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why do you think people DO this??
thought it was topical.
what/why do you think that grown people actually take time out of their busy (or not as the case may be) adult lives to post such guff?
i mean there are people like your good self Mr Kent, who offer differing viewpoints in order to stimulate an adult debate wink, and there are......others who seem to join forums to deliberately cause trouble with their imflammatory and downright nasty comments, and indeed actions.
Have seen trolls post others photos, private business and contact details on other forums, or members and users....and I, as a mature adult, cannot see for the life of me why???
anyone any ideas on this internet phenomenon?
dunno
there seems to be something missing...
It's a good question.
I reckon people do it for all sorts of reasons. But I think the common denominator is attention.
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It's a good question.
I reckon people do it for all sorts of reasons. But I think the common denominator is attention.

OOOOOO Me me me me !!! wave :wave:
I know I know :bounce:
:giggle:
:shock: was that in the good old days when everyone got on?
A few names still around, too lol
What I thought was funny, was the a call for the divide of the forums, and its only taken 5 years :lol:
or maybe they jus non conformist with the majority..everyone has opinions n are entitled to them whether we agree with them or not.....it dont mean that person should be slated or ridiculed..jus because a person has opinions dont mean that person is a troll....in fact jus because someone says something that you dont like n you slate them because of it dont it sorta make you worse then the original poster
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or maybe they jus non conformist with the majority..everyone has opinions n are entitled to them whether we agree with them or not.....it dont mean that person should be slated or ridiculed..jus because a person has opinions dont mean that person is a troll....in fact jus because someone says something that you dont like n you slate them because of it dont it sorta make you worse then the original poster

Wise wise words.
I am a member of other forums which also get regularly attacked by trolls who simply see the anonymity of the arena as an opportunity for personal entertainment. I agree that there is definately an issue with the troll being an attention seeker and that is the main motivator to get off on the attention that comes as a result of the mayhem he/she is creating.
The problem is that most regular posters simply cant help themselves but fall for the bait and react/respond to the trolls and thereby feed them. They should simply be ignored. Think about it, it you were with an annoying person in a pub, would you keep talking to them or would you ignore them?
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I am a member of other forums which also get regularly attacked by trolls who simply see the anonymity of the arena as an opportunity for personal entertainment. I agree that there is definately an issue with the troll being an attention seeker and that is the main motivator to get off on the attention that comes as a result of the mayhem he/she is creating.
The problem is that most regular posters simply cant help themselves but fall for the bait and react/respond to the trolls and thereby feed them. They should simply be ignored. Think about it, it you were with an annoying person in a pub, would you keep talking to them or would you ignore them?

100% agree.
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or maybe they jus non conformist with the majority..everyone has opinions n are entitled to them whether we agree with them or not.....it dont mean that person should be slated or ridiculed..jus because a person has opinions dont mean that person is a troll....in fact jus because someone says something that you dont like n you slate them because of it dont it sorta make you worse then the original poster

Wise wise words.
Agreed :thumbup:
In the same way that there are Forum trolls who post contentious things, there are Forum bores who post the same crap over and over to anyone who doesn't fit their mould. Then there are the ones that follow some members around like a dog, licking their arse every time they say anything, even if it's bollox.. not that I have anything against arse licking - its nice as long as your/their bum is clean.. if not, then it's a bit yukky! :shock:
I think there's several reasons they do it (not in any particular order):
1. attention
2. boredom
3. devilment
4. popularity
5. to get their post count up so they look important
6. to lick arse
7. because it's an open minded publlic forum and they genuinely like to provoke people into thought and get their opinions on things they couldn't normally discuss elsewhere
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I did a Google search for 'forum trolls' and found quite a few helpful definitions. I particularly like this bit taken from
When trolls are completely ignored they sometimes step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed.* Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a moderator is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, we have to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself. For this reason the staff here often intervene, either with a warning in a thread, jailing one or more posts, sending private messages to offenders, and even banning people--temporarily or permanently--from these forums

*Highlighted by author.
Finally, taken from Wikipedia ....
When you try to decide if someone is a troll, strive to assume they are not. Explain errors politely and reasonably; point them towards policies, the manual of style and relevant past discussions. Do not conclude they are a troll until they have shown complete inability or unwillingness to listen to reason or to moderate their position based upon the input of others. Even in that case, it is likely better to remain silent and let others conclude the obvious instead of calling someone a troll and creating even more mayhem. It is better to humor a troll for too long than to drive away a sincere but misguided user.

