When is a SOCIAL classed as a swingers party??
Is it possible for a social to also have areas where guests can play if they want to take things further??
I think so
As far as i'm concerned, socials is where the emphasis is put on getting the atmosphere right ...
Decent music, good lighting (not too dark), plenty of seating, a large supply of non alcoholic drinks and a smidging of alcohol, a dance-floor and a well managed guest list with a good ratio of fems : men (no1 wants a cattle market scenario) ...
What else do other members think makes a good social? ...
And what changes a social into a swingers party?? ...
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Quote by tonypal
When is a SOCIAL classed as a swingers party??
Is it possible for a social to also have areas where guests can play if they want to take things further??
I think so
As far as i'm concerned, socials is where the emphasis is put on getting the atmosphere right ...
Decent music, good lighting (not too dark), plenty of seating, a large supply of non alcoholic drinks and a smidging of alcohol, a dance-floor and a well managed guest list with a good ratio of fems : men (no1 wants a cattle market scenario) ...
What else do other members think makes a good social? ...
And what changes a social into a swingers party?? ...
People swinging.
Once people start doing anything sexual, it's no longer just a social. In my opinion.
Quote by tonypal
When is a SOCIAL classed as a swingers party??
Is it possible for a social to also have areas where guests can play if they want to take things further??
I think so
unless of course the social is being held in a public, vanilla environment then there is no play, if people hold house parties, its up to the host if they make areas of the house play areas and other areas non play, or to make it purely social or purely play, the guests can make their own minds up wether to attend or not.
As far as i'm concerned, socials is where the emphasis is put on getting the atmosphere right ...
not everyone wants to play at a social, a lot of people use them as a networking event to meet new people in a relaxed atmosphere with no pressure to play, but i do agree a good atmosphere is needed at a social,
Decent music, good lighting (not too dark), plenty of seating, a large supply of non alcoholic drinks and a smidging of alcohol, a dance-floor and a well managed guest list with a good ratio of fems : men (no1 wants a cattle market scenario) ...
What else do other members think makes a good social? ...
And what changes a social into a swingers party?? ...
Sex God
think that any newbies would be put off, the first time peeps go to social they r very shy n it takes a lot to go n meet, the idea of socials is to make a relaxing place n to get to know others.
can always go to a club after if that what others want,
the first time we went to one, we nearly ran away when a fem got her arse smacked by some one they new.
we sat down very fast n thought that must of hurt.
think socials should be kept for social. with option of club after if they want a no presure social....
2s
can always go to a club after if that what others want,
the first time we went to one, we nearly ran away when a fem got her arse smacked by some one they new.
we sat down very fast n thought that must of hurt.
think socials should be kept for social. with option of club after if they want a no presure social....
2s
When i was considering attending my first social I expected a totally social event much like if you met a couple in a pub for an introductory meet.
What I got was very different and although my mind is so broad I wear two hats I can understand how other folk who shared my preconception may have felt uncomfortable.
That said why would the sexual activity at a social be any different from that in the local night club? Maybe we should have a new category "swinging tea dance" for socials that have no frisson whatsoever?
What I got was very different and although my mind is so broad I wear two hats I can understand how other folk who shared my preconception may have felt uncomfortable.
That said why would the sexual activity at a social be any different from that in the local night club? Maybe we should have a new category "swinging tea dance" for socials that have no frisson whatsoever?
Socials are just that, at most its in a pub or club and you go along and meet people who you speak to, dance a bit, eat the curly sarnies and socialise.
House parties are a private affair and so they are run differntly ofcourse, hosts descretion and all that.
By the way we are free for both
House parties are a private affair and so they are run differntly ofcourse, hosts descretion and all that.
By the way we are free for both
Sex God
I think with Socials you need to have a little respect for those who have organised it. If it is in a public place and people start "misbehaving" then the person who organised it (who will most likely be local) could well be aggrieved at people's thoughtlessness.
In such cases, I think any naughtiness should be undertaken back at the hotel / home / hostel / home for the criminally insane.
In such cases, I think any naughtiness should be undertaken back at the hotel / home / hostel / home for the criminally insane.
Quote by danne-gary
i prefer socials to be non playing events
they are a good way for people to get to know others with no presure of playing
and of course there can always be afterparties for playing
I am so pleased this thread has appeared, but I am confused (as usual) about this subject. I have just read the Munch guidlines which state:
"A munch is a purely social event held in a totally neutral environment, often somewhere like a pub, where members of Swinging Heaven get to meet each other. As there's no play involved everyone can relax which gives newbies a chance to ask questions of the more experienced without any fear of getting jumped on, and gives the regulars time to catch-up with old friends and make new ones."
The 'socials' I organise are non playing events, run on a non profit making basis, and I have asked them to be catagorised as munches in the past, mainly as they totally comply with the above guideline. But this has been refused as admin say my events are socials. This is what confuses me. I have organised events in a lovely hotel, with a 4 course dinner (which is all members pay for at cost) and entertainment, totally non playing in the actual event, but of course what people do in their booked rooms is up to them.
To this day I don't know what the difference is - is it that a social can be in the back room of a pub or function room, which members pay admission to gain entrance, and there is NO play - or is there PLAY allowed? - I have seen this on one occasion and it certainly wasnt a non-profit making event in my opinion (simple maths and all that!!) and was certainly encouraging play in a separate area of the venue.
If this is the case then what is a MUNCH? Please dont direct me back to the munch guidlines, as I have read them many times, and they still baffle me when it comes to the difference between a social and a munch.
Any light on this subject would be much appreciated.
Goldsmith
xx
Sex God
basically a munch is for 'active' sh members only and a social can be for banned members and members of another site and also non swingers etc
Quote by Sara_2006
basically a munch is for 'active' sh members only and a social can be for banned members and members of another site and also non swingers etc
I like your version better :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
I did forget Munches are for active members to meet people that talk to on site. By active, I mean regular users and not those that only log in once a year.
Sex God
also if something untoward happens at a munch there are consequences relating to membership that are not covered by social gathering due to the fact that there should only be sh members attending
Quote by Sara_2006
basically a munch is for 'active' sh members only and a social can be for banned members and members of another site and also non swingers etc
Thanks for that Sara, it makes it much clearer now. And it also confirms that my socials are munches as they are always and exclusively for active sh members.
I will bear that in mind next time, when I want to have my event stickied as munches lol.
Love
Goldsmith
xx
Sex God
Quote by Freckledbird
When is a SOCIAL classed as a swingers party??
Is it possible for a social to also have areas where guests can play if they want to take things further??
I think so
As far as i'm concerned, socials is where the emphasis is put on getting the atmosphere right ...
Decent music, good lighting (not too dark), plenty of seating, a large supply of non alcoholic drinks and a smidging of alcohol, a dance-floor and a well managed guest list with a good ratio of fems : men (no1 wants a cattle market scenario) ...
What else do other members think makes a good social? ...
And what changes a social into a swingers party?? ...
People swinging.
Once people start doing anything sexual, it's no longer just a social. In my opinion.
Agreed.
:thumbup:
*lover*
Sex God
Quote by goldsmith
basically a munch is for 'active' sh members only and a social can be for banned members and members of another site and also non swingers etc
Thanks for that Sara, it makes it much clearer now. And it also confirms that my socials are munches as they are always and exclusively for active sh members.
I will bear that in mind next time, when I want to have my event stickied as munches lol.
Love
perhaps something also to bear in mind that you can not restrict numbers unless it is for the venue ie no restricting the number of single males to balance out the numbers. a munch is open on a first come first served basis and the only restriction should be on the venue only allowing say 80 people
Goldsmith
xx
Sex God
Quote by Sara_2006
basically a munch is for 'active' sh members only and a social can be for banned members and members of another site and also non swingers etc
Thanks for that Sara, it makes it much clearer now. And it also confirms that my socials are munches as they are always and exclusively for active sh members.
I will bear that in mind next time, when I want to have my event stickied as munches lol.
Love
Goldsmith
xxperhaps something also to bear in mind that you can not restrict numbers unless it is for the venue ie no restricting the number of single males to balance out the numbers. a munch is open on a first come first served basis and the only restriction should be on the venue only allowing say 80 people
If it's a munch (and therefore a no-play event), it shouldn't matter what the ratio is anyway.
As an aside, I don't see how events like socials or munches can take place in swing clubs - it's a swinging environment so straight away there's the possibility of play.
Sex God
From 'what is a munch':
'A munch is a purely social event held in a totally neutral environment'
So by that definition, Goldsmith's dinners in an hotel could, I suppose, be classed as a munch, as long as they are open to all members with no restrictions on types of member, ie. single males. You can't have a munch and say 'couples only', for example.
In my opinion, a club, be it naturist or swinging club, is not a totally neutral environment. Plus the fact that there are unlikely to be SH members only in attendance. So, you could organise a social there and people would be aware of that, and that there could also be play in the venue. To me though, the fact that it's an adult venue means it's not a social.
'A munch is a purely social event held in a totally neutral environment'
So by that definition, Goldsmith's dinners in an hotel could, I suppose, be classed as a munch, as long as they are open to all members with no restrictions on types of member, ie. single males. You can't have a munch and say 'couples only', for example.
In my opinion, a club, be it naturist or swinging club, is not a totally neutral environment. Plus the fact that there are unlikely to be SH members only in attendance. So, you could organise a social there and people would be aware of that, and that there could also be play in the venue. To me though, the fact that it's an adult venue means it's not a social.
Sex God
Quote by Freckledbird
basically a munch is for 'active' sh members only and a social can be for banned members and members of another site and also non swingers etc
Thanks for that Sara, it makes it much clearer now. And it also confirms that my socials are munches as they are always and exclusively for active sh members.
I will bear that in mind next time, when I want to have my event stickied as munches lol.
Love
Goldsmith
xxperhaps something also to bear in mind that you can not restrict numbers unless it is for the venue ie no restricting the number of single males to balance out the numbers. a munch is open on a first come first served basis and the only restriction should be on the venue only allowing say 80 people
If it's a munch (and therefore a no-play event), it shouldn't matter what the ratio is anyway.
As an aside, I don't see how events like socials or munches can take place in swing clubs - it's a swinging environment so straight away there's the possibility of play.
so true freck a social should not really involve play of any sort and a munch defiantly should not and if any is seen then should be reported and then they will have to face the consequences of the possibility of ejection from the venue and possibly their profile banned off the site. these rules are there to safeguard the members who do not want the pressure of play and if a social is held at a club then this pressure is there.
any after social/munch parties are not governed by the same rules but should be held in a different environment than the social/munch.
the restriction i was talking about was simply for a munch as the rules state that a munch is open to all active members so an organiser can not restrict the number simply on the fact that more single males want to attend than couples
Quote by Freckledbird
From 'what is a munch':
'A munch is a purely social event held in a totally neutral environment'
So by that definition, Goldsmith's dinners in an hotel could, I suppose, be classed as a munch, as long as they are open to all members with no restrictions on types of member, ie. single males. You can't have a munch and say 'couples only', for example.
Exactly my point, at my event, everyone was welcome, we had singles, couples, CD's etc there and all were sh members, and it wasnt a playing environment, but it was deemed not to be classed as a munch, which would have been nice as it could have been stickied. I did wonder why at the time, but was told that it wasnt so.
I feel much better now its clearer. Thanks xx
Goldsmith
xx
Sex God
Quote by goldsmith
From 'what is a munch':
'A munch is a purely social event held in a totally neutral environment'
So by that definition, Goldsmith's dinners in an hotel could, I suppose, be classed as a munch, as long as they are open to all members with no restrictions on types of member, ie. single males. You can't have a munch and say 'couples only', for example.
Exactly my point, at my event, everyone was welcome, we had singles, couples, CD's etc there and all were sh members, and it wasnt a playing environment, but it was deemed not to be classed as a munch, which would have been nice as it could have been stickied. I did wonder why at the time, but was told that it wasnt so.
I feel much better now its clearer. Thanks xx
Goldsmith
xx
can I also chime in for two seconds as well.... just as i have looked at what you propsed for your socials... I would also consider then socials for a few reasons....
maybe it is me... but organising a munch is a huge task (trust me... been there, done it, not really keen to do it again also i keep being asked!! lol )
a few things i would consider... your last social only gave people 10 days notice, and when you put up the original list there were already pre-ordained names on it....
another is cost... your socials are much more expensive than munches are
when you see the likes of leeds (which had 150 people there... and wigan (which already has 170 names of people wanting to go) this things are organised months in advance.... giving people time to arrange things like travel, hotels, childcare ect ect....... and are always first come first serve...
people will come from all across the country to support a munch..... a few of the southern ones have been hijacked by northerners all coming down... lol
not knocking what you do at all... and i encourage that you keep doing it, one of my biggest sh regrets is that i missed a medieval social banquet they had a few years ago.. and that is probably the closest i can relate yours too...
I wish you would put your name down for one of those see how the rest of us live so to speak... maybe then you would have more people put your name down for yours....
sean xxxx
Quote by fabio
From 'what is a munch':
'A munch is a purely social event held in a totally neutral environment'
So by that definition, Goldsmith's dinners in an hotel could, I suppose, be classed as a munch, as long as they are open to all members with no restrictions on types of member, ie. single males. You can't have a munch and say 'couples only', for example.
Exactly my point, at my event, everyone was welcome, we had singles, couples, CD's etc there and all were sh members, and it wasnt a playing environment, but it was deemed not to be classed as a munch, which would have been nice as it could have been stickied. I did wonder why at the time, but was told that it wasnt so.
I feel much better now its clearer. Thanks xx
Goldsmith
xx
can I also chime in for two seconds as well.... just as i have looked at what you propsed for your socials... I would also consider then socials for a few reasons....
maybe it is me... but organising a munch is a huge task (trust me... been there, done it, not really keen to do it again also i keep being asked!! lol )
a few things i would consider... your last social only gave people 10 days notice, and when you put up the original list there were already pre-ordained names on it....
another is cost... your socials are much more expensive than munches are
when you see the likes of leeds (which had 150 people there... and wigan (which already has 170 names of people wanting to go) this things are organised months in advance.... giving people time to arrange things like travel, hotels, childcare ect ect....... and are always first come first serve...
people will come from all across the country to support a munch..... a few of the southern ones have been hijacked by northerners all coming down... lol
not knocking what you do at all... and i encourage that you keep doing it, one of my biggest sh regrets is that i missed a medieval social banquet they had a few years ago.. and that is probably the closest i can relate yours too...
I wish you would put your name down for one of those see how the rest of us live so to speak... maybe then you would have more people put your name down for yours....
sean xxxx
Well thanks for that! I am so glad you put me right on how to organise events. You might be interested to know that part of our work is event promotion and organisation (that's festivals, concerts, tours, carnivals, weddings etc) from start to finish, and I do realise how much work goes into any event.
The ‘pre-ordained’ list was the list that had been put together by me from people who had actually asked me when the next social was going to be and could they please come. The social wasn’t planned months in advance, and it was put onto the forum as soon as the date was agreed with the hotel.
As to 'how the rest of you live' do you think I live on the moon? I have been to other socials/munches and that is why I tend to organise my own (read into that what you wish).
I know there are some really nice socials and munches organised, and the main reason we don’t go to them is because we are usually working as most of our work is done at the weekends.
With regard to the cost of my socials making it not a munch - what the hell difference does it make - this event at the hotel was a four course meal for - which I think is a very good deal - you get what you pay for mostly in this life. If people want something a little special, then it has to be paid for. I will stress that not one penny profit was made from any of my socials, the hotel charged £15 for the meal per head, which is what people paid. There was also entertainment, which I covered, and there was also a lot of time, effort and cost to the event, which I covered.
I think we have already established the difference between a munch and a social, and my hotel event was certainly within the guidelines of a munch even though it was a bit more expensive - a car is a car whether it’s a BMW or a mini.
Goldsmith
xx
Quote by goldsmith
With regard to the cost of my socials making it not a munch - what the hell difference does it make - this event at the hotel was a four course meal for - which I think is a very good deal - you get what you pay for mostly in this life. If people want something a little special, then it has to be paid for. I will stress that not one penny profit was made from any of my socials, the hotel charged £15 for the meal per head, which is what people paid. There was also entertainment, which I covered, and there was also a lot of time, effort and cost to the event, which I covered.
I'm going to pick up on the cost purely on a personal note.
The fact it is only £15 a person, means £30 a couple which is just too much for many. Specially when most munches are less than a person. With Wigan being donation only, you don't even have to pay that much
In fact, I could drive to many munches or socials, pay for most of my drinks and the 'donation' or small charge for many socials or munches for less that than.
Sometimes for me, and for others, cost plays a very important part, specially if I want to attend a few socials. I'd prefer to spend less and go to more events :?
I couldn't afford to go spending that amount of money short notice, plus sort child care and possibly buy something to wear :?
So for me personally, I can book something like the Wigan munch knowing how much I need to save, which is very little, have loads of time to find child cover and find something at a decent price to wear.
