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Reading this news story I wonder to myself if things are being taken to the extreme....
Or are my views not extreme enough dunno
Hopefully this will stay a calm thread.
Speaking very calmly biggrin Of course it has gone too far Mallock. I wonder whether she was voluntary or not. Somehow if she was it makes it worse.
stupidity imo but its their religion/following/race so they make the rules i guess rolleyes
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stupidity imo but its their religion/following/race so they make the rules i guess rolleyes

yeah.i go along with this too..........
and they still havent decided whether she will be charged.
I dont think she'll hang about either when this saga is over. she might not be able to sit down or a bit either. come to think about it smackbottom
If someone came to our country and did not adhere to our laws, we would expect them to be given the prescribed punishment. Wether or not, we see this as right or wrong, they have their laws too.
I just hope that common sense prevails
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stupidity imo but its their religion/following/race so they make the rules i guess rolleyes

I don't think this is anything to do with race/religion. Just a few people being silly. If it were offensive, then the native colleague wouldn't have defended her.
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If someone came to our country and did not adhere to our laws, we would expect them to be given the prescribed punishment.

But are they given the prescribed punishments confused:
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stupidity imo but its their religion/following/race so they make the rules i guess rolleyes

I don't think this is anything to do with race/religion. Just a few people being silly. If it were offensive, then the native colleague wouldn't have defended her.
A British schoolteacher has been arrested in Sudan accused of insulting Islam's Prophet, after she allowed her pupils to name a teddy bear Muhammad.
taken from the news story
I can't comment. Is the name in question a sacred name? one not to be used lightly? dunno If so then yes it could well have been an innocent mistake.
Personally to be tactful I think sticking to "Ted" would be better.. but then again someone may come along and say that's wrong because people with the name Ted may not like being likened to a fat furry bear.
Yes Mallock, it's bordering ridiculous now but I can see arguments on both sides.
I wonder if they ever played the "Till Death Us Do Part" series in India?
Must've had a field day with Alf calling his missus a "silly moo"
Given that cows are sacred in India
The world's gone mad!
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What would happen here in England if a school's pet rat was called Jesus?
Are there enough touchy people to invoke blaspheme laws? Would it be successful?
Just what helnheaven said.
Also if I were the school I would be a little concerned that I had a teacher educating the children about their society (amongst other things) and the fundamentals of the religion that has the most impact on the laws was not adhered to.
It isn't any different to the many young people all over the U.K. who have been told they are not allowed to wear a hijab to school or have their hair in a certain style.
In schools in England there is education around abortions. It doesn't happen in Eire.
etc etc etc etc
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Reading this news story I wonder to myself if things are being taken to the extreme....
Or are my views not extreme enough dunno
Hopefully this will stay a calm thread.

It depends on how you define the words extreme, because different cultures see things differently, for example...
I know there was an outcry over an incident where a 14 year old boy was found guilty of stealing a jacket from a store a few years ago.... the kid was suppose to be given 10 lashes of a cane...
In "Country A" where the incident took place... no outcry what so ever, in fact they were very supportive of the sentense passed..
However the kid was "Country B".... There was a huge amount made about it back in his "country" and caused an diplomatic incident...
I know this will cause a debate... but without revealing which countries it was.... did the punishment fit the crime???
when I come back from work this evening I'll tell you which ones it was.....
The reason why I brought this up is nothing is ever as "black and white" as it seems.... so would you say that ignorance of the laws of that country is an excuse?
I do believe it was a genuine mistake......
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Reading this news story I wonder to myself if things are being taken to the extreme....
Or are my views not extreme enough dunno
Hopefully this will stay a calm thread.