I have a similar philosophy in real life which goes: Assume that every one is an idiot until proved otherwise.
Read that how you want. :lol2:
Was this thread aimed at anyone in particular?
PM's on a postcard too.....
Begins with a ......b?
:shock: Mr Kent, Im shocked an appalled at such a statement!!!!!
This happened ....quite coincidentally I might add.....at a time when theres a forum trol or 10 loose on the ebay chat boards, where i spend the majority of my board hopping time.......and I just wondered what made adults do stuff like this is all!!
really.....Im surprised at you taking a simple subject and attempting to whip it up into a frenzy!! wink
maybe im a stick in the mud as to thinking adults should act like adults dunno
Sorry Diggers....except my most sincere appologies.
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Sorry Diggers....except my most sincere appologies.

as its you.....ok lol
Wellll...
Since the Forum is now happily ready to accept slagging off us fat, ugly, disabled folk as all in all jolly good fun, harmless and entertaining I don't see what's wrong with this thread either.
After all, it is what makes the Forum go round isn't it? For the good of the site and all that...
It's just a post, the same as all the others. Or are you hinting some people shouldn't be allowed their opinion?
Gosh, must stop. Being far too provocative. ;-)
For what it's worth, I don't know if Brucie is a troll or not (I said his name! Oh lordy, strike me down!). I just despise arrogant, opinionated rudeness and won't overlook it simply because I want to fuck that person or find them attractive physically or intimidating intellectually.
But by the same token, I see no point in making an issue of it either as it just adds credence to his more hurtful statements and gives him the attention (nay, adulation of some) that he seems to crave.
Certainly as a ploy to stir things up and get himself noticed (and a following) it has worked very well, so you can't argue with results. Most people seem quite chuffed the forum seems to be buzzing again, so who therefore gives a toss if it offended a lot of people in the process? (Well I do, but I'm in the minority)
I just don't agree with how he achieved that initially. But hey ho, each to their own. Different strokes for different folks and all that. I'll try and rebuild my shattered life and move on. I can't really take issue with it. When I joined, I made a lot of noise, but chose to try and be funny and amusing. I've no doubt that annoyed just as many people as what Brucie did, but I would hope that it didn't offend.
Incidentally, different opinions have nothing to do with it. Opinions are fine, it is how you state them. Brucie could easily have said what he wanted to positively, perhaps stating he had a preference for young attractive ladies of a certain dress size. He didn't do that because it would not have got anywhere near the response. It may have been his different opinion, different take on attractiveness, but it was stated in a deliberately inflammatory, hurtful and controversial way designed to provoke and annoy. It worked well on that score, but to justify it as being "different opinions" is a bit lame. It's like saying Stalin had a different opinion to Lenin, or Hitler to Churchill, Gandhi to the Raj, Jeremy Kyle to most sane, reasonable people...
I could say my opinion is that all thin girls are anorexic drug addicts. Or that all black men are pimps all Bisexual people are just stupid and indecisive. I'd be shot down in flames for that and rightly so. But it is the same. An opinion. Just a different view of the world that some people don't agree with, which is apparently their problem for rushing to take offence, rather than mine.
In the end though, the Forum is a happy place, Brucie saved the world, some people love him and want his babies. Others hate him. Conflict breeds posts. Job done and it seems most folk are happy with it. The majority holds sway. Life goes on.
I just feel sorry for those folk who have basically been told "Yeah, you took offence or disagreed with what was stated, but please shut up and stop biting back at him. He's gorgeous don't you know!" For them to be cast as the pantomime villains of the piece, or slated as being "a forum bore" is, in my opinion, wrong and unfair. People have a right to express their opinion, even if they are supposedly fat and ugly.
It's that general perception, far moreso than Brucie's posts, that has bothered me a little.
But that's perhaps my problem and I've dealt with it and did so without feeling the need to lash out at a person or group of people to state it. That may seem paradoxical given that I've stated this here, but I'd hope that this comes across as intended, a gentle rational explanation of my feelings on the whole topic as raised by Mrs B and how events of the last few days have unfolded, rather than an attention seeking blast aimed at one person or a cross section of the forum.
worship
I think I was likely the first to post the picture of the troll and so am likely again one of the forum bores of which you speak...
I have no issue that someone has differing opinions to mine as thats what life is all about.....Different strokes for different folks...
What I did/do take issue with is the fact that those opinions have been made in such a way they have offended people in the process....
Now I know we cant go through life without ruffling a few feathers and causing offence to some but a lot of the time it isnt done deliberately as I feel has been the case here of late...
well there ya go :shock: thats my lesson for today learnt and yet still so early lol i always thought a troll was just a nekkid little doll with funky hair confused
Why do I do it?
I can be myself here....and I have the opportunity.
....and just sometimes someone drops me a PM.
............and this is the only site I visit, that is social.
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worship
I think I was likely the first to post the picture of the troll and so am likely again one of the forum bores of which you speak...
I have no issue that someone has differing opinions to mine as thats what life is all about.....Different strokes for different folks...
What I did/do take issue with is the fact that those opinions have been made in such a way they have offended people in the process....
Now I know we cant go through life without ruffling a few feathers and causing offence to some but a lot of the time it isnt done deliberately as I feel has been the case here of late...

Absolutely, Res and Steve. I repeated the troll picture, and I have no qualms in being lined up with the "boring" people who feel it is a discredit to the forum for it to be "livened up" in this way.
" some " may say " get a life ". I have no opinion really other than to say.....it seems that if you have an opinion about anything nowadays in this great country of ours, you will end up offending someone.
Well that's life I suppose, I for one really cannot see what all the fuss is about.
I do not live my life in fear of offending people, I say what I say, but I will say it to your face.
I do not go out of my way to offend, but it happens from time to time, as people can offend me and have.
The difference is that I feel I am an adult who can easily deal with name calling bollox, maybe I am more thick skinned than others and with my opinions, I have to be nowadays in Liberal hip hop Britain.
" stick and stones " used to be said in my day, but now you cannot say anything without being this ist or that ist. Sorry I think it is all rather childish behavour.
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All I`ve got to say is that I`ve started far far less insulting and contraversial threads in the past and had them locked within minutes ......
The reason given when asked...
"I could see the way this one was going..." WTF ???
It seems there are double standards here ...I post threads that I think are going to be amusing and a bit of a laugh for the evening and they get locked because somebody thinks there might be a bad word typed on the screen.
But along comes brucie and posts a load of insulting claptrap that winds loads of people up and it just gets to run and run !!
Don`t understand at all ....either we can start threads that cause a stir or we can`t, it`s just plain boring if people are making up the rules as they go along or even making up different rules for different people !! rolleyes

