should i call the rspca

17 Jun 2005

Quote by freckledbird
sorry did not read all posts just the opening one and was agreeing with the thought of calling rspca

Rachel did that ages ago, read the bits you missed biggrin

oh i cant be bothered lol

theres a party going on in another thread. bugger bugger missing the cream thing :lol: wave

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x rache x
Rachel you silly moo, I meant for xman to read the bits he'd missed! :lol:
yea yea what ever lol
join the party ffs your missing it :lol:
x rache x

17 Jun 2005

"Pikey" is certainly an insulting term, but it's doubtful whether it can be classed as directly racist. There's a good entry on the word in Wikipedia:

Pikey is a pejorative slang term used in the United Kingdom. The term standardly refers to Irish Travellers as was originally a contraction of the word "turnpike", but in recent years the definition has become looser and it is sometimes used to refer to a wide section of the (generally urban) underclass of the country, particularly those on whom the lower middle classes look down. When used to refer to Gypsies it often considered to have racist connotations; even when it refers to others, many people consider it racist because it is a racial epithet used as a derogatory term. However, many would insist it refers mainly to the traveller way of living, rather than any ethnic group.

17 Jun 2005

Quote by MikeNorth
"Pikey" is certainly an insulting term, but it's doubtful whether it can be classed as directly racist. There's a good entry on the word in Wikipedia:
Pikey is a pejorative slang term used in the United Kingdom. The term standardly refers to Irish Travellers as was originally a contraction of the word "turnpike", but in recent years the definition has become looser and it is sometimes used to refer to a wide section of the (generally urban) underclass of the country, particularly those on whom the lower middle classes look down. When used to refer to Gypsies it often considered to have racist connotations; even when it refers to others, many people consider it racist because it is a racial epithet used as a derogatory term. However, many would insist it refers mainly to the traveller way of living, rather than any ethnic group.

..thanks Mike, never heard it before tonight redface

17 Jun 2005

Quote by alspals
..thanks Mike, never heard it before tonight

You're welcome alspals, I think they are more common further south.

18 Jun 2005

Quote by MikeNorth
..thanks Mike, never heard it before tonight

You're welcome alspals, I think they are more common further south.
Yes, I can vouch for that! They turn up every now and then right outside my street. I'm not going to air my views on here as they are quite derogatory (sp?) but they do leave an awful mess behind which the tax payer has to fork out for!

18 Jun 2005

I think I'll post my comment on this subject in the 'Bitchin thread'.....

18 Jun 2005

Anyway..............
Let us know what happens to the chicken, please.

18 Jun 2005

sorry 'bout this but I just had to put my two penneth in,this week is the day that some of us who survived it ,remember the battle of the beanfield,,the day the authorities and middle england secided to clamp down and destroy that which they didn't understand,just because you have a different outlook on life doesn't make you a bad person,I've lived on the road and experienced the bigotry and hatred ,suffered unjust treatment simply because england is turning into white christian alabama,,there is a message to be read here,,'fit in or be destroyed''welcome to the worst side of man..and you're f*@kin welcome to it mad

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18 Jun 2005

Quote by duncanlondon
Anyway..............
Let us know what happens to the chicken, please.

Don't worry It's gone to a much better place! wink

18 Jun 2005

While travellers are expected to obey the laws of this land, they do not enjoy equal treatment in the way the law is applied.
Until the Criminal Jiustice and Public Order Act 1994 was passed, all local authorities in England and Wales had a duty to provoide halting sites fot travellers. This odious piece of legislation was brought in by the then Tory Home Secretary, Michael Howard. His penchant for picking on minorities found further expression when he became leader of the Conservative Party and turned his bigoted attention in the recent general election campaign to another soft target - asylum seekers.
Following the 1994 Act, gypsies had no place to live as councils no longer provided halting sites.
It is not fair to say that travellers are unwilling to pay their way. Those who could afford it bought land. They went through the legal channels of applying for planning permission to develop the sites for habitation. Planning permission was refused in the the vast majority of cases. There is a 90% refusal rate for planning applications submiitted by gypsies. Comapre this to the 80% success rate for planning applications by non-gypsies !
So what options remain for the travellers? They can't simply evaporate. They need somewhere to live. So they developed the sites anyway.
Over a third of gypsies have absoluitely nowhere to live. About half of those who do have somewhere to live are herded into sites that are downright dangerous and harmful to their health. Most official (ie Council- run) sites are located next to motorways, refuse tips sewage works, etc.
Life expectancy is far shorter for travellers than it is for the settled community. Infant mortality is far higher among travellers than it is for any other ethnic group. The same is true for levels of illiteracy
The right wing press in this country has a lot to answer for in the way it has demonised travellers. With the help of the Commission for Racial Equality, The Traveller Law Research Unit at Cardiff Law School convened a meeting with newspaper editors and asked them why their papers said such vile thgings about travellers when they did not say equally reprehensible things about Jews or Black people. The editors replied that if they were to speak about Jews or Blacks in the manner that they treat gypsies then their offices would be burned down !
Travellers are expected to conform not only to the laws of the settled community but to many of its norms also. But travellers are denied access to most of the basic amenities that settled people in this country take for granted. These people are exluded socially and economically from "mainstream" society. Is it any wonder that some of them have little respect for a system that treats them like that. How would you behave if you were marginalised, demonised and discriminated against just because of your lifestyle or culture ?
Before you burn your favourite folk demon at the stake, you might do well to consider the words of the Ewan McColl ballad, "Move Along, Get Along."
MOVE ALONG, GET ALONG
Born in the middle of the afternoon
On a horse drawn wagon on the old A5
The big twelve wheelers shook my bed
"You can't stop here" the policeman said
"You'd better get born in someplace else"
Chorus:
So, move along, get along, move along, get along
Go, move, shift
Born in the tattie hoking time
In a canvas tent near the tattie field
The farmer says "Your work's all done
It's time that you were moving on
You'd better get born in someplace else"
Chorus
Born on a common near a building site
Where the ground is rutted with the trailor wheels
The local people said to me
"You lower the price of property
You'd better get born in someplace else"
Chorus
Born at the back of a blackthorn hedge
When the white hoare frost lay all around
No eastern kings came bearing gifts
Instead the order came to shift
You'd better get born in someplace else
Chorus
The winter sky was hung with stars
And one shone brighter than the rest
The wise men came so stern and strict
And brought the order to evict
You'd better get born in someplace else
Chorus
Wagon, tent or trailor born
Last month, last year or in far off days
Born here or a thousand miles away
There's always men nearby who say
"You'd better get born in someplace else"
Chorus

Or, as a better-known song puts it, "Tonight thank God it's them instead of me."

19 Jun 2005

Hi Rachel and Peaches,
Yes.... definitely call the RSPCA... the cockerel is probably being used as a fighting bird for monetary profit.... The mere fact that the bird is tethered and not roaming free as most of their chickens and cockerels are suggests that this bird is different, and they dont want it to wander off. The injuries/marks on its body that you describe seem to indicate that this bird is being mal-treated... and i would call the RSPCA straight away and voice your concerns very very strongly and insist that they check the animal over. They will take a Police support vehicle with them anyway as that is standard practice when dealing with the travelling community... unfortunate but true.......
equi-princess xxx

21 Jun 2005

What happened to the chicken?

22 Jun 2005

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".
Wise words and often a message or warning gone unheaded. I've tried to live by those words but I know I fail miserably.

22 Jun 2005

As an animal lover and owner.. good on ya Rache......... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

22 Jun 2005

I don't want to be pedantic about this but the last time I looked a chicken was a bird so why report it to the RSPCA confused

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Surely it should have been the RSPB.
I can't believe it's got to page 3 without this being noticed!

22 Jun 2005

The RSPB don't operate as an emergency service.

22 Jun 2005

Quote by Riff Raff
There is a 90% refusal rate for planning applications submitted by gypsies. Compare this to the 80% success rate for planning applications by non-gypsies !

I may be talking through my backside, (I do this a lot), but I suggest that the above statement, if true, has more to do with the applications than the statistics suggest. By this I mean that most people don't make applications when the local authority tell them they don't have a chance.
If any of us went out and bought a field as agricultural land not zoned for development, and then applied for building permission, I think we'd suffer an identical rejection rate. On the other hand, if you want to build a garage, your neighbour doesn't mind, and it fits in with the local plan, you're going to apply and likely succeed.

22 Jun 2005

Quote by xrusman
"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".
Wise words and often a message or warning gone unheaded. I've tried to live by those words but I know I fail miserably.

preferablely not in a glass house

22 Jun 2005

Quote by rachel-lane+peaches
peaches and me were on the way back from shopping for a new bbq and sun loungers when we drove past some pikeys that have camped up on the side of the road.
now they had the usual jack russel chained up along with a pony, but there was this cockrel tethered to the grass. i think it was a cockrel as it didnt look like one actually not sure what it was but it was a bird in such a bad state. missing loads of feathers and had huge pink bold patches and looking really in a bad way.
im a total animal lover and i hate anyone mistreating animals of any kind.
now do i call the rspca to see if they will go and have a look at this bird as it really needs help.
will they actually go to look as its pikeys were dealing with.
or should i just let it go and have it on my concience and hope someone else has called them?
not swinging related i know, but its really bothering me.
x rache x

Hi Rache
I am also a animal lover and i has the same sort of problem, I was going up the hill in to the main car park of my local dogging site, when a very old transit was on it way down, the hill.
I didnt think anything of it at first, but after about ten min of parking up i noticed a dog running around the park, i had a drive around the car park to see if anyone was around, as this place is mile from anywere, but know one around.
This poor old german shepard was very upset it kept on barking and running toword's the exit.
I watched for a bit and desided that i would open my window of my car and see how friendy he was, he ran over to my car and put his head through the window. I had some water in the car and put some in a old tub i had in the car for him to drink, he drunk the lot but he was still panting away.
I waited for about a hour to see if his owner was coming back, i then desided that they wernt coming back so i phoned the local police as it was about ten at night but very worried about were i was and what i was there for.
they wernt very helpful at all, they said that i would have to phone the RSPCA 24hour help line, so i phone them and they said that it is the police is responcibility, as they have kennels and the RSPCA dont have a out of hour patrol in that area. aparinty the nearest one was some were near london.
By this stage i was getting very upset as the dog was getting more strest by the minute, and no one wanted to help me mad

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So i spoke to the police again and they said it is nothing to do with them :x . i then spoke to the RSPCA again and they said the would get the local vet to phone me, to see what they could do.
I had a very nice lady phone from the local vets and she said that she couldnt come out as she is manning the phones in the office and also has to asist in an operation in the night.
But she did say that if i could bring him in then they would take care of him...I try for ages to try and get him in the car, but finaly i did, i took him to the vets that was thirty miles out of my way, and he was put in a kennel for the night.
I would have taken him home but i was worried that he might be dehydrated, and thought that was the best thing to do.
I didnt sleep very well that night thinking about the poor old dog and what was going to happen to him.
The next morning i phoned the vets very early as i needed to be at work for am to ask how he was, she said he is fine and doing well, i had to thank her for all her help as she was the only one that took the time to try and help me in the hour of need.
A couple of day later i sent a letter to the local police and the RSPCA explaining that i was a tax payer and that i thought it was very wrong that no one could help and that i keep get past back and touth between them both.
I am still waiting for a reply from them
cheers
mikey55

22 Jun 2005

I too do not like that sort of thing. Definately phone them.
Be careful though, they might try and sell you a caravan.