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Send all of your pictures to me... I'll tag them (and you!) No, don't (has visions of Inbox actually containing 100's of messages for once) lol
Personally, it doesn't bother me but then I guess I'm not the type that's that bothered about being consulted as long as it's not life of death type stuff confused
I do like the 'tagging' term though... I saw this film once called 'Tag Team.. somethingorother.' It wasn't about pics wink
I'm sorry to sound like an embittered old traditionalist, but I fail to see how such an "improvement" aids the, supposedly, primary focus of the site, which is purported to be swinging.
While photographs are an aid in deciding whom people want to play with, I would also assume that a great many swingers often read a profile or interact with folk in another way too, rather than just look for nice cocks / boobs and then rattle off a PM in the hope of a shag later that week. I would venture that many swingers methods of selecting their potential partners are a little more selective. I would also hazard that while many people may be great photographers, that may not make them necessarily great swingers, and vice versa.
Being cynical, you could just say that it is an easy way to bring in the single frustrated male / female membership masturbation money, by providing them with easy links to true amateur photographs of the finest wanking material that they require.
If that is the case, do we get a model fee?
I understand the system is not a ratings system perse, but given the reaction by most here to the wording used, it seems inevitable that this is how it will be interpreted by many and then used as such by a great many people on here, even in good faith. You put the word "rating" in any context next to photographs and the vast majority of people will ignore the words "quality".
I also feel the fact that to roll out such an improvement without warning, when it concerns the fragile sensibilities of members on a site such as this, was ill-informed. I understand that you don't have time to listen to every Tom, Dick or Harriet's thoughts on the issue, but it would have been a common courtesy at the very least to let people know it was coming, rather than roll it out and then firefight the reaction afterwards.
I'm all for improving the site for swingers. I fail to see how this makes swinging any easier. It makes life for those seeking a quick wank, whilst looking at things that turn them on, immeasurably easier. I'd never choose to swing with someone simply because of the quality of their pics or how easy they are to find, I don't think anyone else would either.
I'm afraid to me, it smacks of pandering to the larger market. In effect using the pictures of people on here as a free porn market for subscribing masturbatory folk. That's fair enough, but at least tell us that is what our pics will be used for.
Yours
Mrs Trellis (North Wales)
Same as more cams and ability to remove whispers (that went live today). We are listening wink no point us doing anything that people dont want.
Please wait until you see the benefits of what we are trying to do here for the members before passing judgement thats all we ask.
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I cant help with any rating options as there are not any! rolleyes
We need 500,000 pictures tagged to use in the new search feature. It takes about 20 seconds to do each one so in terms of time that would take someone 79 working weeks to do assuming they never stopped to do anything else :roll: .
You could say at the moment if you wanted to spend just 2 seconds looking at each picture in the gallery to see if you liked it that currently would take you two monts assuming you were on here doing it 35 hours a week.
So it was absolutely no surprise that we had thousands of people asking for this when we ran the recent surveys.

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I'm happy to volunteer some of my time to help if it stops this kinda thing! :thumbup:
And if you want to employ me full time then my inbox is <<<< way! It'll cost you though... wads!! :giggle:
Of course the idea of being able to narrow down categories is a good one.
I would imagine this could be implemented by having a system whereby as you loaded a shot, you gave it "labels."
EG a shot of me being spitroast by a white guy and a black guy whilst masturbating a female would have the tags:
"Group"
"Interracial"
"Bisexual"
If I'd had my face in the cream cake aisle at Tesco, I might decide to use the tag "BBW" (Can't see it though, I hate that phrase)
Why on earth is any need to have some passing Joe Bloggs label me as a BBW?
Or indeed be able to label me at all...that, Dear Admin is what's getting peoples backs up.
Can admin explain why the ability to tag is open to everyone? Is there a reason?
I guess the argument will be that the more tags the better, for functionality purposes. Not so. The more accurate the tag, the better. The person most likely to tag their pics accurately is the owner.
Sure, some people would try to abuse the system, but if the tags were kept to a maximum of say 5 per pic, they could be approved by the mega-mods as the pic was being approved. Or there could be a report this tag option.
This isn't social me.
confused
Quote by Martin_M
Same as more cams and ability to remove whispers (that went live today). We are listening wink no point us doing anything that people dont want.
Please wait until you see the benefits of what we are trying to do here for the members before passing judgement thats all we ask.

More cams and the ability to remove whispers are features that would be considered a no-brainer as far as most are concerned.
You made the point that a lot of people think they are David Bailey, and that would appear to mean that those that takes the pics think they are good pics.
Now, without wishing to be overstepping the mark here, I have seen pics of people I have seen at munches etc, and the pics sometimes have not done the person justice, because they have been taken with webcams, in poor light, hastily etc, but what if someone was to take a look at a pic, and decided to tick the box that says 'BBW', and yet it was nothing more than an unflattering photo, or that the person detests labels, and would never in a million years consider themselves a BBW, surely someone could cause offence with the tagging of a photo?
Please consider the members before asking them not to pass judgement on something you may now be realising is something they are not totally in support of.
Quote by Witchy
Can admin explain why the ability to tag is open to everyone? Is there a reason?

