Can anyone prove there is one?
Just a question.
For the record....No I do not believe there is a God.
Join the most popular community of UK swingers now
Login
Do you believe in God?
Nope. Absolutely, and without question, no. Lucky really- if "he" existed he'd have struck me down by now.
Uncannily though, I was mulling the idea of starting a thread on how believing swingers manage to reconcile their lifestyle with their religion. I'm genuinely curious, but it seems like such a provocative question to ask
Uncannily though, I was mulling the idea of starting a thread on how believing swingers manage to reconcile their lifestyle with their religion. I'm genuinely curious, but it seems like such a provocative question to ask
Sex God
No...
Sex God
I guess I would have to answer no
Sex God
Quote by fluff_n_stuff
I do not believe in God, but I try to instil christian beliefs of being a good person and neighbour into my children.
Nicely put, and so do we
Sex God
I voted NO but my belief is more that any God is irrelavent. Look at the children who die in their first weeks from terrible deformities, who are infected with AIDS in the womb. Look at the suffering that happens all over the world all the time.
IF there is a God it (God cannot have a gender since, if there is only 1 it cannot breed and must be sexless) it is either a psycopathic bastard or completely incompetent.
The argument that "suffering was out there to test us" is is utter crap - my suffering might be there to test me but what about those newborns with their guts outside their bodies? That's just cruel.
Also any God is Omni-everything - can see everything, do everything, knows everything. Why on earth would a creature that powerful NEED mere humans to worship them? They don't.
As James T Kirk says in Final Frontier - "why does God need a starship?".
If that creature wanted to let people into heaven they could - regardless of that person bowing and scraping and singing its praises. So the choice is based on its need for humans to be subservient and worshiping it - back to the psychopath.
If there is a God it could prevent millions of instances of suffreing - none of which are 'deserved'. But it doesn't.
As Fluff implied - belief in God isn't what makes people good people.
IF there is a God it (God cannot have a gender since, if there is only 1 it cannot breed and must be sexless) it is either a psycopathic bastard or completely incompetent.
The argument that "suffering was out there to test us" is is utter crap - my suffering might be there to test me but what about those newborns with their guts outside their bodies? That's just cruel.
Also any God is Omni-everything - can see everything, do everything, knows everything. Why on earth would a creature that powerful NEED mere humans to worship them? They don't.
As James T Kirk says in Final Frontier - "why does God need a starship?".
If that creature wanted to let people into heaven they could - regardless of that person bowing and scraping and singing its praises. So the choice is based on its need for humans to be subservient and worshiping it - back to the psychopath.
If there is a God it could prevent millions of instances of suffreing - none of which are 'deserved'. But it doesn't.
As Fluff implied - belief in God isn't what makes people good people.
Sex God
I could fill an entire forum on this subject as it is something I've wrestled with for a long time.
No there isn't a god or God (capitalisation necessary as a 'god' is different to "God"), there never was, is or will be one either. The arguments for intelligent design are so laughably feeble that they stand up to no rigorous examination of facts.
I won't bore you with why, just read Richard Dawkins books for starters. "The God Delusion" is a good one to start with. Then for a giggle, have a look at Paul Davies "The Goldilocks Enigma".
I loathe the fact that for generations we have always had to equate our "goodness" in terms of how they relate to a deity. A godless world isn't a morally corrupt one. The notions of goodness, kindness, freedom, tolerance, acceptance, understanding etc are not religious beliefs, they are human ones. As are greed, divisiveness, selfishness, evil, intolerance, marginalisation and self-righteousness.
So Fluff, Bluefish you are trailblazers my dears! Well done! I've no doubt a great many others on here are too.
The sooner we stop referencing our human lives to divisive books of black magic, misogyny, murder, , intolerance and other mumbo jumbo, the better.
I love this topic and I am happy to chat at length, but I won't on here because I don't want to bore anybody or upset them. However you can send me a PM if you fancy a natter and I'll bore your brains out there instead.
No there isn't a god or God (capitalisation necessary as a 'god' is different to "God"), there never was, is or will be one either. The arguments for intelligent design are so laughably feeble that they stand up to no rigorous examination of facts.
I won't bore you with why, just read Richard Dawkins books for starters. "The God Delusion" is a good one to start with. Then for a giggle, have a look at Paul Davies "The Goldilocks Enigma".
I loathe the fact that for generations we have always had to equate our "goodness" in terms of how they relate to a deity. A godless world isn't a morally corrupt one. The notions of goodness, kindness, freedom, tolerance, acceptance, understanding etc are not religious beliefs, they are human ones. As are greed, divisiveness, selfishness, evil, intolerance, marginalisation and self-righteousness.
