Anybody that knows me will say I am a gentle type of person who wishes ill to nobody.
I don't like arguing and prefer to go through life with a smile on my face and laughter in my heart. They may also tell you that I can be like a terrier with a bone if I think something is wrong.
Sadly, something is going on that makes smiling difficult.
Here's the situation.....
I say, "Black is Black and White is White".. (Or any other obvious statement)
Somebody then says "How dare you say that Pink is Green?"
I comment that I never said any such thing and ask for proof.
None is forthcoming.
What I get next is mail saying I have done this or I have done that. (No proof, of course) along with a message saying that my PMs will now be returned unread as I am on a blocked list.
The thing is that I now feel so frustrated at not being able to answer the points raised.
ARGHHHHHHHHHH!!!
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Well, it looks as though I may have to miss this, and any other future meets.
I seem to have muckied my ticket with some of the people up here in the north so to avoid creating any kind of atmosphere at the meet, I will bow out of it.
I thank you for the initial invite and hope the party goes well.
Steve
I seem to have muckied my ticket with some of the people up here in the north so to avoid creating any kind of atmosphere at the meet, I will bow out of it.
I thank you for the initial invite and hope the party goes well.
Steve
Quote by JudyTV
Parrot, being as you are outside of the gay/bi and trans-world and by your own admission to me last Thursday night that was your first venture into the Gay Village I would expect you will have been somewhat insulated and detached from what is said and done by those inside that world and what is generally accepted within it. Taking this into account I have some difficulty in seeing how or what you base your original posting on , I can assure you it is discussed within that community both within the gay/bi publications and amongst the groups and web sites too.
If he is here without the intention to meet anyone then his being here is again questionable in my opinion. There are other sites that will fulfill social needs so social reasons does not really hold water.
With regard to telling everyone about all our social activities and about us being who and what we are is about as wise as using an outside toilet on a Jumbo Jet.
Judy
That was a very good post, Judy, and well written but the above points need an answer, I think.
Yes, it was my first venture into the Village but the Village is not the only place on Earth where like minded denizens can be found. By that, I mean that Thursday was not the first time I had ever seen a Tranvestite, Transgender, Gay or Bi person so your assumption that I was lost is incorrect although I will freely admit that some of the terminology was strange to my ears.
As for your comment about having some difficulty in seeing how or what I base my original posting on, have you misunderstood the post?
It was supposed to be asking if there was a difference in the way that a cheating husband and a cheating half of a gay partnership were treated on SH, not in the community at large. I only asked the question because there have been many comments made about what rotton twats cheating husbands are but NONE that I could find about any other type of partnership. This just seemed strange to me so I asked, not realising how much of a hornets nest it would stir up.
On the the next point......
That sounds as though you are telling me to get off the site.
If that's true, and not being the type to push my nose in where it isn't wanted, I'll pack my bags and push off.
You are right though. There are other sites with a social flavour to them but this is probably one of the better ones with meets all over the country.
Re your last point above, I think that may have been a reply to somebody else because I don't think I have ever mentioned anything about doing that.
(Blatantly stolen from another web site)
Subject: EARLY RETIREMENT
It is important for men to remember, that as women grow older it becomes
harder for them to maintain the same quality of housekeeping as when
they were younger. When you notice this, try not to yell at them. Some
are oversensitive and there is nothing worse than an oversensitive
woman.
My name is John. Let me relate how I handled the situation with my
wife, Sue. When I was laid off from my consulting job and took "early
retirement" in April, it became necessary for Sue to get a full-time
job, both for extra income and for the health benefits that we needed.
Shortly after she started working I noticed she was beginning to show
her age. I usually get home from the Golf Course about the same time she
gets home from work. Although she knows how hungry I am, she almost
always says she has to rest for half an hour or so before she starts
dinner. I don't yell at her. Instead, I tell her to take her time and
just wake me when she gets dinner on the table. I generally have lunch
in the Men's Grill at the club so eating out is not reasonable. I'm
ready for some home cooked grub when I hit that door...
She used to do the dishes as soon as we finished eating. But now, it's
not unusual for them to sit on the table for several hours after dinner.
I do what I can by diplomatically reminding her several times each
evening that they won't clean themselves. I know she appreciates this,
as it does seem to motivate her to get them done before she goes to bed.
I really think my old business as a consultant helps a lot. I consider
telling people what they ought to do one of my strong points...
