Science shows that Gay Men have womens brain stem cells

26 Nov 2005

Quote by steveg_nw
Science shows that Gay Men have womens brain stem cells.

Well they should give them back ............ it's hard enough for women as it is without people nicking their brain cells. wink

Ask blonde! lol

Steve
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26 Nov 2005

Quote by maidinheaven
I think I can shed a little light here:
So with your permission:-
G-protein mutations have not been described in corticotophic systems. In view of the potential effects of adenylyl cyclase dysregulaton on POMC gene transcription, and the potential effects of gip on cell functions 32 corticotrophic adenomas for gsp and gip gene mutations using polymerase chain reaction followed by site-directed oligo nucleioteid hybridhdriization.
I hope this clears ups this matter once and for all.
Mollie

Not really. Please expand.

26 Nov 2005

Quote by couple_ne2000
I think I can shed a little light here:
So with your permission:-
G-protein mutations have not been described in corticotophic systems. In view of the potential effects of adenylyl cyclase dysregulaton on POMC gene transcription, and the potential effects of gip on cell functions 32 corticotrophic adenomas for gsp and gip gene mutations using polymerase chain reaction followed by site-directed oligo nucleioteid hybridhdriization.
I hope this clears ups this matter once and for all.
Mollie

Not really. Please expand.
That's some serious gibberish there. It looks like it's been lifted from an abstract or a molecular biology textbook, though one would have thought that both of those sources would be able to spell nucleotide. lol

26 Nov 2005

Quote by Silk and Big G
I myself have never met a gay man that claimed he was a woman trapped in a mans body , in fact the prevailing gay males attitude would vehemently deny such a claim , stating categorically that they are men who are attrcted to other men . rather than any freakish 'failed female'.
Peace G

Absobloodylutely what G said (and I'm a gay man) although I agree that there are some 'screamers' around wink

I refer you to my signature :P - If anyone wants to test out the masculinity theory me and Mr Bloke are happy to oblige :wink:

26 Nov 2005

Quote by Deviated Prevert
I think I can shed a little light here:
So with your permission:-
G-protein mutations have not been described in corticotophic systems. In view of the potential effects of adenylyl cyclase dysregulaton on POMC gene transcription, and the potential effects of gip on cell functions 32 corticotrophic adenomas for gsp and gip gene mutations using polymerase chain reaction followed by site-directed oligo nucleioteid hybridhdriization.
I hope this clears ups this matter once and for all.
Mollie

Not really. Please expand.
That's some serious gibberish there. It looks like it's been lifted from an abstract or a molecular biology textbook, though one would have thought that both of those sources would be able to spell nucleotide. lol

:cry: I thought that might be the case. I suspected it had been lifted from an article about obesity due to the genes mentioned. But thought that maybe new pathways had been discovered.

26 Nov 2005

Quote by rotundman
Controversial toic it may be but pPost motem research carried out on gay men has shown some interesting results. Evidently female identitry cells have been found in the pituatry gland. All foetus start off as female and through gestation either remain so or change to male based on the xy or xx chromosone. This research seeem to confirm waht some gay men and transexuals have been saying for years that they are women trapped in men's bodies. Discuss.

Unless they do post mortems on every gay and transexual man, the only thing this proves is either the scientists or the media have generically labelled a complex and varied cross-section of society.

26 Nov 2005

Quote by lycrathong
"Male trapped in a female body?" No way, that's a transexual. I'm homosexual but 100% male and love fucking, it just happens that I prefer to put my cock up a male butt rather than a female pussy.

