Just wondered what others thought about the current costing structure at clubs.
Now lets take my local and one of the most popular clubs in midlands Chameleons.
Currently excluding membership the cost of entry is:
Single ladies; £5
Single men: £30
Couples: £20
now i know its all about supply and demand to a degree. However at £30 for a single guy that makes it three times the cost of a couple, based on the fact they are paying £10 a person. Now chameleons is by no way differant to all the other clubs in this respect. I just think it is fundermently wrong. I would accept that they would charge a guy £20...the same as a couple..even thou that is still technically double. There are those that say that a club would be over-run by single guys if this was case. This is quite simple to overcomne, just restrict the numbers allowed on any one given night. If coming a distance you could even book yourself in..with reception, so as not at facilitate a long wasted journey.
Also lets not forget the guys have to pay double the membership fee as well.
I have heard a few couples recently complain about the lack of available single men, in clubs, maybe a fairer priceing structure may assist and be in the end for the good of all.
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Agreed ....
Sexlightened
Quote by deancannock
Just wondered what others thought about the current costing structure at clubs.
Now lets take my local and one of the most popular clubs in midlands Chameleons.
....... This is quite simple to overcomne, just restrict the numbers allowed on any one given night. If coming a distance you could even book yourself in..with reception, so as not at facilitate a long wasted journey.
Also lets not forget the guys have to pay double the membership fee as well.
I have heard a few couples recently complain about the lack of available single men, in clubs, maybe a fairer priceing structure may assist and be in the end for the good of all.
I think its a very simple case of - they can ! I do think that by using price there is a natural restriction on the numbers attending. This is simple capitalism – very unfair on those of limited means but I cannot see any way around the problem. (UB40 discount ? umm maybe not)
The idea of limiting single Guys sounds good in theory – but in practice it would be difficult. How many guys would ring and say I am coming (no pun intended) then not show up ? – would the club take a credit card payment first ? – and what if they were stuck on the M6 for a couple of hours- do they forfeit their place even if they make it. That is the economic argument but looking on the choice side – If 50 guys say they are coming and only 5 turn up – how is that choice – I have no ideas on the numbers so may be way out of line. From the review of clubs it actually seems that the places that try to restrict guys in number actually charge more.
So if the income from the single guys were reduced then one assumes that the couple/ single girls price would be raised – this may stop them going. Then if there are no couples / girls there the guys stop going etc… Then an empty club.
So if you can point me to the couples who say there was a lack of single men…….. :-)
I think its interesting that Chams is accepted as a great place – and I have been known to go. I think that perhaps its success is its pricing structure (and great facilities and staff of course ) but it’s the people that make a place.
Locally to me somewhere like Eurekas charges the same for guys as couples with single girls free – this also seems to work.
Other places seem to charge £50 for a guy plus masses for the membership – I think this is going way too far – not that I have been but is there even more pressure on the coupes/singles there as the blokes have paid so much ?
I guess its all a balance – if it goes wrong then the club will close.
Ok I have gabbled enough now – where my chams card…..
Alan
Quote by deancannock
Just wondered what others thought about the current costing structure at clubs.
Now lets take my local and one of the most popular clubs in midlands Chameleons.
Currently excluding membership the cost of entry is:
Single ladies; £5
Single men: £30
Couples: £20
now i know its all about supply and demand to a degree. However at £30 for a single guy that makes it three times the cost of a couple, based on the fact they are paying £10 a person. Now chameleons is by no way differant to all the other clubs in this respect. I just think it is fundermently wrong. I would accept that they would charge a guy £20...the same as a couple..even thou that is still technically double. There are those that say that a club would be over-run by single guys if this was case. This is quite simple to overcomne, just restrict the numbers allowed on any one given night. If coming a distance you could even book yourself in..with reception, so as not at facilitate a long wasted journey.
Also lets not forget the guys have to pay double the membership fee as well.
I have heard a few couples recently complain about the lack of available single men, in clubs, maybe a fairer priceing structure may assist and be in the end for the good of all.
for a single guy!!!... for a couple!!!....fuck that quite cheap...double that price and you've got the one, we visit every now and again down here in the London!
I don't know what the solution is but I think the price difference stinks.
