Cruelty to Animals

8 Feb 2009

Quote by varca
I feel sick to my stomach just now. I haven't really slept having heard about two horrific stories surrounding animals being abused this week. The first was the story of children as young as 10 who beat and kicked 2 young puppies and then tried to roast them alive over a fire!!!
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The second I was told last night. My son and I decided that we would get a kitten or young cat as all six of ours have now departed and the time is now right to get another. Excited, my son logged on to check out the local RSPCA website and other re-homing establishment. We eventually found a place in Blackpool who had a number of young cats available. I called the number and a lovely lady answered and she explained that they did have 6 ready to go but they were reserved. Crestfallen I asked if she could point me in the direction of anywhere else I could try. She then told me that she did have another cat, a 14 week old little thing who was possibly ready to be rehomed and then proceeded to tell me the story of the unbelievable abuse this kitten had suffered at the hands of it's owner. This sick individual had thought it was incredibly funny to use the little thing as an ashtray!!!It's little head and body are covered in burns!! It is now recovering and the vet will give his opinion on Tuesday as to whether it is ready to go to a loving home. The lady is pretty sure that it is and so all being well we will be bringing this poor little kitten home with us next weekend.
Can anyone fathom what on earth goes on in the mind of anyone who deliberately hurts an animal? I know I can't :cry:

words just fail me this is shocking , i am a big animal lover esp cats words just fail me.
steve

8 Feb 2009

Can't fathom that, nor why anyone would hurt a human being.
Yet so many people allow animals to be killed for them to eat meat.
And so many wars!
It's fab that you're going to rescue at least one poor mite. :love:

8 Feb 2009

Quote by TheLovelyOne
Can't fathom that, nor why anyone would hurt a human being.
Yet so many people allow animals to be killed for them to eat meat.
And so many wars!
It's fab that you're going to rescue at least one poor mite. :love:

Cruelty to any living creature just for the fun of it is abhorrent sad

To kill another living creature for its meat as humanely as is possible is something quite different.
If you really want to take it to another level even plants are living breathing individuals, yet we uproot them and shove them into boiling water how cruel is that ?

8 Feb 2009

Quote by tigernlynx
Cruelty to any living creature just for the fun of it is abhorrent
To kill another living creature for its meat as humanely as is possible is something quite different.

Of couse they are different and partly I am being deliberately provocative; but the question was, "can anyone fathom what goes on in the mind of anyone who deliberately hurts an animal?" and my answer stands.

8 Feb 2009

Quote by TheLovelyOne

Cruelty to any living creature just for the fun of it is abhorrent
To kill another living creature for its meat as humanely as is possible is something quite different.

Of couse they are different and partly I am being deliberately provocative; but the question was, "can anyone fathom what goes on in the mind of anyone who deliberately hurts an animal?" and my answer stands.
I'm a farmer (sheep & poultry), and also practise pest control of rabbits etc which also end up in the cooking pot, I treat all my animals humanely, whether its livestock, or my beloved dogs & ferrets, anything which has to be killed is dealt with quickly and cleanly - thats life, thats nature - as it has been since the dawn of history.
I also campaign on nature conservation issues a site more than these sheeple who go "aaah" whilst watching a fluffy bunny on TV whilst tucking into a factory farmed chicken burger !
XXX

8 Feb 2009

It cant be explained Varca, any more than any kind of cruelty can except to say that it is mental illness, people who have something basic missing or broken in their minds. That is not meant as an excuse , and I feel your pain as you describe what you read a familiar feeling will come to the minds of all animal loving folk as we have all read and seen such tragic stories. Riotandantony is right as well the cruelty you speak of can sometimes seem insignificant by comparison to the suffering of creatures that supply us with cheap meat and eggs - all power to him for resisting that, its something we should all bear in mind when we decide what we buy at the grocers.
Hope the new kitten now gets the life they deserve.

8 Feb 2009

I posted in the steam room a while back about someone kicking my cat - I take in rescue cats, and abhor any form of animal cruelty.
Well done to you for taking in a new pet - I hope the vet says yes to you...
Ps one of my neighbours cats stays at my house at night as she kicks it out with no food and drink! If you can't treat an animal with respect you shouldn't have one... at least it knows I care for it! Makes me soooo mad....
And just a quick thought... what about that poor baby that died yesterday?? they are blaming the animals... its not the animals its the people who own them that should be blamed.