And speaking of bed, her age really shows up there. I go out and golf
all day, come in dead tired and after a two hour nap and a good meal,
I'm ready, if you know what I mean. Age has caught her so bad that she
actually dozes off during lovemaking. But that's okay. Her satisfaction
in that area is important to a sensitive guy like me and if she enjoys
sleeping during our little trysts, what the hey…
Now that she has become older, she does seem to get tired so much more
quickly. Our washer and dryer are in the basement. Sometimes she says
she just can't make another trip down those steps. I don't make a big
issue of this; as she finishes up the laundry the next evening, I'm
willing to overlook it. Not only that, but unless I need something
ironed to wear to the Monday lodge meeting, or to Wednesday's or
Saturday's poker club, or to Tuesday's or Thursday's bowling, or
something like that, I will tell her to wait until the next evening to
do the ironing. This gives her a little more time to do some of those
odds and ends like shampooing the dog, vacuuming or dusting.
Also, if I had a really good day on the course and it was wet and muddy
my clubs are a mess, so I let her clean them, you know... get the grit
off the grips and a little light Brillo on the club faces at a casual
pace. My golf bag is heavy so I lift it out of the trunk for her. Women
are delicate, have weak wrists and can't lift heavy stuff as well as
men. But I did tell her I don't like to be wakened during my after golf
nap, so rather then bother me, she can put them back in the trunk when
she's finished.
Another symptom of aging is complaining, I think. For example, she will
say that it is difficult for her to find time to pay the monthly bills
during her lunch hour. But boys, we take em for better or worse, so I
just smile and offer encouragement. I tell her to stretch it out over
two or even three days. That way she won't have to rush so much.
I also remind her that missing lunch completely now and then wouldn't
hurt her any (if you know what I mean). I like to think tact is one of
my strong points.
When doing simple jobs, she seems to think she needs more rest periods.
She had to take a break when she was only half finished mowing the yard.
I try not to make a scene.
I'm a fair man. I tell her to fix herself a nice, big, cold glass of
freshly squeezed lemonade and just sit for a while. And, as long as she
is making one for herself, she may as well make one for me too, then
take her break by my hammock. That way she can talk with me until I fall
asleep.
I know that I probably look like a saint in the way I support Sue. I'm
not saying that showing this much consideration is easy. Many men will
find it difficult. Some will find it impossible! Nobody knows better
than I do, how frustrating women get as they get older.
However, guys, even if you just use a little more tact and less
criticism of your aging wife because of this article, I will consider
that writing it was well worthwhile. After all, we are put on this earth
to help each other... Signed, Paul
EDITOR'S NOTE: John died suddenly Thursday, Oct 3. He was found with a
Callaway extra long 50 inch Big Bertha Driver rammed up his rectum with
only 2 inches of grip showing. His wife Sue was arrested, but the Grand
Jury accepted her defence that he accidentally sat on it, and she was
released on Friday, Oct 4.
Subject: EARLY RETIREMENT
It is important for men to remember, that as women grow older it becomes
harder for them to maintain the same quality of housekeeping as when
they were younger. When you notice this, try not to yell at them. Some
are oversensitive and there is nothing worse than an oversensitive
woman.
My name is John. Let me relate how I handled the situation with my
wife, Sue. When I was laid off from my consulting job and took "early
retirement" in April, it became necessary for Sue to get a full-time
job, both for extra income and for the health benefits that we needed.
Shortly after she started working I noticed she was beginning to show
her age. I usually get home from the Golf Course about the same time she
gets home from work. Although she knows how hungry I am, she almost
always says she has to rest for half an hour or so before she starts
dinner. I don't yell at her. Instead, I tell her to take her time and
just wake me when she gets dinner on the table. I generally have lunch
in the Men's Grill at the club so eating out is not reasonable. I'm
ready for some home cooked grub when I hit that door...
She used to do the dishes as soon as we finished eating. But now, it's
not unusual for them to sit on the table for several hours after dinner.
I do what I can by diplomatically reminding her several times each
evening that they won't clean themselves. I know she appreciates this,
as it does seem to motivate her to get them done before she goes to bed.
I really think my old business as a consultant helps a lot. I consider
telling people what they ought to do one of my strong points...
And speaking of bed, her age really shows up there. I go out and golf
all day, come in dead tired and after a two hour nap and a good meal,
I'm ready, if you know what I mean. Age has caught her so bad that she
actually dozes off during lovemaking. But that's okay. Her satisfaction
in that area is important to a sensitive guy like me and if she enjoys
sleeping during our little trysts, what the hey…
Now that she has become older, she does seem to get tired so much more
quickly. Our washer and dryer are in the basement. Sometimes she says
she just can't make another trip down those steps. I don't make a big
issue of this; as she finishes up the laundry the next evening, I'm
willing to overlook it. Not only that, but unless I need something
ironed to wear to the Monday lodge meeting, or to Wednesday's or
Saturday's poker club, or to Tuesday's or Thursday's bowling, or
something like that, I will tell her to wait until the next evening to
do the ironing. This gives her a little more time to do some of those
odds and ends like shampooing the dog, vacuuming or dusting.
Also, if I had a really good day on the course and it was wet and muddy
my clubs are a mess, so I let her clean them, you know... get the grit
off the grips and a little light Brillo on the club faces at a casual
pace. My golf bag is heavy so I lift it out of the trunk for her. Women
are delicate, have weak wrists and can't lift heavy stuff as well as
men. But I did tell her I don't like to be wakened during my after golf
nap, so rather then bother me, she can put them back in the trunk when
she's finished.
Another symptom of aging is complaining, I think. For example, she will
say that it is difficult for her to find time to pay the monthly bills
during her lunch hour. But boys, we take em for better or worse, so I
just smile and offer encouragement. I tell her to stretch it out over
two or even three days. That way she won't have to rush so much.
I also remind her that missing lunch completely now and then wouldn't
hurt her any (if you know what I mean). I like to think tact is one of
my strong points.
When doing simple jobs, she seems to think she needs more rest periods.
She had to take a break when she was only half finished mowing the yard.
I try not to make a scene.
I'm a fair man. I tell her to fix herself a nice, big, cold glass of
freshly squeezed lemonade and just sit for a while. And, as long as she
is making one for herself, she may as well make one for me too, then
take her break by my hammock. That way she can talk with me until I fall
asleep.
I know that I probably look like a saint in the way I support Sue. I'm
not saying that showing this much consideration is easy. Many men will
find it difficult. Some will find it impossible! Nobody knows better
than I do, how frustrating women get as they get older.
However, guys, even if you just use a little more tact and less
criticism of your aging wife because of this article, I will consider
that writing it was well worthwhile. After all, we are put on this earth
to help each other... Signed, Paul
EDITOR'S NOTE: John died suddenly Thursday, Oct 3. He was found with a
Callaway extra long 50 inch Big Bertha Driver rammed up his rectum with
only 2 inches of grip showing. His wife Sue was arrested, but the Grand
Jury accepted her defence that he accidentally sat on it, and she was
released on Friday, Oct 4.
Quote by MikeNorth
I've just seen this, and I'm puzzled at to what you are getting at Parrot, and why you are calling it a "bitch" when it's supposedly against something that you don't seem to be sure exists.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that but a "Bitch" about something would be a conversation with a moaning type of tone to it
It's interesting that you don't talk about someone cheating by having sex with someone else other than their partner, but "participating in SH".
OK, I'll hold my hand up and admit that I worded that bit wrong. What I SHOULD have said instead of "participating in SH" is "Playing away matches".
Mike.
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What is the point of this Parrot?
Has someone questioned if your wife knows you look at swingers sites on your PC in the shed? Or is it after you spent some time in the gay village in Manchester with a group of bi-sexual, transgendered gay and straight people and would like to know more?
;)
The point was maybe a bit obscure. In fact, I'm having a little trouble putting it into words myself.
I think I was trying to say that this SH site is so open and honest about people's sexuality and what turns them on with nobody saying.... "Oh, you freak. How could you even think of doing that?". Just live and let live as long as whatever you do is within the boundries set. Which is fine.
Then, on the other hand, there are campaigns going on all over the place to make it possible for Gay partners to get married, which is also fine.
BUT... whenever mention is made of cheating, it is ALWAYS married men that are castigated. No mention is ever made of cheating gays of either sex who may have been in a relationship for years. If there is going to be equality, as there should be, let's have it in all areas.
Nobody has questioned me about my wife. Why would they?
A couple of people on here know my situation and surely I would need to be an active swinger before wether my wife knows about me using this site would even be an issue.
As it happens, she does know about the site and that I am here. She also knows that I like meeting people in a social way which is something that she can't do.
Is there anything wrong with that?
Can I not be just a social swinger while flirting outrageously?
There were gay people and TVs in the Village?? OMG, I never noticed.
peenut... That was Groucho Marx
Swingers Bingo?
mmm, there's a novel idea.
How about winning a line means you get to pick anyone you like from the other players.
Winning the full house means you get covered in CHOKLIT and it gets licked off by....
Sorry, I got carried away there for a moment.
What was the question again? lol
Swingers Bingo?
mmm, there's a novel idea.
How about winning a line means you get to pick anyone you like from the other players.
Winning the full house means you get covered in CHOKLIT and it gets licked off by....
Sorry, I got carried away there for a moment.
What was the question again? lol
Without getting into the subject as such, I have seen quite a few posts on various threads where it has been suggested that married men, who's wives do not participate in SH or in some cases do not even know of their husbands involvement, are cheating and should therefore be horse-whipped.