I think they should at least make single females £10 and single men £20.
Just lately when we have been to chams, it has seemed quite quiet. Is the credit crunch stopping people from going to clubs
Maybe now would be a good time for clubs to offer some special offers :dunno:
Nice thread Dean :thumbup:
Clubs should give single guys a break :thumbup:
I think they should at least make single females £10 and single men £20.
Just lately when we have been to chams, it has seemed quite quiet. Is the credit crunch stopping people from going to clubs
Maybe now would be a good time for clubs to offer some special offers :dunno:
Nice thread Dean :thumbup:
Clubs should give single guys a break :thumbup:
Sex God
Its not so much the credit crunch here as the fact I got no-one to go with :lol2:
I cant comment on recent numbers as I havent been in ages but always felt when I go there is about the right ratio of guys/couples etc.
I wonder and I dont know the answer but would lowering the price make it more affordable for the guys that maybe arent swingers to come along thinking they have more chance of a shag there on a Friday night than up Broad St and upset the balance (not just the numbers balance) ?? Now restricting number is obviously one way and could work but how would you ensure the right guys (polite and friendly not just leechy and a follower )got in and not just the one that phones or turns up first ??
Also another question / point. As a single fem I have been asked by guys to go with them even if I dont like them as they get in cheaper and they say they wont bother when inside (I dont say yes, but I know some girls do as it saves them money too). If they lowered the price to the equal of a couple, the guys would prob pay and go alone more and the girls like me would stil go and pay too.
I wonder and I dont know the answer but would lowering the price make it more affordable for the guys that maybe arent swingers to come along thinking they have more chance of a shag there on a Friday night than up Broad St and upset the balance (not just the numbers balance) ?? Now restricting number is obviously one way and could work but how would you ensure the right guys (polite and friendly not just leechy and a follower )got in and not just the one that phones or turns up first ??
Also another question / point. As a single fem I have been asked by guys to go with them even if I dont like them as they get in cheaper and they say they wont bother when inside (I dont say yes, but I know some girls do as it saves them money too). If they lowered the price to the equal of a couple, the guys would prob pay and go alone more and the girls like me would stil go and pay too.
Sex God
I've had a look around at some of the clubs within a fair distance of myself and the single male is at a financial disadvantage. One club which has good reviews stings single men quite severly. Alas it's out of my present pocket. Pity because it does look rather spendid.
On the flip side, you only have to look at guest lists to munches and socials to see that there are an unequal number of single men to other groups. This is also a point that has been raised in other threads regarding the unequal balance of single males.
Therefore it would make sense to price out some of the single males in order to maintain a balance of clientel at a club.
One club and there may be others allow single women in for free. Is this biased, or are there a local shortage of single women on the local club scene?
Of those that have attended clubs, what are your observations regarding types and numbers of people present?
On the flip side, you only have to look at guest lists to munches and socials to see that there are an unequal number of single men to other groups. This is also a point that has been raised in other threads regarding the unequal balance of single males.
Therefore it would make sense to price out some of the single males in order to maintain a balance of clientel at a club.
One club and there may be others allow single women in for free. Is this biased, or are there a local shortage of single women on the local club scene?
Of those that have attended clubs, what are your observations regarding types and numbers of people present?
couple of the comments above..seem to indicate that by makeing the price high you restrict the numbers. So are we saying all you want is rich moneybags guys in then ?? Just because they have money, does not make them more respectfull or attractive ..does it ? Indeed may have opposite effect as they may feel, that due to the fact they paid such a high price to get in they are intitled to a shag..no matter what!! It wouldn't bring in chancers who would go there instead of Broad Street....as they have to become members first....and that is not cheap.
I did comment about people coming a distance and booking themselves in. It is true maybe some would then not turn up. I would say like most hotel reservations you have to be there for a certain time, or else your position becomes open to others. Also if you did not turn up, and did not bother to ring to cancell , then I would say you forfeit your right to book again.
I did comment about people coming a distance and booking themselves in. It is true maybe some would then not turn up. I would say like most hotel reservations you have to be there for a certain time, or else your position becomes open to others. Also if you did not turn up, and did not bother to ring to cancell , then I would say you forfeit your right to book again.
