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We joined in early 2006, unlucky to get free life membership, So we pay for our membership which we don't mind in the least (Blimey its only 96p a week absolute value) for as the site is a great site and has been such a positive thing for us.
I however will inevitably jib in a couple of months at forking out the £50:00 knowing others out there are not. And that maybe the paying members, well no maybe about i,t paying members really are supporting those who get it free. Maybe there should be an integrated introduction for the veteran members to start paying just a nominal amount maybe say £10:00/year year going up by £5:00/year until parity.
I know if i was getting it free i would probably be spitting about what i'm writing, but its a good, worth paying for site, which is having the newer members supporting the older ones. Not really fair on the new members is it. Just like to add that we didn't know prior to joining that it had been a free site.
99% of the time this doesn't bother me but after a discussion with a couple of people over a drink or two I just thought I'd ask in here.
I'm a non-paying member from waaaay back and I agree with you. If it went to suddenly £50 I would struggle, finances are very tight at the mo, but I would pay it I think. Ramping up steadily seems a vary fair way to go about it.
The people who get the site free, are the ones who were here from years ago. The site was sold in 2005 as an active site, which it wouldn't have been, had it not been for that membership. See their free membership as a 'thank you' hmmm? You're not supporting them, they were here before.
Elliot wrote on 18 Nov 2005:
Do I have to pay?
No, the site will remain free for all existing members, and new members. However we will be introducing a premium membership, which will have advanced features at a cost. Now this is the important bit:
All existing members will be automatically upgraded to premium membership for at least 1 year, and more than likely - forever.
We have no intention of breaking up this community, and want to reward the current members as much as we can and push the site forward.

Just to confirm what FB says.
Quote by Lost
We joined in early 2006, unlucky to get free life membership, So we pay for our membership which we don't mind in the least (Blimey its only 96p a week absolute value) for as the site is a great site and has been such a positive thing for us.
I however will inevitably jib in a couple of months at forking out the £50:00 knowing others out there are not. And that maybe the paying members, well no maybe about i,t paying members really are supporting those who get it free. Maybe there should be an integrated introduction for the veteran members to start paying just a nominal amount maybe say £10:00/year year going up by £5:00/year until parity.
I know if i was getting it free i would probably be spitting about what i'm writing, but its a good, worth paying for site, which is having the newer members supporting the older ones. Not really fair on the new members is it. Just like to add that we didn't know prior to joining that it had been a free site.
99% of the time this doesn't bother me but after a discussion with a couple of people over a drink or two I just thought I'd ask in here.

It was a gesture from the admin when they first took the site over...... It was the members and spirit of the site that made SH something that they wanted t be a part of. As far as they were concerned, it was only fair that those original members stayed on a no paying status biggrin
I cant see how paying members can say they are supporting non paying members. If it wasnt for the non paying members there wouldnt be a site for the paying members to join and pay a subscription in the first place.
Did that make sense confused
Did to me lol
Quote by flower411
We joined in early 2006, unlucky to get free life membership, So we pay for our membership which we don't mind in the least (Blimey its only 96p a week absolute value) for as the site is a great site and has been such a positive thing for us.
I however will inevitably jib in a couple of months at forking out the £50:00 knowing others out there are not. And that maybe the paying members, well no maybe about i,t paying members really are supporting those who get it free. Maybe there should be an integrated introduction for the veteran members to start paying just a nominal amount maybe say £10:00/year year going up by £5:00/year until parity.
I know if i was getting it free i would probably be spitting about what i'm writing, but its a good, worth paying for site, which is having the newer members supporting the older ones. Not really fair on the new members is it. Just like to add that we didn't know prior to joining that it had been a free site.
99% of the time this doesn't bother me but after a discussion with a couple of people over a drink or two I just thought I'd ask in here.

Doesn`t bother me in the least what ya think lol
If they start phasing in payment for non paying members I`ll leave it and go to another free site.
:lol2: good job I don't think flower. And if you left i'd miss you lots biggrin
Quote by Missy
We joined in early 2006, unlucky to get free life membership, So we pay for our membership which we don't mind in the least (Blimey its only 96p a week absolute value) for as the site is a great site and has been such a positive thing for us.
I however will inevitably jib in a couple of months at forking out the £50:00 knowing others out there are not. And that maybe the paying members, well no maybe about i,t paying members really are supporting those who get it free. Maybe there should be an integrated introduction for the veteran members to start paying just a nominal amount maybe say £10:00/year year going up by £5:00/year until parity.
I know if i was getting it free i would probably be spitting about what i'm writing, but its a good, worth paying for site, which is having the newer members supporting the older ones. Not really fair on the new members is it. Just like to add that we didn't know prior to joining that it had been a free site.
99% of the time this doesn't bother me but after a discussion with a couple of people over a drink or two I just thought I'd ask in here.