What I have NOT seen are any such comments aimed at one half of a gay partnership.
Does that mean that gays of both sexes are allowed to cheat?
Obviously it doesn't mean that but I hope you , dear reader, can see the point I am trying to make.
What I have NOT seen are any such comments aimed at one half of a gay partnership.
Does that mean that gays of both sexes are allowed to cheat?
Obviously it doesn't mean that but I hope you , dear reader, can see the point I am trying to make.
Yes... You've got it.
I wasn't sure if my comments about Bingo had been forthright enough to be noticed.
OK, maybe you wanted serious answers so here goes......
The ideal club for ME would have 4 rooms.
1 for meeting people and having a chat including a bar area.
1 for sauna, showers and toilet facilities.
1 would be pitch black with special air-lock type doors so it stayed black when people came in. (that's my own fantasy, lol)
1 large room sectioned off into seperate bedrooms with beds big enough for 2, 3, 4, 5 or more players.
I wasn't sure if my comments about Bingo had been forthright enough to be noticed.
OK, maybe you wanted serious answers so here goes......
The ideal club for ME would have 4 rooms.
1 for meeting people and having a chat including a bar area.
1 for sauna, showers and toilet facilities.
1 would be pitch black with special air-lock type doors so it stayed black when people came in. (that's my own fantasy, lol)
1 large room sectioned off into seperate bedrooms with beds big enough for 2, 3, 4, 5 or more players.
What would be your ideal swinging club?
One with Bingo
What would you like to see in it?
Bingo
What are the most important things to you?
Comfy seats... (for playing Bingo)
The room sizes and how many?
About the size of Gala Bingo
The bar and seating area
With loudspeakers for the Bingo
Wet room as in Jacuzzi, saunas, showers.
With waterproof Bingo tickets
Nice décor.
That would be nice.
Distance you would travel.
5 miles
Staying over facilities
Food,drinks, etc.
Free would be nice
Good entrance price.
Enough to mean you were serious but not so much the club is just greedy
Friendly, Clean.
A club would not survive if it wasn't friendly and clean. The clientele would just arrange to meet elsewhere
Good toilet facilities(especially for women)
Not just for male fantacies then?
ps... Don't forget the Bingo.
One with Bingo
What would you like to see in it?
Bingo
What are the most important things to you?
Comfy seats... (for playing Bingo)
The room sizes and how many?
About the size of Gala Bingo
The bar and seating area
With loudspeakers for the Bingo
Wet room as in Jacuzzi, saunas, showers.
With waterproof Bingo tickets
Nice décor.
That would be nice.
Distance you would travel.
5 miles
Staying over facilities
Food,drinks, etc.
Free would be nice
Good entrance price.
Enough to mean you were serious but not so much the club is just greedy
Friendly, Clean.
A club would not survive if it wasn't friendly and clean. The clientele would just arrange to meet elsewhere
Good toilet facilities(especially for women)
Not just for male fantacies then?
ps... Don't forget the Bingo.
Quote by O. K.
What is the matter with the Human race? their relentless pursuit of pleasure, and sex, workaholics have an obsession and compulsion to do all the work in the world during one lifetime, alcoholics try to drink all the worlds stock at once, smokers are intent on using all the tobacco at one go, Millionaires have a determination to be multi multi billionaires, money they couldn't possibly spend, after all, we are only here for three score years and ten, IF WE ARE VERY LUCKY!!!
I'm sorry but that post is so depressing.
What is the point of getting out of bed in the morning?
Should I just top myself now?
And if it's so bad to chase things, why are you on this site with your nekkid ass in view?
We went to Mexico a few years ago so things may have changed slightly.
We flew to Puerto Vallarta with a stop in Orlando for fuel. We were not allowed out of a holding room beneath the main building to go shopping in Duty free there because we did not have US visas, so be aware of that.
We stayed in a 5 star all inclusive which sounds expensive but it wasn't really. If I remember right it was £450 each for the whole holiday (2 weeks)
As for Desire itself, what is it?
A town, a resort?
We flew to Puerto Vallarta with a stop in Orlando for fuel. We were not allowed out of a holding room beneath the main building to go shopping in Duty free there because we did not have US visas, so be aware of that.
We stayed in a 5 star all inclusive which sounds expensive but it wasn't really. If I remember right it was £450 each for the whole holiday (2 weeks)
As for Desire itself, what is it?
A town, a resort?
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
is there any room left in here - our first time in the forums in a fortnight and this thread is 8 pages long!
DOH!
We want to parrrrrty!
You crazy pair
you've already put your names down!Maybe they want to come twice??
If I can be of any assistance, just whistle. :lol:
:cheers: