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Tarty or Slutty - is there a difference?

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I think there is. I have been thinking about this since reading the 'derogatory' thread.
I find it hard to think of 'slut' as anything other than a derogatory term and would never use it. 'Tart', on the other hand, seems more playful and I find it more acceptable as a piece of fun. Sappho and I call each other a tart quite often - though only ever in jest. I don't think I could ever bring myself to call her (or any woman) a slut - even as part of a role play scenario.
I am not passing judgement on anyone who does use it playfully with their partner. If it works for them then that's fine.
Does anyone else think there's a difference?
I would be partiicularly interested to hear what the ladies of the Forum have to say. In my experience, it can be fun for a woman to be 'tarty' - whether that be a way of dressing, a way of behaviour or just 'larking about' - but they wouldn't want to be thought of as a slut as this has other connotations.
What do you think - or am I just too straight laced?
Will
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What do you think - or am I just too straight laced?
Will

As said in the other thread I don't mind being called a slut in the right circumstance's but being called a tart, id knock ya head off lol
Even though, the word tart has only ever been said in jest where I live, ie "are you tarting yourself up tonight". I still would'nt like to be called one confused
The word tart, for me has a slightly different meaning. Although I know what I mean im not sure I could put it into word's at the moment. I shall come back later when ive thought some more :thumbup:
louise xx
What a smart conversation and an good question to ask.
No your not straight laced its your point of view.
Since respecting each others limits and desires is an important part of swinging understanding that some areas are turn offs or off limits is also important.
Personally I dont find either term derogatory however that doesnt mean I am wrong or right or that another individual is wrong or right , in that view its just a position to be taken in context to the definition.
its often interesting that its the external observer who places value judgements on the recipients and creators and then creates their own noise levels to jusitfy their views and remove the rights and privileges of others to express them.
Use of a word, any word, with a lover a partner or a friend would have context and can infer as much respect and honour without degrading the individual but those are measures valued within context of that relationship and cant be judged externally.
Using a word without context with a individual who is not familiar with myself or my partners and friends will lead to conflict and upset so I would be careful how to employ it.
Im probably not explaining it well so I better be prepared to be flamed.
Thanks for asking the question though its a smart one.
I thought you explained that perfectly well.
Curious that some people have opposite views of which of these two can be playful and which seems more insulting. I hadn't thought of the possibility of geographical differences in how the terms are used or received. Interesting.
More comments welcome!
Will
Excellent question Will, and I have to say that I find the term 'slut' to be quite offensive, and even in a very errotic situation, Im not sure I would take it as a compliment. Obviously in a day to day situation I would go mad, but even in the sexual context as Jive referes to above, I dont know if I would be able to feel comfortable with it.
Mr NWC often 'playfully' calls me his little tart (or blonde bimbo) rolleyes and I don't get offended by this, infact, it is a bit of long standing joke between us. My mind relates tart to something nicer than it does with Slut. dunno
During my teenage years (yes I can remember so far back) slut was used by my peer group as an insult, another word for a whore, and in my head, I find it difficult to change this round to a term of endearment which may be used in a loving, erotic manner.
Love the word 'tart' and whenever we use it, it's playfully, it's such a playful sounding word. Even when I've heard people try and use it in a derogatory context, it just doesn't seem to work for me lol
So, during play, when things get taken up a gear, a bit of dirty talk (although not a lot, cos I am totally crap at it), the word 'tart' isn't strong enough for me, it's still too playful.
So then the slut comes in to play cool But I do feel it can be used in a saucy, rather than derogatory way.
For instance, if someone exclaims loudly something like "Urgh, you dirty slut", it would have me recoiling in horror and running off to the nearest celibacy club confused
I do feel it's a strong word, but can be toned down into an incredibly horny one. If something like "ooh (or mmmm or any other groany gutteral type sound :? ) you little slut" is whispered in my ear by someone who's having as much fun as me - then it's a massive turn on (although could also have something to do with the fact someone said 'little' to me :lol: ).
Saying that tho, it's not a word I want to hear everytime I play :? Sparingly it's a turn on, a little bit shocking, but more often then I feel it could turn derogatory and a bit offputting :?
So I s'pose, reading the scenario we're in is a big thing, whether a softer word should be used, or whether the full on slut has come to the fore 8-)
All very sensible responses above. Just one thing to add: tart is increasingly being used to describe a male as well as a female (especially in SH forums and chatrooms), and is almost always used nowadays in a humorous way. Whatever derogatory sense it used to have has now almost been "defused", so I think that makes it very different from slut.
Good topic Will. :thumbup:
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All very sensible responses above. Just one thing to add: tart is increasingly being used to describe a male as well as a female (especially in SH forums and chatrooms), and is almost always used nowadays in a humorous way. Whatever derogatory sense it used to have has now almost been "defused", so I think that makes it very different from slut.
Good topic Will. :thumbup:

Yeah, agree with what Mike says. :thumbup:
Conventionally isn't a "tart" a woman who has sex for money while a "slut" is promiscuous for free?
Tartseems mostly lighthearted these days and slut the more serious word. I suppose intention, context and taste make either derogatory or not.
Being called either is pretty anti-erotic to me - I prefer to be worshipped rather than denigrated!
i prefer dek to call me slut rather than tart but others who dont know me so well i think i would rather be a tart in their eyes bitch however is a word i do not like being called at all i have banned dek from calling me it :shock: again its all in or out of context
I read that "tart" was a shortened form of "sweetheart", funny how the meaning of a word can change over time.
It's useful to know that words have different meanings to different people. Before I joined this site, if anyone had called me a slut, in ANY circumstances, I'd have been devastated.
Being called a "tart" would get a similar reaction,
Now that I know these words can be used in a non-pejorative sense, I'll try not to take offence. Still don't like 'em, though. confused
When I was learning english a tart was a prostitute and a slut was a slovenly ill kempt woman.
Of late I frequently hear women refer to each other jocularly as tarts.
Ive heard and used the term slut as part of sex talk. Its funny but I seem to recall it often used with the "little" modifier.
Seems to me u can say what u like to the right person at the right time.
Aint language a wonderful thing.
On a different view. In the fetish scene the term
slut is readily accepted ,in fact seen as a
compliment and one that usually has to be earned as in my case.
This is something I've thought about toosmile I wondered if it might be a generational thing, being an old fart, but my lady who is less than half my age likes tart enough to include it in her SH nickname. I'm reasonably sure that if I called her a slut, not that I ever would, I'd be singing soprano from that point on :!:
I use tart as a term of endearment or approval and am happy to admit to being a tart myself. I would apologise immediately should anyone show any sign of objecting to my use of the word, and would only call someone a tart if I knew them well enough to be reasonably sure they would take is in the spirit it was meant. Of course I accept that some people are happy with being called slut, and that's great too, but it's not something I'd be comfortable calling anyone.
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On a different view. In the fetish scene the term
slut is readily accepted ,in fact seen as a
compliment and one that usually has to be earned as in my case.
Thanks Ronda. It's always interesting to hear an alternative view.
Not being part of the fetish scene I am very much with Mike North and Unc on this one.
Keep posting folks, some interesting stuff here.
Will
It often depends on the context and setting for such words to be interpreted in a variety of ways.
The tart has generally been seen as an acceptable description of the promiscuous but somewhat charming adventurer.
The slut is the more knowing and opportunistic gold digger, using sex as a tool for various acquisitions.
However its just as easy to turn either view around. Simply by taking a liking for one or the other.
The tart could be condemned for being a gormless panhandler unaware of her sexual incompetence and blundering.
The slut could easily be upgraded as a savvy business operator, with enviable sexual skills.
Mr NWC reliably informs me he has used the term slut when we have been otherwise occupied and when he has used it, I have never reacted badly redface So, it seems I was totally wrong when I said we didnt use it!
However, in a day to day situation, I would be horrified if he called me a slut but if he called me a tart, I would probably slap his arse and tell him he was one as well lol
Just spoken to Sappho (first chance I have had) about this and she does tend to agree that tart is playful but slut is perjorative - won't say more as I would like to think that she will come on here and post for herself (a rare event these days sad ).
Will
PS I looked at rondatheslut's gallery after her post and found some of the pictures extremely erotic. Has she helped to unlock a Dom side of Will that I barely knew existed? Fascinating to have one's horizons extended!
I totally think it is a matter of context and the relationship bewtween the individuals involved in the conversation.
I have been called both terms, and not taken offence and I have been called both and taken offence. It all depended on the person who said it and the situation.
Nola x
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I totally think it is a matter of context and the relationship bewtween the individuals involved in the conversation.
I have been called both terms, and not taken offence and I have been called both and taken offence. It all depended on the person who said it and the situation.
Nola x

See Nola , you said it way better than i did . Thank you.
though im yet to be called a tart ! sigh !
heheh
But yes your spot on and correct as to what I said previously thank you.
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Just spoken to Sappho (first chance I have had) about this and she does tend to agree that tart is playful but slut is perjorative - won't say more as I would like to think that she will come on here and post for herself (a rare event these days sad ).