It depends on how you define the words extreme, because different cultures see things differently, for example...
I know there was an outcry over an incident where a 14 year old boy was found guilty of stealing a jacket from a store a few years ago.... the kid was suppose to be given 10 lashes of a cane...
In "Country A" where the incident took place... no outcry what so ever, in fact they were very supportive of the sentense passed..
However the kid was "Country B".... There was a huge amount made about it back in his "country" and caused an diplomatic incident...
I know this will cause a debate... but without revealing which countries it was.... did the punishment fit the crime???
when I come back from work this evening I'll tell you which ones it was.....
The reason why I brought this up is nothing is ever as "black and white" as it seems.... so would you say that ignorance of the laws of that country is an excuse?
I do believe it was a genuine mistake......
you`re talking about the isle of man,where they are no longer allowed to use such punishments, whether that was due to their own enlightenment or enforced by brussels i dont know
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you`re talking about the isle of man,where they are no longer allowed to use such punishments, whether that was due to their own enlightenment or enforced by brussels i dont know

Actually I am not.... lol :lol: :lol: I know the birch hasn't been used in a while......
see... that will keep you guessing....
we should be thankful to live in a fairly secular society,but we still need to get religion less involved with our politics and especially with the brainwashing of our children which even happens in state schools as well as faith schools.
Fecking nuts and another good reason why people with extreme views should never be allowed to gain a strong foothold in our own society..
If our government does nothing to help this women we should all be ashamed to be called British!
We give aid, we help them in everyway possible and this woman makes a mistake and a genuine one at that and is being made an example of.. Shame on them I say.
It would have been enough to have a word.. a quiet one at that.. The fact this woman has spent even one night in custody makes them barbarians!
Of Course people may think different and religion is a powerful thing and in certain conditions should be respected but this! Nope...
Mike
YES…
In fact mallock its worse than extreme, and this hasn’t anything to do with laws either, it seems that peoples basics rights come second to religion?
It’s when you actually read things like this you see how we as a nation are actually lucky in a sense, what’s more annoying is the way they treat there own people for these type of crimes against their religious beliefs but on the same token think its ok to quash other religions themselves, they can burn other countries flags in a town centre and be cheered, but if they did that with there own they’d be executed.
A read at this just sums it up really
I’m just glad I’m lucky enough to have been brought up in a country where the people are more important than the religion.
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Reading this news story I wonder to myself if things are being taken to the extreme....
Or are my views not extreme enough dunno
Hopefully this will stay a calm thread.

It depends on how you define the words extreme, because different cultures see things differently, for example...
I know there was an outcry over an incident where a 14 year old boy was found guilty of stealing a jacket from a store a few years ago.... the kid was suppose to be given 10 lashes of a cane...
In "Country A" where the incident took place... no outcry what so ever, in fact they were very supportive of the sentense passed..
However the kid was "Country B".... There was a huge amount made about it back in his "country" and caused an diplomatic incident...
I know this will cause a debate... but without revealing which countries it was.... did the punishment fit the crime???
when I come back from work this evening I'll tell you which ones it was.....
The reason why I brought this up is nothing is ever as "black and white" as it seems.... so would you say that ignorance of the laws of that country is an excuse?
I do believe it was a genuine mistake......
you`re talking about the isle of man,where they are no longer allowed to use such punishments, whether that was due to their own enlightenment or enforced by brussels i dont knowIs the Isle of Man in the EEC, EU, what ever they are calling it this week?
I'm glad this has stayed on an even keel (so far anyway)...
I realise that every country has its own rules/laws that we must all adhere to when we visit/live there but I really do think they are going waaaaaay over the top with this one...
As has been said a friendly word would have sufficed as IMHO it was a genuine mistake/oversight on the teachers part..
Its not as if she set out to deliberately blaspheme or bring their religion into disrepute..
In edit...
I believe the IOM still has the power to use the birch as they are self govorning....
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I can't comment. Is the name in question a sacred name? one not to be used lightly? dunno If so then yes it could well have been an innocent mistake.

its a very popular name...the child who named it also has the same name...as far as i know i thought it was only depicting images of this prophet that were suppose to be offensive.
Just be careful not to organise a swinging party in a country where the death penalty is the standard for sex outside of marriage --- forty lashes ??? more like forty housebricks -- ouch !!!
Extreme, very bloody extreme. To have such extreme blasphemy laws just shows how insecure the religion of Islam and the people that run it are in certain countries.
It’s about the power the religious elite have over all the countries people. They interpret Islamic text to suit their ends and their ends seem to be oppression of the people instead of the general message of peace and love of the Koran.
Any one that speaks out is disposed of quickly and publicly as a deterrent to others. Makes me feel lucky to be living in a secular society, with the freedom that brings.
And yes it is another country and they have their own laws but come on wrong is wrong and both examples above are just wrong.
To stick up for it by saying “yes but that’s the law of that country” :shock: Wake up. You cannot stick up for opression no matter where it is and be a member on this site without the irony to be almost blinding.
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To stick up for it by saying “yes but that’s the law of that country” :shock: Wake up. You cannot stick up for opression no matter where it is and be a member on this site without the irony to be almost blinding.