So Fluff, Bluefish you are trailblazers my dears! Well done! I've no doubt a great many others on here are too.
The sooner we stop referencing our human lives to divisive books of black magic, misogyny, murder, , intolerance and other mumbo jumbo, the better.
I love this topic and I am happy to chat at length, but I won't on here because I don't want to bore anybody or upset them. However you can send me a PM if you fancy a natter and I'll bore your brains out there instead.
Sex God
Quote by foxylady2209
I voted NO but my belief is more that any God is irrelavent. Look at the children who die in their first weeks from terrible deformities, who are infected with AIDS in the womb. Look at the suffering that happens all over the world all the time.
IF there is a God it (God cannot have a gender since, if there is only 1 it cannot breed and must be sexless) it is either a psycopathic bastard or completely incompetent.
The argument that "suffering was out there to test us" is is utter crap - my suffering might be there to test me but what about those newborns with their guts outside their bodies? That's just cruel.
Also any God is Omni-everything - can see everything, do everything, knows everything. Why on earth would a creature that powerful NEED mere humans to worship them? They don't.
As James T Kirk says in Final Frontier - "why does God need a starship?".
If that creature wanted to let people into heaven they could - regardless of that person bowing and scraping and singing its praises. So the choice is based on its need for humans to be subservient and worshiping it - back to the psychopath.
If there is a God it could prevent millions of instances of suffreing - none of which are 'deserved'. But it doesn't.
As Fluff implied - belief in God isn't what makes people good people.
With my very rough understanding, are we not at the moment in hell "Earth" under the control at least partially of the Devil? At the Apocalypse when God prevails the innocent shall rise up "leave Earth/hell" to heaven.
So as I see it were in hell thats why all the Sh*t happens
This isnt a comment on my belief or not in God just a comment on my limited understanding of the Bible.
Sex God
Quote by tweeky
I voted NO but my belief is more that any God is irrelavent. Look at the children who die in their first weeks from terrible deformities, who are infected with AIDS in the womb. Look at the suffering that happens all over the world all the time.
IF there is a God it (God cannot have a gender since, if there is only 1 it cannot breed and must be sexless) it is either a psycopathic bastard or completely incompetent.
The argument that "suffering was out there to test us" is is utter crap - my suffering might be there to test me but what about those newborns with their guts outside their bodies? That's just cruel.
Also any God is Omni-everything - can see everything, do everything, knows everything. Why on earth would a creature that powerful NEED mere humans to worship them? They don't.
As James T Kirk says in Final Frontier - "why does God need a starship?".
If that creature wanted to let people into heaven they could - regardless of that person bowing and scraping and singing its praises. So the choice is based on its need for humans to be subservient and worshiping it - back to the psychopath.
If there is a God it could prevent millions of instances of suffreing - none of which are 'deserved'. But it doesn't.
As Fluff implied - belief in God isn't what makes people good people.
With my very rough understanding, are we not at the moment in hell "Earth" under the control at least partially of the Devil? At the Apocalypse when God prevails the innocent shall rise up "leave Earth/hell" to heaven.
So as I see it were in hell thats why all the Sh*t happens
This isnt a comment on my belief or not in God just a comment on my limited understanding of the Bible.
You're right about the Devil influence in the Bible.
The problem is - every single word written in every single religious book came from humans. They claim that the words come from their chosen deity - but of course proof is non-extistant. Odd, since this God creature is omnipotent and could whip up absolute proof in a nano-second.
The Devil is a convenience trotted out by believers when challenged about the harm done to God's so-called chosen people. "The devil did it", "It's a punishment", "It's a test" - why is it never God's fault? God gets treated like a sickly younger child - never to be blamed and always to be let off their faults and failures.
Omnipotent means just that - can do ANYTHING. Including prevent any harm by any Devil - The Christian Devil was, after all no more than a fallen archangel - hardly competition for a proper God, so that's no excuse for the harm done on Earth.
Sex God
I think you will find,if you studdy this suject as I have, God is not "Omnipotent" He is in fact, "Alanis Morissette" 
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
I think you will find,if you studdy this suject as I have, God is not "Omnipotent" He is in fact, "Alanis Morissette"
Noooooo
Its Morgan Freeman.......Dont tell me you haven't seen Bruce Almighty ...
Sex God
Quote by Steve
I think you will find,if you studdy this suject as I have, God is not "Omnipotent" He is in fact, "Alanis Morissette"
Noooooo
Its Morgan Freeman.......Dont tell me you haven't seen Bruce Almighty ...
