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My (very bestest and dearest) vanilla friend and I weree discussuing swinging the other night over a bottle (or three) of el Vino Collapso, and got onto the subject of paying for sex.
I said thats not something I would ever consider (prostitutes /escorts/gigolos) and neither would Mr B.
She said that in effect we paid for sex when we swung (swang, swinged?? dunno ) so it made us (almost) the same as those who chose to pay for prostitutes.
When I asked her to clarify, she said that because of the extra sexy lingerie, love toys, clothes, shoes, meals, drinks, hotels etc that we shelled out for, thatb we wouldnt necessarily have bought, in essence that was us paying to have sex with other people.
I must admit I was a little taken aback by her opinions, and thought that maybe because she was vanilla then she didnt quite 'get' the lifestyle. But like I said shes one of my bestest mates and I love her to bits, differences and all)
What are your thoughts on her opinions?
she is talking out of the proverbial.
If you take it to the lowest common denominator then she may have the smallest of points. rolleyes
BUT and it is a big but. Paying for sex from someone who has been forced into the lifestyle by a set of circumstances is a world away from a few kinky items to increase the pleasure between two (or more) people who are positively pursuing their own pleasure. What I mean is that I do what I want when swinging. I am in it for my pleasure and I seek others whose interests match mine. Paying for sex is about negating the need to have interest his/her pleasure by handing over money.
I could go on.... but your friend is a little naive in my opinion.
She's talking a load of rubbish, Mrs. B. rolleyes
Quote by Bonedigger
When I asked her to clarify, she said that because of the extra sexy lingerie, love toys, clothes, shoes, meals, drinks, hotels etc that we shelled out for, thatb we wouldnt necessarily have bought, in essence that was us paying to have sex with other people.

but don't vanilla couples do the same at times? You don't have to be a swinger to warrant buying sexy undies, toys, clothes etc or even having the occasional fun night away from home? I did this with my ex hubby once or twice as a bit of roleplay. He booked a hotel room in another town, told me to be at such-and-such place at a certain time and we pretended to be meeting for the first time, heavy flirting, meal, drinks and back to his room for some amazing sex! Was I his ho for the night? No, we were just having some fun!
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firstly can someone explain to me what vanilla means? seen this used a couple of times now and not sure.
as for us paying for sex. well no we never would. as spurs says why pay when you can get it for free. but then i know that the point of paying is what turns some people on.
as for us paying for swinging....yes and no
yes we pay to be on here, travel costs, hotels and the rest. but then...
well no coz we already have the sex toys for our own enjoyment, and wouldn't you all be prepared to do/did this when you start a new relationship. that involves dinners, new sexy underwear, hotels and days out and all the rest. doesn't it all boil down to the same thing?

Vanilla = unflavoured, plain ie: "normal" "monogamy"
Swinging = choose your flavour, and add chocolate sauce
:thumbup:
I don't see it as paying for sex!
I see it as another form of enjoyment and entertainment all of which vanilla or swinging cost some money.
So I don't really see your friends points.
Maybe tell her to try then comment! lol
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firstly can someone explain to me what vanilla means? seen this used a couple of times now and not sure.

Vanilla means a non-swinger. Vanilla is plain, ordinary, unexciting:-)
As for the main point of the thread, while she may be your bestest mate, she's talking complete and utter bollocks:-) To be paying for sex you have to give someone money in return for sex. Giving someone money for things that make sex better, or more interesting or even more likely isn't paying for sex.
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well i'll have chocolate sauce and sprinkles with mine please biggrin

Me too - and can I have nuts as well? :twisted:
LOL thanks for all your comments lol
I do think that you hit the nail on the head when you said she is naive about the lifestyle....i have only just 'come out' to her, and I think she is just trying to make sense of it al :lol: :lol:
Well she must also be paying for sex because every date she goes on the guy or herself will have bought an outfit (sexy underwear cool ) condoms (we live in hope), drinks, a meal and then perhaps home for a coffee.......
All paid for.
Prostitution? nope a damn good night out! wink
In the bad old days a woman HAD to get married (unless she was very lucky) to obtain a home, financial security and a pension - there was little or no provision for that for single women. At the same time there was no practical way to prosecute a man for within marriage so the husband could have 'his way' as and when he fancied with no risk of come-back. It would be seen as his conjugal 'right'. Thank goodness the majority of men seem to have been decent people who wouldn't do that - my point is, they could if they wanted.
So, in those days, a man paid for sex by marrying the woman and providing for her. The woman provided sex in exchange for financial support.
Old-time marriage was far closer to prostitution than modern swinging could ever be. Unfortunately there are some men (and women) who still think that way about their 'rights' and dependency in marriage.
Nope i dont think we pay for sex we pay for the toys clothes etc for the pleasure of them - i know plenty of vanillas who also have a toy box or draw full of sexy clothing it is not something that applies just to swingers
bless her.
wonder what she'd say if she could speak
Foxy lady wrote about the old marriage system. It is still the same now! In a marriage where one partner does not work (man or women) and receives full financial support from the other and expects all the trimmings in return, is that not prostitution of some degree
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Foxy lady wrote about the old marriage system. It is still the same now! In a marriage where one partner does not work (man or women) and receives full financial support from the other and expects all the trimmings in return, is that not prostitution of some degree