Indeed. The irony of oppressing another countrys right to its own culture and justice system in the name of freedom escapes me not one bit.
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To stick up by saying “yes but that’s the law of that country” :shock: Wake up. You cannot stick up for opression no matter where it is and be a member on this site without the irony to be almost blinding.

Indeed. The irony of oppressing another countrys right to its own culture and justice system in the name of freedom escapes me not one bit.[/quote
sometimes what another country sees as its rights and laws have to be thought it had the right to oppress poeple from inside and outside their own lands, should we not have opposed dont automatically deserve respect,it has to be earned and deserved
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To stick up for it by saying “yes but that’s the law of that country” :shock: Wake up. You cannot stick up for oppression no matter where it is and be a member on this site without the irony to be almost blinding.

Indeed. The irony of oppressing another countrys right to its own culture and justice system in the name of freedom escapes me not one bit.
We are talking about the area of the world known as the birth place of civilisation. The culture and religion they had died/evolved. All cultures and most religions change over time some die eventually weather you like it or not things change.
There is no oppression of the countries in question; we sell a lot of them arms actively supporting the regimes. If you think its ok for people who speak out about their own oppression to be tortured and often killed, even before they get to a Mickey Mouse court, because it’s part of their culture or religion (which often it isn’t) it’s a sad day for human kind.
A human being, a fellow man or woman being tortured and killed because maybe they want to become a Christian or some other stupid thing is wrong. If you don't stand up and say its wrong it just carries on.
I don't believe freedom for freedoms sake. But if we didn't in the past stand up and say something is wrong we would have a swastika on the flag of Europe now.
There was a thread on here a little while ago on female circumcision that is prevalent in parts of Africa and is happening here as well, your augment says it’s their culture so it’s ok. It’s wrong and we should say something. Inca tribes used to have human sacrifices. If they were still around that would be ok its part of their religion. What a load of bollox. You know it’s wrong, I know it’s wrong.
i suppose if you live in a country you have to respect their laws, unless you come to this country then you can just ajust them to suit you lol what may seem extream to us may seem perfectly normal to some, reading this post it made me think of something that happened to us the other day, my husband had borrowed my ipod and he sent me a text message asking what some song was that was on it and he said theres a bit in the song that says......may the hands of god strike them down......to which he got a message from o2 telling him not to use code words that contravined the anti terrorist act 2002 and scrambled the message my end confused :shock:
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sometimes what another country sees as its rights and laws have to be thought it had the right to oppress poeple from inside and outside their own lands, should we not have opposed dont automatically deserve respect,it has to be earned and deserved

Is this an SH record for Godwin?
And if you think either world war with Germany was about freeing their people from oppression, you probably think Saddam had butt plugs of mass destruction and the coalition really did enter Baghdad on a sea of rose petals.
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i suppose if you live in a country you have to respect their laws, unless you come to this country then you can just ajust them to suit you lol what may seem extream to us may seem perfectly normal to some, reading this post it made me think of something that happened to us the other day, my husband had borrowed my ipod and he sent me a text message asking what some song was that was on it and he said theres a bit in the song that says......may the hands of god strike them down......to which he got a message from o2 telling him not to use code words that contravined the anti terrorist act 2002 and scrambled the message my end confused :shock:

:shock:
Quote by Mallock2006

Reading this news story I wonder to myself if things are being taken to the extreme....
Or are my views not extreme enough dunno
Hopefully this will stay a calm thread.

Just goes to show that some people have not come into the real world. Barbaric to say the least, and to a woman? What kind of religion allows this kind of thing to happen in 2007? Still it takes all sorts to make a world.