OMGosh, does this mean my research is flawed?
You're both wrong- god is a DJ. 
I have thunked- and however I try to phrase them, my questions will always be provocative, and insulting to someones stance/viewpoint...so in the interests of harmony I'll be :gagged:
But for the record, mine is thus: I was christened CofE. Went to Catholic primary, and secondary schools, where I witnessed extreme cruelty/bullying and homophobia- and that was from the teachers and the nuns. I became agnostic as soon as I was capable of thinking outside the box I was in- agnostic bordering on atheist that is.
The day I became a die hard atheist is still fresh in my mind. I remember taking my eldest to school, coming home, doing a few odds & sods- and sitting down in front of the news with a coffee- but this was no ordinary news broadcast. It was Lorraine Kelly broadcasting from Dunblane...
I remember firmly declaring to myself that there could be no god. Or if there was a god who allowed this to happen, I didn't like him/her/it.
It did provide some mirth though later when I was recounting it a close friend. I said "There is no god- but if I'm wrong, I'd like to take the bas****d outside." I had no idea why she was laughing at first, until she explained that taking on such an authority figure in that manner wasn't quite what normal people do.
Anyway, that's me outta here. Apart from dropping in with the odd witticism, of course.
I have thunked- and however I try to phrase them, my questions will always be provocative, and insulting to someones stance/viewpoint...so in the interests of harmony I'll be :gagged:
But for the record, mine is thus: I was christened CofE. Went to Catholic primary, and secondary schools, where I witnessed extreme cruelty/bullying and homophobia- and that was from the teachers and the nuns. I became agnostic as soon as I was capable of thinking outside the box I was in- agnostic bordering on atheist that is.
The day I became a die hard atheist is still fresh in my mind. I remember taking my eldest to school, coming home, doing a few odds & sods- and sitting down in front of the news with a coffee- but this was no ordinary news broadcast. It was Lorraine Kelly broadcasting from Dunblane...
I remember firmly declaring to myself that there could be no god. Or if there was a god who allowed this to happen, I didn't like him/her/it.
It did provide some mirth though later when I was recounting it a close friend. I said "There is no god- but if I'm wrong, I'd like to take the bas****d outside." I had no idea why she was laughing at first, until she explained that taking on such an authority figure in that manner wasn't quite what normal people do.
Anyway, that's me outta here. Apart from dropping in with the odd witticism, of course.
Sex God
Quote by flower411
I recently read The Devil`s Apocrypha by John A De Vito.
It kinda conformed all my suspicions .....
God does exist but is, in fact a vain, self serving, insecure git
Oh, I think he may post right here, in these forums
Master of Sex
Is god just an idea magnified into corporal reality by the ministrations of shaman/priests who assist the tenets of society by applying control over the general populace to provide solace and discipline within the boundaries of what is acceptable avoiding anarchy that can only be controlled by severe means?
There are numerous theological arguments that both support and are gainst this.
God is neither male or female but merely an idea to me and will only be relevent should I seek to be part of the idea. You cannot label ideaology it just won't stick.
Food for thought - we view god as an all powerful being - yet would not we be perceived gods to those who have no knowledge of our technology to create and destroy, to cure and kill? The debate will continue but there is one thing I am glad of - no matter what your culture there is always something to seek solace with be they only an idea in your time of need when alone.
Oh - and I don't per-se think there is a god, but a universal state of control that applies to all life within the Universes both known and unknown - I prefer to try and rely on my perceptions both visible and not to move towards explaining the unexplained.
That's my two penneth worth if confusing or of help
There are numerous theological arguments that both support and are gainst this.
God is neither male or female but merely an idea to me and will only be relevent should I seek to be part of the idea. You cannot label ideaology it just won't stick.
Food for thought - we view god as an all powerful being - yet would not we be perceived gods to those who have no knowledge of our technology to create and destroy, to cure and kill? The debate will continue but there is one thing I am glad of - no matter what your culture there is always something to seek solace with be they only an idea in your time of need when alone.
Oh - and I don't per-se think there is a god, but a universal state of control that applies to all life within the Universes both known and unknown - I prefer to try and rely on my perceptions both visible and not to move towards explaining the unexplained.
That's my two penneth worth if confusing or of help
I was brought up in a weakly islamic household, but attended a christian school, so I had two different viewpoints thrust at me, so I took the stand quite early on that god existed, but religioun was just stories.
There were two inconsistencies in my head that cementedmy belief that there is no God. Firstly, I couldnt reconcile (considering I had abandoned religion) that the only reason I believed in god was fear of going to hell. I felt cowardly and as though I was allowing fear to undermine my confidence in my own onclusions.