It was a gesture from the admin when they first took the site over...... It was the members and spirit of the site that made SH something that they wanted t be a part of. As far as they were concerned, it was only fair that those original members stayed on a no paying status biggrin
We have been on this site for ages. long before it became a pay site. Things in life are never fair. I would not mind paying extra but as a long standing member would feel aggrieved if I had to pay the same ammount as a new member. lol
New members have the choice anyway - they either pay to join or they don't get the benefits of joining. Simple as. If they don't think it's fair, they don't have to join. It was a free site when the 'older' members joined; no reason why they should pay now - that would be unfair.
My origins on the site go back to when it was tiny with a few hundred membership was my revamped relaunch and because I'd let my other membership lapse lol!
I've often wondered how long it will stay free for people like was a bit of a shock when it became a pay site as it came over as an idealistically driven channel in support of swinging as a lifestyle before but I can still see that spirit of freedom and fun in many people here today, old and new.
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I cant see how paying members can say they are supporting non paying members. If it wasnt for the non paying members there wouldnt be a site for the paying members to join and pay a subscription in the first place.
Did that make sense confused
Did to me lol

Actually agree with you hel. :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:
agree with Freckledbird on this one
This site was made by the people who were part of it before the take over.......there would be no sense in taking over a site that was dormant. Therefore I see it that those people who joined the site for free and made it was it is (was) should not have to pay to be here. I guess it's just a shame that some of them aren't about so much. sad
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I cant see how paying members can say they are supporting non paying members. If it wasnt for the non paying members there wouldnt be a site for the paying members to join and pay a subscription in the first place.
Did that make sense confused
Did to me lol

Actually agree with you hel. :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:
Now looking for the fall over and faint emotywhotsitthingy
I understand fully the debt of gratitude we owe the free members for getting the site to the position it was prior to becoming a pay for site. And i suppose that asking them to pay would be a bit bad for them. Though I thank the paying membership also for the site getting better and better, Well i think it has in the 2+ years we've been here. I'm sure it wouldn't be possible to be free in the form it now exists.
I understand the fact that there are 'grandfather' rights to the site. As I say its just me thinking about stuff with some mates the other day and saying maybe the introduction of a nominal amount moving to parity would be cool. But thats just looking at it from the Paying members side I guess. And I don't mind supporting others in the site in it present form. though I do realise there wouldn't possibly be a site without those who made it what it was before the the paying members joined. I don't unfortunately remember the halycon days of yore biggrin
Quote by Lost
I understand fully the debt of gratitude we owe the free members for getting the site to the position it was prior to becoming a pay for site. And i suppose that asking them to pay would be a bit bad for them. Though I thank the paying membership also for the site getting better and better, Well i think it has in the 2+ years we've been here. I'm sure it wouldn't be possible to be free in the form it now exists.
I understand the fact that there are 'grandfather' rights to the site. As I say its just me thinking about stuff with some mates the other day and saying maybe the introduction of a nominal amount moving to parity would be cool. But thats just looking at it from the Paying members side I guess. And I don't mind supporting others in the site in it present form. though I do realise there wouldn't possibly be a site without those who made it what it was before the the paying members joined. I don't unfortunately remember the halycon days of yore biggrin

You've got that right Lost, the paying members do make the site more 'gagety', which I'm grateful for...... but even without the 'gagets' I would still be here, it just makes it a bit more whizzy, that's all, nowt to do with the spirit of the site.
I said up there that it was the original members that created the spirit of the site, and it sounded like I was being a bit demeaning confused it's not what I intended. Sure the original members started the core of SH, which attracted the admin guys - but it's also the paying members now that maintain that spirit, and keep the place fun :D
We just got more gagets n stuff that we did have :D
I'm curious what percentage are non-payers.
Quote by Lost
I understand fully the debt of gratitude we owe the free members for getting the site to the position it was prior to becoming a pay for site. And i suppose that asking them to pay would be a bit bad for them. Though I thank the paying membership also for the site getting better and better, Well i think it has in the 2+ years we've been here. I'm sure it wouldn't be possible to be free in the form it now exists.
I understand the fact that there are 'grandfather' rights to the site. As I say its just me thinking about stuff with some mates the other day and saying maybe the introduction of a nominal amount moving to parity would be cool. But thats just looking at it from the Paying members side I guess. And I don't mind supporting others in the site in it present form. though I do realise there wouldn't possibly be a site without those who made it what it was before the the paying members joined. I don't unfortunately remember the halycon days of yore biggrin

I happen to think it was just as good way back. New members add their own flavour to the mix, but it was perfectly palatable before. I don't think it's got any more better than it would have as a free site (that is a very clumsy statement but you get my drift). I think it would still have evolved comfortably.
And you're not supporting any other members!
When the news arrived about the take over, there was a huge thread about what it would mean to the existing members.
A good amount of warning was given that new members would start paying on a certain date... it seemed pretty fair at the time.
A new site DH opening was also announced some months (?)later, giving previous and new members the opportunity to gain free membership/s. Many of the free members (non paying) of SH joined and gained a free full membership.
All business I know that but still people had another opportunity to gain a free account...might not suit some people here but it was still there
for those whom the site suited and wanted it.
Ya never know whats round corner do ya???
Quote by foxylady2209
I'm curious what percentage are non-payers.