Sex God
Unfortunatly regardless of the price, high or low, that should have little bearing on their attitude or respect for others. A good club would, or should eject members who show a lack of respect towards others, or have the wrong sort ofattitude to be a memeber. Perhaps in these cases membership should be cancelled.
I like the idea of calling and booking a place as theere is nothing worse than haveing travelled a distance you find out that you can't gain entry because the club is full, or there is an imbalance in the clientel on that occaision.
Should you not turn up by a given time then you should foefeit your place. Whether or not there is a finacial penalty to apply I'm not so sure about that as the club may well fill your place by another who is prepared to wait to see if a place becomes available, and the club could well charge twice for the one place.
I like the idea of calling and booking a place as theere is nothing worse than haveing travelled a distance you find out that you can't gain entry because the club is full, or there is an imbalance in the clientel on that occaision.
Should you not turn up by a given time then you should foefeit your place. Whether or not there is a finacial penalty to apply I'm not so sure about that as the club may well fill your place by another who is prepared to wait to see if a place becomes available, and the club could well charge twice for the one place.
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I did comment about people coming a distance and booking themselves in. It is true maybe some would then not turn up. I would say like most hotel reservations you have to be there for a certain time, or else your position becomes open to others. Also if you did not turn up, and did not bother to ring to cancell , then I would say you forfeit your right to book again.
I like that Dean :thumbup:
It would be a pain in the ass when Ian suddenly wants to go to a club about 9 pm but it would also work the other way. He could ring before he left home knowing he would be OK to get in.
Yep, I like :thumbup:
thats £30 squid you could of spent on ale :D 
Sex God
I'm not a club person and doubt I ever will be, but I am stunned at the prices for single males, in any other area of life this would be a form of cynical exploitation, sexism even.
I think there probably is a way to ensure fairer prices, but I wonder if club owners are motivated to do it, given the current numbers of single blokes compared to single women & couples. Supply and demand and all that.
How much are Membership fees? Do you pay these once a year too or every time you go? (Yes I know nothing...)
At least ladies if you do hook up with a single fella in a club in future, you can be sure he'll have a few bob in the bank.
I think there probably is a way to ensure fairer prices, but I wonder if club owners are motivated to do it, given the current numbers of single blokes compared to single women & couples. Supply and demand and all that.
How much are Membership fees? Do you pay these once a year too or every time you go? (Yes I know nothing...)
At least ladies if you do hook up with a single fella in a club in future, you can be sure he'll have a few bob in the bank.
Sex God
Interesting and though provoking thread Dean :thumbup:
I think it is very unfair how single males can be treated by the clubs and the entrance fee's are high. I can see the argument behind making them high to restrict the numbers, but surely if a club wants to restrict numbers, they can do it in other ways. Just because someone has the money to pay to get into a club, does not make them any better/nicer/sexier than someone who cant afford it.
I also feel that offering single girls entrance for free is wrong (awaits the onslaught) but the reason I feel this, is that I think it makes the girls look 'cheap' and an easy target for the less scruples members (ie it cost you nothing to get in, so the least you can do is give me something for me £30/£40/£50 entrance fee).
I know clubs make their own rules and the only way it will change is if members vote with their feet, but it is about time that singles (male and female) were treated a little more fairly.
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Clubs should give single guys a break :thumbup:
I think it is very unfair how single males can be treated by the clubs and the entrance fee's are high. I can see the argument behind making them high to restrict the numbers, but surely if a club wants to restrict numbers, they can do it in other ways. Just because someone has the money to pay to get into a club, does not make them any better/nicer/sexier than someone who cant afford it.
I also feel that offering single girls entrance for free is wrong (awaits the onslaught) but the reason I feel this, is that I think it makes the girls look 'cheap' and an easy target for the less scruples members (ie it cost you nothing to get in, so the least you can do is give me something for me £30/£40/£50 entrance fee).
I know clubs make their own rules and the only way it will change is if members vote with their feet, but it is about time that singles (male and female) were treated a little more fairly.
Sex God
Quote by Sexysmilingeyes
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I wonder and I dont know the answer but would lowering the price make it more affordable for the guys that maybe arent swingers to come along thinking they have more chance of a shag there on a Friday night than up Broad St and upset the balance (not just the numbers balance) ?? snip
Sorry to disect your post but I only wanted to comment on the bit above :thumbup:
Isnt that almost like saying that because single guys are swingers they should expect to pay higher prices
There are some good comments to be honest but like someone said before its supply and demand , a bit of a harsh phase to use in this context.
I think it would be a good idea to offer a `loyality card ` scheme , not like a tesco points card (lol)but say visit the club 4 times get in free for the next or offer a free entrance at a special event.
Something to reward the loyal singles.
Comments please
I think it would be a good idea to offer a `loyality card ` scheme , not like a tesco points card (lol)but say visit the club 4 times get in free for the next or offer a free entrance at a special event.
Something to reward the loyal singles.
Comments please
Quote by Leics
There are some good comments to be honest but like someone said before its supply and demand , a bit of a harsh phase to use in this context.
I think it would be a good idea to offer a `loyality card ` scheme , not like a tesco points card (lol)but say visit the club 4 times get in free for the next or offer a free entrance at a special event.
Something to reward the loyal singles.
Comments please
Abfabs offer half price entry to an evening if you bring along a new member and they also offer a Saturday Loyalty Scheme - once you have achieved four stamps in any period of eight consecutive weeks, you will receive one free entry which must be taken within six weeks.
Quote by Sexysmilingeyes
I cant comment on recent numbers as I havent been in ages but always felt when I go there is about the right ratio of guys/couples etc.
The numbers are definately dropping. It only takes five minutes to get up the stairs now lol
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would lowering the price make it more affordable for the guys that maybe arent swingers to come along thinking they have more chance of a shag there on a Friday night than up Broad St
Which may be one of the reasons that single guys can't just turn up on spec and they have to be members. Dawnie and I had been members for several years, and it still took over eight months on the waiting list before I got my "single" membership.
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Also another question / point. As a single fem I have been asked by guys to go with them even if I dont like them as they get in cheaper and they say they wont bother when inside (I dont say yes, but I know some girls do as it saves them money too). If they lowered the price to the equal of a couple, the guys would prob pay and go alone more and the girls like me would stil go and pay too.
As above. If they don't have membership, they can't get in.
The bit that really frustrated me was that Dawnie could get in on her own using our couples card, but I couldn't.
I / we visit there as often as we can. As a couple our limitation is probably childcare. As a single bloke, I'd definately say its cost.
Quote by Steve
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I wonder and I dont know the answer but would lowering the price make it more affordable for the guys that maybe arent swingers to come along thinking they have more chance of a shag there on a Friday night than up Broad St and upset the balance (not just the numbers balance) ?? snip
Sorry to disect your post but I only wanted to comment on the bit above :thumbup:
Isnt that almost like saying that because single guys are swingers they should expect to pay higher prices
Disect away
No I wasn't saying or trying to say that at all and I think the prices are too steep. I was just thinking out loud I suppose. I am not saying the single swingers should pay more but if it was cheaper would it not encourage or make it easier for those that are not swingers to go and possibly upset the balance. I quite like the single guys that go to chams, they are generally good fun and polite and hope that if/when making it more financially accessable you wouldnt get the laddish (is it a word lol) types.
I am saying it clearly in my head but it never looks right written down lol.... I dont for one minute think the higher the price the better the guy because as mentioned some do think they have paid enough they are due a shag.
To sum it up, the price is too steep, I think most agree on that but at the end of the day people are paying so I suppose until numbers drop sufficently thats the way it will stay.
Sex God
It is an interesting topic.... for example the local club I go to charges different prices for different nights...
If I wanted to go on a greedy girls night... the couples and single guys get for cheaper, than if i or a couple go on a mixed night....
now i suppose that encourages guys to go on greedy girl night,but I am not really a greedy guy person, so i pay more to feel more comfortable
do i feel like sometimes i am subsidising others to go... sure.... but it is like a double edged sword... if no couples/ girls go.. then no single guys would.... on greedy girl nights its the opposite....
I suppose it is swings and roundabouts....
the biggest bugbare for me is that most clubs make people pay entry and membership the first night they go.... and they is the biggest thing that stops me going to more clubs, it can turn into a bloody expensive night, especially if you find you don't like, or for newbies new to the scene trying clubs for the first time....
If I wanted to go on a greedy girls night... the couples and single guys get for cheaper, than if i or a couple go on a mixed night....
now i suppose that encourages guys to go on greedy girl night,but I am not really a greedy guy person, so i pay more to feel more comfortable
do i feel like sometimes i am subsidising others to go... sure.... but it is like a double edged sword... if no couples/ girls go.. then no single guys would.... on greedy girl nights its the opposite....
I suppose it is swings and roundabouts....
the biggest bugbare for me is that most clubs make people pay entry and membership the first night they go.... and they is the biggest thing that stops me going to more clubs, it can turn into a bloody expensive night, especially if you find you don't like, or for newbies new to the scene trying clubs for the first time....
Some bars have happy hours. I can't get there in the happy hour and have to pay full price while some people have a table full of drinks bought at half price, is that unfair or is it business?
Chams is £30 for a couple on a Saturday night and £25 on a Friday. Is that fair because we can get in for £18 during the week. Couples prices are loss leaders for the club.
I wouldn't dream of telling a supermarket where they should set their prices, or what loss leaders they should offer - it's their business and they set the price that people will pay. If it's more than I want to pay then I will shop elsewhere.
Why are children's fares cheaper than adults when they take up the same amount of seat? Surely that is unfair on adults, but it does get families buying tickets where otherwise they might not.
Similarly, clubs have to attract women, either in couples or single, otherwise they become gay clubs. The Greenhouse is just down the road and probably has one price for all for those that find the mixed price discrimination a problem.
Like it or not clubs are businesses and it is up to the owner to set the price that will maximise the profit over the longer term. Chams success suggests that the prices are right at the moment.
If a club is too dear then find one with the price that you want to pay or maybe open your own and set the prices as you wish.
Chams is £30 for a couple on a Saturday night and £25 on a Friday. Is that fair because we can get in for £18 during the week. Couples prices are loss leaders for the club.
I wouldn't dream of telling a supermarket where they should set their prices, or what loss leaders they should offer - it's their business and they set the price that people will pay. If it's more than I want to pay then I will shop elsewhere.
Why are children's fares cheaper than adults when they take up the same amount of seat? Surely that is unfair on adults, but it does get families buying tickets where otherwise they might not.
Similarly, clubs have to attract women, either in couples or single, otherwise they become gay clubs. The Greenhouse is just down the road and probably has one price for all for those that find the mixed price discrimination a problem.
Like it or not clubs are businesses and it is up to the owner to set the price that will maximise the profit over the longer term. Chams success suggests that the prices are right at the moment.
If a club is too dear then find one with the price that you want to pay or maybe open your own and set the prices as you wish.
Sexlightened
Just to apply some economics:
Take a quiet thursday for example :
Say 30 Guys @ 30 900
15 couples @20 300
5 ladies @ 5 25
Total take 1225
fair pricing - assuming couples are 1 person
1225/50 people £25 each
Take a busy friday :
75 guys @ 30 2,250
50 couples @ 20 1000
15 ladies @5 75
total 3,325
fair - 3,325/140 people £24 each
This is a small saving for the blokes same ish for the couples but a killer for the single girls. Would encourage single girls to accompany single guys - is that a good thing ?
So the Question arises - If clubs make pricing fair will people go ?
It would be interesting to see as we as a society become more equal sexually and ladies who like clubs are similar in number as guys then maybe prices will near equality - until then we are stuck i think.
anyway if it was much cheaper we would go more and it may be less exciting ....
just a thought
Take a quiet thursday for example :
Say 30 Guys @ 30 900
15 couples @20 300
5 ladies @ 5 25
Total take 1225
fair pricing - assuming couples are 1 person
1225/50 people £25 each
Take a busy friday :
75 guys @ 30 2,250
50 couples @ 20 1000
15 ladies @5 75
total 3,325
fair - 3,325/140 people £24 each
This is a small saving for the blokes same ish for the couples but a killer for the single girls. Would encourage single girls to accompany single guys - is that a good thing ?
So the Question arises - If clubs make pricing fair will people go ?
It would be interesting to see as we as a society become more equal sexually and ladies who like clubs are similar in number as guys then maybe prices will near equality - until then we are stuck i think.
anyway if it was much cheaper we would go more and it may be less exciting ....
just a thought
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Interesting and though provoking thread Dean :thumbup:
Clubs should give single guys a break :thumbup:
I think it is very unfair how single males can be treated by the clubs and the entrance fee's are high. I can see the argument behind making them high to restrict the numbers, but surely if a club wants to restrict numbers, they can do it in other ways. Just because someone has the money to pay to get into a club, does not make them any better/nicer/sexier than someone who cant afford it.
I also feel that offering single girls entrance for free is wrong (awaits the onslaught) but the reason I feel this, is that I think it makes the girls look 'cheap' and an easy target for the less scruples members (ie it cost you nothing to get in, so the least you can do is give me something for me £30/£40/£50 entrance fee).
I know clubs make their own rules and the only way it will change is if members vote with their feet, but it is about time that singles (male and female) were treated a little more fairly.
I don't know much about clubs but I do agree with you both!!
Sex God
Quote by Sexysmilingeyes
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I wonder and I dont know the answer but would lowering the price make it more affordable for the guys that maybe arent swingers to come along thinking they have more chance of a shag there on a Friday night than up Broad St and upset the balance (not just the numbers balance) ?? snip
Sorry to disect your post but I only wanted to comment on the bit above :thumbup:
Isnt that almost like saying that because single guys are swingers they should expect to pay higher prices
Disect away
No I wasn't saying or trying to say that at all and I think the prices are too steep. I was just thinking out loud I suppose. I am not saying the single swingers should pay more but if it was cheaper would it not encourage or make it easier for those that are not swingers to go and possibly upset the balance. I quite like the single guys that go to chams, they are generally good fun and polite and hope that if/when making it more financially accessable you wouldnt get the laddish (is it a word lol) types.
I am saying it clearly in my head but it never looks right written down lol.... I dont for one minute think the higher the price the better the guy because as mentioned some do think they have paid enough they are due a shag.
To sum it up, the price is too steep, I think most agree on that but at the end of the day people are paying so I suppose until numbers drop sufficently thats the way it will stay.
I think I understand where your coming from :thumbup:
Sexpert
It's probably based on the ratio of single men to single women who go to clubs.
Far more single men go than single women, hence the inrcease in single mens fees ( from a business point of view )
And from a female point of view the higher cost for a single male does deter the men who are out for just a shag at a swinging club and promotes those who aren't quite as ferrel.
Mind you maybe this does discrimanate against the females there who only want a shag
Far more single men go than single women, hence the inrcease in single mens fees ( from a business point of view )
And from a female point of view the higher cost for a single male does deter the men who are out for just a shag at a swinging club and promotes those who aren't quite as ferrel.
Mind you maybe this does discrimanate against the females there who only want a shag
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It's probably based on the ratio of single men to single women who go to clubs.
Far more single men go than single women, hence the inrcease in single mens fees ( from a business point of view )
And from a female point of view the higher cost for a single male does deter the men who are out for just a shag at a swinging club and promotes those who aren't quite as ferrel.
Mind you maybe this does discrimanate against the females there who only want a shag
see I would dissagree with last comment...so the guys with more money are not just out for a shag ??? Ever thought that the ones that do pay higher...therefore expect a shag for their money ?
I don't think the money paid has any relevance in the manners of a person attending.
Sexpert
Quote by deancannock
It's probably based on the ratio of single men to single women who go to clubs.
Far more single men go than single women, hence the inrcease in single mens fees ( from a business point of view )
And from a female point of view the higher cost for a single male does deter the men who are out for just a shag at a swinging club and promotes those who aren't quite as ferrel.
Mind you maybe this does discrimanate against the females there who only want a shag
see I would dissagree with last comment...so the guys with more money are not just out for a shag ??? Ever thought that the ones that do pay higher...therefore expect a shag for their money ?
I don't think the money paid has any relevance in the manners of a person attending.
think it does in the eyes of the owners of the club
which is what i was trying to say
