Quote by maidinheavenIf you in anyway accept Neilinleeds argument that property values should count as taxable income you have to accept that any contribution to the household budget is fair game also. You can't have it both ways....
Oh, forgot. Probably lots of things I forgot.
They wanted to know how much my daughter contributed to the household. I said that was a family matter. Mr Smith said it was something they liked to know. "Liked or insisted on?" He said liked. So I refused it. It makes me wonder just how much information they want to keep on file about me.
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Mikki__and__Mike
Over 90 days ago
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This is a fantastic debate and someone should send a link to this thread to the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister. There is a representative cross section of British society in the SH Café and if they want to know what the county thinks they need to eavesdrop on swingers!
I’d like to chuck my two bob’s worth in and tell you the story of two widows, each living alone in a three bedroom end of terrace house. One in a village in Kent, one in a large modern new town. The lady in the new town has a choice of three bus services within a 2 minute walk of her front door. She has a full range of shops for day to day shopping within ten minutes walk and large town centre with everything from John Lewis down just a bus ride away. There is a doctor, Dentist and Pharmacy to hand and one of the bus services passes the local Hospital and library. The streets are brightly lit and although she has no drive there is plenty of on street parking for visitors. Like her counterpart in Kent she has an adequate income made up of state pension, her own pension and the widows portion of her late husbands pension.
The lady in Kent has a bus pass just like her counterpart. The trouble is that there are only two buses in the morning and two in the afternoon she can use it on. There is a village stores which has some fresh produce and there is a paper shop but they are relatively expensive. There is an ASDA less than six miles away but to get there she needs to take two buses, only one of which is covered by her pass. Because the there are so few buses on the timetable and they don’t connect a trip to the supermarket will take up her whole day.
She has poor access to the Doctor, there is no dentist without taking the bus to town, the streets are unlit at night, there is no where to park and the hospital can only be conveniently reached by taxi.
Currently these two ladies are in the same council tax band although they pay different amounts to different local authorities, I know this as the lady in Kent is my neighbour and the new town lady is my Mother. Under Prescott’s latest proposal my neighbour’s council tax band will attract a premium and she will pay more than my Mum. Although she enjoys much less in the way of services she there is a hop garden at the bottom the road and open fields at the top. The new town is classically boring to look at.
This is where the debate began. Council tax and it’s collection is always going to be contentious but this latest flight of fancy by JP seems to assume that pretty surroundings equals wealth and he could not be more wrong.
Ability to pay is a tempting argument, as long as you have a lower ability to pay than those around you. Imagine that you are the best paid among four friends and every time you went out to the pub you had to buy one round it three instead of one round in four. You’d soon look for wealthier friends!!
All pay the same is attractive if you are relatively well paid. It must cost the same to remove the rubbish of a family of four from a small house as it does from a large one, ditto the proportional cost street lighting etc etc. However, these are not negotiable services so some groups will struggle to meet the bill if it was divided in this way.
Flawed as it is the current system of basing the tax on a notional value of the house and making adjustments for occupancy and financial circumstances is probably as fair as you could expect to get.
I’d like to chuck my two bob’s worth in and tell you the story of two widows, each living alone in a three bedroom end of terrace house. One in a village in Kent, one in a large modern new town. The lady in the new town has a choice of three bus services within a 2 minute walk of her front door. She has a full range of shops for day to day shopping within ten minutes walk and large town centre with everything from John Lewis down just a bus ride away. There is a doctor, Dentist and Pharmacy to hand and one of the bus services passes the local Hospital and library. The streets are brightly lit and although she has no drive there is plenty of on street parking for visitors. Like her counterpart in Kent she has an adequate income made up of state pension, her own pension and the widows portion of her late husbands pension.
The lady in Kent has a bus pass just like her counterpart. The trouble is that there are only two buses in the morning and two in the afternoon she can use it on. There is a village stores which has some fresh produce and there is a paper shop but they are relatively expensive. There is an ASDA less than six miles away but to get there she needs to take two buses, only one of which is covered by her pass. Because the there are so few buses on the timetable and they don’t connect a trip to the supermarket will take up her whole day.
She has poor access to the Doctor, there is no dentist without taking the bus to town, the streets are unlit at night, there is no where to park and the hospital can only be conveniently reached by taxi.
Currently these two ladies are in the same council tax band although they pay different amounts to different local authorities, I know this as the lady in Kent is my neighbour and the new town lady is my Mother. Under Prescott’s latest proposal my neighbour’s council tax band will attract a premium and she will pay more than my Mum. Although she enjoys much less in the way of services she there is a hop garden at the bottom the road and open fields at the top. The new town is classically boring to look at.
This is where the debate began. Council tax and it’s collection is always going to be contentious but this latest flight of fancy by JP seems to assume that pretty surroundings equals wealth and he could not be more wrong.
Ability to pay is a tempting argument, as long as you have a lower ability to pay than those around you. Imagine that you are the best paid among four friends and every time you went out to the pub you had to buy one round it three instead of one round in four. You’d soon look for wealthier friends!!
All pay the same is attractive if you are relatively well paid. It must cost the same to remove the rubbish of a family of four from a small house as it does from a large one, ditto the proportional cost street lighting etc etc. However, these are not negotiable services so some groups will struggle to meet the bill if it was divided in this way.
Flawed as it is the current system of basing the tax on a notional value of the house and making adjustments for occupancy and financial circumstances is probably as fair as you could expect to get.
Hi all, we are new to this so came to consult the experts. 
We are going to Charco del Palo in Lanzarote and fancy being a bit exhibitionist in the sand dunes. This will be day time, outdoor, no car. How do we signal to others if we want them to come closer/stay back? How do we know if people want us to come closer to them? All help/advice gratfully recieved.
We are going to Charco del Palo in Lanzarote and fancy being a bit exhibitionist in the sand dunes. This will be day time, outdoor, no car. How do we signal to others if we want them to come closer/stay back? How do we know if people want us to come closer to them? All help/advice gratfully recieved. 