Totally agree Flower. I've seen threads locked for the right reasons and ones locked for reasons I could not fathom and yet others are allowed to continue (and are vehemently supported) which are plainly and obviously, offensive. I'm not the only person to have raised this point either, I was chatting to another forumite about this very thing only a day or two ago.
Mr K, as I stated above. Opinions are not the problem, it is how you choose to state them. I think anyone can deal with the "name calling bollox". Oddly enough, most fat folks encounter this fairly regularly, however I don't think anyone should have to put up with it (and worse still, have those opinions lauded), have it as part and parcel of being here or even their worthiness for being here questioned because somebody doesn't like how they look. Not when other threads, as Flower has rightly pointed out, are stopped within mini-seconds for fear of offending somebody. I think, as a grown up, some people could do well not to make such nasty comments such as that in the first place, as opposed to expecting everyone else on the site being grown up enough to deal with it when it happens.
What if Brucie had said "Anyone with a disability shouldn't be here because they offend me."? Would that have been ok? Would we have overreacted then. I'd have had the same reaction had he said it about Gay men, lesbians, The Welsh or Essex Boys. It isn't the victim that matters, it's the principle.
What is childish is doing it in the first place and then continuing to make comments of the same ilk for whatever reason. It isn't childish or judgemental to defend yourself against comments if you disagree with them. It is what you do on your political threads when someone posts against your view, and rightly so. However that's because although you may disagree vehemently with their view, you agree that they have a right to it. You don't summarily dismiss their view because they are "liberal tree eating, sandal hugging, yoghurt wearing nutters" or state that they shouldn't be here incase they offend the beautiful sensible people who agree with you? I think you encourage debate, rather than set out to insult people. That is a big difference.
I agree comments against Brucie were as bad at times as those he made. But why is that the case? Because he made them initially and continued to do so. People got angry because of it and posted their thoughts. We're they wrong to do that? Should they have just said "Well, being fat and ugly, he has a point. I should just fuck off from here and stay in Mingerville the rest of my life?"
People pay to be here for swinging & stuff. Not to be judged for how they look. Enough of that happens as a by-product in swinging anyway and to pick on those who are perhaps more vulnerable and lack some confidence is shabby, immature and pathetic.
As Flower says, it seems odd some posts are stopped immediately, while others are allowed to run, even praised and lauded, when they are as offensive, if not more so, as others. There is a discrepancy there that is yet to be explained fully and I doubt ever will be.
You may have thick skin Mr K, but it doesn't mean everyone else has or that they should have to put up with insults, intended or not, and then be accused of being childish or moaners if they make an issue of it, especially when in the past far more harmless threads have been stopped for fear of offending the genteel sensibilities of the folk on here.
Anyway, I'm off to weep into my hanky and to try and "get a life". :roll:
Incidentally, I wasn't "making a fuss" which is why I put my post here, tucked away in a quiet old Forum and after several days consideration. It is also why I stated pretty much what I did in the final couple of sentences. I just do not think it is fair that people are insulted and then vilified for taking offence at the insult or insultor, simply because the person who did it is judged to be new, popular or shaggable.
And unlike some, I will name folks on here rather than state they will name them and then hide behind the "some may say" remarks.
Oh and I'm not making any more of a fuss than any other comment on the forum. Why is it when you disagree with something bad it is a "fuss" but when you agree it is either an "opinion", a "popular thread" or in some cases "sucking up". Strange eh?
I thought the forum was all about discussing contentious issues? Isn't that just as fussy?
But you know I love you Mr K and I'll forgive you anything. Just remember not to frighten Mrs K when you let David Cameron out of your bedroom wardrobe... ;-)
Oddly enough, I'm not actually raising these points because I give a toss. I really don't. I come here for a giggle Mr K, not sex and I'm big enough, old enough and intelligent enough to deal with any petty sniping anyone wishes to make. Brucie can do what he likes and say what he likes. That doesn't bother me. What does bother me is the general feeling that because Brucie is now popular, shaggable and funny, what he says is somehow justifiable and those who did take offence (which if you look at the threads, were more than a few people brave enough to contribute) are the villains of the piece. I just think that is unfair. So I said so. I didn't offend anybody, or slag anybody off, I stated my view as a grown up. I can disagree with people and still love them Mr K.
You should know that...
Sweetcheeks :inlove:
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Wellll...
Since the Forum is now happily ready to accept slagging off us fat, ugly, disabled folk as all in all jolly good fun, harmless and entertaining I don't see what's wrong with this thread either.
After all, it is what makes the Forum go round isn't it? For the good of the site and all that...
It's just a post, the same as all the others. Or are you hinting some people shouldn't be allowed their opinion?
Gosh, must stop. Being far too provocative. ;-)
For what it's worth, I don't know if Brucie is a troll or not (I said his name! Oh lordy, strike me down!). I just despise arrogant, opinionated rudeness and won't overlook it simply because I want to fuck that person or find them attractive physically or intimidating intellectually.
But by the same token, I see no point in making an issue of it either as it just adds credence to his more hurtful statements and gives him the attention (nay, adulation of some) that he seems to crave.
Certainly as a ploy to stir things up and get himself noticed (and a following) it has worked very well, so you can't argue with results. Most people seem quite chuffed the forum seems to be buzzing again, so who therefore gives a toss if it offended a lot of people in the process? (Well I do, but I'm in the minority)
I just don't agree with how he achieved that initially. But hey ho, each to their own. Different strokes for different folks and all that. I'll try and rebuild my shattered life and move on. I can't really take issue with it. When I joined, I made a lot of noise, but chose to try and be funny and amusing. I've no doubt that annoyed just as many people as what Brucie did, but I would hope that it didn't offend.
Incidentally, different opinions have nothing to do with it. Opinions are fine, it is how you state them. Brucie could easily have said what he wanted to positively, perhaps stating he had a preference for young attractive ladies of a certain dress size. He didn't do that because it would not have got anywhere near the response. It may have been his different opinion, different take on attractiveness, but it was stated in a deliberately inflammatory, hurtful and controversial way designed to provoke and annoy. It worked well on that score, but to justify it as being "different opinions" is a bit lame. It's like saying Stalin had a different opinion to Lenin, or Hitler to Churchill, Gandhi to the Raj, Jeremy Kyle to most sane, reasonable people...
I could say my opinion is that all thin girls are anorexic drug addicts. Or that all black men are pimps all Bisexual people are just stupid and indecisive. I'd be shot down in flames for that and rightly so. But it is the same. An opinion. Just a different view of the world that some people don't agree with, which is apparently their problem for rushing to take offence, rather than mine.
In the end though, the Forum is a happy place, Brucie saved the world, some people love him and want his babies. Others hate him. Conflict breeds posts. Job done and it seems most folk are happy with it. The majority holds sway. Life goes on.
I just feel sorry for those folk who have basically been told "Yeah, you took offence or disagreed with what was stated, but please shut up and stop biting back at him. He's gorgeous don't you know!" For them to be cast as the pantomime villains of the piece, or slated as being "a forum bore" is, in my opinion, wrong and unfair. People have a right to express their opinion, even if they are supposedly fat and ugly.
It's that general perception, far moreso than Brucie's posts, that has bothered me a little.
But that's perhaps my problem and I've dealt with it and did so without feeling the need to lash out at a person or group of people to state it. That may seem paradoxical given that I've stated this here, but I'd hope that this comes across as intended, a gentle rational explanation of my feelings on the whole topic as raised by Mrs B and how events of the last few days have unfolded, rather than an attention seeking blast aimed at one person or a cross section of the forum.