Oh don't beat about the bush.. say it like it is mate wink

:P

26 Nov 2005

Quote by couple_ne2000
I think I can shed a little light here:
So with your permission:-
G-protein mutations have not been described in corticotophic systems. In view of the potential effects of adenylyl cyclase dysregulaton on POMC gene transcription, and the potential effects of gip on cell functions 32 corticotrophic adenomas for gsp and gip gene mutations using polymerase chain reaction followed by site-directed oligo nucleioteid hybridhdriization.
I hope this clears ups this matter once and for all.
Mollie

Not really. Please expand.
That's some serious gibberish there. It looks like it's been lifted from an abstract or a molecular biology textbook, though one would have thought that both of those sources would be able to spell nucleotide. lol

:cry: I thought that might be the case. I suspected it had been lifted from an article about obesity due to the genes mentioned. But thought that maybe new pathways had been discovered.
What? I can't even spell corcicotrophic. Missed that one , yes?
Sorry, I couldn't take this seriously. I apologise to all those who have a serious interest in this.
Edit: I lifted this from my step-daughter's PhD thesis. But I left out the bits I couldn't understand. She truly is a molecular bioligist.
Mollie

26 Nov 2005

Bear in mind that the "scientists" behind this "research" have to earn a crust somehow.
So, far from joining-in with the research into something useful, like cancer research, they chose to investigate what makes some people gay.
Doubtless there is some backing from people who would like to be able to inject some sort of gunk into gay people to change them to "normal" people (the ones who drop bombs on others etc).........
But the reasoning is very suspect, like most "back-door" research today....trying to find a reason for things that are not that important....but then, ther's the pension and holidays to think next years new

26 Nov 2005

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26 Nov 2005

Quote by jomu
Bear in mind that the "scientists" behind this "research" have to earn a crust somehow.
So, far from joining-in with the research into something useful, like cancer research, they chose to investigate what makes some people gay.
Doubtless there is some backing from people who would like to be able to inject some sort of gunk into gay people to change them to "normal" people (the ones who drop bombs on others etc).........
But the reasoning is very suspect, like most "back-door" research today....trying to find a reason for things that are not that important....but then, ther's the pension and holidays to think next years new

Speaking as a Scientist I'd justt like to point out that the researchers will be lucky to earn 15K and more than likely nearer the region of 8k - 10k.
Not every Scientist can work on cancer research, there isn't the funding and not everyones interest lies in the same field.
I would be very suprised if the person who began this research did it with the intention too finding a "cure" for being gay. Just because they want to find out if there is a gene or metabolic pathway involved does not equate to wanting to find a cure. The same as wanting to know the genes involved with having brown eyes doesn't mean the same thing as wanting to cure brown eyes!
Scientists just want to know! We are very nosy. Remember when you were a kid and you asked "why does X happen?", you were told the answer then asked "but why?" then "but why?", until whoever you were asking ran out of questions. I bet you grew out of that, us Scientists didn't smile

26 Nov 2005

I can find millions of pages about the subject, never mind how much they are paid...how much could they get paid IF.

26 Nov 2005

I have a question........
Why is it when people talk about trans sexuals they only ever consider male to female TS, i have a auntie that tryed for years to get a sex change op from felame to male and it seems even the medical proffesion do not recognise it as much as the male to female op, so my real question is how does this theory of the whole XX, XY thing when being a baby work if your a man and believe your trapped in a womans body?

26 Nov 2005

Quote by jomu

I can find millions of pages about the subject, never mind how much they are paid...how much could they get paid IF.

To take the articles you have linked to in turn;
The first article describes male/male pairings of penguines. It is well known that most species animals if not all species of animals display homosexuality. I can see why in the setting of a zoo the keepers would be trying to encourage male/female pairings as male/male pairings are of no use in a breeding program. I don't see this as an atempt to cure gayness as such just an attempt too produce offspring. Obviously an ethical argument comes in at this point. If the penguines are happy as they then it would be detrimental to their welbeing to split them up etc etc. There are many examples of how animals are treated in ways that we would not want humans to be treat i.e. farmed for meat.
The second article is the most disturbing and most frightening. I agree that the type of research being discussed in this thread could be used negatively (to put it mildly) by these types of people. However we can't just not do research on subjects that someone could possibly use in a negative way.
The third article I totally agree with. The problems begin when a reporter with little or no knowledge of the subject cherry picks part of a scientific study and publishes them in a newspaper. This quite often leads totally incorrect information being reported. How many times have you heard about outbreaks of the e-coli virus. When infact e-coli is infact a bacterium which is part of the normal gut flora, it is only e-coli 0157 that causes haemorragic food poisoning. I also agree that research teams deliberatley publish mistakes. This is to allow partly completed research to be published without giving other researchers all the answers. The deliberatley placed mistakes are usually very small details such as switchinng the order of two base pairs in a sequence or missing out a line in a mathematical equation.
And as for how much they could get paid. Still very little. Yes more and more patents are being sought for everything includig gene sequences. There are many debates rageing on subject within the scientific community. However when you carry out research of this type it is usally done on an acedemic basis. The work will more than likely be being connducted in a unniversity lab. It is normal for their to be a clause in your conntract that states, any scienntific outcome becomes intellectual property of the university/institution where the research is being carried out. Scientists are very poorly paid, even if they make massive discoveries. If an AIDS vaccine is ever produced it will be some pleb who makes the discovery, who will take home the same pay packet that month as they did the previous month. It will be the lab/company they work for that gets the recognition.

27 Nov 2005

Quote by naughtynymphos1
I have a question........
Why is it when people talk about trans sexuals they only ever consider male to female TS, i have a auntie that tryed for years to get a sex change op from felame to male and it seems even the medical proffesion do not recognise it as much as the male to female op, so my real question is how does this theory of the whole XX, XY thing when being a baby work if your a man and believe your trapped in a womans body?

XX and XY aren't the only two sex chromosome combinations, there's quite a few others, including XXX, XYY, XXY (Kleinfelter's syndrome), etc, etc. I'm sure somebody who knows a lot more of the details than me (I'm relying on A'Level biology, though I did get a B smile

) could go into it in more depth. I know that the one person I know who's considering male to female gender reassignment is XXY, but not all would be.

27 Nov 2005

Quote by Deviated Prevert
I have a question........
Why is it when people talk about trans sexuals they only ever consider male to female TS, i have a auntie that tryed for years to get a sex change op from felame to male and it seems even the medical proffesion do not recognise it as much as the male to female op, so my real question is how does this theory of the whole XX, XY thing when being a baby work if your a man and believe your trapped in a womans body?

XX and XY aren't the only two sex chromosome combinations, there's quite a few others, including XXX, XYY, XXY (Kleinfelter's syndrome), etc, etc. I'm sure somebody who knows a lot more of the details than me (I'm relying on A'Level biology, though I did get a B smile

) could go into it in more depth. I know that the one person I know who's considering male to female gender reassignment is XXY, but not all would be.
Bloody hell yoou must have had a good A-level teacher. Didn't even touch on that until degree level genetics!

27 Nov 2005

Point: Missed:
Throughout history, and still today, a person (or persons) different from the norm have been (and still are) persecuted by those who consider themselves "normal"
I have personal experience of this, since I am (basically) left handed....this "normal" phenomena led to me being slapped on the hand when I wrote with my left hand, then my arm was tied behind my back, and finally my left hand was "clubbed" with a bandage.....which has led to me writing with my right hand....but doing other things with my left......until the last quarter of the previous century, people with asthma at school were seen being made to run around until near to collapse....the theory at the time was that asthma was a "nervous" condition which could be cured...etc
So, given the excitement at the discovery of a reason for being gay, is it too much to hope that "it" won't be used to "cure" the person via gene therapy ?

Well, I'm not optimistic............science may well have given us some good stuff but along with that comes a load of through the next url...(it's not about sex but science...and how one scientist contradicts another....at the root of which is politics and business

Personally I find most gay people to be quite happy....it's the other people who have the problem....try asking a gay person working in industry about how well-adjusted "normal" people treat them.

2 Oct 2007

There is nothing Postmodern about this research, I think you should read about Post modernity before you comment again. However there has indeed been a lot of research about brain Physiognomy and sex (not gender let’s not miss understand, and use them synonymously please) there have been found to be cell density levels found in (biological) transsexuals at the same level as those found in females and brain structure has been found to be very similar with small ancient centre and hippocampus areas as well as the use of 2 communication centres as found in women but not in men. The whole chromosome area should be left well alone though as it has been found in the great genome experiment which has been going on for years, that males can be xy or xx and some xy females have been found as well as the obvious xxy etc, the xx-v-xy defining sex has been shown to be by no means definitive. This is an area of research for myself and I have found that there are no clearly defined set reasons for homosexuality or Transsexuality, there are some of both that can be clearly seen to be biologically determined, however there are some who are undoubtedly sociologically constructed as well.