Still on a personal note, I don't want to sit at a table to eat a meal at a social. I prefer to wander round a room talking to loads of people which to me is the whole reason for going. If another member is way down the room on another table, its not easy to have a conversation. Its about meeting others, not sitting down for something to eat.
Munches are for all members and the way I see it is that your socials are too expensive for many people to consider :?
Quote by goldsmith
From 'what is a munch':
'A munch is a purely social event held in a totally neutral environment'
So by that definition, Goldsmith's dinners in an hotel could, I suppose, be classed as a munch, as long as they are open to all members with no restrictions on types of member, ie. single males. You can't have a munch and say 'couples only', for example.
Exactly my point, at my event, everyone was welcome, we had singles, couples, CD's etc there and all were sh members, and it wasnt a playing environment, but it was deemed not to be classed as a munch, which would have been nice as it could have been stickied. I did wonder why at the time, but was told that it wasnt so.
I feel much better now its clearer. Thanks xx
Goldsmith
xx
can I also chime in for two seconds as well.... just as i have looked at what you propsed for your socials... I would also consider then socials for a few reasons....
maybe it is me... but organising a munch is a huge task (trust me... been there, done it, not really keen to do it again also i keep being asked!! lol )
a few things i would consider... your last social only gave people 10 days notice, and when you put up the original list there were already pre-ordained names on it....
another is cost... your socials are much more expensive than munches are
when you see the likes of leeds (which had 150 people there... and wigan (which already has 170 names of people wanting to go) this things are organised months in advance.... giving people time to arrange things like travel, hotels, childcare ect ect....... and are always first come first serve...
people will come from all across the country to support a munch..... a few of the southern ones have been hijacked by northerners all coming down... lol
not knocking what you do at all... and i encourage that you keep doing it, one of my biggest sh regrets is that i missed a medieval social banquet they had a few years ago.. and that is probably the closest i can relate yours too...
I wish you would put your name down for one of those see how the rest of us live so to speak... maybe then you would have more people put your name down for yours....
sean xxxx
Well thanks for that! I am so glad you put me right on how to organise events. You might be interested to know that part of our work is event promotion and organisation (that's festivals, concerts, tours, carnivals, weddings etc) from start to finish, and I do realise how much work goes into any event.
The ‘pre-ordained’ list was the list that had been put together by me from people who had actually asked me when the next social was going to be and could they please come. The social wasn’t planned months in advance, and it was put onto the forum as soon as the date was agreed with the hotel.
As to 'how the rest of you live' do you think I live on the moon? I have been to other socials/munches and that is why I tend to organise my own (read into that what you wish).
I know there are some really nice socials and munches organised, and the main reason we don’t go to them is because we are usually working as most of our work is done at the weekends.
With regard to the cost of my socials making it not a munch - what the hell difference does it make - this event at the hotel was a four course meal for - which I think is a very good deal - you get what you pay for mostly in this life. If people want something a little special, then it has to be paid for. I will stress that not one penny profit was made from any of my socials, the hotel charged £15 for the meal per head, which is what people paid. There was also entertainment, which I covered, and there was also a lot of time, effort and cost to the event, which I covered.
I think we have already established the difference between a munch and a social, and my hotel event was certainly within the guidelines of a munch even though it was a bit more expensive - a car is a car whether it’s a BMW or a mini.
Goldsmith
xx
I had to butt in. I'm like that. Goldsmith, I'm not sure that just because your "do" differed from the usual munch scenario it shouldn't be called a munch- at least not if that's the only reason. If it fits the stated criteria, but just doesn't sit right with admin, then perhaps admin should rewrite the guidelines.
However, I am sure that you just recieved some sound advice from someone trying to help- and doing so as politely and encouragingly as possible- and in return were bloody rude.
Everybody to there own I personally would prefer a nice meal and pleasant chat in nice surroundings and I dont think cost should come into it for a reason on what it is called. Personally I think it is another one of SH petty rules doesnt matter whether it is a "munch" or a "social" and the price shouldnt come into it as this is a personal matter. You look at whats on offer and you makes your choice.
Sex God
Quote by AlanStone
Everybody to there own I personally would prefer a nice meal and pleasant chat in nice surroundings and I dont think cost should come into it for a reason on what it is called. Personally I think it is another one of SH petty rules doesnt matter whether it is a "munch" or a "social" and the price shouldnt come into it as this is a personal matter. You look at whats on offer and you makes your choice.
You're right; you look at what's on offer and you make your choice.
However, I don't think that the rules regarding socials and munches are petty.
Sex God
Quote by AlanStone
Not saying the rules are petty in general its just SH saying that is not a munch its a social or vice versa who cares.
Who cares? The people who are members of SH who don't want to socialise with members from other sites? People who may have been banned from here for good reasons and current members don't wish to bump into them.
It's a rule for a reason, not just someone being petty.
Quote by Witchy
From 'what is a munch':
'A munch is a purely social event held in a totally neutral environment'
So by that definition, Goldsmith's dinners in an hotel could, I suppose, be classed as a munch, as long as they are open to all members with no restrictions on types of member, ie. single males. You can't have a munch and say 'couples only', for example.
Exactly my point, at my event, everyone was welcome, we had singles, couples, CD's etc there and all were sh members, and it wasnt a playing environment, but it was deemed not to be classed as a munch, which would have been nice as it could have been stickied. I did wonder why at the time, but was told that it wasnt so.
I feel much better now its clearer. Thanks xx
Goldsmith
xx
can I also chime in for two seconds as well.... just as i have looked at what you propsed for your socials... I would also consider then socials for a few reasons....
maybe it is me... but organising a munch is a huge task (trust me... been there, done it, not really keen to do it again also i keep being asked!! lol )
a few things i would consider... your last social only gave people 10 days notice, and when you put up the original list there were already pre-ordained names on it....
another is cost... your socials are much more expensive than munches are
when you see the likes of leeds (which had 150 people there... and wigan (which already has 170 names of people wanting to go) this things are organised months in advance.... giving people time to arrange things like travel, hotels, childcare ect ect....... and are always first come first serve...
people will come from all across the country to support a munch..... a few of the southern ones have been hijacked by northerners all coming down... lol
not knocking what you do at all... and i encourage that you keep doing it, one of my biggest sh regrets is that i missed a medieval social banquet they had a few years ago.. and that is probably the closest i can relate yours too...
I wish you would put your name down for one of those see how the rest of us live so to speak... maybe then you would have more people put your name down for yours....
sean xxxx
Well thanks for that! I am so glad you put me right on how to organise events. You might be interested to know that part of our work is event promotion and organisation (that's festivals, concerts, tours, carnivals, weddings etc) from start to finish, and I do realise how much work goes into any event.
The ‘pre-ordained’ list was the list that had been put together by me from people who had actually asked me when the next social was going to be and could they please come. The social wasn’t planned months in advance, and it was put onto the forum as soon as the date was agreed with the hotel.
As to 'how the rest of you live' do you think I live on the moon? I have been to other socials/munches and that is why I tend to organise my own (read into that what you wish).
I know there are some really nice socials and munches organised, and the main reason we don’t go to them is because we are usually working as most of our work is done at the weekends.
With regard to the cost of my socials making it not a munch - what the hell difference does it make - this event at the hotel was a four course meal for - which I think is a very good deal - you get what you pay for mostly in this life. If people want something a little special, then it has to be paid for. I will stress that not one penny profit was made from any of my socials, the hotel charged £15 for the meal per head, which is what people paid. There was also entertainment, which I covered, and there was also a lot of time, effort and cost to the event, which I covered.
I think we have already established the difference between a munch and a social, and my hotel event was certainly within the guidelines of a munch even though it was a bit more expensive - a car is a car whether it’s a BMW or a mini.
Goldsmith
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I had to butt in. I'm like that. Goldsmith, I'm not sure that just because your "do" differed from the usual munch scenario it shouldn't be called a munch- at least not if that's the only reason. If it fits the stated criteria, but just doesn't sit right with admin, then perhaps admin should rewrite the guidelines.
However, I am sure that you just recieved some sound advice from someone trying to help- and doing so as politely and encouragingly as possible- and in return were bloody rude.
I wasnt being bloody rude I was just responding to being patronised. I always appreciate sound advice, but being told to see how the rest of you live I thought was a bit much.
I apologise if my response came across as being bloody rude it certainly wasn't meant, I too like to butt in and sometimes things are taken out of context in the written word.
All I did in my first response to the OP was to ask what the difference was between a munch and a social, and now its turned into something else completely.
Basically I do something that most wouldn't want to partake in, or wouldn't want to spend money on. This is no reason not to do it for myself and those who see it as good value.
Goldsmith
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