I am glad you said it... because I have been thinking exactly the same thing..... which is why i just can't be bothered with it all, and if this is what the forum is going to descend to, then quite frankly its not one i want to be part off...
I was trying to think was is the difference between him and the last forum troll/attention whore "truescorpio" ... and the answer in my head is nothing, they both went about it the same way, both annoyed and upset people... both made grossly inaccurate statements..
heck some of those with larger personalities seem to fancy him... he gets a pass for all the nasty things he said, so much for consistancy.... mind you i suppose that say as much about them
well.. for me, an arse is an arse is an arse....... and I am not going to change that opinion....
Res, earlier on you made reference to folk treating Brucie differently once they realised he was shaggable. Can you tell me to whom you were alluding?
Cheers
Ben
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Res, earlier on you made reference to folk treating Brucie differently once they realised he was shaggable. Can you tell me to whom you were alluding?
Cheers
Ben

Hiya Ben,
I've read through my posts and I can't see where I said that... I did say;
"I just do not think it is fair that people are insulted and then vilified for taking offence at the insult or insultor, simply because the person who did it is judged to be new, popular or shaggable.
And unlike some, I will name folks on here rather than state they will name them and then hide behind the "some may say" remarks."
Is that what you mean?
I don't think that implies anybody treated him one way initially and then treated him differently when they discovered he was "shaggable". What I mean is people liked him and people didn't based on what he said and the reaction he created, for whatever reason (new, popular or shaggable- or indeed any of these in combination, I could have added more like funny, amusing, controversial but I didn't want to labour the point)
I'm sorry to be devils advocate here Ben, but it does sound rather like a leading question somewhat, as if you want me to name names to cause offense, inflame the situation or upset to people, or for another reason I am yet to fathom (make me look cowardly perhaps when I refuse to do so? Oh the twisted demons of my deluded mind!). Some people love what Brucie did, some don't. I am in the latter category. It doesn't mean that I don't like or respect those who have a different opinion. I just stated my reasons for believing what I do.
Even people I disagree with are precious and I like to treat them that way. I take issue with the opinion and not the holder of the opinion.
It's fairly self-evident who like what Brucie has done, a quick skim of the thread will do that Ben. Or do you want me to state things like "Isn't Bloke a bit silly? Oh and that Kenty sucking up! Tsk! And I expected more of Poshkate, Nola, Splendid and co! And as for that Sassy, does she know what team she's on! Tsk!! And look at Mrs B and Cherry moaning away... And that Fabio... Tsk! The cheek!" Will that do? I think I've offended most people there. That should excite a few who enjoy a good bout of bloodletting.
There's a fair few from all sides of the argument, who can now come on here and take offence and call me a deranged, delusional twat if that is what you wanted. Not that I believe they will for a moment, I think they are mature enough to know that I disagree and not lose a moments sleep over it and not go all quiet and sullen and send me PM's accusing me of being a traitor of the worst kind and if they do, then I'll just tell them that I still have the photographs of them and the MP's and the papers are only a phone call away.
Or would you like a list of teams for the great Brucie Smackdown event? All those people in spandex and baby oil eh? Now I see where you were going with this Ben, you naughty boy! wink
And with that rather tasteless image, I'll bid you goodnight because I'm off for a drinky-poo!
Any abusive PM's you know where my mailbox is.
(PS. I love you all really, no I do. And I love this place too. Right down to the little hairs on the tip of your nosey wosey...)
Rezzer the trolling gobshite
xxx
Flower
"I just do not think it is fair that people are insulted and then vilified for taking offence at the insult or insultor, simply because the person who did it is judged to be new, popular or shaggable."
I might have misinterpreted it i was tired by chapter 7. lol