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I saw this in the paper a few days ago.....
In fact it was front page headlines in the Express..
The goverment in their infinate wisdom have now said it's illegal to take your kids out of school during term time to go on holiday..
The implications of this are wide ranging...
I am sure most of you with kids will know how holidays are waaaaaaaaaaaay more expensive during school holidays than at other times....In fact one of my work friends priced up a holiday just prior to the main 6 week holidays and the cost was £1400.......During the holidayd this price soared to £2400 !!!!! for the self same holiday.....
Secondly...
Whats going to happen in places where the staffing levels are low(where I work there are only 4 on my shift 3 of which have children) and everybody has to have the same holidays to stay on the right side of the law ???
Company bosses arent going to let all staff with children have the same weeks off are they???
I thought this might be worth discussing.....
If not it will soon fall off the bottom of the page and into oblivion... biggrin
I wasn't going to reply to this, but then I remembered something .....
It's illegal because you are depriving your kids the right to an education right ?
(I think that's the line of thinking)
OK, how come our kids have so many days off for 'staff training' then ..... ?
Why can't they do that during the 12 weeks of 'holiday' instead of term time ?
I agree that it's a bit of a crap system (being a parent).
I'll just wait over here to get lynched by any teachers on the site ....... !
And how comes children of diffarent culture are allowed time off to celebrate their holidays?
In our daughters school they can have permission to take two weeks off per year outside the holidays with written permission. We personally couldn't afford to go away in the 6 wks hols
About bloody time! If I've gotta be in school so should the kids! biggrin lol :P
It's another one of the rules they plan to give people that is completely useless to everyone involved. If anyone asks you to vote on the white paper... this little cock up of an un-enforceable rule seen above is aledgedly in there along with a few other disasterous hair ball ideas. rolleyes
Reason I say theyre un-enforceable is, will they prosecute children of non-christian backgrounds when they take their holy days off school too and risk being told their being racist..... I dont think so. They'll threaten court action and fines/prison sentences if you take your children off school in term time which will only affect those parents who care about their kids education anyway, cos the ones who don't care will do it anyway sodding the consequences. So the same kids that go missing randomly in term time will still go missing so it solves nothing..... hence un-enforceable.
If this law is to work they have to put trade laws on the travel agents to make it the same price all year.... can you see that happening??? No, neither can I, cos that is bad for the economy.
Simple thing to do if thinking of taking kids on holiday and it really isn't an option to wait for one of the 14 weeks per year, is to talk to the class teacher and see what strengths your child has and so the best time for them to miss class that won't damage their learning too much.
kiss Gem. x
You are allowed up to two weeks' holiday time off during term time, at the discretion of the headteacher. So places where there aren't many staff, will still be able to allow staff to holiday with their children.
INSET days are classed as working days for teachers; we don't have days off just so that we don't have to teach your children! We have to provide your children with 195 days of education per year. It's usually the same people who moan about INSET days, who want to take their children on holiday during term time, too.
You can't stop people/children having days off to observe religious festivals. We have Christmas and Easter off, same thing really. Many asian children have weeks off at a time to go and visit relatives abroad and their places have to be saved for them at the school. I don't think we can do anything about it, either.
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You are allowed up to two weeks' holiday time off during term time, at the discretion of the headteacher. So places where there aren't many staff, will still be able to allow staff to holiday with their children.

I think that neatly sums it up - there's no change in the law proposed, merely enforcing the law that we already have.
As for solutions to it, there's one old one - everyone could take the same fortnight off and simply shut down normal business. It's not perfect by any means, but I've worked places where that was what happened (factories supplying Rover - we took the same holidays as Longbridge, for obvious reasons).
Personally, when I was growing up my Mum was a teacher, so we always had to go away in the school holidays anyway. I think in 14 years of education I missed one day through being on holiday (a Friday before half term), and when my little 'un reaches school age I honestly don't think I'd want them to miss much more than that unless wherever they were going would provide an equivalent amount of educational opportunity.
We take ours out of school for a few days during the year..
Neither one of them suffers.
There's no way we could afford to go during school holidays as its just too damned expensive..
As for everybody taking the same holidays.......It would never work..
The whole country stops for 2 weeks a year..........Nah.......Cant see it.
As I said with only 4 on my shift and 3 with kids it would cripple a very productive shift.
No way my bosses would stand for that....
I don't think anyone was suggesting that the whole country holidayed at the same time. Not sure about other parts of the country, but in Sheffield/Rotherham there are still companies which close for two weeks during the summer holidays. They are known locally as 'works weeks'. I think that's what DP was referring to.
I try my best not to take the kids out of school, I believe they need all the education they can get. None of them have had more than 2 afternoons out on the last day of term when they just play.
I would never consider taking them out for a week at a time which probably explains why our kids have never been in a plane. Its too damned expensive to go fly abroad in school holidays! We often go to France on that train thingy, its only £100 if you book it right :thumbup:
Having said that, I do believe that these law's should be enforced. I believe that some parents are not being fair on the kids in the long term, anything longer than 2 weeks should have a bloody good excuse.
most schools do allow kids two weeks term time off at the discretion of the head...
I dont like taking my little one out of school...but did do last year for 4 days ..
To me i also think it is quite educational for kids to see different parts of ther world and experiance different cultures..so if ya cant afford to go away other than durin term time then its up to the individual.
Up here we used to have shipyard fortnight- last week in july and first week in August when i was growin up.( not that old tho ..lol) Due to my dad workin in the shipyards we had to have our family hols then . We cud never afford the prices to go abroad during that time...i missed out visiting the places we used to talk about at school and i really dont want my children to do that ...
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I don't think anyone was suggesting that the whole country holidayed at the same time. Not sure about other parts of the country, but in Sheffield/Rotherham there are still companies which close for two weeks during the summer holidays. They are known locally as 'works weeks'. I think that's what DP was referring to.

That's the idea, though with my dad it was pretty much all of his holiday that was apportioned like that - two weeks in the summer, a week at Christmas, and a week at Whitsun. I can't say I like the system, but it is one option.
IIRC, pretty much the whole of France shuts down for August so everybody can go on holiday, so it's not that ridiculous an idea.
Quote by candj
most schools do allow kids two weeks term time off at the discretion of the head...
I dont like taking my little one out of school...but did do last year for 4 days ..
To me i also think it is quite educational for kids to see different parts of ther world and experiance different cultures..so if ya cant afford to go away other than durin term time then its up to the individual.
Up here we used to have shipyard fortnight- last week in july and first week in August when i was growin up.( not that old tho ..lol) Due to my dad workin in the shipyards we had to have our family hols then . We cud never afford the prices to go abroad during that time...i missed out visiting the places we used to talk about at school and i really dont want my children to do that ...

I've been abroad five times in my life, and never further than central Europe, probably for much the same reason (though my dad had had a very bad experience flying through a storm in a propeller-driven airliner in his 20s and was never keen on flying after that, which may also have had a bearing on the matter).
as for the educational value of holidays, I'd certainly agree that there's potential there, but not if the holiday involves soaking up the sun on a beach somewhere and not a lot else. At the end of the day, all the law says is that you have to ask to have up to a fortnight's leave of abscence from school and that leave is at the discretion of the headteacher. I can distinctly remember one guy I was at school with going off to spend 3 weeks in Florida just before his mock GCSEs, which I think is the kind of behaviour they're really trying to clamp down on.
Oh, and one small aside. When I was growing up we used to go sailing on the Norfolk Broads every summer, on . At the time, they were owned by Norfolk County Council and used during the school term to teach local schoolchildren to sail (a very worthy use in my humble opinion). So , if we wanted to take our holiday of choice, we were required to take it within the school holidays anyway.
Well now they have decided to bring the area I live in into line with the rest of the country they will break up from school at the begining of July and not go back untiul the beginning of Sept ( doing away with the old wakes weeks) thats 9 weeks of school holidays expensive for childcare and a nightmare to keep them occupied all that time.
ok hijack over
We only take our kids out of school 3 days each year (unless we can only fit in a holiday during term time, but that's another story lol ) and that is when we go to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. They take some school work with them and as it is in either June or July it wouldn't intefere with any exam's. While they are there they learn about the history of motor cars/racing, mingle with the celeb's and also spend time in the circus tent learning all sorts of different things. (they teach them how to juggle and other circus tricks, there is a craft section where they can make lots of different things ranging from paper mache items to pottery, So it does have it's educational benefits smile )
As for the issues regarding cost's of holiday's during the school holidays, it is rediculous the prices they charge rolleyes I am grateful that we can go away in our caravan otherwise we wouldn't be able to afford to do it.
