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Quote by bluexxx
I think that what you said in the latter part of your post was honest (perhaps brutally so) and one that is contraversial for more reasons than you probably realised when you wrote it.
Anyway, I meant no offence to you, I was just responding in a factual way to a post that could have offended some people.
Blue,
I'm sorry I got upset with your response. I didn't mean to trivialise violence against women in any way. What I should probably have said is something along the lines of "for some men at least, non-sexual violence offends their sense of honour, but yet they seem willing to consider as a more acceptable alternative". I certainly didn't mean to condone that view, or portray it as acceptable. I must say that when writing my post, I had never for one moment assumed that anyone reading it could have had to deal with suggestions that violence against women does not exist or is not a problem, and for that reason I was a bit glib on the subject. This thread has been an education in that sense, and a somewhat shocking one.
The post was as you say, meant to be honest. I actually find it hard to believe that there is a single person reading this list who hasn't "dreamt" about commiting a non-consensual violent act (whether sexual or not) against someone at some point in their life. I've deliberately not used the word "fantasy" because that has a implication of sexual arrousal, that I made clear was not relevant in this case. What matters is how you react to that impulse - in my case I realised it was a sick response, and discarded it.
Why did I own up to this? Because I wanted to back up the point that isn't sexy, and I don't see any point on denying that all of us occasionally have sick thoughts. And because I hoped to encourage other people to honestly examine their own emotions.
I think if you knew me, you'd think that I was probably one of the least likely guys to indulge in actual that you'd ever met, and you'd be right (I hope!).
To move on to the subject of domination inspired sexual fantasies, I'm totally out of my area of expertise here as they simply don't turn me on. However, I doubt that there's a link between such fantasies and genuine - I would imagine what really turns a dominant person on is that the submissive is willing to consent to such treatment. I'd be happy to be educated on that subject too.
Mark.
Quote by bluexxx
Mfromr, your opinion is misguided at best, or at least mis-educated. Many men do take out their anger on women by beating them up - take domestic violent as a good example. Further, studies show that both men and women take their frustrations out on members of both sexes by using physical aggression (in a variety of situations).
As Mandy1964 says, isn't so much about sex, it's a about violence.
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OK, stop right there. Just one question. Did you actually read my post all the way through before responding to it?
No, I thought not. If you had, you would have realised that the whole post was supporting the argument that is an act of violence, and not of sex.
Just to make it clear, I totally agree with all the points you made in your post. I just object to being portrayed as on the opposite side to such a reasonable position...
Quote by mattmoleman
You may need to add onto the poll though. What about women who use two fingers? Don't penetrate but rub?
I've added a new option...
I'd like to know the results on this one.
Agreed. And if any women get too carried away to be sure what they're doing, I'm willing to come along and watch for them.
All in the interests of science, of course...
Quote by Mandy_1964
Indeed. isn't about sex at all, it's about violence and non-consensuality.
Mandy
As a guy, if you get really hacked off with a guy, you feel like beating him up. That's not an option with a women, so 's an (equally illegal) alternative.
I did once get so upset with a woman that I actually started imagining her - it took several months to get me to that state, and I'm glad to say that I almost instantly realised that it was a pretty sick thing even to imagine.
But I can confirm that it wasn't sexy in the slightest - the motivation was to get my own back in the cruelest possible way. I switched to imagining ever more painful ways to murder her instead, which is, I believe, more socially acceptable.
Needless to say, I didn't carry out any of my plans. Ignoring her worked much better...
M.
Quote by sandie
Interesting point though where is Rachel? she appears to have given up and gone away and is not fighting for her documentary.
She has made no valid counter argument at all.
This I fear proves we are correct.
I think you're right. She was looking for some people to help her make a titilating program, while moralising about how terrible it all was. Once she realised we understood what she was up to she decided to go elsewhere. What would be really good would be a program on swinging that didn't show any film, and just discussed the issues seriously.
It's all a bit like Chris Tarrant's occasional programs saying how terrible foreign TV is because they show pictures of female breasts to large audiences, and here's some clips for you all to look at just to prove it...
M.
Quote by sandie
If Rachel wants to investigate she should be clever and mingle into
swinger society then she will not be seen as the outsider.
Go on Rachel have the guts and go to a swingers club and a dogger
location and see for yourself.
I though they called this Investigative undercover journalism.
I hope you weren't suggesting that she should go along just as an observer - I think that's the last thing most people in this forum would want.
If she wants to "get her kit off" and get stuck-in (I guess she'd have to wear a strap on...) that would be a different matter. Is it too much to hope for a documentary with the introduction:
"I'd never tried swinging before, but for the purposes of this programme I gave it a try, and God I've never come so often in my life..."
Yes, probably.
Quote by KitKat
Daughters wedding, other daughter is bridesmaid; 'hi dad, this is my boyfriend from uni', 'umm, we have already met!'
I guess we're all scared of bumping into someone we met through the "scene". But the boyfriend in question would probably be MUCH more embarrased about admiting any connection than you would.
Just pretend you've never met them...
