i totally agree with that i used to live some 20 miles from the supermarket yes we had shops but the prices was rediculously overpriced i used to work mon -sat and there was no buses on sunday to get near the supermarket having a young child it was difficult to always buy fresh what is it they say about prevention better is than cure think the same applies to this also but sometimes its difficult
Yup, educate. Reach as many people as is humanly possible. However, it's those who need the help the most who can't be reached.
Now I really am gonna be shot....
I have a theory. :shock: Bear in mind whilst reading this that I was bought up, on a shoestring, on a very rough northern council estate.
How many gap toothed, greasy haired, barely coherent people people do you see when you're out & about? How many of said people do you see with partners who are clean, tidy & reasonably intelligent? Im trying not to use any derogatary words, so i'll differetiate this way.
There are people you wouldn't mind sitting next to on the bus, and there are people who make you want to stand up. Simple as. We all have different levels of tolerance, but they're there.
The people you wouldn't sit next to don't "breed" with the people you would do they? Like attracts like. Now, imagine the children of the people who make you want to stand. It's likely that there will be several of them. They will not have had the best start gene wise. It's fairly likely they won't have the best of starts parenting wise (although there are exeptions to the rule.) These are the kids to whom a better diet would make most difference. They're also the ones who are least likely to get it. They are the kids whose parent's would protest that the school was introducing health dinners.
These kids will grow into adults, who will "breed" with more people like them. Think about the genetic effect. The people you don't mind sitting next to frequently "breed" with people of a "higher social standing" than themselves. It's hugely unlikely though that the great unwashed will do so.
Ok, i'm rambling & the kids have rumbling tummy's, so i'll get to the point!
I think that because of this snowball effect, society is going to continue in a downward spiral. It saddens me enormously, but I wholeheartedly believe that the rot has set in, and it goes too deep to fix. I hope that I am wrong.
PS from Mr Winch; I can't believe your posting that! :shock:
I’ve read the BBC link given a few times. I’ve come to the conclusion that its not actually that clear who can claim as it uses too many quotes from different organisations. Whom all have a point of view of what they think is important and who they feel the one off payment should be aimed at!
Quote from Website “To get the payment, however, a woman would have to meet with a health professional for tips on pregnancy health and welfare advice.”
So it wont be that easy to claim!! You have to start jumping through hoops to get it from the start???
As for comments about young parents, I used to run a teenage mums group 16 - 25 yrs old, some in relationships, some not! Guess what their biggest gripe was??? Teenage mums getting pregnant to get a flat/house!! They felt that because of the media hype etc all young mums were tarred with the same brush and very much resented it. So much of our time together was trying to change that view of what many of us (including myself at times) had of teenage parents. Healthy eating, managing on a small budget, childcare issues, sexual health and careers were also a huge part of what we did during those sessions. I would also like to point out that out of 30 young people, only two smoked! In fact knew very few young people that did.
As for healthy food… mmmmm this community were miles away from a supermarket, add in the cost of transport an it made it expensive for them. So local shop bought food was all they processed/ready bought cheap meals. Interestingly enough, no brown bread or fresh fruit an veg could be bought in this area. No-one could afford the rent and rates to start a shop up that provided that service!
A survey done by the Guardian newspaper found that food prices in this particular area (along with about 4 others throughout the country) where more expensive than more affluent parts of our capital city, along with the availability of better quality fresh food. So highlighting the health and wealth divide yet again in our great country!
Dan, expectant fathers is another great debate! Start a thread :smile:
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I'm sorry... I'll get the apology over and done with now, because I'll probably ramble and forget to add it later. Anyway, I have my tuppence-worth to add, and it's only my opinion based on experience of my childhood and where I live now. I'll apologise if my views or opinions offend anyone, or make anyone mad, but... anyway... rambling already and it's only the disclaimer...
200 quid for pregnant mums in the 7th month? What?!? Who thinks up this stuff? Seriously? Someone in the governemt is doing a very nice job of getting the baby-farm, unemployed, unemployable, idle, sponging feckers on their side. "Oh look. These people are going to give us MORE money to stay at home and have three football teams-worth of kids, on top of the rest of the cash they throw at us. Vote them out? I think not..."
Some Government ideas were aimed at the "Grey-Vote" ie the elderly. This is clearly aimed at the above mentioned. What I want to know is where the money is coming from? The NHS is a failing insitution, with so many wards closing, nurses who work damn hard to earn three peanuts a month laid off and beurocrats earning shedloads for paper-pushing. Why are they not throwing this extra 200 quid into that? The NHS could provide better pre- and post-natal care, educating the mums to be on better eating habits as soon as they're at their first clinic appointment, not waiting till the baby is a done deal before thinking "Oh, these people should be eating better, so let's throw more cash at them". Like they don't get enough already.
Yep, I'm aiming this at the ones who have kids because there's sod all on the telly, then leave the little bugg... erm... darlings roaming the streets, spitting, swearing, yelling at eleven at night... and that's their FIVE year old. You guessed it. There's a family like that near me. They earn the same between them and their SIX kids (and he's hinting about more... I mean they can't control the ones they have, so WTF?!?!) as himself does, and he works just about all the hours god sends. What do they do? Nothing. Not pay rent. Not pay council tax. Get uniform grants for school uniforms. Get milk tokens (or whatever they are now) for the youngest. Get free school meals. Get everything and then some thrown at them... Then complain they're skint. What the hell are they spending the money on?
Fine... give them more money. Let them breed like rabbits then foist their kids onto other people, because they can't cope with the number of obnoxious brats they drag up with the manners of a pig and no discipline, and then bitch about the youth of today being unruly yobs who can't read, can't write and can't string a sentence together without the use of expletives.
OR...
Get back to the way it should be. Put the money where it's most needed: Sex education and Healthcare. Stop giving it to spongers, whiners and ingrates. Start standing up for families that care about their kids. Start standing up for the moral people who actually care about the wellfare and education of their children, and not the ones that don't care about where their kids are, whether they spit or swear at people in the streets, drop litter, vandalise other people's property.
Start making it a BAD THING again to be one of "those girls". I'm not that old, but even I remember when it was scandalous for a teen to be pregnant, single and have no means of support. Some flourished and have been great parents to their children. Some didn't. Those that care should be the ones getting the help and assistance, not those just out to screw the system, or screw the nearest local lad after a bottle of whatever alcohol they can pour into themselves, without thought or care for the possibility of pregnancy, and even keep doing the same thing while pregnant. Gone are the days of the institution for the ones like that, where people thought it must be a mental condition to have sex outside of the sanctity of marriage, and I don't advocate a return to days like that (all here be in a mental ward if that was the case!) but I do advocate a return to the days where kids were kids, not pseudo-adults with no thought of consequence, or self-discipline.
Yeah, so class divide, blah blah... I'm no snob, but seriously, do you have to be middle class, upper class, nouveau riche, or royalty to have moral standards these days?
Save the Liberal rantings about how we should support those less fortunate. Some of them have made themselves that way through choice. Why should the taxpayer have no choice but to foot the bill for yet another stupid idea thought up by idiot politicians who really have no clue about reality? If they had the slightest grasp of sanity, they'd be getting rid of the beurocrats in the fat-cat wage bands running the public-sector services into a black hole and be supporting those that actually value family, children and the welfare of them.
As I said... Sorry, I ranted, I know, but when you struggle to live, and are faced with the baby-farm families every day, it just makes my blood boil when sex education, less beaurocrats in the health service and better moral education would all cost a damn sight less than shoving more money in the pockets of those who don't deserve it.
... Rant over...
Can anyone say wether or not this is for every pregnant woman or specifically those on benefit? Also where this was seen/heard?
I saw the news bulletin which contained this item and dont recall it saying it was for those specifically on benefit.
I also wrote down the figure of £125 as it was read out in the bulletin so not sure where the figure mentioned in this thread has come from. I did take particular notice of this as I actually know someone who is expecting a baby and wondered if it was going to turn out like a child benefit (old family allowance)but was distracted before I could finish listening to it.
Thanks
I had a baby 5 months ago, if the government had been "offering" free money to encourage me to eat more healthily would I have taken it??, of course I would have. Would I have spent it on healthy food?? nope, I buy healthy food already no ready meals in our house etc BUT when I was pregnant all I wanted to eat was hot bread and butter pudding and squirty cream :lol2:.
I guess what im trying to say is that you can throw all the money at the world getting people to eat healthy food but if they dont want to eat it they won`t.
Does that make sense to anyone but me?? prob not :lol2:
On another note though getting £125 (or however much it is going to be) wouldn`t in the slightest encourage me to have another baby.
Although I would not have put it in so few words as Scandal has, the spirit of his post has summed up my feelings about some of the more extreme posts on here.
Where has scandals' post gone ?
It would seem that that those who have an opinion that is extreme can be posted as long as it bullies those who are not here to represent themselves. (bearing in mind no-one actually knows any details or indeed facts)
Whereas Scandal made some fair points and addressed the person who started this thread that has descended into inflammatory, bullying and discriminatory vitriol where people are hypothesising about a snippet in the 'oh so accurate always' media. His post has been deleted. Or is my computer playing up?
In my opinion free speech on here should extend to everyone or no-one. Delete the whole thread or bring back scandals' post.
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