To all those that work.....have a nice day tommorow......but don't forget where your taxes go though.
Still we do not have to walk in her shoes though.
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Quote by splendid_
I hope that she remains healthy through-out her pregnancy and her babies are born safe and well.
I am so glad that it isn't the 'good old days' as she could be in a lunatic asylum never to be seen again or packed off until the birth and have the babies removed and adopted to strangers.
Seeing as you see nothing wrong in it, send her a donation through the post eh?
Will make a change from her benefit cheque I suppose....happy days.
Sex God
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Only in the Mail!!!
FFS this is news ?
Quote by kentswingers777
I hope that she remains healthy through-out her pregnancy and her babies are born safe and well.
I am so glad that it isn't the 'good old days' as she could be in a lunatic asylum never to be seen again or packed off until the birth and have the babies removed and adopted to strangers.
Seeing as you see nothing wrong in it, send her a donation through the post eh?
Will make a change from her benefit cheque I suppose....happy days.
no need. My taxes cover the bill. 8-)
Quote by Silk and Big G
Only in the Mail!!!
FFS this is news ?
Yes it is.
It may not bother you that these scroungers think it is " their " right to claim everything from the taxpayer.
A life of benefits paid by the rest of us mugs!!
News? Not really, as it is too tragic to be news. More of a social letdown.
Kick him out to work to do what I and millions of others do, and support his family. But that is way too easy...isn't it?
It should be called " a crime against the honest hard working ". No doubt her kids will end up just like their parents, lazy layabouts. A generation waiting for their next cheque to pop through the door.....for free.
Does anyone reading this think things are going to get better in this country ? while there are people like her an her family we havent got a chance !
"it just happened" no it didnt you had sex without using contreception "it just happens" is what occurs every month when you get the £1126."she wants me home so i will be signing on " i thought you signed on to look for work not help your partner out."15 yrs an my kids will be doing what im doing " great i,ll remember to get a 2nd job then so i can pay a bit more tax to help her out ! an she will be 32 but rather than thinking about working she is planning baby should be like america-7 yrs on the social in your life an thats it no more, bet she might of thought about using contreception is she thought she might have to support her brood but then again looking at the sov rings on her fingers in the first pic i doubt it.
"it just happened" no it didnt you had sex without using contreception "it just happens" is what occurs every month when you get the £1126."she wants me home so i will be signing on " i thought you signed on to look for work not help your partner out."15 yrs an my kids will be doing what im doing " great i,ll remember to get a 2nd job then so i can pay a bit more tax to help her out ! an she will be 32 but rather than thinking about working she is planning baby should be like america-7 yrs on the social in your life an thats it no more, bet she might of thought about using contreception is she thought she might have to support her brood but then again looking at the sov rings on her fingers in the first pic i doubt it.
Sex God
Constructively what needs to be discussed is how to prevent these children having the thought processes that make it seem OK. Its all very well denegrating them but our generation is directly responsible for how they have grown.
Maybe its a lack of social responsibilty in the "Its alright jack i'm OK stuff the rest of you" culture that the last 40 years has bred.
The way society has developed has meant that the conventional ways of bringing up family i.e. Mom at home father out working is now becoming less and less the norm. Whether thats bad or not is a different discussion although the one thing is to be sure. It is different, coming into the 21st Century.
What are we giving some of our young people to look forward too? It seems that there is little optimism at the moment for a large proportion of our children.
There has to be a fundamental shift in the way we think as a collective about how we do things. The way in which we work being 5 days 40 hours as a marker. A change in how we view and distribute personal/national wealth and the need to outdo each other financially and socially at the expense of those at the lower ends of the social spectrum. These ideas have to change, we have to change into a more socially orientated populace, looking after and sharing the dwindling wealth that this country is going to be able to afford.
If we are expected to make stands together as a nation about preserving the environment and looking after our heritage so that our future generations can have a heritage. Then i'm afraid its going to be all about not taking or expecting as much as one does and taking on the old adage of "not what one's country can do for you but what you can do for one's country"
The likes of the girl and lad in the article linked by Kent. Those kids aren't bad or evil or want to be "sponging" off people. In their lives its hard to think of things out of their ownal almost allocated box. You and I put those kids here and led them to have the expectations and limited dreams desires and hopes that they now have. Don't think for a moment we didn't.
Damage limitation is whats needed for the here and now. Being an optimist lets think answers for the generations to come not the ones we've fucked up now.
Maybe its a lack of social responsibilty in the "Its alright jack i'm OK stuff the rest of you" culture that the last 40 years has bred.
The way society has developed has meant that the conventional ways of bringing up family i.e. Mom at home father out working is now becoming less and less the norm. Whether thats bad or not is a different discussion although the one thing is to be sure. It is different, coming into the 21st Century.
What are we giving some of our young people to look forward too? It seems that there is little optimism at the moment for a large proportion of our children.
There has to be a fundamental shift in the way we think as a collective about how we do things. The way in which we work being 5 days 40 hours as a marker. A change in how we view and distribute personal/national wealth and the need to outdo each other financially and socially at the expense of those at the lower ends of the social spectrum. These ideas have to change, we have to change into a more socially orientated populace, looking after and sharing the dwindling wealth that this country is going to be able to afford.
If we are expected to make stands together as a nation about preserving the environment and looking after our heritage so that our future generations can have a heritage. Then i'm afraid its going to be all about not taking or expecting as much as one does and taking on the old adage of "not what one's country can do for you but what you can do for one's country"
The likes of the girl and lad in the article linked by Kent. Those kids aren't bad or evil or want to be "sponging" off people. In their lives its hard to think of things out of their ownal almost allocated box. You and I put those kids here and led them to have the expectations and limited dreams desires and hopes that they now have. Don't think for a moment we didn't.
Damage limitation is whats needed for the here and now. Being an optimist lets think answers for the generations to come not the ones we've fucked up now.
Quote by splendid_
I hope that she remains healthy through-out her pregnancy and her babies are born safe and well.
I am so glad that it isn't the 'good old days' as she could be in a lunatic asylum never to be seen again or packed off until the birth and have the babies removed and adopted to strangers.
Oooh quite right, have you seen 'The Magdelene Sisters', now that's an eye opener, how lucky we are today
However, I do agree it's wrong if a women purposely gets pregnant every year or so if she's paid a substantial amount, Italy seems to have it right, an single woman on benefit with one child, fine, get pregnant again, you lose the benefit. Simple really.
On the flip side, can you blame people for doing it? £1000 to be able to stay at home and bring up your kids? it's not the woman's fault if you think about it
If the dont want to be sponging they sure as hell dont want to be working ! whats to blame is a system where people know that if you get all the scams going you can have a bloody good life an never have to lift a finger,you can go from the dole to the sick to incapacity,your partner can get carers allowance or you can claim to be on your own an then get dla or your child has asma or adha (you get extra money an you get carers allowance to look after your own child ).
THOUSANDS an THOUSANDS of them are doing it an to them its a career choice ,i struggle through life an see people who never work driving round in the new car they get through the mobility scheme an wonder who the fool is ?
Till i started going out with my partner who is from a "deprived" part of south wales i didnt know what things were like, just like a lot of ordinary people-if ordinary people knew what the scroungers get up to an how much they can "earn" there would be uproar
its not "our" fault !stop most of the handouts an make em sort themselves out
3 cases i know of in port talbot-i could write you 300
1-16 yr old who has declared himself alcaholic (they give you more money then !}getting over £160 week
2-19yr old has mental health problems due to canabis use gets £190 a week (with no control over how he spends his money which is for his "care" guess what he spends it on ?)
3-49 yr old NEVER worked got onto disability now due to "bad" back an drives round in a new golf on mobility scheme,never seems to have the bad back when i see her bit is she hasnt passed her test but you see her driving about every day
really must tell my mother about these cases one day im sure she would laugh having worked all her life an getting about £120 a week pension
THOUSANDS an THOUSANDS of them are doing it an to them its a career choice ,i struggle through life an see people who never work driving round in the new car they get through the mobility scheme an wonder who the fool is ?