Going back to what DP and FB said about the 2 week shutdown, that used to be very common in the Midlands. Most companies have found that it's not financially beneficial these days due to cash flow etc...
Shireen
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Quote by hisandhers
In our daughters school they can have permission to take two weeks off per year outside the holidays with written permission. We personally couldn't afford to go away in the 6 wks hols

its the same with mine however i try to discourage them allowing the kids to take two weeks off in succession as i can only cope with one week of the constant arguing with them and they only come over in the evenings when i finished work!!!!!
It is not just taking children on holiday during term time that has a negative impact on a child's educational development ... what about the hours / days / weeks / months that are lost due to suspensions and expulsions? ... what about the lost time because there were no teachers to take the classes? ... what about the lost term, because the supply teacher didn't actually have a clue? ... what about the lost years because inadequate, unprofessional teachers were totally inadequate at best and downright bullies at worse? ... thanks for listening, i'm gonnaclimb down off my soap box now and take a deep breath ... redface
I personally think that this will backfire on the powers that be! And the sooner the better!
I'm not one for taking the children out of school willy nilly but we're off to the states next year and we are taking the children out of school just after they go back. The saving to us will be in excess of £500 and I'll use the same reasoning with the school head.
It's only illegal if a child doesn't receive an education, many people opt out of mainstream schooling and home educate. What better education can a child get ? The chance to learn about other cultures, particularly in Nevada where we're heading, other currencies, geography (Grand Canyon and Death Valley are amazing), experiencing different forms of travel (plane and helicopter), other forms of wildlife, the list goes on.
Sorry ... I'll back teachers as much as I can but holidays can be as educational and give children some real life experiences that a classroom just can't replicate. I appreciate that some parents are stay on the beach types, but our children are precious to us and we believe in being hands on with education, our holidays range from a day searching round an old roman fort, to museums, art galleries, hunting for animal tracks in a wood, to pleasure seeking at a theme park. Not all of these things can be carried out during weekends and I have few holidays a year that I have to compete with others for.
C x
I've tried to word this 3 times now and get my point across so here is the edited version. It fucking stinks (sorry). As a father no longer living with his child I’m not ashamed to admit one thing I love the most in my life is my little girl and I try to make every day we spend together special for the pair of us. Now you may think I’m overreacting a bit just because I can't take her out of school. Well maybe I am but it's still a bind sad take the other week I purchased a fire engine (don't ask) and the night before I collected it I rang my daughters mother to see if she could keep her of school so she could come with me to drive it home. What small child would fail to be chuffed to bits sitting next to her dad whilst travelling in a fire engine? But my ex dutifully informed me that we need to give 2 weeks notice and provide a written explanation to the school if we want to keep our child away during term time. :(
I know her education is important and she does so well under difficult circumstances but it's when little things like that crop up during my every day life that I’d really like to involve her in them. As people have mentioned holidays are another problem and the expense in taking them away during school holidays. I'm not wanting to deprive my child of an education; I just want her to be as big a part of my life as possible.
We know a family who can't afford to pay the vastly inflated prices that they'd be charged to go abroard during school holidays, so they just "pull a sicky". I can't say I agree with that method but you can see why they do it when the savings are far more than the potential fine would be if they got caught.
There's never going to be a sensible answer to this, but a reasonable compromise would be to get all the schools in town to stagger their holidays. That way people could take advantage of off peak prices... and you never know... off peak might even disappear dunno
During my schooldays it was the same. Unless for "educational reasons" which allowed me to be absent for a couple of weeks on holiday abroard, and provided my folks could show the headmaster the obvious educational benefits of seeing another country, culture, history, etc etc etc then no probs. What I actually DID do abroard, will never be known ! sorry ! lol