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tweeky
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Quote by Ms_Whips
what is wrong with what she said?
whips

If you cant see whats wrong with whats said then dunno
Put it this way, If I were pro abortion the last words I would put in front of abortion would be "Thank God for". God who would be and his followers totally opposed too the act that he was just thanked for.
As for avoiding the questions I simply dont have time to be honest. I dont normally type this much in threads. Thats why I dont do the current affairs forum which is where this belongs as its broadened from what it was originally met to be. In 5 mins I want to meet my friend for some Xbox live action, Ive still another two or three threads to check. I dont have time to do the whole abortion debate on here its far to long winded and utterly pointless.
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Quote by Kaznkev
This is something that I have thought about many times, not having an abortion myself lol, but the actual concept of scraping a live human fetus out of the womb. I have long concluded that abortion should be legal, but regulated. I didn't reach this conclusion lightly as I'm not a great believer in regulations or means testing.
BUT
Why should a perfectly healthy fetus that is very likely to go full term and become another precious life, be removed before he /she ever had the chance to take a breath just because the mother doesn't want it?
People are binning babies for convenience or even cosmetic reasons. Those people who have no real reason not to go full term, should be made to have their babies and give them up for adoption. Perhaps the inconvenience of being pregnant for nine months, plus the heartache of having to bring a new life into the world then be forced to give it up, might make them take the subject of contraception a little more seriously in the future.
ON THE OTHER HAND
If a young girl is pregnant because of some , or a woman because she has been . If there is proof that the baby will be born with some awful disease or horendous mental or physical disability, then surely one should understand why they should be allowed a termination.
ITZ NEVER THAT SIMPLE IS IT?
All cases should be looked at by doctors and midwives, and judged on an individual basis.
BG.

sorry bg but one of the reasons that abortions are so commen in this country is that these"experts"are the last people you should approach.I have a genetic disorder that gives me a very high chance of having a disabled child,not somthing i wass gonns mention here,but hey ho,when the medics discovered i was pregnant again they couldnt wait to get me in and scan me so they could "arrange termination,if necescary",there words,when i said ididnt need extra scans cos no matter what i was carrying the child,i went from being an "interesting case" again there words,to an "irresponsible woman",the fact i knew more about my chromasomnal disorder than they did was irrelevant, i was willing to give birth to a disabled child,and all support was withdrawn.
I was lucky that i alreadt knew the community midwife thru sure start and all my care was able to be given there
Mothers are lied to every day about the health and viablity of their unborn children by the vert people we would expect to protect life,
I'm sorry to hear about that Kaz, there is no way they should have taken that attitude. I meant that they should be on some kind of adudication panel that decides, but only if abortion is requested. I did also mention midwives in this and health visitors are usually (in my experience) both knowlegable and helpfull.
I guess with my views on capital punishment you will be surprised that I'm Pro Life. :0)
nellie1
Sex God
Quote by Ms_Whips
i was refering to danne's part about having campaigned against abortion. that's trying to take away someone else's right to choose what is best for them.
whips

what about the rights of the unborn baby, the human life, that would be taken away ?
i campaigned for the right of the new human life, the unborn baby, to live
i supose peoples view point depends on whether they think the woman has all the rights and choices and the unborn baby has none
i have also campaigned for women to have more help when pregnant in circumstances that make it difficult for them to cope with having a baby
sorry if you dont like my views but i will never alter them
i respect your views but i dont agree with them
Dirtygirly
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Thank God for the right to offend people........treasure it you may not have it much longer
Oh and abortion is for the individual concerned to decide no-one else....no-one has the right to impose any kind of quasi religious bull on anyone else

This! :thumbup:
As for the abortion debate... I'm all for the right to choose and not be judged. :mrgreen:
tweeky
Sex God
Quote by Dirtygirly
I'm all for the right to choose and not be judged. :mrgreen:

Impossible in any situation, people will always judge you by your decisions.
tweeky
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Quote by Ms_Whips
i was refering to danne's part about having campaigned against abortion. that's trying to take away someone else's right to choose what is best for them.
whips

what about the rights of the unborn baby, the human life, that would be taken away ?
i campaigned for the right of the new human life, the unborn baby, to live
i supose peoples view point depends on whether they think the woman has all the rights and choices and the unborn baby has none
i have also campaigned for women to have more help when pregnant in circumstances that make it difficult for them to cope with having a baby
sorry if you dont like my views but i will never alter them
i respect your views but i dont agree with them
i don't mind at all that you disagree with me danne. the thing is that deciding when life is actually life is difficult. cells are just cells i'm affraid. i'm no medic and so i can't say when a bunch of cells becomes a viable living person. hence why i said that i think the limit should be looked at.
for me i think it's much better for the woman to have the right to choose. her welfare has to be considered. the detriment it may cause her and an unwanted child can't be worth a forced pregnancy.
whips
I do know that when a Fetus reaches the age that it needs to be vacuum extracted it is known that the fetus deliberately moves away from the Vacuum. Thats a survival instinct and a choice to decide to live all be it futile. To me that says you kill it against its will which changes things significantly in my eyes.
Dirtygirly
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Quote by tweeky
I'm all for the right to choose and not be judged. :mrgreen:

Impossible in any situation, people will always judge you by your decisions.
Thankfully not the people who matter in my life! :thumbup:
Strangers don't matter! wink
Unknown User
Quote by tweeky
i was refering to danne's part about having campaigned against abortion. that's trying to take away someone else's right to choose what is best for them.
whips

what about the rights of the unborn baby, the human life, that would be taken away ?
i campaigned for the right of the new human life, the unborn baby, to live
i supose peoples view point depends on whether they think the woman has all the rights and choices and the unborn baby has none
i have also campaigned for women to have more help when pregnant in circumstances that make it difficult for them to cope with having a baby
sorry if you dont like my views but i will never alter them
i respect your views but i dont agree with them
i don't mind at all that you disagree with me danne. the thing is that deciding when life is actually life is difficult. cells are just cells i'm affraid. i'm no medic and so i can't say when a bunch of cells becomes a viable living person. hence why i said that i think the limit should be looked at.
for me i think it's much better for the woman to have the right to choose. her welfare has to be considered. the detriment it may cause her and an unwanted child can't be worth a forced pregnancy.
whips
I do know that when a Fetus reaches the age that it needs to be vacuum extracted it is known that the fetus deliberately moves away from the Vacuum. Thats a survival instinct and a choice to decide to live all be it futile. To me that says you kill it against its will which changes things significantly in my eyes.
Absolutely, and while we have adults here suffering from very long drawn out terminal illnesses denied the right to chose how they end there lives, these healthy unborn babies are being murdered. It doesn't matter whether it is legal or not, it is still murder, and I'm guessing there are a lot of delicate consciences out there, a lot of people regretting what they have done. Of course their will always be the "it's my body I'll do what I like with it" brigade, I'll be seeing them later, in hell.
meat2pleaseu
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Quote by BrightonGeezer
Of course their will always be the "it's my body I'll do what I like with it" brigade

yep, we're the ones who have to put up with the self righteous 'this is my opinion and i'll force it down the throats of the rest of the planet' brigade rolleyes
Dirtygirly
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Quote by BrightonGeezer
Absolutely, and while we have adults here suffering from very long drawn out terminal illnesses denied the right to chose how they end there lives, these healthy unborn babies are being murdered. It doesn't matter whether it is legal or not, it is still murder, and I'm guessing there are a lot of delicate consciences out there, a lot of people regretting what they have done. Of course their will always be the "it's my body I'll do what I like with it" brigade, I'll be seeing them later, in hell.

Good grief! :shock:
Where to start? lol
While we're all entitled to our opinions... I think you'll find it does matter whether it's legal or not. If it wasn't legal it would be murder. It is legal therefore it's not murder, regardless of your views on abortion.
If I were ever to find myself in that situation, it would be MY choice and MY choice alone. If I were in a relationship then it would be the choice of myself and my partner. A decision I would not take lightly, however if abortion was the right decision for me then I would have no 'delicate conscience' over something the size of a peanut. To bring a child into the world when you aren't financially or emotionally capable to care for it is irresponsible and selfish. There are millions of children already looking for a decent home, to bring yet another unwanted child into the world and give it up for adoption would fill me with a lifetime of regret.
MY choice. Out there for people to be offended by. I don't run a brothel nor am I on TV but its out there and people will be offended. Too bad. We're entitled to free speech and in actual fact I'm appalled by some of the comments in this thread but you're all entitled to free speech too so that's something I'll just have to live with. Just as you should. :mrgreen:
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Abortion in extreme cases is warranted, but the mere fact the prospective father has no choice in any decision is what makes abortion so wrong.
We’re pretty sure there’s a huge percentage of fathers out there who didn’t want to be fathers but had no choice when contraception failed, yet us ladies can pick and choose for us and them in the blink of an eyelid.
For all the people out there who are pro abortion, we’d hedge a bet your views might change if the potential father had a say as to whether they wanted a child or not.
Back to the OP: That was certainly a stupid comment she made on live television, knowing full well she’d be doing so to a mixed audience, if your going to laugh at others beliefs then don’t do it in public, especially on live TV, if it was a man bragging about sleeping around with women then saying thank god for abortion, your replies on this thread would have been somewhat different we’d guess.
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Quote by Dirtygirly

Absolutely, and while we have adults here suffering from very long drawn out terminal illnesses denied the right to chose how they end there lives, these healthy unborn babies are being murdered. It doesn't matter whether it is legal or not, it is still murder, and I'm guessing there are a lot of delicate consciences out there, a lot of people regretting what they have done. Of course their will always be the "it's my body I'll do what I like with it" brigade, I'll be seeing them later, in hell.

Good grief! :shock:
Where to start? lol
While we're all entitled to our opinions... I think you'll find it does matter whether it's legal or not. If it wasn't legal it would be murder. It is legal therefore it's not murder, regardless of your views on abortion.
If I were ever to find myself in that situation, it would be MY choice and MY choice alone. If I were in a relationship then it would be the choice of myself and my partner. A decision I would not take lightly, however if abortion was the right decision for me then I would have no 'delicate conscience' over something the size of a peanut. To bring a child into the world when you aren't financially or emotionally capable to care for it is irresponsible and selfish. There are millions of children already looking for a decent home, to bring yet another unwanted child into the world and give it up for adoption would fill me with a lifetime of regret.
MY choice. Out there for people to be offended by. I don't run a brothel nor am I on TV but its out there and people will be offended. Too bad. We're entitled to free speech and in actual fact I'm appalled by some of the comments in this thread but you're all entitled to free speech too so that's something I'll just have to live with. Just as you should. :mrgreen:
We are all entitled to our opinions, but I think you will find that there are many people out there unable to conceive who would really love to adopt a baby, and they would love it and bring it up as their own.
IMHO the amount of older children that are often ignored when it comes to adoption have my deepest sympathy, but those who want babies only want babies and those that end up a mess in a bucket could have been their bundle of joy.
Dirtygirly
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Quote by BrightonGeezer
We are all entitled to our opinions, but I think you will find that there are many people out there unable to conceive who would really love to adopt a baby, and they would love it and bring it up as their own.
IMHO the amount of older children that are often ignored when it comes to adoption have my deepest sympathy, but those who want babies only want babies and those that end up a mess in a bucket could have been their bundle of joy.

I'm not sure I can think of a suitable response to that so I'm going to bow out and leave you to your humble opinion! wink
But I will say that I would think of myself and my unborn peanut over and above anyone else, without exception. Not something I'll apologise for.
Unknown User
everyone always has an opionion to announce and then it turns into a debate where someone takes offence!
Abortion is down to the individual for sure, there are do gooders that think its wrong but on the other hand these do gooders are the first to attack if this woman has the baby and ends up on benefits then they start the whole i go to work to pay for these kids!
We live our lives in judgement of someone every day and there is always something to debate for sure.
I am catholic however I quit my faith when my first husband committed suicide and when i met someone after that he turned out to be a total waste of space, as a catholic i should be against even the thought of abortion however, i truely believe its a freedom of choice to our own bodies.
If we choose to rid of unwanted pregnancy then so be it.
duncanlondon
Sex God
Abortion and/or contraception simply lessen the burden and responsibility of choice, as they offer a way of avoiding the following:
The first choice is to avoid pregnancy by abstaining from sex.
The second is to attempt a diy abortion, the last to choose murder or abandonment of a child. The latter were quite common at one time. All are tougher decisions or resolutions to make.
So quite often the idea of having or making a choice is already done for you.
tweeky
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
Abortion in extreme cases is warranted, but the mere fact the prospective father has no choice in any decision is what makes abortion so wrong.
We’re pretty sure there’s a huge percentage of fathers out there who didn’t want to be fathers but had no choice when contraception failed, yet us ladies can pick and choose for us and them in the blink of an eyelid.
For all the people out there who are pro abortion, we’d hedge a bet your views might change if the potential father had a say as to whether they wanted a child or not.
Back to the OP: That was certainly a stupid comment she made on live television, knowing full well she’d be doing so to a mixed audience, if your going to laugh at others beliefs then don’t do it in public, especially on live TV, if it was a man bragging about sleeping around with women then saying thank god for abortion, your replies on this thread would have been somewhat different we’d guess.