I would imagine it is because in an effort to provide a feature to increase customer traffic and revenue, by making it open to all, they have an abundance of free labour.
Quote by Angel Chat
My photos have now (yet again!!!!!!!) been moved into my private gallery. When will Admin learn to *let the membership know* that they are going to give people options like this.
If I wanted people to rate me out of ten I'd go to a site that's designed for that purpose, like "hot or not"
mad :x :x :x :x

Totally agree.
Quote by noladreams
My photos have now (yet again!!!!!!!) been moved into my private gallery. When will Admin learn to *let the membership know* that they are going to give people options like this.
If I wanted people to rate me out of ten I'd go to a site that's designed for that purpose, like "hot or not"
mad :x :x :x :x

Totally agree.
I think you're hot redface cool wink
There is another problem of course. If it is true that we are effectively being used to tag other people's photos, does this mean that the first person to see a particular pic is allowed to tag it? Or does each visitor to that particular pic have a chance to tag? Is it first come first served, or are the tags somehow assimilated into a single rationalised profile?
What happens if I tag someone as a BBW who doesn't see themselves as BBW? Or someone else is tagged as gay when they might be straight? How am I supposed to know whether a picture which contains two women are lesbian or not? Without knowing the context it is likely to cause hugh offense.
I've had enough now!
Time and time again I've argued the same point directed towards Admin ... informed consent! Tell people what you are planning, give them chance to mull through the ideas and then avoid the "shit hitting the fan" reaction that you incur each time you introduce something new!
It's about time you listened!
I'm definitely pulling my pics and I won't be putting them back up in the galleries indefinitely!
Quote by Martin_M
Same as more cams and ability to remove whispers (that went live today). We are listening wink no point us doing anything that people dont want.
Please wait until you see the benefits of what we are trying to do here for the members before passing judgement thats all we ask.

I think some of the recent improvements have been good. I cannot honestly see, however, allowing someone to tag my photos of me without my permissionis any improvement.
And, as Angel Chat said earlier, it would be nice to get some warning of these sort of changes.
Could you not generate a PM to all members or at the very least a big bold announcement type of thing on everyone's home pages letting them know that changes are afoot and what they're going to be? That way, people can opt in or opt out.
Do the good folk at SH Towers not learn anything from the very public uproars that are made when other sites (like Facebook) change formats? People's protests make headline news. Part of the gripes folk have with Facebook is making changes without information/warnings being given.
I reckon an SH news bulletin type of feature would be a good thing, informing members of changes to the site etc. It could be posted once a month on home pages and then we'd all be aware of stuff.
I hate the thought of random folk passing judgement on my photos. I hate labels and I hate infantile games like "Hot or Not" and "Social Me." As a result, I'll be transferring all my pics into my private album.
Nola x
We need the public help for the following reasons.
1. We have 500,000 to do if people did all their own and we could rely on them to do them we would not need any help. Fact is most will not bother so that would be a huge issue.
2. If we cant get them tagged we would need to delete them, now if a few of you are frustrated now imagine how that would make thousands of people feel?
3. Very often you get people trying to pass off as women etc or something they are not. Taking a maximum of ten tags on each picture or video will make sure this will be represented correctly. This is the most honest and accurate way to do it.
As already stated we want people to tag their own we are planning to ask for peoples help on their home pages in the next few days.
Quote by Martin_M
We need the public help for the following reasons.
1. We have 500,000 to do if people did all their own and we could rely on them to do them we would not need any help. Fact is most will not bother so that would be a huge issue.
So why not ask?
2. If we cant get them tagged we would need to delete them, now if a few of you are frustrated now imagine how that would make thousands of people feel?
By informing, and asking, volunteers may well step forward, therefore eliminating this problem.
3. Very often you get people trying to pass off as women etc or something they are not. Taking a maximum of ten tags on each picture or video will make sure this will be represented correctly. This is the most honest and accurate way to do it.

So this is a) verification b) only verified by the first 10 people to see?
Quote by Martin_M
We need the public help for the following reasons.
1. We have 500,000 to do if people did all their own and we could rely on them to do them we would not need any help. Fact is most will not bother so that would be a huge issue.

So if they don't bother to rate them then delete them. Provided you give them the option to rate them before you delete them.
Quote by Martin_M
2. If we cant get them tagged we would need to delete them, now if a few of you are frustrated now imagine how that would make thousands of people feel?

Why should you care? dunno As long as they've had the option to rate their own pics then it's not your problem that they've chosen not to. That's their choice and that's too bad! :mrgreen:
Quote by Martin_M
3. Very often you get people trying to pass off as women etc or something they are not. Taking a maximum of ten tags on each picture or video will make sure this will be represented correctly. This is the most honest and accurate way to do it.

So really, it is verification then. You want other people to verify that my pics are who I say they are?
:dunno:
Quote by Martin_M
We need the public help for the following reasons.
1. We have 500,000 to do if people did all their own and we could rely on them to do them we would not need any help. Fact is most will not bother so that would be a huge issue. If they don't bother, there pics won't show in an advanced search. They have an incentive.