2 Oct 2007

Quote by DrSamanthaONeil
There is nothing Postmodern about this research, I think you should read about Post modernity before you comment again. However there has indeed been a lot of research about brain Physiognomy and sex (not gender let’s not miss understand, and use them synonymously please) there have been found to be cell density levels found in (biological) transsexuals at the same level as those found in females and brain structure has been found to be very similar with small ancient centre and hippocampus areas as well as the use of 2 communication centres as found in women but not in men. The whole chromosome area should be left well alone though as it has been found in the great genome experiment which has been going on for years, that males can be xy or xx and some xy females have been found as well as the obvious xxy etc, the xx-v-xy defining sex has been shown to be by no means definitive. This is an area of research for myself and I have found that there are no clearly defined set reasons for homosexuality or Transsexuality, there are some of both that can be clearly seen to be biologically determined, however there are some who are undoubtedly sociologically constructed as well.

:thumbup:
I was about to write something along similar lines but this is far superior to anything I would have done.

2 Oct 2007

Someone, ages ago wrote:
"Science shows that Gay Men have womens brainstem cells"
Yeah, right rotflmao

3 Oct 2007

I found reading this thread fascinating though to be honest its a bit 'up your arse' language for me.
What I want to know is if, DrSamanthaONeil. You had this on your mind for two years between posts :lol2: confused

Damned good thread though.

3 Oct 2007

:shock: Are you still doing your research then, doctor?
Maybe the people who posted, aren't so much interested in post-modernity as they are in swinging?

3 Oct 2007

Quote by bbw_lover
There is nothing Postmodern about this research, I think you should read about Post modernity before you comment again. However there has indeed been a lot of research about brain Physiognomy and sex (not gender let’s not miss understand, and use them synonymously please) there have been found to be cell density levels found in (biological) transsexuals at the same level as those found in females and brain structure has been found to be very similar with small ancient centre and hippocampus areas as well as the use of 2 communication centres as found in women but not in men. The whole chromosome area should be left well alone though as it has been found in the great genome experiment which has been going on for years, that males can be xy or xx and some xy females have been found as well as the obvious xxy etc, the xx-v-xy defining sex has been shown to be by no means definitive. This is an area of research for myself and I have found that there are no clearly defined set reasons for homosexuality or Transsexuality, there are some of both that can be clearly seen to be biologically determined, however there are some who are undoubtedly sociologically constructed as well.

:thumbup:
I was about to write something along similar lines but this is far superior to anything I would have done.
You've been thinking about it fer a while then!! :giggle:
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3 Oct 2007

Quote by naughtynymphos1
when ever people think of sex changes etc they always think of male to female, there is a portion of women who have female to male sex changes, if as you say these men feel they are women trapped inside a mans body and they are saying its because we all start off as females and some change to males in the womb but some part of the female stem cell left in the brain that makes them gay/trans sexual, how does that work the other way round when women want to become men?

I bet a few of us wish that someone who could answer that question was still here to answer it. :?

3 Oct 2007

Quote by rotundman
Controversial toic it may be but pPost motem research carried out on gay men has shown some interesting results. Evidently female identitry cells have been found in the pituatry gland. All foetus start off as female and through gestation either remain so or change to male based on the xy or xx chromosone. This research seeem to confirm waht some gay men and transexuals have been saying for years that they are women trapped in men's bodies. Discuss.

The sex of an individual is not directly related to the chromosome that they carry. In normal cases the chromosomes set in motion events that determine sex, but in a very few cases when the fetus is stressed the sex can go wrong. In deed in many species sex is determined by the temperature of the developing embryo.
In a chimera where the two sets of chromosome are different (xy and xx), one would presumably determine the sex.
Interesting.