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I have searched the net for an answer but haven`t really found anything of any use.
Where my daughter goes to school parking is a problem as im sure it is in and around most schools at dropping off and picking up times.
Today I parked outside someones house who has paved over their front garden and parked on it. They do not have a dropped kerb. Whilst getting the baby out of the car I was approached by a member of the household asking if I had considered the fact that they might want to remove their car from their garden. I replied saying that the do not have a dropped kerb so do not really have any legal rights in asking me to move. He said I was causing an obstruction and that he could use force to remove my car... :shock: .
I believe that he caused an offence by driving his car over the pavement and that I was leagally allowed to park there.
Can anyone help? Whos right??
if theres no drop kerb then he has broken the law by crossing a footpath.
just googling driveways and the law, i took this from Lewisham council website.
If you need to cross over the footway in order to get your vehicle into your driveway, then you must, by law, have a crossover constructed.
A crossover is an area of lowered pavement and kerbs which is used to give access for vehicles from a road across the pavement and onto a driveway or parking area on a private property.
The crossover must be constructed by the Council's highway maintenance contractor, to the Council's specifications. This is because only qualified contractors are permitted to work on the highway. In this way we can be sure that when crossovers are installed the services that lie under the pavement are not put in jeopardy.
Sorry Lyns, he may be offically and legally in the wrong but I don't think it's very neighbourly to knowingly block someone in. The rest of this post isn't directed at you - honest kiss - it's just this topic is a bit of a bugbear of mine. Both our kids' schools have constant problems with people parking inappropriately and it's only fair we respect the residents and our local community. After all we all live together.
It drives me up the wall the amount of seemingly sensible parents who park on a road within 5 metres of a very busy road, thus causing potentially dangerous incidents when cars turn into this road. Parents that can't be arsed to park and walk and end of blocking in other people or worse ambulances (yes this did happen in our school). Parents that block pavements for pedestrians or buggies to get past. Parents driving too fast in a school area. Parents reversing willy nilly (often without looking properly) and three point turning to save going round the block. Ludicrous around any school but expecially an infant school.
Phew - I shall calm down now.
pink x
It doesnt seem to matter how much parking is or isnt available
we have a school carpark with properly marked out bays, at my kids primary (just outside the school perimete gates) AND the use of another carpark right next to it for parents to use. Happy days you might think....a luxury some people might think,
BUT
the number of parents that park closer and closer to the school gates (outside the designated bays) double or even TREBLE park,
or on the pavement that splits the two carparks, or even in the yellow hatched area marked to be kept clear for emergency vehicular access to the school :shock:, and even drive through the school gates and park in the school driveway (a priviledge thats supposed to be reserved for the parents of disabled kids) is unbelieveable.
all so they dont have to walk a few yards into the school grounds, or so their offspring dont have to.
Mr Bone undertook a user survey of all the people who double and treble parked or parked outside the bays or on the keep clear area, and asked them to their faces why they chose to disregard the rules of the school by parking in such an irresponsible and potentially dangerous way. He pointed out that thye could cause an accident to onew of the school kids who couldnt exit the school properly because of their parking.
The excuses that he got were amazing!!
I dont like her/him to have to far to walk
Its raining/cold/windy
Im late for work and I need to make a phonecall/apply my lipstick
S/Hes late for school
I like to wave them into school
and the best one "I dont CARE about other kids, im only interested in my own"
he also got much abuse for daring to ask people why the didnt use the proper parking spaces in both carparks.
not directed in anyway at you Lyns, you know I loves ya....PS hows that cake coming along??
it seems to be a popular thing now for people turning their front gardens into driveways to park their cars but not getting the kerb lowered by the councils...if i see a parking space regardless of where it is...if the kerb isn't lowered i take the space simple as that...if they couldn't be bothered to get it lowered through the proper channels why should i care if they can't get in or out of their frontgarden.
Inappropriate parking is one of the things that makes me so mad
The law of blocking people in only applies to driveways. So if someone blocks you in on a main road they are legally right to do it. But how thoughtless of people to do that.
Someone done this 3 days on the trot outside our house. They even turned around to our faces and said they were legally right. I phoned the cops to check (not a 999 call) and this person was totally right :shock: . It is legal for them to block us in even when we are parked on a road. The only course of action I had was to call the persons employer and put in a complaint......thank feck for Local Authority workers and spineless managers......and they made sure this person did not block us in again. Through their thoughtless actions we were late for work and our children were late for school.
If you are right or wrong is not the answer.......but were you being considerate of others and their needs.
Dave_Notts
Quote by Mr-Powers
it seems to be a popular thing now for people turning their front gardens into driveways to park their cars but not getting the kerb lowered by the councils...if i see a parking space regardless of where it is...if the kerb isn't lowered i take the space simple as that...if they couldn't be bothered to get it lowered through the proper channels why should i care if they can't get in or out of their frontgarden.

Try that around here and you will find that you have extra go faster stripes down your car, a few less windows and you might be lucky to have an infalted tyre rotflmao
Dave_Notts
He said I was causing an obstruction and that he could use force to remove my car... icon_ .
I believe that he caused an offence by driving his car over the pavement and that I was leagally allowed to park there.

You're quite right- and even if he did have a dropped kerb, he would not have the right to touch your car.
Personally, I wouldn't have parked across someones drive. However- if you, especially with a baby in tow, were not causing a dangerous obstruction, then considering the illegality of his drive I would defend your right to do so, and understand why you did.
We live 100 yards from our primary. It's a street with no pavements, and with parked cars their is only room for one car at a time to get down the street- it's a dead end too.
Hometime is like playing chicken on the M25- if you tuck into the edge, like as not you'll get skimmed/hit by the wing mirrors of impatient inconsiderate assholes. I've now taken, for the safety of my child to walking the 30 second walk straight down the middle of the road- they have to wait.
I know it's childish, but there is a nearby village with a house that fronts the road. It has room for about 3 cars in front. It's not massively busy, but it's just up the road from the chemist so it can be occasionally. They've put three "No parking" signs along the front of their house. Not "Wheelchair access needed, please keep clear" or a polite "please do not park.." just "no parking." I find it bloody arrogant. Guess where I park? innocent
Quote by Dave__Notts
it seems to be a popular thing now for people turning their front gardens into driveways to park their cars but not getting the kerb lowered by the councils...if i see a parking space regardless of where it is...if the kerb isn't lowered i take the space simple as that...if they couldn't be bothered to get it lowered through the proper channels why should i care if they can't get in or out of their frontgarden.

Try that around here and you will find that you have extra go faster stripes down your car, a few less windows and you might be lucky to have an infalted tyre rotflmao
Dave_Notts
then i might just have to return the favour!
Quote by Mr-Powers
it seems to be a popular thing now for people turning their front gardens into driveways to park their cars but not getting the kerb lowered by the councils...if i see a parking space regardless of where it is...if the kerb isn't lowered i take the space simple as that...if they couldn't be bothered to get it lowered through the proper channels why should i care if they can't get in or out of their frontgarden.

Try that around here and you will find that you have extra go faster stripes down your car, a few less windows and you might be lucky to have an infalted tyre rotflmao
Dave_Notts
then i might just have to return the favour!
Oh you can feel free. The neighbours are just adorable. They are really nice and fluffy. You feel free to return their favour.......I'll watch and dial 999 when you feel like you want me to. We can even have a pre-arrnged signal that we could sort out :rotflmao:
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
it seems to be a popular thing now for people turning their front gardens into driveways to park their cars but not getting the kerb lowered by the councils...if i see a parking space regardless of where it is...if the kerb isn't lowered i take the space simple as that...if they couldn't be bothered to get it lowered through the proper channels why should i care if they can't get in or out of their frontgarden.

