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Sexpert
Je suis Charlie
1 million copies of Charlie Hebdo will be printed for circulation next Wednesday.
I hope they will be available in the UK and that you will show some solidarity by buying a copy.
I'll be getting my copy here in France whilst remembering those fine people who were butchered in cold blood a week earlier.
I hope they will be available in the UK and that you will show some solidarity by buying a copy.
I'll be getting my copy here in France whilst remembering those fine people who were butchered in cold blood a week earlier.
After the show of solidarity in towns and villages all over France today making a stand against terror (over 2.5 million in Paris alone), let's hope that those less well informed about the beautiful French people will now eat their words.
To hear the Marseillaise being sung spontaneously not only in our small local commune by a vast crowd, but up and down the land as a mark of defiance against those who wish ill of the French gives my goosebumps goosebumps.
This outpouring of strength and unity and the show of strength of the mighty French state makes me proud to be a resident here and less fearful for my safety than I ever did in the UK and on those increasingly rare occasions I venture back.
Vive la France!, Vive la Republique!
To hear the Marseillaise being sung spontaneously not only in our small local commune by a vast crowd, but up and down the land as a mark of defiance against those who wish ill of the French gives my goosebumps goosebumps.
This outpouring of strength and unity and the show of strength of the mighty French state makes me proud to be a resident here and less fearful for my safety than I ever did in the UK and on those increasingly rare occasions I venture back.
Vive la France!, Vive la Republique!
Sexpert
Quote by GnV
1 million copies of Charlie Hebdo will be printed for circulation next Wednesday.
I hope they will be available in the UK and that you will show some solidarity by buying a copy.
I'll be getting my copy here in France whilst remembering those fine people who were butchered in cold blood a week earlier.
I will show my solidarity by not buying a copy! Let me explain.
I find much satire to be the preserve of a very clicky set, it is produced by the sudo intelligent for the sudo intelligent. It is never positive and always seeks to poke a withering finger at others. I reserve the right to continue to find much satire quite repulsive and I reserve the right not to purchase something I don’t like.
That said, I have no problem in such magazines existing or indeed people enjoying the content. I would fight for my right to be satirised by such publications as it is there right in a free society to do this. I would fight for their right to satirise me and not feel threatened in doing so.
This is what a free and democratic society should be! To be able to talk openly and freely about grievances without fear or favour. To openly criticise without fear of retribution. Through this, consensus is found and a common aim identified.
In my view, the people who planned, organised and ultimately undertook this barbaric act should be deemed unfit to remain part of the human race. To excuse their actions by the use of religion does nothing but insult all who follow a religion. This was not done for the glory of god, it was done for the glory of a few individuals who will give their own lives to stop us leading ours the way we want to.
I will stand up for the right to publish satirical magazines and for my right to criticise there content.
JE SUIS CHARLIE
In a word (or two) herts, from the celebrated philosopher François-Marie Arouet aka Voltaire, your post can be summarised by saying "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
I couldn't agree more.
I'm sure there are many who will show their solidarity in different ways but hopefully few who will do so like Obama wearing slippers watching football on the telly whist other world leaders - even those who are sworn enemies like the leaders of Israel and Palestine - gathered in Paris in support of peace.
Isn't it poignant that when the WTC towers were hit, one of the first world leaders to visit the States in person in the aftermath to stand with America against the outrage was Jaques Chirac, then President of France. What a shame that the Commander-in-chief nor his deputy could be arsed to make an effort to stand with France on this occasion. Sums up their arrogance really.
Perhaps Charlie Hebdo might reflect on that with a caricature cartoon of Obama in his tartan slippers, glass in hand, cheering on the game...
I couldn't agree more.
I'm sure there are many who will show their solidarity in different ways but hopefully few who will do so like Obama wearing slippers watching football on the telly whist other world leaders - even those who are sworn enemies like the leaders of Israel and Palestine - gathered in Paris in support of peace.
Isn't it poignant that when the WTC towers were hit, one of the first world leaders to visit the States in person in the aftermath to stand with America against the outrage was Jaques Chirac, then President of France. What a shame that the Commander-in-chief nor his deputy could be arsed to make an effort to stand with France on this occasion. Sums up their arrogance really.
Perhaps Charlie Hebdo might reflect on that with a caricature cartoon of Obama in his tartan slippers, glass in hand, cheering on the game...
Quote by GnV
In a word (or two) herts, from the celebrated philosopher François-Marie Arouet aka Voltaire, your post can be summarised by saying "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
I couldn't agree more.
I'm sure there are many who will show their solidarity in different ways but hopefully few who will do so like Obama wearing slippers watching football on the telly whist other world leaders - even those who are sworn enemies like the leaders of Israel and Palestine - gathered in Paris in support of peace.
One point, Obama's advisers/french security services may have chosen for him to stay away simply because of the logistics involved in accomodating an American president, I'm sure you've seen footage of the huge entourage of limos/armoured cars/ambulances that follow any American president in any country they visit. To do so in such a short space of time may just have proven a bridge too far/a risk too much particularly given the amount of members of the public attending.
As for world leaders showing solidarity? what a load of rubbish that all was, the linking of arms was nothing more than a cheap shoddy publicity shot highlighted by Reporters without borders who comment ' many of the heads of state and high-ranking ministers present on Sunday represent countries that themselves have highly questionable records when it comes to free speech, from the suppression of demonstrations to the imprisonment of journalists'
Source for above quote comment: Reporters without borders
There were 90 A list 'dignitaries' and enough security to cover 900 of them Toots so, whilst I hear what you say, I can't agree,
Benjamin Netanjahu is a big enough target on his own for a terrorist attack; that he made the trip shows the strength of his conviction.
The yanks are just running scared and prefer to watch football. That said, why couldn’t the Vice President or the Secretary of State make it? The SoS was already in Paris after all and both the President and VP had free diaries. Instead, they sent a disposable 'B' lister who no-one has ever heard of! There are a significant number of American ex-pats in France. They must be gutted and totally ashamed of being American.
Why did Obama get the Nobel peace prize? Many questioned it at the time and now I can see why.
Benjamin Netanjahu is a big enough target on his own for a terrorist attack; that he made the trip shows the strength of his conviction.
The yanks are just running scared and prefer to watch football. That said, why couldn’t the Vice President or the Secretary of State make it? The SoS was already in Paris after all and both the President and VP had free diaries. Instead, they sent a disposable 'B' lister who no-one has ever heard of! There are a significant number of American ex-pats in France. They must be gutted and totally ashamed of being American.
Why did Obama get the Nobel peace prize? Many questioned it at the time and now I can see why.
Perhaps it's more of a storm in a dc teacup re the relationship between France/USA
A little digging and it seems others also think it was simply a photo opportunity
and on a slightly different tangent, the likes of Charlie Hebbo would not exist in the state of Netanyahu's Israel
We're just being fed what they think we want to hear and to an extent see.
A little digging and it seems others also think it was simply a photo opportunity
and on a slightly different tangent, the likes of Charlie Hebbo would not exist in the state of Netanyahu's Israel
We're just being fed what they think we want to hear and to an extent see.
Went to get my copy of Charlie Hebdo this morning, only to find out that they had sold out quickly, as it did in the rest of France apparently. Returning home, I listen to the news to find that copies are selling on ebay for over £500, now I don't think this is right, nor what it is all about, and hope the profits that any of these arseholes make will be given to Charlie, got my doubts though, profiteering bastards.
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Went to get my copy of Charlie Hebdo this morning, only to find out that they had sold out quickly, as it did in the rest of France apparently. Returning home, I listen to the news to find that copies are selling on ebay for over £500, now I don't think this is right, nor what it is all about, and hope the profits that any of these arseholes make will be given to Charlie, got my doubts though, profiteering bastards.
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We have the same problem getting a copy too in our locale. 5 million copies gone in a flash!
Perhaps the Jahidists bought all the copies to keep it off the streets...
deepest condolences for the murdered in paris last week and deepest sympathy to all their relatives and friends.
this magazine is not a purveyor of free speech so much as and insult to whoever it chooses.
but not israel or judaism.
bibi netanyahu being at the front of a photo shoot, not the demonstration, is an insult to humanity.
the leader of a country that not only denies the majority of people living in it freedom, but bombs them regularily.
when observing such an event as happened in paris last week, i ask myself a particular question. "in who's interests does it serve ?" que bono
certainly not the palestinians. certainly not the overwhelmingly peace loving muslims of the world.
so, one was found to have appeared in a documentary by france 24 in 2005, met nickolas sarkosy in 2009. ????
they were under french intelligence surveillance for years.
the female got away to syria via turkey to join/rejoin isis ?
as i say, deepest sincere condolences to those who lost their lives and the police commander in limoges who committed suicide on the evening of the second day of his investigations into the matter.
since when, after 10 years of bombing and occupations of iraq, afghanistan, libya, syria, yemen and pakistan, did any of those leaders assembled in paris give a fuck about anyone else dying ?
this is being used as a prelude to more war and the aircraft carrier "charles de gaulle" has just been dispatched to the middle east.
when the conjurer(media and politicians) draws your attention to something, look to the side
this magazine is not a purveyor of free speech so much as and insult to whoever it chooses.
but not israel or judaism.
bibi netanyahu being at the front of a photo shoot, not the demonstration, is an insult to humanity.
the leader of a country that not only denies the majority of people living in it freedom, but bombs them regularily.
when observing such an event as happened in paris last week, i ask myself a particular question. "in who's interests does it serve ?" que bono
certainly not the palestinians. certainly not the overwhelmingly peace loving muslims of the world.
so, one was found to have appeared in a documentary by france 24 in 2005, met nickolas sarkosy in 2009. ????
they were under french intelligence surveillance for years.
the female got away to syria via turkey to join/rejoin isis ?
as i say, deepest sincere condolences to those who lost their lives and the police commander in limoges who committed suicide on the evening of the second day of his investigations into the matter.
since when, after 10 years of bombing and occupations of iraq, afghanistan, libya, syria, yemen and pakistan, did any of those leaders assembled in paris give a fuck about anyone else dying ?
this is being used as a prelude to more war and the aircraft carrier "charles de gaulle" has just been dispatched to the middle east.
when the conjurer(media and politicians) draws your attention to something, look to the side
Sexpert
Quote by gulsonroad30664
deepest condolences for the murdered in paris last week and deepest sympathy to all their relatives and friends.
this magazine is not a purveyor of free speech so much as and insult to whoever it chooses.
but not israel or judaism.
bibi netanyahu being at the front of a photo shoot, not the demonstration, is an insult to humanity.
the leader of a country that not only denies the majority of people living in it freedom, but bombs them regularily.
when observing such an event as happened in paris last week, i ask myself a particular question. "in who's interests does it serve ?" que bono
certainly not the palestinians. certainly not the overwhelmingly peace loving muslims of the world.
so, one was found to have appeared in a documentary by france 24 in 2005, met nickolas sarkosy in 2009. ????
they were under french intelligence surveillance for years.
the female got away to syria via turkey to join/rejoin isis ?
as i say, deepest sincere condolences to those who lost their lives and the police commander in limoges who committed suicide on the evening of the second day of his investigations into the matter.
since when, after 10 years of bombing and occupations of iraq, afghanistan, libya, syria, yemen and pakistan, did any of those leaders assembled in paris give a fuck about anyone else dying ?
this is being used as a prelude to more war and the aircraft carrier "charles de gaulle" has just been dispatched to the middle east.
when the conjurer(media and politicians) draws your attention to something, look to the side
Two things you say I agree with. They are Deepest condolences and Deepest sympathy.
After that I think we may differ in our views. French citizens murdered French citizens. How the French want to deal with that is up to the French. In the spirit of the Entente Cordiale, when France mourns, the British comfort.
The French have no control on how it is handled in any other country but there own. Also if citizens who carry the correct travel documents (passports, visas, work permits,diplomatic immunity and the like) as we know in this country there is little they can do to stop them. In this case, why would they when they are trying to promote a feeling of unity with the rest of the world. So it serves the French to have a show of unity.
The satire we are used to in the UK differs from that in France. It is more brutal. I don't like it but if they cross the line then the French libel courts and criminal courts will decide there fate.
You suggest this magazine attacks all but the the state of Israel and Judaism! The principle of free speech is surely that nobody can tell them who they can and can not satirise?
You assert that the vast majority of Muslims are peace loving, I think this is unquestionably true, as are the vast majority of Christians, Jews, Hindus, agnostics and the list goes on. If an attack of this nature had taken place in the name of Jesus Christ, the Christian faith can "ex communicate" them This means they can not talk to god and the actions they take is not done in the name of the holy trinity. I do not know if a similar sanction is available in the Muslim faith but in my mind these murderers are no longer part of any faith and as such I do not think any Muslim has anything to apologise for. It is worth remembering that Jesus the son of god in the Christian faith is also a prophet in the Muslim faith.
I agree with a French social commentator I heard speak on Radio 4 yesterday, possibly Charlie Hebdo missed a chance of defusing the whole situation by having the prophet Muhammad holding a plaque with the words "NOT IN MY NAME" written across it! But hey, it's a free press!
On Saturday 21st March 2015, just before I will link arms with any French person who wishes and for the first time in my life sing the Le Marseillaise as well as the National Anthem (and then hope we beat the crap out of the French in the 6 Nations)
Vive La France
Sexpert
Actually gullsonroad, perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to condemn the murderers and those who assisted them?
You don't have to, just a thought. After all you are free to do and say as you please.
You don't have to, just a thought. After all you are free to do and say as you please.
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Actually gullsonroad, perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to condemn the murderers and those who assisted them?
You don't have to, just a thought. After all you are free to do and say as you please.
To be honest herts, knowing guls controversial style of posting after quite a few years of observation, that he didn't glorify their actions is enough for me to be satisfied as to the intention of his post and I don't think he needs to do more to portray his inner feelings of disgust and dismay at the killings and the perpetrators.
Allez les Bleus!!
Quote by herts_darlings1
Actually gullsonroad, perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to condemn the murderers and those who assisted them?
You don't have to, just a thought. After all you are free to do and say as you please.
i condemn all murderers and all those who assist them !
i condemn all those who restrict free speech !
i condemn all those who lie to control us as well !
i condemn especially, all those compromised politicians who lie us into wars ! keep your senses sharpened and wait and see.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
Actually gullsonroad, perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to condemn the murderers and those who assisted them?
You don't have to, just a thought. After all you are free to do and say as you please.
i condemn all murderers and all those who assist them !
i condemn all those who restrict free speech !
i condemn all those who lie to control us as well !
i condemn especially, all those compromised politicians who lie us into wars ! keep your senses sharpened and wait and see.
How long do we have to wait Gulson?
Same old, same old!
Now I don't always agree....no let me correct that..lol...I rarely agree with what Gulson has to say. But I will always defend his right to say it. I have never seen him be offensive to others, or openly ridicule others views.
And here was me thinking this was a thread about defending The Freedom Of Speech !!!
Carry posting Gulson...rubbish or not, it at the least makes us think !!
And here was me thinking this was a thread about defending The Freedom Of Speech !!!
Carry posting Gulson...rubbish or not, it at the least makes us think !!
Sex God
I wonder how many of the people who bought the magazine this week did so in the hope of selling it for profit one day?
Quote by deancannock
Now I don't always agree....no let me correct that..lol...I rarely agree with what Gulson has to say. But I will always defend his right to say it. I have never seen him be offensive to others, or openly ridicule others views.
And here was me thinking this was a thread about defending The Freedom Of Speech !!!
Carry posting Gulson...rubbish or not, it at the least makes us think !!
Freedom of speech also allows me to comment on others' posts,
If you'd actually read Gulson's first post in this thread, you'll see that he says Charlie Hebdo was " not a purveyor of free speach so much as an insult to whorever it chooses but not Israel or Judaism" I can't see where he's defending free speach with that comment. To me it smacks more of anti semetism rather than the defence of free speach.
Now I'm sure Gulson is a regular reader of the magazine to be able to make such an observation. I have to admit I have never read it but I'm more inclined to believe the majority of commentators who state the the magazine satired all religions, including Jews.
Oh and I believe that Gulson has on more than one occasion, called anyone who doesn't agree with his views as 'sheeple' I find that very offensive.
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Now I don't always agree....no let me correct that..lol...I rarely agree with what Gulson has to say. But I will always defend his right to say it. I have never seen him be offensive to others, or openly ridicule others views.
And here was me thinking this was a thread about defending The Freedom Of Speech !!!
Carry posting Gulson...rubbish or not, it at the least makes us think !!
I have to admit I have never read it but I'm more inclined to believe the majority of commentators who state the the magazine satired all religions, including Jews.
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Perhaps you should research a little before casting stones on the comments of others, Gulsons post was far from anti-semetic but instead based on some amount of fact.
Quote by Toots
Now I don't always agree....no let me correct that..lol...I rarely agree with what Gulson has to say. But I will always defend his right to say it. I have never seen him be offensive to others, or openly ridicule others views.
And here was me thinking this was a thread about defending The Freedom Of Speech !!!
Carry posting Gulson...rubbish or not, it at the least makes us think !!
I have to admit I have never read it but I'm more inclined to believe the majority of commentators who state the the magazine satired all religions, including Jews.
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Perhaps you should research a little before casting stones on the comments of others, Gulsons post was far from anti-semetic but instead based on some amount of fact.
I was well aware of that allegation.
Maybe it's Gulson that should research his claims?
Quote by Max777
Now I don't always agree....no let me correct that..lol...I rarely agree with what Gulson has to say. But I will always defend his right to say it. I have never seen him be offensive to others, or openly ridicule others views.
And here was me thinking this was a thread about defending The Freedom Of Speech !!!
Carry posting Gulson...rubbish or not, it at the least makes us think !!
I have to admit I have never read it but I'm more inclined to believe the majority of commentators who state the the magazine satired all religions, including Jews.
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Perhaps you should research a little before casting stones on the comments of others, Gulsons post was far from anti-semetic but instead based on some amount of fact.
I was well aware of that allegation.
Maybe it's Gulson that should research his claims?
yeah, maurice sine and nicholas sarkosy come to mind. read and research a bit more max or you will end up believing stanley kubricks film "apollo moon landings"