your comment is valid. however, as always there are always the oposites too. like in my case. i only had my son because his father promised he would help, that having a baby wouldn't take away what i wanted. he also told me that if i ever had an abortion we would be over. i was so in love with him that i had my son because of what he said. although i love my son very much now it was the worst thing i could have done. he didn't help me and i gave up my life to be something i never wanted in the first place. i spent six years of my son's life torn between being a protective mother and riddled with guilt for the regret i felt, depressed and angry. the resentment i also felt towards my ex-husband was awful too. to give someone else what they want at the expence of your own life and feelings has horrendous consequences.
for the anti-abortionists, before judging anyone who is pro-abortion you should try walking in the shoes of those who live with the choices they have had to make!
whips
Whips,That is an amzingly honest and moving story kiss
This is why i dont believe in banning abortion,banning anything tends to lead to consequences we had not considered.
And at my Mrs Tweekys work we have the exact opposite. The girl who aborted her baby as her boyfriend already had a child with his ex partner. That child had some kind of attention disorder and was a nightmare to look after therefore the boyfriend did not want any more children. Although she really wanted the baby she aborted it for the sake of the relationship. She was obviously quite traumatized, and 4 months after he left her. Safe to say shes not in a great way and now knows all to well the dates it would have been born the date of the anniversary she had the abortion. Who knows when she will be right in mind again.
Mrs Tweeky has a friend who ran away from home with her boyfriend at age 16. Her Mother tracked or more like hunted them down took the daughter home and basically forced her into an abortion for being with this "no good man". 6 months later she was pregnant again with the same man and they now have two children aged around 7 and 9. Funnily enough they now live in a house bought for them buy her Mother who they pay mortgage too but without any interest and they all get on like a house on fire. Funny how peoples opinions change.
My Mother in law many years ago was hidden inside by her mother after if was found she was pregnant. She was pushed into getting an abortion of a baby she wanted to keep. Mrs Tweekys elder sibling is 30 this year but My Mother in law told me she still thinks about that baby now and knows when it would have been born.
So yeh all good for Womans choice, abusive husbands choice, irate mothers choice, Girl under stress and her choice. Its so easy for the manipulated who dont want to end their pregnancy to be forced to keep their mouths shut and sign the paper otherwise when you get home you, wont have a place to live, will get a punch in the mouth, or I'll leave you on your own.
easy
Sex God
Quote by tweeky
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And at my Mrs Tweekys work we have the exact opposite. The girl who aborted her baby as her boyfriend already had a child with his ex partner. That child had some kind of attention disorder and was a nightmare to look after therefore the boyfriend did not want any more children. Although she really wanted the baby she aborted it for the sake of the relationship. She was obviously quite traumatized, and 4 months after he left her. Safe to say shes not in a great way and now knows all to well the dates it would have been born the date of the anniversary she had the abortion. Who knows when she will be right in mind again.
Mrs Tweeky has a friend who ran away from home with her boyfriend at age 16. Her Mother tracked or more like hunted them down took the daughter home and basically forced her into an abortion for being with this "no good man". 6 months later she was pregnant again with the same man and they now have two children aged around 7 and 9. Funnily enough they now live in a house bought for them buy her Mother who they pay mortgage too but without any interest and they all get on like a house on fire. Funny how peoples opinions change.
My Mother in law many years ago was hidden inside by her mother after if was found she was pregnant. She was pushed into getting an abortion of a baby she wanted to keep. Mrs Tweekys elder sibling is 30 this year but My Mother in law told me she still thinks about that baby now and knows when it would have been born.
So yeh all good for Womans choice, abusive husbands choice, irate mothers choice, Girl under stress and her choice. Its so easy for the manipulated who dont want to end their pregnancy to be forced to keep their mouths shut and sign the paper otherwise when you get home you, wont have a place to live, will get a punch in the mouth, or I'll leave you on your own.

All the people you mention in the above descriptions had other choices, but because of fear, decided to go with a path dictated to them. It's the social situation they're in that needs to be addressed in your examples, not the existence of abortion clinics.
Prior to 1967 many women died or were left horribly mutilated after visiting back-street abortionists. If you think that removing clinics would end abortions then I feel you may be deluding yourself.
As a debate I can't see where this one has left to go. People express their views and experiences, for which there are equally compelling views and arguments and nothing moves forwards. To my mind there's one hell of a lot of grey between black and white on this subject.
Perhaps this debate should move towards talking about how our behaviour and actions influence others. How our self-righteousness regarding what is best for others can cloud our objectivity and the drive to do what we think is right can lead to something very wrong (coming close to activating Godwins Law now :lol2: ).