So..................Ian Duncan Smith, you know that Tory Minister in charge of Welfare reforms for the Tory's, reckons he can live on £53 a week.
Mr Duncan Smith, who earns £134,000 a year and lives in a £2million Tudor country house with wife Betsy, a member of the aristocratic Fremantle family, has made this silly statement that he could do this. There is now an on line petition that has now be signed by over people asking him to do exactly that.
He is of course now backtracking on this and rubbishing the petition, as he would. I reckon he should be made to do it for a couple of months, as it is so easy to be smug when dealing with poor people's lives when you go home to a 2 million pound house with pots of money in your bank account.
So........who here could live on £53 a week? Should this Tory minister put his morals where his mouth is? Or should he just continue with the reforms but keep his big gob shut whilst doing it? He certainly has made himself look a right twat by his comments, and so out of touch with the poorest in society but he don't give a shit. Oh and the link for the website if anyone wants to sign the petition is here.
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Quote by starlightcouple
What is the £53 for ? Is it just for food or all bills ?
I am presuming this has been in the news recently but i havn't seen much news for a while so must hve missed it !
Here you are.
I don't see anywhere in that link that tells me what the £53 is for though
I have no knowledge of what benefits there are hence my question.
Quote by nellie-mwgc
What is the £53 for ? Is it just for food or all bills ?
I am presuming this has been in the news recently but i havn't seen much news for a while so must hve missed it !
Here you are.
I don't see anywhere in that link that tells me what the £53 is for though
I have no knowledge of what benefits there are hence my question.
Hows that? It seems he would have to live on that after housing costs which I presume means rent and rates.
So things like gas and electric and food and travel to the Job Centre every week, would be paid out of his £53.
I could probably do it for a week or two, but it would be tough. It is all well and good though IDS saying he could do it, but could he do it for months on end like so many do? If it was that easy he would put his fat money where his even bigger mouth is and take up the challenge. He is now horrified to see the online petition crawling towards half a million people, and remember it only needs to spark a Commons debate.
Come on Smithy........
Quote by stars arse
So..................Ian Duncan Smith, you know that Tory Minister in charge of Welfare reforms for the Tory's, reckons he can live on £53 a week.
You should start about thinking getting the quotations right by now star.
He said he could do it if be had to - as indeed many do have to.
And why be so nasty about IDS?
His father was a distinguished and well decorated WW2 fighter pilot whose rise to fame and fortune was by his own efforts. An example to us all and I couldn't care a flying fuck if that sticks in your craw as a self confessed Farage communist.
Quote by stars arse
So..................Ian Duncan Smith, you know that Tory Minister in charge of Welfare reforms for the Tory's, reckons he can live on £53 a week.
Quote by GnV
You should start about thinking getting the quotations right by now star.
He said he could do it if be had to - as indeed many do have to.
" he could do it " well then not far short of people on an online petition are asking him to do exactly that. But he is backtracking as with most Tory MP's they engage gob before engaging ones brain.
Quote by GnV
And why be so nasty about IDS?
Are you for real?
Quote by GnV
His father was a distinguished and well decorated WW2 fighter pilot whose rise to fame and fortune was by his own efforts. An example to us all and I couldn't care a flying fuck if that sticks in your craw as a self confessed Farage communist.
What has his Father got to do with anything? I don't give a toss if his Father invented penicillin it has nothing to do with the debate, I am sure Peter Sutcliff's Father was also a very nice man, but his Son was still a murdering scumbag.
To be honest GnV, you are starting to make yourself seem like a bit of a stalker. Go feed the ducks today and get away from the computer....I promise I will still be here later when you get back home. Go on a bit of fresh air will do you the power of good. :bounce:
"if he had to"
You missed the important bit star, which of course, you always do if if doesn't fit your little box.
Talking of little boxes.....
Men with small penis' always try to make themselves out to bigger than they are. My guess is that you fall into that category.
BTW, we eat duck here (and very nice it is too). We don't feed them down the park. :lol2:
You missed the important bit star, which of course, you always do if if doesn't fit your little box.
Talking of little boxes.....
Men with small penis' always try to make themselves out to bigger than they are. My guess is that you fall into that category.
BTW, we eat duck here (and very nice it is too). We don't feed them down the park. :lol2:
He doesnt have to live on £53 a week because he sorted it out .. you still whining about how much free cash you get there star .. you cant whinge about the amount .. its free!! Or your subsidised rent too.
Again .. who lacks morals .. someone not having to survive on £53 a week and doing well by grafting hard .. or an embarrassment complaining about hand outs not willing to stop whinging and provide more for his family .. id be embarrassed to let my family see me on freebies and that is driving force enough to ensure it never happens.
Who is the twat .. someone whinging about only getting £53 a week or someone in a mansion not worrying about the bills or the waitrose shopping ..
The freebies here are coming to an end at last ... lets see them whinge when they have to pay full rent and bills and feed themselves .. once again embarrassing star ..
Shameful behaviour and if you do ever pay full rent and bill and manage to feed yourself then be skint .. then whinge .. thats deserved .. on freebies and whinging .. only deserve ridicule and shame ..
Must be surely
Again .. who lacks morals .. someone not having to survive on £53 a week and doing well by grafting hard .. or an embarrassment complaining about hand outs not willing to stop whinging and provide more for his family .. id be embarrassed to let my family see me on freebies and that is driving force enough to ensure it never happens.
Who is the twat .. someone whinging about only getting £53 a week or someone in a mansion not worrying about the bills or the waitrose shopping ..
The freebies here are coming to an end at last ... lets see them whinge when they have to pay full rent and bills and feed themselves .. once again embarrassing star ..
Shameful behaviour and if you do ever pay full rent and bill and manage to feed yourself then be skint .. then whinge .. thats deserved .. on freebies and whinging .. only deserve ridicule and shame ..
Must be surely
Quote by starlightcouple
What is the £53 for ? Is it just for food or all bills ?
I am presuming this has been in the news recently but i havn't seen much news for a while so must hve missed it !
Here you are.
I don't see anywhere in that link that tells me what the £53 is for though
I have no knowledge of what benefits there are hence my question.
Hows that? It seems he would have to live on that after housing costs which I presume means rent and rates.
So things like gas and electric and food and travel to the Job Centre every week, would be paid out of his £53.
I could probably do it for a week or two, but it would be tough. It is all well and good though IDS saying he could do it, but could he do it for months on end like so many do? If it was that easy he would put his fat money where his even bigger mouth is and take up the challenge. He is now horrified to see the online petition crawling towards half a million people, and remember it only needs to spark a Commons debate.
Come on Smithy........
I have highlighted the bit in red as I believe if the job center is to far to walk to, you can ask if your claim day can be done online. You can also claim back any fares for job interviews by communicated with your job center.
I don't think however you are entitled to claim for fares for a trip to town to meet friends for a pint. So proof it is an actual interview would be needed.
Sex God
I'm no fan of IDS. I think he is arrogant and up his own arse, but in fairness to the guy he has been completely misquoted on this occasion.
The today programme is still available for the next 5 days and IDS was asked the question at the 2h 37m point.
He was asked 'could you survive on £53 per week and he replied 'If I had to I would'. Which is no different to the rest of us and in my view a perfectly reasonable answer. We would all do it if we had too, because what's the alternative? Not to survive maybe?
What's worth remembering in this case is that the guy that asked the question, through the presenter, is getting £52 per week in housing benefit to assist with his rent. It is not his only income and there is no mention in the interview as to what other benefits he receives or may be eligible for. I suspect that through his employment and (possible) other benefits that he does have more than £53 per week to survive on.
The today programme is still available for the next 5 days and IDS was asked the question at the 2h 37m point.
He was asked 'could you survive on £53 per week and he replied 'If I had to I would'. Which is no different to the rest of us and in my view a perfectly reasonable answer. We would all do it if we had too, because what's the alternative? Not to survive maybe?
What's worth remembering in this case is that the guy that asked the question, through the presenter, is getting £52 per week in housing benefit to assist with his rent. It is not his only income and there is no mention in the interview as to what other benefits he receives or may be eligible for. I suspect that through his employment and (possible) other benefits that he does have more than £53 per week to survive on.
Quote by GnV
Talking of little boxes.....
Men with small penis' always try to make themselves out to bigger than they are. My guess is that you fall into that category.
Well i am more than happy to take a picture showing my face and dick for all to see on here, if you do the same mate. Will let others judge who has the smallest dick You're not going to do an IDS on me now and backtrack are you?
What made me chuckle was a comment you made in the beard thread ...
Quote by GnV
Full set here and had a beard for nearly 40 years.
I got it now..............You're Uncle Albert.
:rotflmao::rotflmao:Quote by VoyeurJ
He doesnt have to live on £53 a week because he sorted it out .. you still whining about how much free cash you get there star .. you cant whinge about the amount .. its free!! Or your subsidised rent too.
Again .. who lacks morals .. someone not having to survive on £53 a week and doing well by grafting hard .. or an embarrassment complaining about hand outs not willing to stop whinging and provide more for his family .. id be embarrassed to let my family see me on freebies and that is driving force enough to ensure it never happens.
Who is the twat .. someone whinging about only getting £53 a week or someone in a mansion not worrying about the bills or the waitrose shopping ..
The freebies here are coming to an end at last ... lets see them whinge when they have to pay full rent and bills and feed themselves .. once again embarrassing star ..
Shameful behaviour and if you do ever pay full rent and bill and manage to feed yourself then be skint .. then whinge .. thats deserved .. on freebies and whinging .. only deserve ridicule and shame ..
Must be surely
So Voyeur let us presume that what you have written above is true for all the benefit scroungers and general layabouts with the bad back syndromes. What about the genuine disabled people who have to survive on that amount of money? To choose between heating and food.
You are so out of touch with reality that you cannot differentiate between those who need and those that take. There are a lot of people out there in dire need of help and yet you would put them in the same bracket as every other benefit scrounger. Of all the people I would love to see in the low paid bracket, you are certainly up there. No compassion and someone like TH who does not give a toss about those less well of than yourself. Lets hope you don't find yourself in that same category then if God forbid you found yourself disabled some point in your life.
I'm alright Jack was certainly made up for the uncaring and selfish in society.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
What is the £53 for ? Is it just for food or all bills ?
I am presuming this has been in the news recently but i havn't seen much news for a while so must hve missed it !
Here you are.
I don't see anywhere in that link that tells me what the £53 is for though
I have no knowledge of what benefits there are hence my question.
Hows that? It seems he would have to live on that after housing costs which I presume means rent and rates.
So things like gas and electric and food and travel to the Job Centre every week, would be paid out of his £53.
I could probably do it for a week or two, but it would be tough. It is all well and good though IDS saying he could do it, but could he do it for months on end like so many do? If it was that easy he would put his fat money where his even bigger mouth is and take up the challenge. He is now horrified to see the online petition crawling towards half a million people, and remember it only needs to spark a Commons debate.
Come on Smithy........
I have highlighted the bit in red as I believe if the job center is to far to walk to, you can ask if your claim day can be done online. You can also claim back any fares for job interviews by communicated with your job center.
I don't think however you are entitled to claim for fares for a trip to town to meet friends for a pint. So proof it is an actual interview would be needed.
Yes I have looked and it seems that you can indeed claim back your fares for interviews and for signing on as it were. Also you are correct in that reimbursing fares does not include meeting your mates in town for a drink.
Sex God
BUT BACK ON TOPIC.
I do think that Gov. Ministers of whichever party should get down and dirty with the ordinary folk for whichever Dept they represent.
We know that Parliment has long holidays. Why should the Minister for Health not push a trolley in his local hospital for a couple of weeks per year. Why not the Minister for Defence having to live in Service Housing for two weeks or be on board a Warship in a bunk for that time?
So if IDS is in charge of the Social Security Dept, I'd have no objections to him having to live on the amount that he says is fair for claimants. Personally I'd have him billeted in the home of someone who has to care for a disabled relative, who might be now having to pay extra for the "spare" bedroom. Then at least IDS could stand up in Parliment and say "yes, I've seen first hand that the amount of money provided is plenty for people to live on"..................or not.
John
I do think that Gov. Ministers of whichever party should get down and dirty with the ordinary folk for whichever Dept they represent.
We know that Parliment has long holidays. Why should the Minister for Health not push a trolley in his local hospital for a couple of weeks per year. Why not the Minister for Defence having to live in Service Housing for two weeks or be on board a Warship in a bunk for that time?
So if IDS is in charge of the Social Security Dept, I'd have no objections to him having to live on the amount that he says is fair for claimants. Personally I'd have him billeted in the home of someone who has to care for a disabled relative, who might be now having to pay extra for the "spare" bedroom. Then at least IDS could stand up in Parliment and say "yes, I've seen first hand that the amount of money provided is plenty for people to live on"..................or not.
John
Quote by starlightcouple
What is the £53 for ? Is it just for food or all bills ?
I am presuming this has been in the news recently but i havn't seen much news for a while so must hve missed it !
Here you are.
I don't see anywhere in that link that tells me what the £53 is for though
I have no knowledge of what benefits there are hence my question.
Hows that? It seems he would have to live on that after housing costs which I presume means rent and rates.
So things like gas and electric and food and travel to the Job Centre every week, would be paid out of his £53.
I could probably do it for a week or two, but it would be tough. It is all well and good though IDS saying he could do it, but could he do it for months on end like so many do? If it was that easy he would put his fat money where his even bigger mouth is and take up the challenge. He is now horrified to see the online petition crawling towards half a million people, and remember it only needs to spark a Commons debate.
Come on Smithy........
I have highlighted the bit in red as I believe if the job center is to far to walk to, you can ask if your claim day can be done online. You can also claim back any fares for job interviews by communicated with your job center.
I don't think however you are entitled to claim for fares for a trip to town to meet friends for a pint. So proof it is an actual interview would be needed.
Yes I have looked and it seems that you can indeed claim back your fares for interviews and for signing on as it were. Also you are correct in that reimbursing fares does not include meeting your mates in town for a drink.
Hmm..can never just pick up the bit I want to comment on........... just a few points that need clarifying
* Fares cannot be reimbursed for signing on/back to work interviews unless they are at a different location to where you normally sign every 2 weeks. Daily bus tickets cannot be used as god forbid you might use them to go elsewhere, individual tickets only, if you drive there you receive per mile but you cannot claim for the cost of the car park ticket ( most bk to work interviews are over an hr long, resulting in a 2hr car park ticket)
* As for claiming back fares to attend job interviews, this in itself is in principle, not in practise. Three weeks ago I had an interview 10 miles from my home, I enquired about this & was told you could only claim fares back if the said interview was in a different borough to where you reside....ok fair enough. Last week I had an interview in a neighbouring borough (total distance 28 miles) again I enquired about help with fares & was told ahhhh that borough is not part of the 'claim back scheme' I had to attend for 2 days of interviews..petrol costs & parking fees cost me £30.
This £30 came out of my big 'illiterate dole dwellers' scrounger dole of £56 per week.
I attempt to survive on just £3 more than IDS reckons he could...the difference is I attempt it every single week.
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Hmm..can never just pick up the bit I want to comment on........... just a few points that need clarifying
* Fares cannot be reimbursed for signing on/back to work interviews unless they are at a different location to where you normally sign every 2 weeks. Daily bus tickets cannot be used as god forbid you might use them to go elsewhere, individual tickets only, if you drive there you receive per mile but you cannot claim for the cost of the car park ticket ( most bk to work interviews are over an hr long, resulting in a 2hr car park ticket)
* As for claiming back fares to attend job interviews, this in itself is in principle, not in practise. Three weeks ago I had an interview 10 miles from my home, I enquired about this & was told you could only claim fares back if the said interview was in a different borough to where you reside....ok fair enough. Last week I had an interview in a neighbouring borough (total distance 28 miles) again I enquired about help with fares & was told ahhhh that borough is not part of the 'claim back scheme' I had to attend for 2 days of interviews..petrol costs & parking fees cost me £30.
This £30 came out of my big 'illiterate dole dwellers' scrounger dole of £56 per week.
I attempt to survive on just £3 more than IDS reckons he could...the difference is I attempt it every single week.
Thanks for that Whiplash.
I can only imagine what it makes you feel like when people on here with money and a job, take issue with the likes of your good self for being that so called dole scrounger. I bet it makes you bloody angry.
Quote by VoyeurJ
He doesnt have to live on £53 a week because he sorted it out .. you still whining about how much free cash you get there star .. you cant whinge about the amount .. its free!! Or your subsidised rent too.
Again .. who lacks morals .. someone not having to survive on £53 a week and doing well by grafting hard .. or an embarrassment complaining about hand outs not willing to stop whinging and provide more for his family .. id be embarrassed to let my family see me on freebies and that is driving force enough to ensure it never happens.
Who is the twat .. someone whinging about only getting £53 a week or someone in a mansion not worrying about the bills or the waitrose shopping ..
The freebies here are coming to an end at last ... lets see them whinge when they have to pay full rent and bills and feed themselves .. once again embarrassing star ..
Shameful behaviour and if you do ever pay full rent and bill and manage to feed yourself then be skint .. then whinge .. thats deserved .. on freebies and whinging .. only deserve ridicule and shame ..
Must be surely
There are many out of work that given a chance would 'graft hard' but simply put there is not enough 'work' to go round.
Personally speaking I think the majority of people on benefits should be given an payment increase, it just does not seem enough to survive with any degree of ease/dignity. As long as they're actively seeking work, doing their best to get along and not making a nuisance of themselves by way of commiting crime they should not be written off as 'dole dossers' or n'er do wells? or lumped in as 'scroungers' and I would gladly pay a little bit more to support the rise.
Quite how the Govt expect people already on the poverty line to now find more money to pay a percentage towards council tax (initself flawed) and those in council housing to pay a 'bedroom tax' all from their meagre benefits and benefits which are set to fall even further behind next year with the less than inflation rise...well it's anyones guess.
Quote by Toots
Quite how the Govt expect people already on the poverty line to now find more money to pay a percentage towards council tax (initself flawed) and those in council housing to pay a 'bedroom tax' all from their meagre benefits and benefits which are set to fall even further behind next year with the less than inflation rise...well it's anyones guess.
My Daughter is going to have to pay an additional £14 a week on the bedroom tax, and a further £9 a week towards her Council tax. All well and good you might say until I tell you she gets £79 a week and she has to pay gas and electric out of that as well as her food and now these additional things. Thankfully I and her Mother will help her out. But when she went to her Housing association to see if there were any 1 bed roomed flats available, the answer was a big zero. What would happen to her or the likes of her without any additional help from friends or family?
All well and good bringing this new tax in, but people have very little choice as there are not smaller properties for them to move into.
Quote by starlightcouple
Quite how the Govt expect people already on the poverty line to now find more money to pay a percentage towards council tax (initself flawed) and those in council housing to pay a 'bedroom tax' all from their meagre benefits and benefits which are set to fall even further behind next year with the less than inflation rise...well it's anyones guess.
My Daughter is going to have to pay an additional £14 a week on the bedroom tax, and a further £9 a week towards her Council tax. All well and good you might say until I tell you she gets £79 a week and she has to pay gas and electric out of that as well as her food and now these additional things. Thankfully I and her Mother will help her out. But when she went to her Housing association to see if there were any 1 bed roomed flats available, the answer was a big zero. What would happen to her or the likes of her without any additional help from friends or family?
All well and good bringing this new tax in, but people have very little choice as there are not smaller properties for them to move into.
But there again, is there a 'joined up' system?
Is it possible that someone is living in a singled bedroom accommodation who requires a two bed with whom your daughter could swap?
The thing is.....if you agree with the amount or not....IDS could learn from the saying
" Those in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones " .... A great number of the people now struggling on this money are people who have been paying taxes for last 30/40 years, but now, partly because of the governments policys, now find themselves out of work, and no matter how hard they try, unable to find alternative employment.
" Those in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones " .... A great number of the people now struggling on this money are people who have been paying taxes for last 30/40 years, but now, partly because of the governments policys, now find themselves out of work, and no matter how hard they try, unable to find alternative employment.
Quote by GnV
Is it possible that someone is living in a singled bedroom accommodation who requires a two bed with whom your daughter could swap?
If only things were that simple. Ask any housing Association and they will say that one bed roomed properties are like gold dust and people are simply not giving them up. She cannot even move out and go to private accommodation as the changes have happened there as well, with the lower amounts now paid to private landlords. Whichever way she turns she is going to be worse off, and that is from someone who has been assessed and cannot work, of which I will not go into why on here.
So she is deemed not to be able to work and yet fit enough to have her money stopped by benefit reductions on an already feeble amount. I think she will be left with even less than the £53 a week that IDS reckons he could if he had to, live on.
Quote by Toots
Is that a serious question Toots?
Do you watch any regional/national news?
Do you look around your own neighbourhood for example?
It has been well covered within the media about the lack of one bedroomed social housing, I know my own local council demolished the majority of one bedroomed properties for singles/couples to make way for bungalows for the over 65's.
This may free up a few larger properties for families but it does not provide affordable accomodation for those that do not have children.
Even 2 bedroomed properties provided by the local authority are scarce in comparison to 3 bedroomed properties.
Quote by starlightcouple
[. Ask any housing Association and they will say that one bed roomed properties are like gold dust and people are simply not giving them up
Quote by Toots
How many housing officers have you asked?
I have not asked any but the tv programme a couple of weeks ago interviewed four separate families and the affect the bed room tax will have on their lives. I am sure it was a BBC show and it asked Housing Associations about their housing stocks, and the one bed room properties were gold dust, their words not mine.