Try that around here and you will find that you have extra go faster stripes down your car, a few less windows and you might be lucky to have an infalted tyre rotflmao
Dave_Notts
then i might just have to return the favour!
Oh you can feel free. The neighbours are just adorable. They are really nice and fluffy. You feel free to return their favour.......I'll watch and dial 999 when you feel like you want me to. We can even have a pre-arrnged signal that we could sort out :rotflmao:
Dave_Notts
blimey you must live in a right shithole of an area!
Quote by Mr-Powers
it seems to be a popular thing now for people turning their front gardens into driveways to park their cars but not getting the kerb lowered by the councils...if i see a parking space regardless of where it is...if the kerb isn't lowered i take the space simple as that...if they couldn't be bothered to get it lowered through the proper channels why should i care if they can't get in or out of their frontgarden.

Try that around here and you will find that you have extra go faster stripes down your car, a few less windows and you might be lucky to have an infalted tyre rotflmao
Dave_Notts
then i might just have to return the favour!
Oh you can feel free. The neighbours are just adorable. They are really nice and fluffy. You feel free to return their favour.......I'll watch and dial 999 when you feel like you want me to. We can even have a pre-arrnged signal that we could sort out :rotflmao:
Dave_Notts
blimey you must live in a right shithole of an area!
Aw thank you for your kind words about my abode kiss
Dave_Notts
dave, do you live on the same estate as me LOL you could have been describing our street there!!
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dave, do you live on the same estate as me LOL you could have been describing our street there!!

:laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove:
The Nottingham shootings started just outside my house. About 50 meters to be exact. I have had 5 neighbours go down for 95 years, between the lot of them, for having a drugs ring. The flat across the road was the best whore house in town (I have been led to believe)....before it got shut down. The streets roam with gangs and hoodies. This sets a very dismal picture but in the 10 years I have lived here.....apart from the first and last point above.....I was blissfully ignorant of anything happening.
The people are nasty but if you don't bother them they never bother you.
The thing that made me cry with laughter was when Mr Powers said that he would return it in kind to them. If he did then I truly believe that we would be reading of a case exactly the same as what started the death penalty thread.
After all this, am I ashamed where I live. Not at all. Within the comunity there are still good, hard working people who I am proud to call neighbours.
But I still wouldn't block them in. The council worker was very lucky to have blocked me in because I am reasonable........the rest would have reduced the car to a few pieces of broken and twisted metal rotflmao
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
dave, do you live on the same estate as me LOL you could have been describing our street there!!

:laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove:
The Nottingham shootings started just outside my house. About 50 meters to be exact. I have had 5 neighbours go down for 95 years, between the lot of them, for having a drugs ring. The flat across the road was the best whore house in town (I have been led to believe)....before it got shut down. The streets roam with gangs and hoodies. This sets a very dismal picture but in the 10 years I have lived here.....apart from the first and last point above.....I was blissfully ignorant of anything happening.
The people are nasty but if you don't bother them they never bother you.
The thing that made me cry with laughter was when Mr Powers said that he would return it in kind to them. If he did then I truly believe that we would be reading of a case exactly the same as what started the death penalty thread.
After all this, am I ashamed where I live. Not at all. Within the comunity there are still good, hard working people who I am proud to call neighbours.
But I still wouldn't block them in. The council worker was very lucky to have blocked me in because I am reasonable........the rest would have reduced the car to a few pieces of broken and twisted metal rotflmao
Dave_Notts
but how can you be blocking someone in if you are legally parked in the road...if someone has to drive across the pavement and kerb to get to and from their house then they are breaking the law...but considering i live a million miles from were you live...and would only be dealing with yuppies and their chelsea tractors...i think its a safe bet i wouldn't entertain the idea of parking in your street anyway wether i was blocking someone in all not!
Quote by Mr-Powers
dave, do you live on the same estate as me LOL you could have been describing our street there!!

:laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove:
The Nottingham shootings started just outside my house. About 50 meters to be exact. I have had 5 neighbours go down for 95 years, between the lot of them, for having a drugs ring. The flat across the road was the best whore house in town (I have been led to believe)....before it got shut down. The streets roam with gangs and hoodies. This sets a very dismal picture but in the 10 years I have lived here.....apart from the first and last point above.....I was blissfully ignorant of anything happening.
The people are nasty but if you don't bother them they never bother you.
The thing that made me cry with laughter was when Mr Powers said that he would return it in kind to them. If he did then I truly believe that we would be reading of a case exactly the same as what started the death penalty thread.
After all this, am I ashamed where I live. Not at all. Within the comunity there are still good, hard working people who I am proud to call neighbours.
But I still wouldn't block them in. The council worker was very lucky to have blocked me in because I am reasonable........the rest would have reduced the car to a few pieces of broken and twisted metal rotflmao
Dave_Notts
but how can you be blocking someone in if you are legally parked in the road...if someone has to drive across the pavement and kerb to get to and from their house then they are breaking the law...but considering i live a million miles from were you live...and would only be dealing with yuppies and their chelsea tractors...i think its a safe bet i wouldn't entertain the idea of parking in your street anyway wether i was blocking someone in all not!
The person who blocked us in drove up and placed the car across the rear of the cars. Couldn't drive forward as there was a wall in front and their car behind. Therefore I was blocked in.
I could try and draw a picture for you but have no idea how to put it up here.
Hope that helps you to understand.
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
dave, do you live on the same estate as me LOL you could have been describing our street there!!

:laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove:
The Nottingham shootings started just outside my house. About 50 meters to be exact. I have had 5 neighbours go down for 95 years, between the lot of them, for having a drugs ring. The flat across the road was the best whore house in town (I have been led to believe)....before it got shut down. The streets roam with gangs and hoodies. This sets a very dismal picture but in the 10 years I have lived here.....apart from the first and last point above.....I was blissfully ignorant of anything happening.
The people are nasty but if you don't bother them they never bother you.
The thing that made me cry with laughter was when Mr Powers said that he would return it in kind to them. If he did then I truly believe that we would be reading of a case exactly the same as what started the death penalty thread.
After all this, am I ashamed where I live. Not at all. Within the comunity there are still good, hard working people who I am proud to call neighbours.
But I still wouldn't block them in. The council worker was very lucky to have blocked me in because I am reasonable........the rest would have reduced the car to a few pieces of broken and twisted metal rotflmao
Dave_Notts
but how can you be blocking someone in if you are legally parked in the road...if someone has to drive across the pavement and kerb to get to and from their house then they are breaking the law...but considering i live a million miles from were you live...and would only be dealing with yuppies and their chelsea tractors...i think its a safe bet i wouldn't entertain the idea of parking in your street anyway wether i was blocking someone in all not!
The person who blocked us in drove up and placed the car across the rear of the cars. Couldn't drive forward as there was a wall in front and their car behind. Therefore I was blocked in.
I could try and draw a picture for you but have no idea how to put it up here.
Hope that helps you to understand.
Dave_Notts
i've got jumbo crayons if you need them wink
Quote by Mr-Powers
dave, do you live on the same estate as me LOL you could have been describing our street there!!

:laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove:
The Nottingham shootings started just outside my house. About 50 meters to be exact. I have had 5 neighbours go down for 95 years, between the lot of them, for having a drugs ring. The flat across the road was the best whore house in town (I have been led to believe)....before it got shut down. The streets roam with gangs and hoodies. This sets a very dismal picture but in the 10 years I have lived here.....apart from the first and last point above.....I was blissfully ignorant of anything happening.
The people are nasty but if you don't bother them they never bother you.
The thing that made me cry with laughter was when Mr Powers said that he would return it in kind to them. If he did then I truly believe that we would be reading of a case exactly the same as what started the death penalty thread.
After all this, am I ashamed where I live. Not at all. Within the comunity there are still good, hard working people who I am proud to call neighbours.
But I still wouldn't block them in. The council worker was very lucky to have blocked me in because I am reasonable........the rest would have reduced the car to a few pieces of broken and twisted metal rotflmao
Dave_Notts
but how can you be blocking someone in if you are legally parked in the road...if someone has to drive across the pavement and kerb to get to and from their house then they are breaking the law...but considering i live a million miles from were you live...and would only be dealing with yuppies and their chelsea tractors...i think its a safe bet i wouldn't entertain the idea of parking in your street anyway wether i was blocking someone in all not!
The person who blocked us in drove up and placed the car across the rear of the cars. Couldn't drive forward as there was a wall in front and their car behind. Therefore I was blocked in.
I could try and draw a picture for you but have no idea how to put it up here.
Hope that helps you to understand.
Dave_Notts
i've got jumbo crayons if you need them wink
They would just mess up my screen......and you still wouldn't be able to see the picture.
Dave_Notts
The highay code says this:
The Highway Code
“DO NOT PARK in front of an entrance to a property” - Highway Code point 217

Now because its in the highway code dosn't mean it is law.
I just want to say that tbh he has chosen to move to a house by a school knowing full well it will be busy at certain times of the day.......If he really doesnt like it then why live there dunno
I had no choice where i lived and it was right next to a school and yes we had marked parking for our block of flats but parents would always park there....its part of being near a school...not alot you can do about it really....imo its for what 2 hours a day 5 days a week...being a parent myself and not living close to my childs school i do drive and park really close to it but i do always make sure im not being a pain with my parking.
Its all about being polite and having the common sense to be a good person.
I would have done what you did tho...
Quote by goose35
The highay code says this:
The Highway Code
“DO NOT PARK in front of an entrance to a property” - Highway Code point 217

Now because its in the highway code dosn't mean it is law.
It wasn't a legitimate entrance to a driveway of a property anyway though.
Quote by lyns
I have searched the net for an answer but haven`t really found anything of any use.
Where my daughter goes to school parking is a problem as im sure it is in and around most schools at dropping off and picking up times.
Today I parked outside someones house who has paved over their front garden and parked on it. They do not have a dropped kerb. Whilst getting the baby out of the car I was approached by a member of the household asking if I had considered the fact that they might want to remove their car from their garden. I replied saying that the do not have a dropped kerb so do not really have any legal rights in asking me to move. He said I was causing an obstruction and that he could use force to remove my car... :shock: .
I believe that he caused an offence by driving his car over the pavement and that I was leagally allowed to park there.
Can anyone help? Whos right??

This is a difficult one. Yes it is annoying if you live near a school and people park outside your house but, If you dont park on yellow lines, or over someones access, then dont see a problem.
If somebody has opted to park their car in their garden by way of going over the pavement and has not got a drop down kerb, then it is they who are commiting an offence. If you was their neighbour and had just had to pay the local council over 800 quid for your drop down kerb, would you not feel a tad pissed off that someone else is parking their car without paying that charge? The councils make the rules, not the residents. But you would be a tad petty if honest to deliberatly park acroos someones access even if they do not have a drop down kerb.
Its like people who think they have a right to park right outside their house on a public road. Nobody has that right...annoying when you cant but thats life. wink
ohh this is one that got me a while back.
Where i was living once was above my shop and at the back double gates and a court yard, plenty of space to park but the curb was not dropped. I got a large polite notice about not blocking the gates.
Now the road was full of large houses and plenty of cars and not enough parking except me. I started to put some wood across the kerb to get up it, then i got a 4x4 so it never mattered. Only 1 person complained and she lived half way down the street and did not effect her at all, she was just jealous.
She complained to the police, council and my company. When the council visited and I told then that we had applied for the curb to be dropped and it was approved and we were just waiting for it to be done, they just ok dont worry about it carry on.
This of course was red rag to a bull she would make snide comments and complain about anything. One day when I did ring the police and asked them whose car was blocking me in so i could not take wife to work. They told me he had not actually done anything wrong but came anyway, this woman 2 days later came to me and said that i had worried her sick because when she saw the police car park 6 houses away from hers, she thought they were coming to tell her that her daughter had been in an accident, and therefore i had caused her emotional distress :silly:
eventually it was 2 weeks before curb was going to be dropped, and as i was running a local shop i did not want bad publicity so i parked outside just for a break.
2 days later the spare wheel was ripped off the back and cost me £500 mad
No I did not have the right but I followed the rules and got it dropped, she never even brought stuff from me. One of those people that has nothing better to do in thier small lives apart from sticking it in others.
see i think sometimes there should be less interest in what you are allowd to do leagally and more interest in what you should do morally and with courtesy and respect to others.
we live VERY close to a place where public events are held ( not saying where, you might be my neighbours lol) and this place has its own carpark.
now people are too mean to pay the couple of quid to use the carpark and instead take up EVERY inch of road side in our area on the days when there is an event held.
they may have a legal right to park where they like, but it is extremely inconsiderate! it is not nice having to walk half a mile with the kids and shopping to our house because our car had to be parked so far away.
correct, the person in question chose to live in a house near a school, but the parents in question choose to take their kids to a school with a shortage of parking.
maybe i am odd, but i would never chose to inconvenience someone else, just because i had a RIGHT to do so.
Quote by flower411

