we have rich, rich some of it will be used to create jobs and income for the poorer proportion, but it is becoming a question of how long can the poor last.
It is also true that 3.2% is simply not enough of an increase to solve the problems that can counter the growth that the previous decline has caused us to need, so much has been cut in the last decade that we need a much greater investment in all areas than 3.2% can provide.
It is also true that 3.2% is simply not enough of an increase to solve the problems that can counter the growth that the previous decline has caused us to need, so much has been cut in the last decade that we need a much greater investment in all areas than 3.2% can provide.
Of course, I was not trying to put a dampener on the situation but I am aware that the recovery is not happening for everyone and some of the more sweeping measures of the government both financially and regarding changes in policy are hurting some of the less well off but deserving and needing in the UK, even the Government are for example worried about the new trend of Payday loans whereby average people with jobs are having to rely on high interest rate short term loans to get by from day to day.
....I do believe the highway code says that you should have two hands on the wheel other than changing gear . So if you are holding a cigarette surely you have only one hand on the wheel....therefore its illegal !!
I did read recently where someone received a 3 point penalty because he was eating a sandwich whilst driving. I would say having a cigarette in your hand was exactly same principal. It does scare me to think of what could happen if it fell out the persons hand or mouth and onto their lap !!!! A bit of bread and lettuce in your lap from your sandwich is one thing....a lighted cigarette, that can burn and potentially cause combustion to what you wearing etc....its a frightening thing if you were travelling at 70MPH in outside lane of motorway when that occurred !!!
Some have also mentioned no need for legislation, as its common sense not to smoke with kids in car. Maybe so.....but an awful lot of people don't use that common sense. We all accept we have to wear a seat belt. Now this is not for anyone else's protection but yours.....but I think most would accept it is a good law.
I did read recently where someone received a 3 point penalty because he was eating a sandwich whilst driving. I would say having a cigarette in your hand was exactly same principal. It does scare me to think of what could happen if it fell out the persons hand or mouth and onto their lap !!!! A bit of bread and lettuce in your lap from your sandwich is one thing....a lighted cigarette, that can burn and potentially cause combustion to what you wearing etc....its a frightening thing if you were travelling at 70MPH in outside lane of motorway when that occurred !!!
Some have also mentioned no need for legislation, as its common sense not to smoke with kids in car. Maybe so.....but an awful lot of people don't use that common sense. We all accept we have to wear a seat belt. Now this is not for anyone else's protection but yours.....but I think most would accept it is a good law.
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....I do believe the highway code says that you should have two hands on the wheel other than changing gear . So if you are holding a cigarette surely you have only one hand on the wheel....therefore its illegal !!
I did read recently where someone received a 3 point penalty because he was eating a sandwich whilst driving. I would say having a cigarette in your hand was exactly same principal. It does scare me to think of what could happen if it fell out the persons hand or mouth and onto their lap !!!! A bit of bread and lettuce in your lap from your sandwich is one thing....a lighted cigarette, that can burn and potentially cause combustion to what you wearing etc....its a frightening thing if you were travelling at 70MPH in outside lane of motorway when that occurred !!!
Some have also mentioned no need for legislation, as its common sense not to smoke with kids in car. Maybe so.....but an awful lot of people don't use that common sense. We all accept we have to wear a seat belt. Now this is not for anyone else's protection but yours.....but I think most would accept it is a good law.
Yes I saw a report where a woman was penalised for doing her make-up whilst driving and another person penalised for eating a slice of toast whilst driving, I use the word penalised because I cannot remember if they got a ticket or had to go to court but there was definitely a penalty of some sort issued.
I suppose the Police use their discretion, ie if one hand on the wheel and one hand doing something else has caused an accident or erratic driving they take action if not they ignore it, to act upon every person removing one hand from the wheel could become ridiculous, it is not just changing gear, adjusting the radio (my car has radio controls on the steering wheel) adjusting the sun visor, opening the car window, brushing a hair out of your face, scratching an itchy nose, that well known problem on long drives of a blocked nose caused by the stuffiness of car interiors, taking a sip of cola, adjusting a sat nav, adjusting the heating, when reversing and so on.
I suppose you could adjust the law to make it illegal for any 1 handed driving that is not necessary to actually driving such as adjusting a sun visor but it all gets a bit, did he, didn't he then.
I would agree that a lighted cigarette is a more dangerous practice and even a hot cup of tea from the drive in (yes read this to have been a problem for at least one driver who burnt his lips and subsequently crashed albeit at very low speed).
The problem with legislation is that it will be like the seatbelt laws, the idiots will always break that law and have no regard for their kids well being whilst the sensible people don't need the law as they wouldn't smoke with kids in the car anyway.
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Quote by Rogue_Trader
People who drive and smoke are worse than those on mobile phones.
so yep ban all smoking, eating and drinking in cars. If you are doing any of those tasks you are not in control.
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