All of me is a non-payer!! confused :? :rascal: :rascal: :rascal: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Quote by flower411
I'm curious what percentage are non-payers.

OOOOO I`d love to know that too !!! But I`d also like to know what percentage are "active" lol
Define 'active' though - it means different things to different people. Active as in:
'shagging regularly like rabbits with people I've met through the ads. on SH'
or
'joining in regularly on the forum and not doing as much shagging but enough for me thanks very much'
or
'I chat every night with lots of people and shag them sometimes'?
Quote by foxylady2209
I'm curious what percentage are non-payers.

Depends how your site stats/payments scheme are set up to be able to caculate that? Some sites i know of that are similar to this dont have that information because they own other sites. The way that members make payments would be the same for all Im guessing...so would be no way to seperate who are from where (not sure if Ive explained that very well?)
Quote by Freckledbird
I understand fully the debt of gratitude we owe the free members for getting the site to the position it was prior to becoming a pay for site. And i suppose that asking them to pay would be a bit bad for them. Though I thank the paying membership also for the site getting better and better, Well i think it has in the 2+ years we've been here. I'm sure it wouldn't be possible to be free in the form it now exists.
I understand the fact that there are 'grandfather' rights to the site. As I say its just me thinking about stuff with some mates the other day and saying maybe the introduction of a nominal amount moving to parity would be cool. But thats just looking at it from the Paying members side I guess. And I don't mind supporting others in the site in it present form. though I do realise there wouldn't possibly be a site without those who made it what it was before the the paying members joined. I don't unfortunately remember the halycon days of yore biggrin

I happen to think it was just as good way back. New members add their own flavour to the mix, but it was perfectly palatable before. I don't think it's got any more better than it would have as a free site (that is a very clumsy statement but you get my drift). I think it would still have evolved comfortably.
And you're not supporting any other members!
In the form the site now takes I think (i dont know)and I assume that the paying members do help to support the site. This in turn supports the members present in it.
As for the site evolving. Yes it may of evolved, but possibly not into what we experience now. I guess we will never know how it would of evolved as a free site. But we do know how it's evolving as a pay for site. And I'm not unhappy about that at all. Infact i'm quite positive about it.
I would of loved to of experienced the olden days. With some of the characters sadly now gone. But hey I miss others that have gone in the last 2 years. I guess things just move forward.
dont pay wouldnt pay... we are members of several , cough, other sites non of them fee paying, well none that ask us to pay anyway, we wouldnt , ive joined several with the same kind of membership this place has , a free one till you have placed an advert , filled out your profile etc etc and then its time to cough up if you actually want to benefit from the sites, some give trial free memberships, we use those for the trial period, others do what this place does and says pay up or dont meet...we dont meet and leave, leaving behind our advert, i guess many many do that here, once again id love to know what percentage, just so i can see how much time ive wasted contacting people that have placed join up adverts only to never come back again...
there are folk that have been here from the day the site was born..mark was one of those , he part built this place and sold the bit he built...most of this site was built by the pioneeers, people that contributed to it in many ways more than mark did, im one of those from before wild rose and the stag, i see the free membership here as my payment for my efforts before admin came along. nothing more nothing less.
staggy
I genuinely didn't mean it in a pedantic way Flower - it was a reasonable question! Like I said, active means different things to different people.
We made a promise that we wouldn't be charging the members that were here when we took over for the foreseable future, I still think it was the right thing to do cool
The admin team has taken a lot of crap over the years and been accused of many things mad , those that pay do indeed keep the site running biggrin and pay our wages, those that were here before we took over interact and without them there would be less people 'active' on the site to interact, it works and most are happy, I see no reason to change it dunno
You can't quantify active members, we did think about deleting all accounts that hadn't been used for a year, but I've seen way to many that go away for up to 3 years and then reappear.
My pet hate, members that enjoy the site for free, hog chatroom bandwidth and take every opportunity to take digs at us or the mod team in the forum, to them I'd say, take your soapbox with you and watch your arse on the way out wave
Quote by st3v3
snip...My pet hate, members that ... hog chatroom bandwidth ...

Total non-techie here - what does this bit mean?
Quote by Cherrytree
snip...My pet hate, members that ... hog chatroom bandwidth ...

Total non-techie here - what does this bit mean?
You can't take that bit in isolation, maybe citing the chatroom was too specific, its a big site with lots of features, lets write it another way;
My pet hate, members that enjoy everything that the site offers for free, and take every opportunity to take digs at us or the mod team in the forum, to them I'd say, take your soapbox with you and watch your arse on the way out
Quote by st3v3
My pet hate, members that enjoy the site for free, hog chatroom bandwidth and take every opportunity to take digs at us or the mod team in the forum, to them I'd say, take your soapbox with you and watch your arse on the way out wave

do you see the non payers as any less members? i dont understand the comment about hogging chatroom bandwidth?
Quote by Cherrytree
snip...My pet hate, members that ... hog chatroom bandwidth ...

Total non-techie here - what does this bit mean?
In English- just like someone taking up room on a motorway, theres a finite amount of room :thumbup: