Sniffle, I will be in the 'other' hotel so ba all on my lonesome... Unless someone wants to sneak me into the bar in the first hotel...
Well, this just about re-affirms why we haven't attended a social gathering off here before - be it a party or a munch.
I personally do not know any of you from adam - there are a few whom I seem to have a nice bit of banter with, and there are a couple of people who'd we'd certainly like to know better......
Seeing the state of some of the threads here recently and looking at what's been said in some of them - well, guess it's made our minds up for us.........
Sorry if its tarring a lot of people with the same brush, but there's enough shit in real life without having to put up with it in the pursuit of "fun".
Don't really care whether people want to jump down my throat about anything that I've said above. After all, we are all entitled to our opinion, and this is a "virtual world"......So, you're likely to only ever see us in the Chatroom (when I'm at work normally lol) or the occaisional message on here
How brave these people are to talk through a third party. Whatever happened to being honest and upfront?
Keep your chin up!
Love
Wilma
x x x x
Sorry you feel that way SXCouple, true it is sad it needed a post like this, but hey it is clearing the air, making people think. In a lot of ways I think this post is showing one of SH's better sides, people coming together. There is a strong sense of community here, some have disagreed with the thread (not so much LC but the concepts discussed) However it is all passing in an adult, open way.
Sometimes these threads descend into personal insults (We are after all human beings) but here things have remained amicable. We have disagreed, but we have discussed like the adults most people are.
In my opinion, if the organiser of a private party doesn't want your company, you are not entitled to an explanation, and you won't like the explanation if you get one, so why sweat it? I haven't been invited to any of these privately arranged things, which indicates to me that this munch is more cliquey than others I've been to, which is disappointing, but do you hear me demanding explanations?
LC already has my thoughts on this, and they'll stay in PM, but i hope this doesn't degenerate into personal argument behind the scenes and bad feeling all round. we want this munch to be a success, and stay as open and friendly as possible? what goes on afterwards is neither here nor there as far as the actual munch goes, and i'd be a little sad to see this have an effect on it.
in defence of Marcuso, if he's organizing the party, and has been asked to act as organiser by others, he's in an impossible position really. i'm making assumptions about who might have done the asking, leaving it to poor Marcuso to handle a tricky situation. just a thought.
neil x x x ;)
I enjoyed meeting and chatting with you at Blue's party LC.
I think you had no other option other than to go public in the Forum with this. Full marks to you.
The only person who needs to feel like shit about this is the one who didn't have the balls to stand up and be counted when they asked for you to be blackballed. I might think better of them if they had the decency to now go on public record about it, (but I doubt they will).
Looking forward to seeing you again at Satin's mate.
been reading this tonight
ok i know i know none of you for adam...and i might come a cross silly on here
but i have seen from this there is alot of friendly people on here...
and i got to admit i agree with what people have said..would you want go to there after-party after they said that,,,stuff the people who dont want you to go..and stuff the people whos in charge of it...you probley was not wanted cause to good looking or somethink.......sorry for butting in like done well to show people how some are so shallow....
but its nice to see how many people think you are a nice person,,that talks for it seif
but if it was me on principle.i make my own munch on that day......
im sure you get on fine...good luck
i am really sorry i am just speachless!.......yep cannot think what to say so i am definitely speechless!
yep i am
heres to ya a very speechless Debbiewebs :gagged:
firstly may i say i have been out of the chatroom for quite a while due to snide comments coming from bi curious male as to "shit i caused" etc etc but as this has now come to light i would like to take this opportunity to have my say, as i have kept qt for long enuff thinkin that it was a one off, which it seems to me that this isnt. A few months back we went thru the same sort of thing with marcuso and as u will see below, i have kept the email which he sent. this was during his time as manager in another swinging community and with reference to a "do" which he was organising. we encountered alot of messing about and me bein me, did say to marcuso exactly what ii thoughjt of him (also as u will see from the email) well i will now post it and let u see for yourselves just what its like :
the first section is his original email sent to me, the second part my reply
Shaz
Stop making your little digs in the comm.
I, for one, am not impressed at all by them. You have a little dig whenever you can, I, however come straight to the point.
You have not, and will never wind me up, so all you are doing is wasting your time. I am an easy going person, who lets sleeping dogs lie. You, however seem to bear a grudge. If you had taken the time to let me explain why you didn't get an invite to the party at my house, instead of going off the deep end and taking things personally, then you will have had things explained to you..................as in the numbers were rising rapidly and the people you mentioned that had already been invited without me meeting them personally
"you were so adamant that no one was going to the party that you had not met previously however we know this also to be a slight deviation in the truth as we know someone very well that is attending that has never met you at all,"
I had already invited those persons, so couldn't really go back on my word as they were already on the invite list.
Anyway, back to the point about you having a dig in the comm.
In 1 of your messages posted on there, you have had a dig at me personally.......ie
"Surely the "host" on the evening should of been able to introduce people etc as star and lisa did with the empire members??? "
If this kind of digging carries on, then I will terminate your membership. PLEASE MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT!!!
The whole swinging scene is supposed to be about people meeting up and making friends etc. Not about having sly digs at people. If you can't find it in yourself to be civil, then please don't post anything. Myself and all the managers want to keep this comm. as happy and successful as it has been, and that doesn't include having an air of unease around the place.
As for me introducing you to everyone, I didn't personally know everyone who was there, and didn't introduce many people to others as most seemed to be doing a pretty good job of it themselves.
Also, Clive introduced himself to me and I found him to be a very amiable guy. You, on the other hand just seemed to want to have a go at me by calling me a "two-faced bastard". I'm sure if you ask anyone in the comm. or in the SH chatroom, you will find no-one that would call me two-faced. This is because I am honest and open with everyone.
As for you arriving "unannounced"
"and would like to apologize for arriving unannounced but what the hell eh, we all like surprises"
If you are not on the invite list for the next one, and you try to get in, you will be turned away at the door. And there will be doormen next time. This applies to everyione, not just you, so don't think I am having a go at you personally. So please don't waste your time and fuel travelling if you are not on the list.
One final word.................If you feel that you would like to copy and paste this e-mail, or forward it on to whoever you want, as you have done in the past, then please feel free to do so. I have said nothing in this mail that I wouldn't say to your face, and feel that I have not said anything at all out of place. If you think I have, then please don't hesitate to let me know which points you think I am being unfair on.
Now can we call a truce and will you stop digging???????
Marcuso
REPLY : firstly to begin with, i had enuff trust in you to forward on personal details ie my fone number (landline) etc with regards to your personal party, i said to you at the time, i thought you was a 2 faced prick and repeated that when YOU approached me at the room meet on saturday, I DID NOT APPROACH YOU!!!! secondly Im was invited to the room meet way back ago by one of the comms managers, arriving unnanounced and saying over the surprises was reference to the people who was shocked by us turning up, nothing to do with you at all. A number of people who we know personally was attending the meeting and was surprised by us being there. We went to bury the hatchett with people who we have had discrepancies with and have been resolved and this person was there and the matter was resolved then.
I have not pasted or copied any of your conversations with me to anyone but as i have been accused of this then i am posting it where it can be openly viewed by members to see what the assist manager is doing. I am doing this as i feel strongly that you have personally threatened me when it has been made blatantly obvious that i wish to have nothing to do with you, as i said to you on saturday night, i have not come here to speak to you and i am now getting threatened with termination of my membership !!!! The same assistant manager who now thinks that clive is an "amiable" guy saw fit to BAN him from the comms over a posting that somebody else made??? surely this is victimisation because we are friends with another couple you decided that you would ban a member for something he had not done nor have any part in whatsoever.
so what we dont get on with you and have no intentions of getting on with you but as regards to taking things personally, then you have done so by comments i have posted in the comms being directed at you ie over the surprises!!! both managers of the comms wer surprised to see us and i personally would waste my time or energy on having digs at you, but your the one saying over personally???
and just to top it all, you are blocked from my messenger as i have no wish to even speak to you as i have already told you on here and face to face so as far as i am concerned i aint got a grudge, ive said what i needed to. so as far as i was concerned i wudnt even waste my storage space on getting at you.
but i am not happy with receiving an email from you to my personal inbox containing threatening and abusive material as copied above, by the way with reference to copying and pasting, you have also done the same in your email so thats about level par aint it !
Perhaps as a learning curve, in future, post munch parties are arranged separately to the actual munch thread and the identities of people attending the party kept "secret" until closer the date.
I do feel for Marcuso .. not an easy position to be put in ..... and I wonder if the person objecting considered anybody elses feelings? Surely they could have set them aside from one evening if they weren't brave enough to tackle the issue head on? There will be may people at the party who may miss LC realising he should have been attending.
Please let's not blow it out of proportion. LC has defended himself admirably and hopefully set things to rest.
Hugs to LC ... he has already had my thoughts and kisses earlier this evening.
Is this not all getting just a little personal.
At the end of the day we have arranged a munch,for meeting and chatting and having fun,we dont want the munch to suffer for this!
Anybody who has spent any appreciable time on the forum will know that LC is one of the really good guys.. I won't go on. I can't profess to know the ins and outs of private party protocol but the way this was done seems very unfortunate and has put another good guy, Marcuso in an awkward position. In Marcuso's position I think I would have said to the perpetrator "Tell LC yourself if you feel that way".
Similarly, I don't think blind retaliation achieves much at all.
Shaz I appreciate your depth of feeling, but LC has avoided any personal comments, I feel that this is his thread. It should not become personal after so much effort to keep it from being that.
Mistakes have been made, I suspect a cloud is over the party now (NOT the munch, we all know the hard work going into that and it will go swimmingly) In future to avoid hurt feelings, and more importantly impact on reputations lets all take on board Calista's idea and try and keep public lists of attendees private unless you are going to stick to it...
This is a very emotive issue but PLEASE do not start flinging personal comments at each other. If the conversation gets too nasty in a personal way one of the mods would be obliged to lock it. As this is LC's thread and a very important one for him, I would be loathed to have to lock it for a reason that was nothing to do with him or directly relating to the issue at hand. PLEASE respect each other and keep the personals to PM.
Thanks
Hi all
Right as me only knowing one side of thius story i can coment fully but from what i know of the organisers they are really nice pll
they have helped and supproted me all the way through the last few months and i will back them all i can.
there must of been a very genuine reason for them to remove LC off the list. other wiswe they would not of done so.
I think it is totally wrong for LC to post a thread like this... which i think is an act of PURE revenge.
if my invite would of be delined i would of asked the reason why and accepted it.
It's interesting how you will all take one person's version of events and accept and honour that without hearing the other side.
I don't think I'm speaking out of turn when I say that Marcuso took on the responsibilty of organising the party - whatever happened.
I understand how LC may feel about this, but he knows damn well who has univited him from the party, so why not speak to them rather than wash his dirty linen in public and get the sympathy vote? This is turning into a bloody witch hunt - you're now forcing into public the people who wanted this kept private and for their own reasons, chose to do taht a certain way - whether you like it or not.
If this was so important and personal to LC - why not confront the organisers yourself?
By banning them from the Munch, I believe you may well have put others in a very awkward postion.
as long as you promise to sneak this thread behind you so STeve_Lincs doesn't see I've not gone for a bath yet :shock:
:lol: :lol:
: i would like to think so and the hosts do a great job in trying to keep it as genuine as they can