Nope. Unless the 'paying' partner has some sort of agreement verbal or otherwise, detailing the transactional element of their 'contract' Eg. I bring home the wages you lick my clit every night for 20 mins.
I had toys and sexy undies long before I joined the swinging scene.
If I go for a meal with my friend, is that then classed as prostitution to your friend? She is entitled to her opinion but I think she has it very wrong.
LG
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I bring home the wages you lick my clit every night for 20 mins.

when do I move in then............. rolleyes
Quote by markz
I bring home the wages you lick my clit every night for 20 mins.

when do I move in then............. rolleyes
you are going for the two for one deal aren't you ? :roll:
Quote by Joe9028
Foxy lady wrote about the old marriage system. It is still the same now! In a marriage where one partner does not work (man or women) and receives full financial support from the other and expects all the trimmings in return, is that not prostitution of some degree

Respectfully, no.
They maybe some *cost* to participate in swinging but I would say the same when dating! Its all extra to our normal household expenditure...all the rest is called having a life me thinks in whatever way you want!!
Quote by splendid_
I bring home the wages you lick my clit every night for 20 mins.

when do I move in then............. rolleyes
you are going for the two for one deal aren't you ? :roll:
keep your double ended dildo away from me... :roll:
Quote by markz
I bring home the wages you lick my clit every night for 20 mins.

when do I move in then............. rolleyes
you are going for the two for one deal aren't you ? :roll:
keep your double ended dildo away from me... :roll:
you say no when you mean yes.
I think the general legalities of swinging were discussed a few months ago. Its not quite as simple as a harmless hobby. If you were accused of pimping your partner and coercing them into doing sexual acts with other people you can still be taken to court for such activities; and subsequently charged and would find it hard to argue your case.
figure this out two married guys went to american for three months on work assignment,on their first nightout one met a girl(clubber) and the other picked up a hooker...after the three months who will have paid more for sex?????
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figure this out two married guys went to american for three months on work assignment,on their first nightout one met a girl(clubber) and the other picked up a hooker...after the three months who will have paid more for sex?????

Well it depends how many times the one guy met the hooker and to be honest the other guy isnt paying for sex in the accepted sense is he...
He is spending time with the girl,going on dates,going for meals,walks in the park, all that kind of jazz so the two cannot be compared...
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figure this out two married guys went to american for three months on work assignment,on their first nightout one met a girl(clubber) and the other picked up a hooker...after the three months who will have paid more for sex?????

Well it depends how many times the one guy met the hooker and to be honest the other guy isnt paying for sex in the accepted sense is he...
He is spending time with the girl,going on dates,going for meals,walks in the park, all that kind of jazz so the two cannot be compared...
the bottom line is they are both spending money to be with the girls...dates,meal,jazz are all quality life which cannot be compared but MUST be paid for
time is money
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the bottom line is they are both spending money to be with the girls...dates,meal,jazz are all quality life which cannot be compared but MUST be paid for
time is money

What an absurd comment confused
There is no way the two can be compared....
How about if the guy and the girl "go Dutch" dunno
Does that mean the prostitute is hiring a Gigolo :?:
So a family man who spends time with his wife but maybe only has sex once a month but pays the mortgage and all the bills etc etc is paying more for sex than someone who visits a prostitute pro rata :dunno:
They just cannot be compared......No way.......No how.....
Quote by Phuckers
figure this out two married guys went to american for three months on work assignment,on their first nightout one met a girl(clubber) and the other picked up a hooker...after the three months who will have paid more for sex?????

Well it depends how many times the one guy met the hooker and to be honest the other guy isnt paying for sex in the accepted sense is he...
He is spending time with the girl,going on dates,going for meals,walks in the park, all that kind of jazz so the two cannot be compared...
the bottom line is they are both spending money to be with the girls...dates,meal,jazz are all quality life which cannot be compared but MUST be paid for
time is money
this makes me :scared: to think that you would class buying a woman a meal or a few drinks with paying a prostitute for sex :shock:
steve can you read my last comment again carefully before i back it up..thank you
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steve can you read my last comment again carefully before i back it up..thank you

I have read it thankyou......