have never heard of load of twiddle today,the knuckle head government announced measures to tests doctors competence anually,a move where patients accounts of their GP will determine their future...i ask is this move really to weed out incompetent doctors or there a secret agenda behind it...
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Sex God
Surely it is important for a profession such as the medical one to have in place a set of checks and balances?
I don't know much about current appraisal requirements, but if anything were to improve the standard of patient care or weed out incompetence or, god forbid, prevent another Shipman case, then I think it can only be of benefit.
I don't know much about current appraisal requirements, but if anything were to improve the standard of patient care or weed out incompetence or, god forbid, prevent another Shipman case, then I think it can only be of benefit.
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Surely it is important for a profession such as the medical one to have in place a set of checks and balances?
I don't know much about current appraisal requirements, but if anything were to improve the standard of patient care or weed out incompetence or, god forbid, prevent another Shipman case, then I think it can only be of benefit.
do you realise shipman could have passed this gimmick test with flying colours,conning over 300 elderly women to change wills is a proof of trust(breach of trust)
Quote by noladreams30
Surely it is important for a profession such as the medical one to have in place a set of checks and balances?
I don't know much about current appraisal requirements, but if anything were to improve the standard of patient care or weed out incompetence or, god forbid, prevent another Shipman case, then I think it can only be of benefit.
Could not agree more.
Sex God
Quote by Phuckers
Surely it is important for a profession such as the medical one to have in place a set of checks and balances?
I don't know much about current appraisal requirements, but if anything were to improve the standard of patient care or weed out incompetence or, god forbid, prevent another Shipman case, then I think it can only be of benefit.
do you realise shipman could have passed this gimmick test with flying colours,conning over 300 elderly women to change wills is a proof of trust(breach of trust)
Yeah, I guess so.
Thing is, having worked in industries where appraisals (and performance related pay) are just a complete fact of life, I don't really have a problem with them. As long as these new yearly check ups don't add loads of extra workload on doctors and detract from their 'day jobs' then I think they're a good idea.
Quote by noladreams30
Surely it is important for a profession such as the medical one to have in place a set of checks and balances?
I don't know much about current appraisal requirements, but if anything were to improve the standard of patient care or weed out incompetence or, god forbid, prevent another Shipman case, then I think it can only be of benefit.
do you realise shipman could have passed this gimmick test with flying colours,conning over 300 elderly women to change wills is a proof of trust(breach of trust)
Yeah, I guess so.
Thing is, having worked in industries where appraisals (and performance related pay) are just a complete fact of life, I don't really have a problem with them. As long as these new yearly check ups don't add loads of extra workload on doctors and detract from their 'day jobs' then I think they're a good idea.
am just suprised this form of appraisals has not been practiced with doctors but this new move will affect their heavy workload,remember doctors are contracted to 60hours a week
Forum Virgin
we think that this will just be another layer of bureaucracy that will serve no useful purpose,why not improve the systems we already have in all if the countrywide coverage is patchy then sort the system out not invent another one that is open to abuse by vindictive the end of the day why not give the B.M.A. more teeth for example.
a doctor spend nearly quarter of their lifes training for the proffession ,does every hour under the sun to achieve the knownledge and expertise of being a the red tape govt to turn around and ask the patient who some are merlingering wank stains who have never set foot in a classroom to determine doctors future ,some will grass their doctors for not issuing them with sick notes so they can work extra for cash in hand.
just what brains are behind this cabinet of children
where is the steamroom!
just what brains are behind this cabinet of children
where is the steamroom!
Sex God
Quote by Phuckers
Surely it is important for a profession such as the medical one to have in place a set of checks and balances?
I don't know much about current appraisal requirements, but if anything were to improve the standard of patient care or weed out incompetence or, god forbid, prevent another Shipman case, then I think it can only be of benefit.
do you realise shipman could have passed this gimmick test with flying colours,conning over 300 elderly women to change wills is a proof of trust(breach of trust)
This is the real problem isn't it? These measures have been brought about as a knee jerk reaction to situations like the Shipman case, and to reassure patients about the competency of their doctors.
