do you think its time the sale of fireworks other than to licenced displays should be outlawed ?
every year :
animals are injured either accidentally or diliberately
children get burned and or disfigured
all animals get scared silly by the noise
property and vehicles get damaged
is it really neccesary ?
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should non licenced firework sales be outlawed
no carry on as we are
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outlaw sales completely
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Quote by SXBOY
do you think its time the sale of fireworks other than to licenced displays should be outlawed ?
every year :
animals are injured either accidentally or diliberately
children get burned and or disfigured
all animals get scared silly by the noise
property and vehicles get damaged
is it really neccesary ?
Make it a Poll and watch the result mate
phredd
i think that banning them for public sale is the best thing we could do.
with public displays getting safer, and grander by the year, what is the point of having the tin-pot little fizzlers we buy from the shops.
to handle explosives normally, you need the required acreditaions, and licenses.
for fireworks, which at the end of the day are still explosives, we can just walk into a shop, and buy them over the counter, and they can then get into the hands of idiots.
i have never had any bad experiances with fireworks, infact i enjoy watching a good display, i dont consider myself a killjoy either, but the sale of fireworks over the counter is a thing of the past, go to a properly organised display.
with public displays getting safer, and grander by the year, what is the point of having the tin-pot little fizzlers we buy from the shops.
to handle explosives normally, you need the required acreditaions, and licenses.
for fireworks, which at the end of the day are still explosives, we can just walk into a shop, and buy them over the counter, and they can then get into the hands of idiots.
i have never had any bad experiances with fireworks, infact i enjoy watching a good display, i dont consider myself a killjoy either, but the sale of fireworks over the counter is a thing of the past, go to a properly organised display.
Should garden water features be banned by the same token? What about toilet seats and underpants?
In 2004 there were a total of 1160 hospital visits due to fireworks. 0 of these resulted in a death. ( )
In 2002 there were 4,396 reported 'accidents' of over exertion. Should we ban sport, or sex?
What about the 6,627 'accidents' in the bathroom/toilet, should we ban these areas too?
There were 611 sewing/knitting accidents
2,044 'Toy, game, novelty, joke, firework, etc' accidents.
1,288 'household linen decoration or other item' accidents.( )
Lets ban napkin rings, eh?
Chris
In 2004 there were a total of 1160 hospital visits due to fireworks. 0 of these resulted in a death. ( )
In 2002 there were 4,396 reported 'accidents' of over exertion. Should we ban sport, or sex?
What about the 6,627 'accidents' in the bathroom/toilet, should we ban these areas too?
There were 611 sewing/knitting accidents
2,044 'Toy, game, novelty, joke, firework, etc' accidents.
1,288 'household linen decoration or other item' accidents.( )
Lets ban napkin rings, eh?
Chris
Quote by marmalaid
Should garden water features be banned by the same token? What about toilet seats and underpants?
In 2004 there were a total of 1160 hospital visits due to fireworks. 0 of these resulted in a death. (source)
In 2002 there were 4,396 reported 'accidents' of over exertion. Should we ban sport, or sex?
What about the 6,627 'accidents' in the bathroom/toilet, should we ban these areas too?
There were 611 sewing/knitting accidents
2,044 'Toy, game, novelty, joke, firework, etc' accidents.
1,288 'household linen decoration or other item' accidents.(Source: mostly page 130)
Lets ban napkin rings, eh?
Chris
marmalaid i knew you would have a dig,,but seriously kids dont throw toilets at other kids or cats
a bit of household linen shoved through your letterbox does not exactly scare me with fear
bet the knitting accidents were old dears who need eyetests
come on mate..i was being serious with this
Sex God
Quote by marmalaid
Should garden water features be banned by the same token? What about toilet seats and underpants?
In 2004 there were a total of 1160 hospital visits due to fireworks. 0 of these resulted in a death. (source)
In 2002 there were 4,396 reported 'accidents' of over exertion. Should we ban sport, or sex?
What about the 6,627 'accidents' in the bathroom/toilet, should we ban these areas too?
There were 611 sewing/knitting accidents
2,044 'Toy, game, novelty, joke, firework, etc' accidents.
1,288 'household linen decoration or other item' accidents.(Source: mostly page 130)
Lets ban napkin rings, eh?
Chris
Chris... I would agreed with you, however up to a point this is where the statistics may be skewed.....
for all of the other statistics you quote they may well be more evenly spread through out the year.... I am guessing that aprox 10 days either side of nov 5th the one for fireworks are going to shoot up (no pun intended)
living where i do it seems that youngster still manage to get hold of fireworks and cause a nuisance in the evenings with them even though the ages for fireworks sales is 18, something is not working....
I would personally only sell them for licensed displays.......do you really need them for home use???
sean xxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by marmalaid
Should garden water features be banned by the same token? What about toilet seats and underpants?
In 2004 there were a total of 1160 hospital visits due to fireworks. 0 of these resulted in a death. (source)
In 2002 there were 4,396 reported 'accidents' of over exertion. Should we ban sport, or sex?
What about the 6,627 'accidents' in the bathroom/toilet, should we ban these areas too?
There were 611 sewing/knitting accidents
2,044 'Toy, game, novelty, joke, firework, etc' accidents.
1,288 'household linen decoration or other item' accidents.(Source: mostly page 130)
Lets ban napkin rings, eh?
Chris
marms, i know you probebly did this in jest, but being close friends with a paramedic, and after his tales of horrific burns to youngsters, which they will carry for the rest of thier lives, and normally from no fault of thier own, its about time we stopped the madness
Quote by fabio grooverider
Should garden water features be banned by the same token? What about toilet seats and underpants?
In 2004 there were a total of 1160 hospital visits due to fireworks. 0 of these resulted in a death. (source)
In 2002 there were 4,396 reported 'accidents' of over exertion. Should we ban sport, or sex?
What about the 6,627 'accidents' in the bathroom/toilet, should we ban these areas too?
There were 611 sewing/knitting accidents
2,044 'Toy, game, novelty, joke, firework, etc' accidents.
1,288 'household linen decoration or other item' accidents.(Source: mostly page 130)
Lets ban napkin rings, eh?
Chris
Chris... I would agreed with you, however up to a point this is where the statistics may be skewed.....
for all of the other statistics you quote they may well be more evenly spread through out the year.... I am guessing that aprox 10 days either side of nov 5th the one for fireworks are going to shoot up (no pun intended)
living where i do it seems that youngster still manage to get hold of fireworks and cause a nuisance in the evenings with them even though the ages for fireworks sales is 18, something is not working....
I would personally only sell them for licensed displays.......do you really need them for home use???
sean xxxxxxxxxxxx
Point well made Sean.
Thanks mate = did not look at it that way.
phredd
Orgasminator
There was a thread about this last year and probably the year before that and so on.
We can't ban everything that may cause harm. We're living in a society nowadays where it seems no matter what you do, there will always be bad consequences.
I personally enjoy fireworks, especially at home. We have them every year, my dad goes and gets a load of them, my mum makes the hotdogs and burgers then we all gather into the back garden to watch the display. It's one of the only times we all get together as a family and have some fun.
Sure, I get a little nervous when my dad lights them as you never know what could go wrong. My childhood was full of happy memories due to this small event that happened once a year - along with others of course.
I've seen the statistics and know that in the wrong hands fireworks can be dangerous but we're not all stupid and we don't all go round shoving them through letterboxes.
I think the onus should be on the shops selling them and also the parents of the kids who go round letting them off in the street - that happens round here for at least a month before and after November 5th.
I think in this day and age we're all too quick to ban things, rather than find another solution.
We can't ban everything that may cause harm. We're living in a society nowadays where it seems no matter what you do, there will always be bad consequences.
I personally enjoy fireworks, especially at home. We have them every year, my dad goes and gets a load of them, my mum makes the hotdogs and burgers then we all gather into the back garden to watch the display. It's one of the only times we all get together as a family and have some fun.
Sure, I get a little nervous when my dad lights them as you never know what could go wrong. My childhood was full of happy memories due to this small event that happened once a year - along with others of course.
I've seen the statistics and know that in the wrong hands fireworks can be dangerous but we're not all stupid and we don't all go round shoving them through letterboxes.
I think the onus should be on the shops selling them and also the parents of the kids who go round letting them off in the street - that happens round here for at least a month before and after November 5th.
I think in this day and age we're all too quick to ban things, rather than find another solution.
Quote by onlyme1981
There was a thread about this last year and probably the year before that and so on.
We can't ban everything that may cause harm. We're living in a society nowadays where it seems no matter what you do, there will always be bad consequences.
I personally enjoy fireworks, especially at home. We have them every year, my dad goes and gets a load of them, my mum makes the hotdogs and burgers then we all gather into the back garden to watch the display. It's one of the only times we all get together as a family and have some fun.
Sure, I get a little nervous when my dad lights them as you never know what could go wrong. My childhood was full of happy memories due to this small event that happened once a year - along with others of course.
I've seen the statistics and know that in the wrong hands fireworks can be dangerous but we're not all stupid and we don't all go round shoving them through letterboxes.
I think the onus should be on the shops selling them and also the parents of the kids who go round letting them off in the street - that happens round here for at least a month before and after November 5th.
I think in this day and age we're all too quick to ban things, rather than find another solution.
The powers that have placed the "onus" on retailers by banning the sale of fireworks to those UNDER THE AGE OF 18 but it still goes on.
A firework is a Explosive Deviceand should be treated in the same way as other explosives are, ie., banned or sold by liscence holders only.
phredd
Orgasminator
Quote by Fred aka Medic 1
There was a thread about this last year and probably the year before that and so on.
We can't ban everything that may cause harm. We're living in a society nowadays where it seems no matter what you do, there will always be bad consequences.
I personally enjoy fireworks, especially at home. We have them every year, my dad goes and gets a load of them, my mum makes the hotdogs and burgers then we all gather into the back garden to watch the display. It's one of the only times we all get together as a family and have some fun.
Sure, I get a little nervous when my dad lights them as you never know what could go wrong. My childhood was full of happy memories due to this small event that happened once a year - along with others of course.
I've seen the statistics and know that in the wrong hands fireworks can be dangerous but we're not all stupid and we don't all go round shoving them through letterboxes.
I think the onus should be on the shops selling them and also the parents of the kids who go round letting them off in the street - that happens round here for at least a month before and after November 5th.
I think in this day and age we're all too quick to ban things, rather than find another solution.
The powers that have placed the "onus" on retailers by banning the sale of fireworks to those UNDER THE AGE OF 18 but it still goes on.
A firework is a Explosive Deviceand should be treated in the same way as other explosives are, ie., banned or sold by liscence holders only.
phredd
I know that fireworks shouldn't be sold to persons under 18 but shops still do it - I meant that the shops should be answerable when children are found to have them.
I think I'll agree to disagree on this one. I have "man flu" so I can't be arsed to argue my point right now!
Quote by onlyme1981
I know that fireworks shouldn't be sold to persons under 18 but shops still do it - I meant that the shops should be answerable when children are found to have them.
I think I'll agree to disagree on this one. I have "man flu" so I can't be arsed to argue my point right now!
I agree with shops being answerable for selling to under age.
Would it not be more sensible for the shop to hold a"Explosives Permit" of a kind to ensure the law is not being broken.
:phredd
Orgasminator
Quote by dambuster
Lets ban napkin rings, eh?
I think that's a little harsh, bordering on Draconian.
I would agree though that they should carry some sort of warning.
Perhaps . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Not to be used as Cock Rings"
:rotflmao: You always manage to make me laugh Dammy!
I have no problem with properly licensed public firework displays, and I agree that we can't go around banning everything that ever causes an accident, but the firework put through the letterbox was used as a weapon to commit a crime "Arson with intent to endanger life".
The person who we believe did it, ( no one was ever convicted ) was over 18 so was able to buy the firework quite legally.
In the wrong hands, fireworks are dangerous things. As, granted, are many other items with quite legitamate uses, and I am no killjoy, but there should be restrictions on something that is regularly used irresponsibly.
The person who we believe did it, ( no one was ever convicted ) was over 18 so was able to buy the firework quite legally.
In the wrong hands, fireworks are dangerous things. As, granted, are many other items with quite legitamate uses, and I am no killjoy, but there should be restrictions on something that is regularly used irresponsibly.
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Sex God
We used to have an organised display in our area... It was on the beach... up until about 8 yrs ago... They banned it because there were many youngsters and local idiots going into shops and buying there own... Then standing on the roofs of shalets, lighting and throwing them into the crowds of familys with young kids.
I myself have always been pertified of fireworks... and on bonfire nite, i come home when its light and do not venture out again till the next day... Maybe some people may think im sad... but tuff... its a fear as is fire with me.
I say ban it all ....... :cheers:
I myself have always been pertified of fireworks... and on bonfire nite, i come home when its light and do not venture out again till the next day... Maybe some people may think im sad... but tuff... its a fear as is fire with me.
I say ban it all ....... :cheers:
its a fair point that no people died from fireworks in 2004 but does anybody know how many children will be scarred for life needing years of help comming to terms with what happened to them & putting up with taunts from single brain celled morons!!! it does happen 
thats without thinking about the cats & other animals that DO get maimed & killed by sick minded idiots "just having a laugh" is it really fair for a proud independant cat to have an explosive tied to its tail i think not
personally i think that individual fireworks should be banned as these are easy for children & mentally retarded alults to get hold of!!
the alternative i think would be organised displays & the only fireworks that should be sold to the general public should be the large box type that gives you a display type of show all timed & great fireworks they may be a little more expensive b ut this would stop a lot of kids getting there hands on them & would be a lot safer as you only light one touch paper!!!
sorry about going on but i do feel strongly about this
hope you all have a safe happy 5th nov including all cats & pets
:)
thats without thinking about the cats & other animals that DO get maimed & killed by sick minded idiots "just having a laugh" is it really fair for a proud independant cat to have an explosive tied to its tail i think not
personally i think that individual fireworks should be banned as these are easy for children & mentally retarded alults to get hold of!!
the alternative i think would be organised displays & the only fireworks that should be sold to the general public should be the large box type that gives you a display type of show all timed & great fireworks they may be a little more expensive b ut this would stop a lot of kids getting there hands on them & would be a lot safer as you only light one touch paper!!!
sorry about going on but i do feel strongly about this
hope you all have a safe happy 5th nov including all cats & pets
:) Quote by SXBOY
do you think its time the sale of fireworks other than to licenced displays should be outlawed ?
every year :
animals are injured either accidentally or diliberately
children get burned and or disfigured
all animals get scared silly by the noise
property and vehicles get damaged
is it really neccesary ?
I don't like fireworks for all the above reasons......as I recently stated in a similar thread not long ago. They should be banned from sale to anyone other than organised fire displays.
I had one shot at me once when out with friends and it missed me narrowly and it has frightened me off them ever since. Also I think sparklers are really dangerous and the thought of giving them to kids........its ridiculous!
BAN BAN BAN
Nanny state, nanny state, let's ban anything that's howible and nasty, no matter people's own responsibility for their very own actions.
Let's get the government to sort out our own stupidity and turn us into little kiddies who can''t think for ouselves because we'll hurt ourselves by doing howible things!
Ban cars too, they kill people, or is it the drivers that do? Let's ban sex too, people get horrible diseases from it. Let's ban birds; avian flu is coming our way. Shoot any bird you see flying past your house....
Argh I think I'm a weird mood today....can anyone tell?
I need a wank!
Sorry if I have upset anyone of a sensitive disposition
Let's get the government to sort out our own stupidity and turn us into little kiddies who can''t think for ouselves because we'll hurt ourselves by doing howible things!
Ban cars too, they kill people, or is it the drivers that do? Let's ban sex too, people get horrible diseases from it. Let's ban birds; avian flu is coming our way. Shoot any bird you see flying past your house....
Argh I think I'm a weird mood today....can anyone tell?
I need a wank!
Sorry if I have upset anyone of a sensitive disposition
Quote by Amber
do you think its time the sale of fireworks other than to licenced displays should be outlawed ?
every year :
animals are injured either accidentally or diliberately
children get burned and or disfigured
all animals get scared silly by the noise
property and vehicles get damaged
is it really neccesary ?
I don't like fireworks for all the above reasons......as I recently stated in a similar thread not long ago. They should be banned from sale to anyone other than organised fire displays..."
I'll second this!
We've had bloody fireworks going off nightly with the run up to Bonfire night where I live for 3 weeks already. There's a local 'specialist' store which sells the damn things all year round - and while ya kinda expect to hear a few bangs on New Years eve or other date of significant occasion - I dont want my daughter woken at 11pm by some twat down the road setting fireworks off mid-August. Nor do I want my (usually nasty as hell) dog cowering under my desk having palpitations and needing vetinary medication to stop her having a frigging heart attack. Nor do I want to be locking my cats indoors each night because I live in an area where it's quite likely they'd come crawling home in agony and missing a tail. And this happens year in, year out, all year bloody round!
If fireworks (and as has been quite rightly pointed out, these are explosives) were only sold to experienced pyrotechnics for the purpose of organised displays for November 5th I'd be a happy bunny. My daughter doesnt miss out on the 'celebrations', we travel miles and dont mind paying for the priviledge of seeing a proper display in a controlled environment where I feel she is safe.
It's not really about bowing to a nanny state - its about stopping kids and people who have no regard for the safety and welfare of others (including animals) getting hold of them.
Orgasminator
I'm in two minds about this. When I was growing up we used to have fireworks every year and as my birthday's on the 1st of November we often had them for my birthday party. As I've got older I've set off quite a few myself. Mostly they've all worked properly and not posed a danger to anyone, but I've seen a few interesting near-misses.
1) My dad buried a large mortar firework the wrong way up, when it went off it launched the still-burning tube 20-30 metres up, taking out our next-door neighbour's shed when it landed.
2) A 48-shot display firework that fell over on the first shot, firing the next 40-odd at the spectating goths lined up against a wall. Somehow everyone dived for cover and nobody got hit, but for two minutes it was like being on the wrong end of a firing squad.
3) Several rockets that fell over or were caught by the wind on launching and ended up pointing at me.
I also used to live somewhere that suffered year round from kids with fireworks, with a peak between October and New Year when we'd regularly have them set off all evening until midnight or later. Now I've heard the odd one or two, but not really enough to be bothered by them.
On balance I'd be in favour of greater regulation of who can sell fireworks, but I wouldn't want their sale banned completely.
1) My dad buried a large mortar firework the wrong way up, when it went off it launched the still-burning tube 20-30 metres up, taking out our next-door neighbour's shed when it landed.
2) A 48-shot display firework that fell over on the first shot, firing the next 40-odd at the spectating goths lined up against a wall. Somehow everyone dived for cover and nobody got hit, but for two minutes it was like being on the wrong end of a firing squad.
3) Several rockets that fell over or were caught by the wind on launching and ended up pointing at me.
I also used to live somewhere that suffered year round from kids with fireworks, with a peak between October and New Year when we'd regularly have them set off all evening until midnight or later. Now I've heard the odd one or two, but not really enough to be bothered by them.
On balance I'd be in favour of greater regulation of who can sell fireworks, but I wouldn't want their sale banned completely.
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On a serious note, I HATE fireworks because they are dangerous and they scare the shit out of my 2 dogs. I can't stand watching the state the poor dogs get in. Even giving them tablets from the vet, they are still very distressed.
Its not just one night a year though is it. People are letting fireworks off for about a fortnight before and after bonfire night not to mention Christmas and New Year too
A firework killed one of my dogs years ago and she was only 11 months old :cry:
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