maybe i am odd, but i would never chose to inconvenience someone else, just because i had a RIGHT to do so.

You are not odd !!
You are a normal considerate person who believes in common courtesy :thumbup:
I do agree and i DO make sure im not in anyone's way....honest :shock:
I totally see what your saying busty and yes both the resident and the parents should be more considerate...sometimes i do think maybe the councils could think where they put the schools in the first place so they can accomadate for all the parking issue's etc...my childs school has no parking for parents at all and we all have to be considerate when choosing to collect our children....the old car park was huge but then it got sold off and a housing estate replaced it.....makes you wonder the logic to it all
I suppose its just one of those things dunno
Im really rubbish at wording my posts lol sorry redface
Quote by well_busty_babe
maybe i am odd, but i would never chose to inconvenience someone else, just because i had a RIGHT to do so.

You're not odd, I wouldn't do it either.
Now I've had a small child and twins and had to leave home half an hour before I should just so I could park safely to get small child to and from school safely and legally. Its tough but I couldn't inconvenience someone else through bad manners and rudeness confused
Quote by lyns
I have searched the net for an answer but haven`t really found anything of any use.
Where my daughter goes to school parking is a problem as im sure it is in and around most schools at dropping off and picking up times.
Today I parked outside someones house who has paved over their front garden and parked on it. They do not have a dropped kerb. Whilst getting the baby out of the car I was approached by a member of the household asking if I had considered the fact that they might want to remove their car from their garden. I replied saying that the do not have a dropped kerb so do not really have any legal rights in asking me to move. He said I was causing an obstruction and that he could use force to remove my car... :shock: .
I believe that he caused an offence by driving his car over the pavement and that I was leagally allowed to park there.
Can anyone help? Whos right??

Technically you may be right, but then again how inconsiderate of you to block in his car. Better would have been to say, "I'm so sorry there's just nowhere to park, might I stay here a couple of minutes while I drop off/pick up the kids"
His action in increasing his parking area also made it more likely that you'd find a place to park since he's taking up less kerb.
you are soo going to get a SLAP in a minute rolleyes
Quote by Mr-Powers
it seems to be a popular thing now for people turning their front gardens into driveways to park their cars but not getting the kerb lowered by the councils...if i see a parking space regardless of where it is...if the kerb isn't lowered i take the space simple as that...if they couldn't be bothered to get it lowered through the proper channels why should i care if they can't get in or out of their frontgarden.
I really have only one comment to make here, and have to be honest I only read the first few posts before my blood started to boil.
Here’s a couple of words that may cause offence
WALK, BUS
dunno
god bless the wee mites they might be eaten by a geru rolleyes
This world would be a much nicer place if arguments like this didnt need to rear their ugly head.
Why cant people let common sense and courtesy prevail?? I cant believe how petty and ignorant some people can be rolleyes
Its pettiness and ignorance such as this that causes arguments and in extreme circumstances, death and all for what?
Its really big and clever to argue about something so petty as parking in front of the kids isnt it? What kind of an example does this set? No wonder some kids grow up with no respect for others when they have role models like this mad :x :x