However Shipman's competency was never in question. His problem laid elsewhere and therefore any competency measures would not have any effect on the final outcome. Instead doctors will have other pressures to consider and will be less tolerant of patients, who will be of less importance in terms of getting through the competency criteria, and so will be pushed through the system even faster than they are now in order to satisfy another government target.
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have never heard of load of twiddle today,the knuckle head government announced measures to tests doctors competence anually,a move where patients accounts of their GP will determine their future...i ask is this move really to weed out incompetent doctors or there a secret agenda behind it...
Can I ask why you think why you think it's a load of 'twiddle'?
Surely making sure a Doctor is peforming as they should be is the same as you or I having a Supervision session with our Line Managers?
People's health are paramount and I totally agree with the new proposal.
Sex God
Quote by Phuckers
have never heard of load of twiddle today,the knuckle head government announced measures to tests doctors competence anually,a move where patients accounts of their GP will determine their future...i ask is this move really to weed out incompetent doctors or there a secret agenda behind it...
That's no different from the many professions that already have their performance monitored. Can't see why it's a problem myself.
Quote by Phuckers
Surely it is important for a profession such as the medical one to have in place a set of checks and balances?
I don't know much about current appraisal requirements, but if anything were to improve the standard of patient care or weed out incompetence or, god forbid, prevent another Shipman case, then I think it can only be of benefit.
do you realise shipman could have passed this gimmick test with flying colours,conning over 300 elderly women to change wills is a proof of trust(breach of trust)
this is a test of incompetence...of course Shipman would of passed,he wasn't incompetent he was a serial killer.
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have never heard of load of twiddle today,the knuckle head government announced measures to tests doctors competence anually,a move where patients accounts of their GP will determine their future...i ask is this move really to weed out incompetent doctors or there a secret agenda behind it...
Can I ask why you think why you think it's a load of 'twiddle'?
Surely making sure a Doctor is peforming as they should be is the same as you or I having a Supervision session with ourLine Managers?People's health are paramount and I totally agree with the new proposal.
the only reason i think this is a gimmick is words in bold,letting doctors future to be determined but mere patients who might have there own agenda is wrong..doctors have always been assesed by governing bodies
Sex God
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the only reason i think this is a gimmick is words in bold,letting doctors future to be determined but mere patients who might have there own agenda is wrong..doctors have always been assesed by governing bodies
They still will be assessed by the relevant regulatory bodies. Patient opinions are just a part of the review process. They aren't suggesting that it will be just the views of patients which will determine the future of a doctor. Obviously they recognise that some patients will 'have their own agenda', due to poor handling of their illness/complaint, by a doctor.
I thought, from the thread title, that we were setting quiz's for the GP's to take. Like a pub quiz but with more biology. 
It is a long time coming. As for the shipman thingamabobs there had been plenty of complaints about his 'practice' but they had never been pursued it was as a result of build up of complaints that he was 'caught'
Anyhoo he was a serial killer. There isn't a test for that yet that doesn't involve a pile of bodies.
Back to the point. I think..... yes, I think it is a grand idea. I know that all my g.p's would pass with flying colours. I would presume from the little bits that I read in t'newspaper that what is being suggested is a more random questionnaire being sent out to registered patients etc. A sort of satisfaction survey.
I work in a similar field where my whole business is shaped by regular 'customer' feedback. It has meant my business being open at random times and not shutting for lunch etc. We actually display every piece of feedback that is less than 3 months old. (no space for more) Makes for interesting reading.
It is a long time coming. As for the shipman thingamabobs there had been plenty of complaints about his 'practice' but they had never been pursued it was as a result of build up of complaints that he was 'caught'
Anyhoo he was a serial killer. There isn't a test for that yet that doesn't involve a pile of bodies.
Back to the point. I think..... yes, I think it is a grand idea. I know that all my g.p's would pass with flying colours. I would presume from the little bits that I read in t'newspaper that what is being suggested is a more random questionnaire being sent out to registered patients etc. A sort of satisfaction survey.
I work in a similar field where my whole business is shaped by regular 'customer' feedback. It has meant my business being open at random times and not shutting for lunch etc. We actually display every piece of feedback that is less than 3 months old. (no space for more) Makes for interesting reading.
Quote by Phuckers
have never heard of load of twiddle today,the knuckle head government announced measures to tests doctors competence anually,a move where patients accounts of their GP will determine their future...i ask is this move really to weed out incompetent doctors or there a secret agenda behind it...
Can I ask why you think why you think it's a load of 'twiddle'?
Surely making sure a Doctor is peforming as they should be is the same as you or I having a Supervision session with ourLine Managers?People's health are paramount and I totally agree with the new proposal.
the only reason i think this is a gimmick is words in bold,letting doctors future to be determined but mere patientswho might have there own agenda is wrong..doctors have always been assesed by governing bodies
The "mere" patients are the Dr's reason for being.
Our surgery has two good Doctors, one amazingly wonderful Doctor, and one who is mediocre. If one patient was to raise concerns about said Doctor , I doubt it would make much difference. If several patients did so, hopefully any problems could be picked up.
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someone said up there somewhere ^^^^ that doctors spend a third of their life being trained.. do they all die at 21 ?
I am just concerned as my son is considering medicine (his flippin' teachers have far too much sway
S'allright. Twas Phuckers, and he said "nearly a quarter"
So you'll be relieved to know his life expectancy would be at least 28
Bloody hell :shock:
All the Doc's at my surgery are at least 45. Are they frauds? One of them has seen my minge :scared:
"Patients will be asked for details on how their doctor communicates, including how well he or she explains and listens.
The degree to which patients are involved in decisions about their treatment and whether they are treated with dignity and respect will also be taken into account."
doctors have always been assesed to ensure they've not employed some butcher to work in our wards,but the govt. lost a case in the beginning of the year to immigration tribunal against deporting new doctors from outside european union after spending years poaching them from asian and poor sub saharan in revenge they introduce tougher measures to try weed them off the country....
The degree to which patients are involved in decisions about their treatment and whether they are treated with dignity and respect will also be taken into account."
doctors have always been assesed to ensure they've not employed some butcher to work in our wards,but the govt. lost a case in the beginning of the year to immigration tribunal against deporting new doctors from outside european union after spending years poaching them from asian and poor sub saharan in revenge they introduce tougher measures to try weed them off the country....
Sex God
Quote by Phuckers
"Patients will be asked for details on how their doctor communicates, including how well he or she explains and listens.
The degree to which patients are involved in decisions about their treatment and whether they are treated with dignity and respect will also be taken into account."
doctors have always been assesed to ensure they've not employed some butcher to work in our wards,but the govt. lost a case in the beginning of the year to immigration tribunal against deporting new doctors from outside european union after spending years poaching them from asian and poor sub saharan in revenge they introduce tougher measures to try weed them off the country....
Its been a long time since I read something that was such utter tripe (IMHO) ....
The new measures are there to ensure Doctors are performing to standards.......Nothing more.......And if they are found to be below par in certain areas I dare say they will become elligable for training in those areas....
Where this revenge theory comes from is anyones guess
Quote by Steve
"Patients will be asked for details on how their doctor communicates, including how well he or she explains and listens.
The degree to which patients are involved in decisions about their treatment and whether they are treated with dignity and respect will also be taken into account."
doctors have always been assesed to ensure they've not employed some butcher to work in our wards,but the govt. lost a case in the beginning of the year to immigration tribunal against deporting new doctors from outside european union after spending years poaching them from asian and poor sub saharan in revenge they introduce tougher measures to try weed them off the country....
Its been a long time since I read something that was such utter tripe (IMHO) ....
The new measures are there to ensure Doctors are performing to standards.......Nothing more.......And if they are found to be below par in certain areas I dare say they will become elligable for training in those areas....
Where this revenge theory comes from is anyones guess
call it what you wish but a doctor from india being suspended because he/she cant understand brummie,liverpool,geordie accent has nothing to do with competent doctor!
Quote by Phuckers
"Patients will be asked for details on how their doctor communicates, including how well he or she explains and listens.
The degree to which patients are involved in decisions about their treatment and whether they are treated with dignity and respect will also be taken into account."
doctors have always been assesed to ensure they've not employed some butcher to work in our wards,but the govt. lost a case in the beginning of the year to immigration tribunal against deporting new doctors from outside european union after spending years poaching them from asian and poor sub saharan in revenge they introduce tougher measures to try weed them off the country....
Its been a long time since I read something that was such utter tripe (IMHO) ....
The new measures are there to ensure Doctors are performing to standards.......Nothing more.......And if they are found to be below par in certain areas I dare say they will become elligable for training in those areas....
Where this revenge theory comes from is anyones guess
call it what you wish but a doctor from india being suspended because he/she cant understand brummie,liverpool,geordie accent has nothing to do with competent doctor!
Given that a doctor's first skill should be communication then yes it does seem to me to be a measure of competency. You can hardly cure someone if you can't understand what the fuck is wrong with them.
It's just like Indian call centres, only in reverse!
Sex God
Quote by Phuckers
am just suprised this form of appraisals has not been practiced with doctors but this new move will affect their heavy workload,remember doctors are contracted to 60hours a week
Phuckers, I'm not sure where you are getting your facts from but doctors are not contracted to 60 hours a week
My sister is a doctor and there is no way that she works 60 hrs....yes she works hard and does unpaid overtime but not the figures you say. Sex God
Quote by Peanut
"Patients will be asked for details on how their doctor communicates, including how well he or she explains and listens.
The degree to which patients are involved in decisions about their treatment and whether they are treated with dignity and respect will also be taken into account."
doctors have always been assesed to ensure they've not employed some butcher to work in our wards,but the govt. lost a case in the beginning of the year to immigration tribunal against deporting new doctors from outside european union after spending years poaching them from asian and poor sub saharan in revenge they introduce tougher measures to try weed them off the country....
Its been a long time since I read something that was such utter tripe (IMHO) ....
The new measures are there to ensure Doctors are performing to standards.......Nothing more.......And if they are found to be below par in certain areas I dare say they will become elligable for training in those areas....
Where this revenge theory comes from is anyones guess
call it what you wish but a doctor from india being suspended because he/she cant understand brummie,liverpool,geordie accent has nothing to do with competent doctor!
Given that a doctor's first skill should be communication then yes it does seem to me to be a measure of competency. You can hardly cure someone if you can't understand what the fuck is wrong with them.
It's just like Indian call centres, only in reverse!
It seems we have to agree :shock:
Sex God
Quote by Peanut
"Patients will be asked for details on how their doctor communicates, including how well he or she explains and listens.
The degree to which patients are involved in decisions about their treatment and whether they are treated with dignity and respect will also be taken into account."
doctors have always been assesed to ensure they've not employed some butcher to work in our wards,but the govt. lost a case in the beginning of the year to immigration tribunal against deporting new doctors from outside european union after spending years poaching them from asian and poor sub saharan in revenge they introduce tougher measures to try weed them off the country....
Its been a long time since I read something that was such utter tripe (IMHO) ....
The new measures are there to ensure Doctors are performing to standards.......Nothing more.......And if they are found to be below par in certain areas I dare say they will become elligable for training in those areas....
Where this revenge theory comes from is anyones guess
call it what you wish but a doctor from india being suspended because he/she cant understand brummie,liverpool,geordie accent has nothing to do with competent doctor!
Given that a doctor's first skill should be communication then yes it does seem to me to be a measure of competency. You can hardly cure someone if you can't understand what the fuck is wrong with them.
It's just like Indian call centres, only in reverse!
Agreed. And Phuckers, nowhere does it say that the only thing that will be taken into account is the opinions of patients.
Quote by Phuckers
have never heard of load of twiddle today,the knuckle head government announced measures to tests doctors competence anually,a move where patients accounts of their GP will determine their future...i ask is this move really to weed out incompetent doctors or there a secret agenda behind it...
Can I ask why you think why you think it's a load of 'twiddle'?
Surely making sure a Doctor is peforming as they should be is the same as you or I having a Supervision session with ourLine Managers?People's health are paramount and I totally agree with the new proposal.
the only reason i think this is a gimmick is words in bold,letting doctors future to be determined but mere patients who might have there own agenda is wrong..doctors have always been assesed by governing bodies
but, all our futures are determined by how we perform in work settings does it not?
no performance and not up to the job description and your out 