I'dlike to hear Sappho's views on it. :bounce:
As for me, Choon and I rarely use the terms but there is someone here who refers to me as a soft tart, which I don't mind at all, especially the way he says it.
Yes...would never call any woman, even in the throes of lusty passion a 'slut'....horrible, demeaning term. Tart? If the lady is comfortable with it, again during some sexual liaison, then fine, but I was brought up to show a little respect...old fashioned? Maybe, but I stand by those standards. For me, the best tarts are filled with treacle...!!!
I don't think I'd call anyone intrinsically a tart or a slut. I might say to someone 'Yer a tart!' if they were being particularly flirty or summat.
One other distinction between the two (although not the primary difference) is that somewhow a 'tart' is conscious but a 'slut' can't help themselves. dunno
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but a 'slut' can't help themselves. dunno
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Sorry Mr Choonie redface
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I totally think it is a matter of context and the relationship bewtween the individuals involved in the conversation.
I have been called both terms, and not taken offence and I have been called both and taken offence. It all depended on the person who said it and the situation.
Nola x

See Nola , you said it way better than i did . Thank you.
though im yet to be called a tart ! sigh !
heheh
But yes your spot on and correct as to what I said previously thank you.
Cheers jivedancer!
You see, these things usually make sense in my head... but am not so sure by the time they have travelled from head to keyboard!!
lol
Nola x
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but a 'slut' can't help themselves. dunno
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Sorry Mr Choonie redface
:giggle:
S'awright - I'm beyond help as I'm sure you're aware!
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A very interesting topic and a broad spectrum of views on the use of two words that seem to have such a wide variety of meaning.
As someone who likes to treat the ladies I meet with respect I personally would not have dreamt of calling any of them a slut or a tart either during sex or socially.
However last year I met a lady for a night of fun and during the proceedings she asked me to call her names, including slut, tart and whore.
Not something I am used to and I was the one feeling very uncomfortable about it! She, on the other hand, was getting VERY turned on by it, The more I told her she was being a dirty slut or whore the more excited she got!!
All a matter of taste I suppose.
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I don't think I'd call anyone intrinsically a tart or a slut. I might say to someone 'Yer a tart!' if they were being particularly flirty or summat.
One other distinction between the two (although not the primary difference) is that somewhow a 'tart' is conscious but a 'slut' can't help themselves. dunno
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We were at a party a few years back.
A young guy had been chasing a rather attractive older female around for some time without any success.
Finally he called her a whore, her response was i am not a whore i am a slut. Whats the difference he said,
a whore will fuck with anyone , a slut will fuck with anyone but you was her reply and she walked away.
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I don't think I'd call anyone intrinsically a tart or a slut. I might say to someone 'Yer a tart!' if they were being particularly flirty or summat.
One other distinction between the two (although not the primary difference) is that somewhow a 'tart' is conscious but a 'slut' can't help themselves. dunno
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We were at a party a few years back.
A young guy had been chasing a rather attractive older female around for some time without any success.
Finally he called her a whore, her response was i am not a whore i am a slut. Whats the difference he said,
a whore will fuck with anyone , a slut will fuck with anyone but you was her reply and she walked away.
lol Nice one!
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Quote by rondatheslut
I don't think I'd call anyone intrinsically a tart or a slut. I might say to someone 'Yer a tart!' if they were being particularly flirty or summat.
One other distinction between the two (although not the primary difference) is that somewhow a 'tart' is conscious but a 'slut' can't help themselves. dunno
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We were at a party a few years back.
A young guy had been chasing a rather attractive older female around for some time without any success.
Finally he called her a whore, her response was i am not a whore i am a slut. Whats the difference he said,
a whore will fuck with anyone , a slut will fuck with anyone but you was her reply and she walked away.
worship I would soooooo like to buy that lady a drink!!
I've made a mental note, but I bet I never get a chance to use a line like that.... or if I do, I'll probably be too drunk to remember it!?!
Nola x