Secondly I couldnt reconcile that my religion or lack of it would mostly be influenced by the country I was born in, i.e. luck.
It also seems strange to me that animals live their lives without God, I dont imagine all the penguins and puppies are going to hell because they have sex before marriage.
My views arent deep theological ones, just kinda sensible observations.
I think the idea of god first emerged from people trying to explain things that they didnt understand. A gap that science is increasingly filling.
Somebody told me that the only remaining question is "Why is there something, rather than nothing".
There were two inconsistencies in my head that cementedmy belief that there is no God. Firstly, I couldnt reconcile (considering I had abandoned religion) that the only reason I believed in god was fear of going to hell. I felt cowardly and as though I was allowing fear to undermine my confidence in my own onclusions.
Secondly I couldnt reconcile that my religion or lack of it would mostly be influenced by the country I was born in, i.e. luck.
It also seems strange to me that animals live their lives without God, I dont imagine all the penguins and puppies are going to hell because they have sex before marriage.
My views arent deep theological ones, just kinda sensible observations.
I think the idea of god first emerged from people trying to explain things that they didnt understand. A gap that science is increasingly filling.
Somebody told me that the only remaining question is "Why is there something, rather than nothing".
Sex God
no
ive done some bad things in my it doesnt matter how much you try to put things behind you i still have nightmares about the pain and suffering i caused others.
i thought when i lost my girlfriend her taking was some sort of pay back so id be left to suffer.
and i always asked myself why do i survive these bike crashes which would have killed another man.
is it some sort of payback? i dunno but something doesnt want me to die.
so you tell me is there a god or is something playing with me for there enjoyment in some twisted game?
i thought when i lost my girlfriend her taking was some sort of pay back so id be left to suffer.
and i always asked myself why do i survive these bike crashes which would have killed another man.
is it some sort of payback? i dunno but something doesnt want me to die.
so you tell me is there a god or is something playing with me for there enjoyment in some twisted game?
Master of Sex
Quote by flower411
Is Mal just an idea magnified into corporal reality by the ministrations of other mods and ops who assist the tenets of SH by applying control over the general populace to provide solace and discipline within the boundaries of what is acceptable avoiding anarchy that can only be controlled by severe means?
There are numerous theological arguments that both support and are gainst this.
Mal is neither male or female but merely an idea to me and will only be relevent should I seek to be part of the idea. You cannot label ideaology it just won't stick.
Food for thought - we view Mal as an all powerful being - yet would not we be perceived mods to those who have no knowledge of our technology to allow or deny pics, to forgive or to ban? The debate will continue but there is one thing I am glad of - no matter what your culture there is always something to seek solace with be they only an idea in your time of need when alone.
Oh - and I don't per-se think there is a Mal, but a universal state of control that applies to all life within the Universes both known and unknown - I prefer to try and rely on my perceptions both visible and not to move towards explaining the unexplained.
That's my two penneth worth if confusing or of help
Surely this is what you really had in mind :wink:
:giggle:
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
Can i do theology on a monday morning?Better than i can set up a poll,i hope!
Tweeky,Earth is not hell,tho it is imperfect,there is a strong belief we are in the End Days ,but i think such speculation is devil is actally rarely mentioned in the Earth is imperfect because we are.
Foxy,one could argue about proof that there is more evidnce hor the existance of Jesus than there is for Socrates.
True believers accept there limits and try to be better human beings,
And take a lot on faith!
I take your point about information about the existance and life of Jesus. BUT proof a chap called Jesus lived at the appropriate time is absolutely NOT proof that there is a powerful being called God - they are not the same thing. And I know that millions of measurably sane people believe in a God of one form or another.
But I've had someone stand in front of me and say "the sun rises in the morning - THAT is proof there is a God." Seriously - when the standard required for belief is THAT low, what can we say?
I know that belief in a better life somewhere else and that there is someone caring about us is very comforting. But what practical difference does it make in a crisis? But if my child were dying of an agonising disease I would expect a damned site more from this all-powerful being than a bit of sympathy - which I would have to take on faith anyway since God does not speak to anyone. By speaking I mean words, loud hearable words I could record and other people would hear. There is no practical reason to believe that feelings pop into my head from anywhere other than my own brain.
I will never believe in God. I will however accept its existance when it presents itself to me with appropriately validated ID. OK, a bit tongue in cheek there - but only half joking. For me, I can't see any more reason to believe in God than I do any of the other thousands of incorporeal beings mentioned in thousands of years of human history. What makes this one so special?
(At no point do I think you shouldn't believe - I am only describing how hard it is for me to believe.)
I like to believe there are Gods (plural), and that perhaps the ancient (pre xtianity) religions make more sence. Druidism, Odinism, Asatruism and the likes are more about our connection to nature and the cosmos. To believe there is just one god and he created man in his own form is to put ourselves above all other animals, yet it is not the rest of the animal kingdom that is destroying our planet. We are no better than any other creatures at the end of the day, we all return to the soil.
my sister believes, my mother is taking classes to try and regain/restore her faith after the loss of my dad suddenly last year and a lot of other things that have happened.
I see faith give comfort to those that have it, i also see faith being followed blindy and unquestioning in parts of the world, i see faith, god, religion being used as the banner peoples hide behind to start most of the earths wars over the many thousands of years, and still is.
people are persecuted for their faith, their beliefs, by others who also are supposed to have faith and belief, the name is just a different name for god.
i see faith can be a powerful master, a great comforter, a power of destruction and beauty
do i believe?
no i do not believe in one god no matter what his/her name in whichever religion, i believe in the ability of the human race, to twist, bend, utilise 'religion' to their own ends
I see faith give comfort to those that have it, i also see faith being followed blindy and unquestioning in parts of the world, i see faith, god, religion being used as the banner peoples hide behind to start most of the earths wars over the many thousands of years, and still is.
people are persecuted for their faith, their beliefs, by others who also are supposed to have faith and belief, the name is just a different name for god.
i see faith can be a powerful master, a great comforter, a power of destruction and beauty
do i believe?
no i do not believe in one god no matter what his/her name in whichever religion, i believe in the ability of the human race, to twist, bend, utilise 'religion' to their own ends
Quote by foxylady2209
Snip/...
But I've had someone stand in front of me and say "the sun rises in the morning - THAT is proof there is a God." Seriously - when the standard required for belief is THAT low, what can we say?
/snip
If that's the case, my getting out of bed this morning was proof of fecking miracles!
I believe in some sort of gods goddesses call em what u like. Evolution is a great theory but its still only a theory and my mind is open. My dissatisfaction stems from the need to believe that life in all its complexity and diversity is random. It kind of sticks in my intellectual throat.
I dont want to join some religious club. I dont want to live by rules imposed by a desert nomad tribe 7000 years ago and I dont give a shit if othe rpeople choose to make different choices.
I do believe that the basics of compassion etc are important and try to live a "good" life without being a doormat.
I dont want to join some religious club. I dont want to live by rules imposed by a desert nomad tribe 7000 years ago and I dont give a shit if othe rpeople choose to make different choices.
I do believe that the basics of compassion etc are important and try to live a "good" life without being a doormat.
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
I believe in some sort of gods goddesses call em what u like. Evolution is a great theory but its still only a theory and my mind is open. My dissatisfaction stems from the need to believe that life in all its complexity and diversity is random. It kind of sticks in my intellectual throat.
I dont want to join some religious club. I dont want to live by rules imposed by a desert nomad tribe 7000 years ago and I dont give a shit if othe rpeople choose to make different choices.
I do believe that the basics of compassion etc are important and try to live a "good" life without being a doormat.
There's nothing random about it,it's maths....in a (virtually) infinite universe with only a finite number of elements the probability of anything NOT happening is nothing compared to the certainty that it will.
One thing I find confusing is the Birth of Christ.
Now we all celebrate the 25th of December as his birth. But the experts say with the information they have, he could not have possibly been born at that time of the year. Their estimates are around I think mid October.
Now if that is right and his Birthday is some three months out of sync, then how much of the other stuff has been slanted over the centuries?
My question is how can anybody believe in something nobody has ever seen?
IF somebody started saying they were going to worship Martians, they would be carted off, but I cannot see any difference.
I believe that religions are born to keep the masses in check from thousands of years ago, and has been carried on since then.
Has anybody ever seen any God?
If not how can anyone believe in something that IF nobody has ever seen, the logical reason for that is they do not exist?
Now we all celebrate the 25th of December as his birth. But the experts say with the information they have, he could not have possibly been born at that time of the year. Their estimates are around I think mid October.
Now if that is right and his Birthday is some three months out of sync, then how much of the other stuff has been slanted over the centuries?
My question is how can anybody believe in something nobody has ever seen?
IF somebody started saying they were going to worship Martians, they would be carted off, but I cannot see any difference.
I believe that religions are born to keep the masses in check from thousands of years ago, and has been carried on since then.
Has anybody ever seen any God?
If not how can anyone believe in something that IF nobody has ever seen, the logical reason for that is they do not exist?