2. If we cant get them tagged we would need to delete them, now if a few of you are frustrated now imagine how that would make thousands of people feel?
Why?
3. Very often you get people trying to pass off as women etc or something they are not. Taking a maximum of ten tags on each picture or video will make sure this will be represented correctly. This is the most honest and accurate way to do it.

No it's not. I made a sensible suggestion to get round abuse of the self-tag system earlier. It wouldn't take 5 minutes for me to round up enough people to have DirtyGirly tagged as a gay bloke.
Oh, and masterbation? On a swingers site? Really really? :shock:
Quote by Witchy
It wouldn't take 5 minutes for me to round up enough people to have DirtyGirly tagged as a gay bloke.

Have you seen her cock? I'd turn....
And another thing, I've just been looking at some of your labels/categories.
Define "sexy" and "erotic" and, indeed "BBW".
What I find sexy and erotic and the size of woman I would categorise as BBW (I hate that term by the way) may be waaaaaaaay different to what you would find any of those things.
So those categories - especially sexy and erotic - are just too damn subjective to be valid terms for searching on anyway.
In my opinion of course.
Quote by bbw_lover
There is another problem of course. If it is true that we are effectively being used to tag other people's photos, does this mean that the first person to see a particular pic is allowed to tag it? Or does each visitor to that particular pic have a chance to tag? Is it first come first served, or are the tags somehow assimilated into a single rationalised profile?
What happens if I tag someone as a BBW who doesn't see themselves as BBW? Or someone else is tagged as gay when they might be straight? How am I supposed to know whether a picture which contains two women are lesbian or not? Without knowing the context it is likely to cause hugh offense.

I agree with all that. It will be a first come first served basis.
The whispers thing......I've not been in the chat to have a play about with this, but do u select poeple who u don't want to whisper, or is it a block-all-whispers thing? Like a lot of people, I hate uninvited whispers, but I do whisper people who I know and know I'm invited to do so....and vice versa.
Miss Cream xxx
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And another thing, I've just been looking at some of your labels/categories.
Define "sexy" and "erotic" and, indeed "BBW".
What I find sexy and erotic and the size of woman I would categorise as BBW (I hate that term by the way) may be waaaaaaaay different to what you would find any of those things.
So those categories - especially sexy and erotic - are just too damn subjective to be valid terms for searching on anyway.
In my opinion of course.

We've just been talking about that. I wouldn't personally do it, but if I were to, I may catagorise someone as bbw, but the person may not consider themselves as such. I do think that aspect of it will cause offence to some people.
Miss Cream xxx
Quote by Martin_M
We have a private image gallery for anyone who wants to keep pictures private and out of the public gallery.

Yes, and a very useful function that is. Except, look at this link http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/members/gallery/photo/3289584/?c=public&t=3&n=58#tag
That's a picture of me that is :smug:
And it's in my fucking private gallery!!! banghead Why is it still showing in the tagging gallery?? Check my profile if you don't believe me. You'll see that it says 12 pictures, but then when you try to view the pics, it tells you that I don't currently have any pictures.
So why am I still showing up on HotOrNot?!!!
evil mad
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We have a private image gallery for anyone who wants to keep pictures private and out of the public gallery.

Yes, and a very useful function that is. Except, look at this link http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/members/gallery/photo/3289584/?c=public&t=3&n=58#tag
That's a picture of me that is :smug:
And it's in my fucking private gallery!!! banghead Why is it still showing in the tagging gallery?? Check my profile if you don't believe me. You'll see that it says 12 pictures, but then when you try to view the pics, it tells you that I don't currently have any pictures.
So why am I still showing up on HotOrNot?!!!
evil mad
You've done the official support ticket complaint, I take it?
Angel if its private it will not show publicly, but you will be able to see it and publicly post a link of it (like in the forum).
You can always see all your own pictures from your own account and the link is there for you to tag your own.
It cant be set to private, if you need help doing that let us know. If you just removed it from public it might take a little while to come out.
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Angel if its private it will not show publicly

Angel said it is in her private gallery, yet I just saw it, thanks to the link she provided, surely even if she has posted that link, I should not be able to see it???
Quote by Martin_M
Angel if its private it will not show publicly, but you will be able to see it and publicly post a link of it (like in the forum).
You can always see all your own pictures from your own account and the link is there for you to tag your own.

That's why I logged into another account to check first Martin.
And yes Nola, I have submitted a support ticket smile
Quote by Martin_M
Angel if its private it will not show publicly, but you will be able to see it and publicly post a link of it (like in the forum).
You can always see all your own pictures from your own account and the link is there for you to tag your own.

But if it's in her private gallery (which I don't have access to sad ), then I shouldn't have been able to see it. But I can, from that link.
Quote by Martin_M
It cant be set to private, if you need help doing that let us know. If you just removed it from public it might take a little while to come out.

I removed all of my pictures from the public folder to my private folder 2 hours ago. How long should it take? rolleyes
If you click the link back to the public gallery from the link you posted it is not there. I suspect you put it private and its been in the cache.