Till i started going out with my partner who is from a "deprived" part of south wales i didnt know what things were like, just like a lot of ordinary people-if ordinary people knew what the scroungers get up to an how much they can "earn" there would be uproar
its not "our" fault !stop most of the handouts an make em sort themselves out
3 cases i know of in port talbot-i could write you 300
1-16 yr old who has declared himself alcaholic (they give you more money then !}getting over £160 week
2-19yr old has mental health problems due to canabis use gets £190 a week (with no control over how he spends his money which is for his "care" guess what he spends it on ?)
3-49 yr old NEVER worked got onto disability now due to "bad" back an drives round in a new golf on mobility scheme,never seems to have the bad back when i see her bit is she hasnt passed her test but you see her driving about every day
really must tell my mother about these cases one day im sure she would laugh having worked all her life an getting about £120 a week pension
Sex God
Quote by rob-boy-norfolk
or your child has asma or adha (you get extra money an you get carers allowance to look after your own child ).
Frankly if someone has a child who requires extra care and sacrifices have to be made I see nothing wrong with claiming a carers allowance....
We used to claim it as our lad suffers from aspergers and as such wife could not take full time employment as he had to be supervised at all times and she needed to be home when he returned from school....
And actually its the child who is awarded the allowance and not the parents/gaurdians....
Sex God
Quote by rob-boy-norfolk
3 cases i know of in port talbot-i could write you 300
1-16 yr old who has declared himself alcaholic (they give you more money then !}getting over £160 week
2-19yr old has mental health problems due to canabis use gets £190 a week (with no control over how he spends his money which is for his "care" guess what he spends it on ?)
3-49 yr old NEVER worked got onto disability now due to "bad" back an drives round in a new golf on mobility scheme,never seems to have the bad back when i see her bit is she hasnt passed her test but you see her driving about every day
really must tell my mother about these cases one day im sure she would laugh having worked all her life an getting about £120 a week pension
Report them then.
Quote by Lost
Constructively what needs to be discussed is how to prevent these children having the thought processes that make it seem OK. Its all very well denegrating them but our generation is directly responsible for how they have grown.
Maybe its a lack of social responsibilty in the "Its alright jack i'm OK stuff the rest of you" culture that the last 40 years has bred.
The way society has developed has meant that the conventional ways of bringing up family i.e. Mom at home father out working is now becoming less and less the norm. Whether thats bad or not is a different discussion although the one thing is to be sure. It is different, coming into the 21st Century.
What are we giving some of our young people to look forward too? It seems that there is little optimism at the moment for a large proportion of our children.
There has to be a fundamental shift in the way we think as a collective about how we do things. The way in which we work being 5 days 40 hours as a marker. A change in how we view and distribute personal/national wealth and the need to outdo each other financially and socially at the expense of those at the lower ends of the social spectrum. These ideas have to change, we have to change into a more socially orientated populace, looking after and sharing the dwindling wealth that this country is going to be able to afford.
If we are expected to make stands together as a nation about preserving the environment and looking after our heritage so that our future generations can have a heritage. Then i'm afraid its going to be all about not taking or expecting as much as one does and taking on the old adage of "not what one's country can do for you but what you can do for one's country"
The likes of the girl and lad in the article linked by Kent. Those kids aren't bad or evil or want to be "sponging" off people. In their lives its hard to think of things out of their ownal almost allocated box. You and I put those kids here and led them to have the expectations and limited dreams desires and hopes that they now have. Don't think for a moment we didn't.
Damage limitation is whats needed for the here and now. Being an optimist lets think answers for the generations to come not the ones we've fucked up now.
Losty there lies the fundamental problem here. They DO want to " sponge " off people. Thats the point. These people ( and you only have to look at the Mother ) to know where their social problems lie.
Another problem and I see it here all the time is, people cannot see anything wrong in it. We have all the old bollox about " have you lived in her shoes? " rubbish.
Plenty of DECENT hardworking people dont follow this kind of social lepracy. They go out to work and support their families....come what may.
The same old leftie liberals will bend over backwards for these kind of scroungers, and give them more help than any decent hardworking families get.
This bird and her boyfriend ( probably will not be come next month ), have learnt that the state will pick up the tab....all of it. What the fuck is wrong with her poor excuse for a boyfriend,not working? Cant work? Oh no........WONT work. This social Labour leftie Government have created a culture of benefits. Shame on this family and more than that, shame on this Government for creating it, over and above the decent hardworking families. Those same families that have had to get up this morning and go to work.....an evil word for these kinds of social inadequates.
How long before the next child pops out? I will give it two years after this lot are born. The ones I really feel sorry for here, are the kids.
Sex God
I can fully sympathise with peoples annoyance in situations like this. I hear the argument of Mr Kent and I have some sympathy with it. It does feel like an abuse of the taxes people pay.
But here is why I feel it is wrong to blame this child solely for what she is doing.
Imagine you went to work and a Health and Safety officer turned up and implemented a whole new way of thinking and new system, which meant that you could work as you have been doing now, or you could work a lot less, and pick up more money. What would you do?
If you say "I'd carry on working!" Well done for having the morals of a saint, but 99% of people would do less for more. That is human nature. It is why we have remote controls for the TV.
You cannot vilify people like this into submission because there argument will be, and this is entirely true. "It is not against the law is it?" and "If I don't do it someone else will." Which is entirely right and part of the problem we face in situations such as this.
If you want to alter peoples behaviour like this then you can only change one thing. The system we have. You need to ensure that behaviour like this is not seen to be "rewarded". It's part of the welfare state in this country, which is a fantastic idea, but sadly which has been kicked, bent, broken, misshapen, cobbled back together with sellotape so that the wonderful idea that it once was is now riddled with holes, loopholes and "administrators" ticking boxes that it is open to perfectly legal, although ethically questionable to some, interpretation. This is what our politicians, regardless of which party you choose, are paid to do and what they have singularly failed to do so adequately particularly over the last 25 years or so.
The answer is to change the system. To ensure that she gets the benefits if she undertakes training / work / education in order to make her contribution to society. It sounds simple, but here is the good news. It will be inordinately more expensive to implement. Think of the costs involved for organising child-minding alone, not to mention other costs to do with work/education.
I agree that she cannot continue to believe the state will hand out forever, but she also should not be vilified for doing something that she feels in her best interests. What is the point in working, if you are worse off than not? As a great many people in this situation would be?
Blame the system, don't divide the people. Unless of course you feel you have to blame somebody. Then of course they become a handy whipping horse. Personally, I blame the politicians and lawmakers for creating this mess of a system in the first place. I don't know what I would do in her situation, but if it was a choice of working for £800 and having to pay out £700, or sitting on my arse for £800 and having to pay out £500, I know what I would do for my children. The answer is not making the person work anyway, but ensuring when they work they are better off than when they don't. That is what the welfare state should be about, not the bastardised version we have now.
But here is why I feel it is wrong to blame this child solely for what she is doing.
Imagine you went to work and a Health and Safety officer turned up and implemented a whole new way of thinking and new system, which meant that you could work as you have been doing now, or you could work a lot less, and pick up more money. What would you do?
If you say "I'd carry on working!" Well done for having the morals of a saint, but 99% of people would do less for more. That is human nature. It is why we have remote controls for the TV.
You cannot vilify people like this into submission because there argument will be, and this is entirely true. "It is not against the law is it?" and "If I don't do it someone else will." Which is entirely right and part of the problem we face in situations such as this.
If you want to alter peoples behaviour like this then you can only change one thing. The system we have. You need to ensure that behaviour like this is not seen to be "rewarded". It's part of the welfare state in this country, which is a fantastic idea, but sadly which has been kicked, bent, broken, misshapen, cobbled back together with sellotape so that the wonderful idea that it once was is now riddled with holes, loopholes and "administrators" ticking boxes that it is open to perfectly legal, although ethically questionable to some, interpretation. This is what our politicians, regardless of which party you choose, are paid to do and what they have singularly failed to do so adequately particularly over the last 25 years or so.
The answer is to change the system. To ensure that she gets the benefits if she undertakes training / work / education in order to make her contribution to society. It sounds simple, but here is the good news. It will be inordinately more expensive to implement. Think of the costs involved for organising child-minding alone, not to mention other costs to do with work/education.
I agree that she cannot continue to believe the state will hand out forever, but she also should not be vilified for doing something that she feels in her best interests. What is the point in working, if you are worse off than not? As a great many people in this situation would be?
Blame the system, don't divide the people. Unless of course you feel you have to blame somebody. Then of course they become a handy whipping horse. Personally, I blame the politicians and lawmakers for creating this mess of a system in the first place. I don't know what I would do in her situation, but if it was a choice of working for £800 and having to pay out £700, or sitting on my arse for £800 and having to pay out £500, I know what I would do for my children. The answer is not making the person work anyway, but ensuring when they work they are better off than when they don't. That is what the welfare state should be about, not the bastardised version we have now.
steve if your child has a problem an you claim its ok but among the scroungers its a known ploy so kids are coached or get taken to the doctors repetedly to build up a file an pull the wool over socials eyes
its a con a scam a bloody disgrace an something that most hard working people wouldnt have the slightest clue happens or dream ever happens
people are happy to get a child on retalin cos it means more money-it happens its unbeliverble !
"report em" mmmmmmmmmm my second example (the 19 yr old) was a relatives child they spent 2 years trying to get his money altered all to no avale he even got it while on a 28 day order,in unit f(mental health unit} unit NPT hospital an in prison because it was his "rights" an he was due he gets it,spends it on drugs which cauces more harm,if i reported everyone i would never get to work it would be a full time job in itself it really is that bad it must be 50% of the community they see it as normal now its got that bad
its a con a scam a bloody disgrace an something that most hard working people wouldnt have the slightest clue happens or dream ever happens
people are happy to get a child on retalin cos it means more money-it happens its unbeliverble !
"report em" mmmmmmmmmm my second example (the 19 yr old) was a relatives child they spent 2 years trying to get his money altered all to no avale he even got it while on a 28 day order,in unit f(mental health unit} unit NPT hospital an in prison because it was his "rights" an he was due he gets it,spends it on drugs which cauces more harm,if i reported everyone i would never get to work it would be a full time job in itself it really is that bad it must be 50% of the community they see it as normal now its got that bad
Quote by Steve
or your child has asma or adha (you get extra money an you get carers allowance to look after your own child ).
Frankly if someone has a child who requires extra care and sacrifices have to be made I see nothing wrong with claiming a carers allowance....
We used to claim it as our lad suffers from aspergers and as such wife could not take full time employment as he had to be supervised at all times and she needed to be home when he returned from school....
And actually its the child who is awarded the allowance and not the parents/gaurdians....
.. but it's the parents/guardians who get to decide how to spend the cash..
But I see where you are coming from on this Steve
My old mum had a carers and a mobility allowance, (amongst others) bless her which resulted from a crippling spinal injury on her way to work one morning on a bus. She and my dad had raised 6 kids without resorting to state handouts but none of us ever went without essentials. This is what the state benefit system is all about; supporting people in need, not supporting scroungers who can, but won't work or contribute to society.
Quote by kentswingers777
Constructively what needs to be discussed is how to prevent these children having the thought processes that make it seem OK. Its all very well denegrating them but our generation is directly responsible for how they have grown.
Maybe its a lack of social responsibilty in the "Its alright jack i'm OK stuff the rest of you" culture that the last 40 years has bred.
The way society has developed has meant that the conventional ways of bringing up family i.e. Mom at home father out working is now becoming less and less the norm. Whether thats bad or not is a different discussion although the one thing is to be sure. It is different, coming into the 21st Century.
What are we giving some of our young people to look forward too? It seems that there is little optimism at the moment for a large proportion of our children.
There has to be a fundamental shift in the way we think as a collective about how we do things. The way in which we work being 5 days 40 hours as a marker. A change in how we view and distribute personal/national wealth and the need to outdo each other financially and socially at the expense of those at the lower ends of the social spectrum. These ideas have to change, we have to change into a more socially orientated populace, looking after and sharing the dwindling wealth that this country is going to be able to afford.
If we are expected to make stands together as a nation about preserving the environment and looking after our heritage so that our future generations can have a heritage. Then i'm afraid its going to be all about not taking or expecting as much as one does and taking on the old adage of "not what one's country can do for you but what you can do for one's country"
The likes of the girl and lad in the article linked by Kent. Those kids aren't bad or evil or want to be "sponging" off people. In their lives its hard to think of things out of their ownal almost allocated box. You and I put those kids here and led them to have the expectations and limited dreams desires and hopes that they now have. Don't think for a moment we didn't.
Damage limitation is whats needed for the here and now. Being an optimist lets think answers for the generations to come not the ones we've fucked up now.
Losty there lies the fundamental problem here. They DO want to " sponge " off people. Thats the point. These people ( and you only have to look at the Mother ) to know where their social problems lie.
Another problem and I see it here all the time is, people cannot see anything wrong in it. We have all the old bollox about " have you lived in her shoes? " rubbish.
Plenty of DECENT hardworking people dont follow this kind of social lepracy. They go out to work and support their families....come what may.
The same old leftie liberals will bend over backwards for these kind of scroungers, and give them more help than any decent hardworking families get.
This bird and her boyfriend ( probably will not be come next month ), have learnt that the state will pick up the tab....all of it. What the fuck is wrong with her poor excuse for a boyfriend,not working? Cant work? Oh no........WONT work. This social Labour leftie Government have created a culture of benefits. Shame on this family and more than that, shame on this Government for creating it, over and above the decent hardworking families. Those same families that have had to get up this morning and go to work.....an evil word for these kinds of social inadequates.
How long before the next child pops out? I will give it two years after this lot are born. The ones I really feel sorry for here, are the kids.
Worse than that T7, honest decent pensioners who have worked all their lives and the like have to suffer means tested benefits under "caring sharing" labour - little wonder that there are billions of unclaimed benefits.
Now then, if MP's and Government Ministers had to queue up to claim their "extra" benefits and were means tested like they foist on the rest of society.. how different would things be then?
What example do they set to society as a whole eh, these people who are supposed to be an example to us all?
Yes GNV...my Father is one of those pensioners.
Worked hard all his life, saved for a pension, out of money he had ALREADY paid his taxes on. Now though because his income including his pension takes him over the threshold they set, he has to pay some He is 76 years of age, and his tax is going towards keeping these scum bags in the benefit gravy train.
I had to get up and go to work this morning, while her lazy boyfriend dosses around, having a superb time of it.
As Res has said....of course the system is to blame, and they are well and trully exploiting it. But recently this Namby Government decided it was time for action, and that people would be made to work for their money IF they were able. Then along come the wailing lefties screaming that it is wrong.
No it is not wrong to expect them to do some work for their money. This guy most definatly can work, but the very system that has enabled him to do this, washes its hands of them. But not for too much longer because people are sick and tired of families like this " breeding " kids, and taking us all for mugs.
I am all for the welfare state for people that are destitute, which was what it was designed for. When the Tories get in there will be a massive shake up, and the only people screaming unjust is the scroungers, of which there are loads.
Funnily enough this girls Mother has six kids, no mention of a Father at all, and I bet my arse that the Mother has lived this " lifestyle " for years too.
My Father at 76 has to pay his tax on his little pension, whilst these kind of people con the system and the taxpayer, and there are people out there who think that is ok. Well shame on you, it is becuse of your attitudes that people continue to think this is ok..........well it is not, it stinks.
Worked hard all his life, saved for a pension, out of money he had ALREADY paid his taxes on. Now though because his income including his pension takes him over the threshold they set, he has to pay some He is 76 years of age, and his tax is going towards keeping these scum bags in the benefit gravy train.
I had to get up and go to work this morning, while her lazy boyfriend dosses around, having a superb time of it.
As Res has said....of course the system is to blame, and they are well and trully exploiting it. But recently this Namby Government decided it was time for action, and that people would be made to work for their money IF they were able. Then along come the wailing lefties screaming that it is wrong.
No it is not wrong to expect them to do some work for their money. This guy most definatly can work, but the very system that has enabled him to do this, washes its hands of them. But not for too much longer because people are sick and tired of families like this " breeding " kids, and taking us all for mugs.
I am all for the welfare state for people that are destitute, which was what it was designed for. When the Tories get in there will be a massive shake up, and the only people screaming unjust is the scroungers, of which there are loads.
Funnily enough this girls Mother has six kids, no mention of a Father at all, and I bet my arse that the Mother has lived this " lifestyle " for years too.
My Father at 76 has to pay his tax on his little pension, whilst these kind of people con the system and the taxpayer, and there are people out there who think that is ok. Well shame on you, it is becuse of your attitudes that people continue to think this is ok..........well it is not, it stinks.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
recently this Namby Government decided it was time for action, and that people would be made to work for their money IF they were able. Then along come the wailing lefties screaming that it is wrong.
No it is not wrong to expect them to do some work for their money.
Kent, in a recent thread, you suggested that foreign workers were stealing the jobs of British workers by undercutting their wages, and you seemed to think that was entirely wrong. Your above argument seems entirely inconsistent with that earlier position, because the kind of workfare style scheme you describe has a similar effect.
It would require employers to take on workers from the dole queue, who are neither particularly skilled nor particularly motivated, workers who would not ordinarily be considered by the employer for those very reasons. The incentive for the employer is that he gets his worker at a subsidised rate, at a cost to the taxpayer. The effect of that is that your workfare employee takes a job for lower wages that might otherwise have been offered to a permanent, full-time worker, on full-time wages.
Studies of workfare type schemes elsewhere in the world have found that they have little real positive effect for those taking part in them i.e. they are purely punitive measures used against those who often have multiple barriers to long-term employment, and can actually put more barriers in their way, and suggest they have a detrimental effect on those unemployed who would want to work, but find themselves replaced by those who don't, and help to drive down wages at the bottom end of the labour market where competition for low wage jobs is fiercest.
Neil x x x ;)
Quote by neilinleeds
recently this Namby Government decided it was time for action, and that people would be made to work for their money IF they were able. Then along come the wailing lefties screaming that it is wrong.
No it is not wrong to expect them to do some work for their money.
Kent, in a recent thread, you suggested that foreign workers were stealing the jobs of British workers by undercutting their wages, and you seemed to think that was entirely wrong. Your above argument seems entirely inconsistent with that earlier position, because the kind of workfare style scheme you describe has a similar effect.
It would require employers to take on workers from the dole queue, who are neither particularly skilled nor particularly motivated, workers who would not ordinarily be considered by the employer for those very reasons. The incentive for the employer is that he gets his worker at a subsidised rate, at a cost to the taxpayer. The effect of that is that your workfare employee takes a job for lower wages that might otherwise have been offered to a permanent, full-time worker, on full-time wages.
Studies of workfare type schemes elsewhere in the world have found that they have little real positive effect for those taking part in them i.e. they are purely punitive measures used against those who often have multiple barriers to long-term employment, and can actually put more barriers in their way, and suggest they have a detrimental effect on those unemployed who would want to work, but find themselves replaced by those who don't, and help to drive down wages at the bottom end of the labour market where competition for low wage jobs is fiercest.
Neil x x x ;)
Neil they are talking about some kind of work in their communities. That is fine, and there is plenty of jobs that every community needs doing.