8 Feb 2009

Totally agree with you Varca, I just have no reference point when it comes to cruelty to animals or people. Literally I cannot understand the thought processes in their heads.
I think its been proved that people who are cruel to animals when they are children are very likely to commit violence against other, weaker, people when they grow up.
John

8 Feb 2009

I'm not a pet person and I love my steaks. BUT I would never stand back and watch someone harm and animal 'for fun'. It's sick and deeply worrying for our belief in civilisation.
And how many times do you hear about serial killers who were known to enjoy hurting animals as a child? Anyone - ANYONE - who is convicted of animal cruelty (as opposed to neglect I suppose) should be put on a register and be among the first to be investigated whenever a serial killer is on the loose.
And the idea of banning a cruelty/neglect case from owning animals for a fixed number of years is ludicrous. It should be life - no appeal, no mitigating circumstances (like there is a justification to ever be cruel to a living creature ffs). And of course the same applies to the 'right' to care for children.
Oh dear - that got me started. Time for a nice calming cuppa. biggrin

8 Feb 2009

Quote by varca
I feel sick to my stomach just now. I haven't really slept having heard about two horrific stories surrounding animals being abused this week. The first was the story of children as young as 10 who beat and kicked 2 young puppies and then tried to roast them alive over a fire!!!
Full Story
The second I was told last night. My son and I decided that we would get a kitten or young cat as all six of ours have now departed and the time is now right to get another. Excited, my son logged on to check out the local RSPCA website and other re-homing establishment. We eventually found a place in Blackpool who had a number of young cats available. I called the number and a lovely lady answered and she explained that they did have 6 ready to go but they were reserved. Crestfallen I asked if she could point me in the direction of anywhere else I could try. She then told me that she did have another cat, a 14 week old little thing who was possibly ready to be rehomed and then proceeded to tell me the story of the unbelievable abuse this kitten had suffered at the hands of it's owner. This sick individual had thought it was incredibly funny to use the little thing as an ashtray!!!It's little head and body are covered in burns!! It is now recovering and the vet will give his opinion on Tuesday as to whether it is ready to go to a loving home. The lady is pretty sure that it is and so all being well we will be bringing this poor little kitten home with us next weekend.
Can anyone fathom what on earth goes on in the mind of anyone who deliberately hurts an animal? I know I can't :cry:

we see it all the time..:cry:
as an aside and a bit of advice ..next time bypass the rspca and go straight to a small non funded rescue centre, they need the help of the likes of you, and i think youll find they are the ones doing this work for the right reasons.. one other point when times get tough what little help small rescue centres get pretty much stops.. more by pm if interested

8 Feb 2009

Animal cruelty is totally out of order,and the people who commit the crimes against animals should be given some of the treatment that they did to the animal.
i know how they say animals are dumb, but i sometimes they think animal are alot smarter than the people who are cruel to then.
And the so called judgement that the courts come out with are sometimes a total waste of time.
how are you gonna stop someone owning animal after they leave the court room.
What i think they have to come up with some is a type of monitoring system,where they have spot checks to make sure they ban is being upheld.

8 Feb 2009

cruelty is wrong full stop
there is too much of it going on in our world not just animals but children, elderly and every living thing inbetween

8 Feb 2009

it always starts with animals...wait till they move on to bigger things!

8 Feb 2009

Words cannot express my condemnation of those who abuse animals in my eyEs its the same as abusing children or adults alike it should never be tolerated under any circumstances
Joy

8 Feb 2009

People that know me will know how I feel about cruelty to dogs and other poor animals. mad

What we need is stiffer penalties for those sad bastards who treat them badly

8 Feb 2009

we need an understanding of what having an animal actually means.. the amount of care it needs, the fact it doesnt stay cuddly for long, the fact that the child that wants it often doesnt by the end of the week, the fact that you CANT just give it back without causing woe for others, the fact that when times are hard too many people just dump the extra cost, the fact that some people arent fit to keep animals let alone properly care for them..too many cant care for themselves properly ..
it makes our blood boil... people that cry when they hand over a rabbit to a rescue centre then laff and punch the air as they walk away ..and im not kidding ! i could shoot the fuckers.
in edit what im trying to say is this animal cruelty is not just about the stuff glorified by the RSPCA ITS THE DAY TO DAY STUFF!
the stuff they dont want to get involved with, the stuff that doesnt make the news the stuff without a headline grabbing coffer filling prosecution to be had ! the mundane everyday work that goes on by the people that do it for love not wage ..i know this is a bit of a hijack but id love you lot to understand this next time a can is rattled in front of you!

8 Feb 2009

Quote by Silk and Big G
It cant be explained Varca, any more than any kind of cruelty can except to say that it is mental illness,

Mental illness my arse, it's just badness, pure and simple evilness

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8 Feb 2009

My sons much loved cat which lived in my house for 3 years untill my son left home and took the cat with him. The was mentaly scarred from the miss treatment it received as a kitten. The cat does not like people its not even comfortable with us but as each year passes by with all the love it receives the cat is getting more friendly.
The person whom misstreated the cat when it was a kitten hit it violently and she is also violent towards people even her huby.

8 Feb 2009

Quote by varca
My sons much loved cat which lived in my house for 3 years untill my son left home and took the cat with him. The was mentaly scarred from the miss treatment it received as a kitten. The cat does not like people its not even comfortable with us but as each year passes by with all the love it receives the cat is getting more friendly.
The person whom misstreated the cat when it was a kitten hit it violently and she is also violent towards people even her huby.

Luckily that little cat found a loving home with you and your son kiss

The foster carer I spoke to said that the kitten is thankfully not emotionally scarred or afraid of people. I have to admit that I am now worried about smoking outside and the kitten seeing me do that as it is possible that it may affect it.
please if you read this make sure you read varkas first post too ..or you will really think shes lost the plot lol

:lol: :therethere: :kiss:

9 Feb 2009

Quote by the_Laird
It cant be explained Varca, any more than any kind of cruelty can except to say that it is mental illness,

Mental illness my arse, it's just badness, pure and simple evilness
If you're gonna quote me do it in context please Laird and finish the sentence, cheers.

9 Feb 2009

Quote by varca
My sons much loved cat which lived in my house for 3 years untill my son left home and took the cat with him. The was mentaly scarred from the miss treatment it received as a kitten. The cat does not like people its not even comfortable with us but as each year passes by with all the love it receives the cat is getting more friendly.
The person whom misstreated the cat when it was a kitten hit it violently and she is also violent towards people even her huby.

Luckily that little cat found a loving home with you and your son kiss

The foster carer I spoke to said that the kitten is thankfully not emotionally scarred or afraid of people. I have to admit that I am now worried about smoking outside and the kitten seeing me do that as it is possible that it may affect it.
Thank you for the complement :thumbup:
I know how you feel, you dont want to make the kitten remember things from its past for the fear that you affect it mentaly. I felt the same Im always soft as muck with the cat just to prove not all people are the same and the cat is friendlier and more trusting now smile

:) :)

11 Feb 2009

Im not good at puting words together but here goes. Any Questions on what I mean and I will try to explain mmore of what I mean.
Poeple who cause harm to animals or human beings such as hitting and fighting and or have anger problems, it is not right and those people are not nice but it could be because they where not fetched up right, for example, they where abused themselves. But those who cause severe harm to animals or human beings have gone beyond that, for example, people who cause pain or murder for fun can or do have metal health problems and do have an elament of evil at the same time. Violence should never be excused.

11 Feb 2009

Penalties for animal cruelty are too low. The law allows for various maximum penalties, but they are never used. We have yet to hear about anyone being sent to prison for harming an animal, it's usually a suspended sentance/fine.
Prefer the 'eye for an eye' idea. Anyone who roasts a dog should be roasted over a fire to see how they like it. Anyone who starves a horse should be starved, any one who beats a dog beaten up too. That would stop animal cruelty 'just like that' as Tommy Cooper used to say!

11 Feb 2009

this broken mind mental health issue ..to me its just an excuse ..you could use it in any manner what so ever.. ie no one without a netal health problem would steal , defraud , cheat on wife, support manchester united etc .. ok the last ones a joke but it was hard to resist..im trying to keep this light but im with lairdy.. its fucking bad people and screw excuses for the behaviour.
Unless of course we use the same excuses across the board.. and i mean right across the board ..with any horrid crime we can think of being included.
btw yes i know some folk have mental health issues.

11 Feb 2009

I think violece towards an animal or human should never be accepted and should be punnished and the the punnishment should fit the crime. What ever the punnishment is there should be some form education and counciling to help reform the violent people. We can at least try to reform violent people it may not work or it may work but I think its worth a try.